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c0rbin
10th October 2003, 12:31 PM
You know....I can't help but wonder what effect byond resolve something like "a single day of horror" (http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/10/cheney.terror/index.html) would provide America, the land of coming together to kick the ***** out of our enemies.

I am no hawk, but just imagine the backlash something like this would create.

Makes me wonder if rationality is even on the radar of anyone who would perpetrate this at any level.

If these people would would simply come to america (legally) their future and their family could take part in the freedom and prosperity herein.

Mr Manifesto
10th October 2003, 02:35 PM
You would have to have room for about 3 billion people, roughly the amount of people who are oppressed or impoverished, if not both.

In any case, some people would prefer freedom and prosperity in their own country. Bit of a concept?

Charlie Monoxide
10th October 2003, 02:53 PM
Spin spin spin ....

Charlie (nuff said) Monoxide

c0rbin
10th October 2003, 02:58 PM
freedom and prosperity in their own country. Bit of a concept?

You mean the warlords who run their territories won't allow freedom and prosperity?

Mr Manifesto
10th October 2003, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by c0rbin


You mean the warlords who run their territories won't allow freedom and prosperity?

I could explain to you what's happening with warlords in 3rd world countries. But you seem to have already made up your mind.

crocodile deathroll
11th October 2003, 06:54 AM
I would not shed a tear if Bush gets mauled to death by a bear. But I would shed a tear for the US when Cheney takes over.

Garrette
11th October 2003, 07:26 AM
By Mr Manifesto:

I could explain to you what's happening with warlords in 3rd world countries. But you seem to have already made up your mind.

Unlike you? Who are wisely withholding judgment? Reviewing all materials without bias? Holding all countries to the same standard?

P.S.A.
11th October 2003, 08:51 AM
You mean the warlords who run their territories won't allow freedom and prosperity?

And raping women with guns with barrels sharpened to a point? Oh wait, that's the warlords we supported in Afghanistan. My mistake. Time for that HRW report again.

http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/07/afghan072903.htm

Interestingly, I'm reading reports of conflict between them now, as they struggle to take advantage of the West's distraction in Iraq. But that's tomorrow's story. Let's just stay with yesterdays, which we can actually quantifiably examine...

"I am no hawk, but just imagine the backlash something like this would create.

Makes me wonder if rationality is even on the radar of anyone who would perpetrate this at any level."

This is what people like Osama Bin Laden want. How many times must this be explained to you?

Compared to yourself, Osama is actually the rational one; he knows he can rely upon a big ugly irrational American response to any terrorist act. Bush, Rumsfeld et all will make sure of that. He knows that this response will unite more and more strands of Islam against America, and isolate the US from ever more of even it's closest allies. And he knows, like all good guerilla's do, that if he fights where America can't deploy it's strengths (it's economic appeal, it's freedoms) but only where America is weak (it's morality, it's ability to understand the patriotism of others) he can't possibly be beaten.
The US has 150,000 troops tied down in Iraq now, even though the US is not as hated there as it could yet be; another day of horror, another jingoistic adventure, more hatred, more troops bogged down... oh yeah, bring it on is Osama's response.

Come on, there's hundreds of books on Terrorism available to read, many written by the terrorists themselves. The disproportinate military response, which gives you ever more sympathetic bases to strike from, to trigger ever larger responses... it's classic terrorist tactics; "the land of coming together to kick the ***** out of our enemies" doesn't beat terrorists, it creates them, it creates a base for them in the hearts of anyone who sees the strong kicking the s**t out of the weak.

Do you actually know what Al Queda translates as? And if so, do you realise what it is referring to? I'll give you a clue. It's not a physical location. Go ahead. Invade whatever countries you've got enough troops left to invade. Al Queda operates on the assumption that you'll come forward to attack them... because it thrives upon what you leave behind you.