Is this T-Shirt offensive?

[godofpie]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_22792483c9db647923.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=12374)

My 13 year old daughter wore this shirt to school today and she said a lot of people thought it was offensive. I was with her when she bought this a couple of days ago at Plato's Closet, a local thrift store, and when she first asked if she could get it I said no because I really didn't want her wearing a Jesus shirt, but I thought about it for a few minutes then told her she could get it. I should mention that I am trying to let my daughter make up her own mind about religion. I think she believes in a god but not necessarily a religion. I would be interested in hearing from christians if they find this shirt offensive, and if so, what specifically. If anyone has questions for my daughter I can pass them on to her.

[1337m4n]

Well I don't consider myself Christian anymore, but I was raised Christian. I can tell you that I saw many people at the religious youth group I used to attend wearing this. I don't see anything offensive about it.


EDIT: Of course I should also tell you that doesn't mean much coming from me, because I don't get offended nearly as easily as most people (for instance, I laugh at racist/sexist jokes).

[Fnord]

Is this T-Shirt offensive?


Not to me, but I know a few people at church who would imagine otherwise. I'd wear one to a session meeting, just to 'rattle' a few of the other, more hung-up elders. Does it come in blue and XL?

:D

FYI: I am a Christian, an elder in the Presbyterian church, and I find radical religionism much more offensive than your daughter's tee-shirt.

[grayman]

Maybe they were offended because we all know Jesus has blond hair and blue eyes:
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_9246483ca8714b216.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=12375)

Got this from an email that asked, "Do you believe that the word God should stay in American culture?".

[Rufo]

My sister once wanted to get one that said "Satan is my homie". So... would that be offensive to Satanists?

[Wowbagger]

Being someone's "homeboy" is a good thing, right? So why would Christians be offended by a T-shirt that declares Jesus as their homeboy?

I happen to be a "Weird Al" fan, and yet I am NOT offended by this:

http://www.weirdal.com/mimages/homeboyteefull.jpg


In fact, I think someone should make "Randi is my Homeboy" T-shirts! That would be cool!

[korenyx]

I'm more offended by the shirts that have a hand nailed to a piece of wood with blood spurting out.

[articulett]

Randi IS my homeboy.

[bokonon]

Maybe it's offensive because "homeboy" implies a peer-to-peer relationship?

I'm neither a Christian nor a homeboy, just thinking out loud.

[The Man]

Randi IS my homeboy.


But do you have that on a T-shirt, and where can I get one?

[The Man]

Maybe it's offensive because "homeboy" implies a peer-to-peer relationship?

I'm neither a Christian nor a homeboy, just thinking out loud.

Not necessarily, it just refers to someone from your neighborhood, of some association or someone you admire.

But an assumed peer to peer aspect or just the language used in describing the association might be considered belittling and offensive to some. Not to me, but I doubt my sisters would like it.

I am also just thinking out loud

ETA: At least it doesn't look like he is giving any gang signs

[articulett]

But do you have that on a T-shirt, and where can I get one?

No. But maybe I'll get it tattooed on my ass during TAM...
(maybe "Randi is my home slice" would be better?)

hmmm...

[blobru]

Maybe it's offensive because "homeboy" implies a peer-to-peer relationship?...

It's 'gangsta' slang too I think, originally, so that might offend some people, for different reasons, and especially those with a crown of thorns up their butt.

One could always shop at Jesus' closet and buy a "Plato is my homeboy" t-shirt, see how many of the school's philosophers (chess club, stoners, burnouts, vegans) that ticks off...

[articulett]

I don't think "Darwin is my Homeboy" would tick off a single Scientist-- but I'm sure Christians would find a way to be offended.

[pchams]

I'll bet it's one of those 50/50 cotton/poly blends.
I'm more offended by that. ;)

Offended religious people really offend my reasonability.

[grayman]

How about a rebuttal shirt that says, "JESUS IS A CRACKER"?



Or would that offend Catholics and the South?

[articulett]

Yeah... isn't there something in the bible about not mixing fabrics...?

Ah, but Jesus over rides all that old testament stuff anyhow.

I wonder if Christians would be offended if you quoted the more X-rated bible stuff on a t-shirt-- the Lot story, dung eating and so forth, stoning adulterers...


Maybe we should tell upset Christians to go "beget themselves". :D?

[DoubtingStephen]

If there is something that is the opposite of being a Christian, that is what I want to be. There is my bias.

With that said, I see no reason why anyone should take offense at this shirt. Since God is imaginary in the first place, why not imagine him as being just as one wishes him to be. That does seem to be de riguer.

I think your daughter should feel free, if she is so inclined, to tell anyone who complains that her Jeebus can beat up their Jeebus, so they better watch what they say.

[articulett]

How about a rebuttal shirt that says, "JESUS IS A CRACKER"?



Or would that offend Catholics and the South?

I don't know... but I like it. It's catchy.
"JC is a Honky"-- not as provocative, you know?

Maybe for Catholics you could have something like, "I've had Jesus in my mouth" ?

(I don't think I have a knack for t-shirt slogans, but it would make for a fun thread.)

[rhtufts]

Here are some funny t shirts...

www dot atheists-online.com/catalog.asp

(You are only allowed to post URLs to websites after you have made 15 posts or more.) GAH!

[rhtufts]

oops double post...

[articulett]

The forum is stuttering...

[arthwollipot]

Yeah. Should have seen the stutter it did to me on one of the other threads.

[I Ratant]

I would consider the message inappropriate for a secular school.
And possibly provocative by intent.
And tee-shirts in my day were never seen in school except on the athletic field, certainly never in a classroom.
But standards have decayed to coddle the least apt members of the school's students, lest they feel (which they are) less qualified than those who are actually learning things at school.

[The Man]

No. But maybe I'll get it tattooed on my ass during TAM...
(maybe "Randi is my home slice" would be better?)

hmmm...

Either way, I wish that I could be there to see it.

[articulett]

Sure... arth...
blame technology for your own failings...
:p

[1337m4n]

How about a rebuttal shirt that says, "JESUS IS A CRACKER"?



Or would that offend Catholics and the South?

How about "Da J-Man be down wit da sheeznat, fo rizzle yos!"

[articulett]

Either way, I wish that I could be there to see it.

Maybe I should put it up for the TAM auction...

I have a feeling this might be one of those things that go for $666--

[Darth Rotor]

I don't think "Darwin is my Homeboy" would tick off a single Scientist-- but I'm sure Christians would find a way to be offended.

Darwin isn't to Scientists what Jesus is to Christians.

There have been many, many fine scientists, but there was only one Jesus Christ. (You can debate "did Jesus exist" elsewhere, for the purposes of this thread, the tshirt, Jesus was.)

Try again on the analogy, that one didn't work.

DR

[articulett]

Sure... arth...
blame technology for your own failings...
:p

It's only when you "own" the problem that you can begin to fix it.

[Wowbagger]

Jesus is my B.H., Moe Foe!

[articulett]

Here are some funny t shirts...

www dot atheists-online.com/catalog.asp

(You are only allowed to post URLs to websites after you have made 15 posts or more.) GAH!

I hadn't seen this one before-- I like it. I've had theists voice their displeasure at my Darwin Fish. (They do offend easily.)

[godofpie]

I would consider the message inappropriate for a secular school.
And possibly provocative by intent.
And tee-shirts in my day were never seen in school except on the athletic field, certainly never in a classroom.
But standards have decayed to coddle the least apt members of the school's students, lest they feel (which they are) less qualified than those who are actually learning things at school.

The reason I changed my mind and let her get the shirt is because I thought it was provocative also. I like the idea of a black jesus. Shake up the peckerwoods. To this day I have not seen a lot of aryans come out of the middle east. So do you think it would be more appropriate in a parochial school?

[DoubtingStephen]

The reason I changed my mind and let her get the shirt is because I thought it was provocative also. I like the idea of a black jesus. Shake up the peckerwoods. To this day I have not seen a lot of aryans come out of the middle east. So do you think it would be more appropriate in a parochial school?

I bet there are plenty of black Jesii displayed on crucifixes in African churches, I figure if a black Jesus is good enough for the motherland of humanity, it's good enough for the United States of Jesus.

If the reason some people were offended by her shirt was that they perceived this instance of fairy tale deity to be of African descent, well, good for her offending those particular people.

Based on my experiences in a Catholic school, she'd be ill advised to wear it there, the Catholic Church is much more protective of their logos, copyrights, trademarks and marketing material than most other Jeebus industry corporations. They are really into control, a lot, quite a bit.

[articulett]

I'd like a Rastafarian Jesus with dreadlocks.

[temporalillusion]

I know people that would find it offensive if a non-Christian wore it.

These ones might be a bit more offensive :D

http://www.pennyarcademerch.com/apparel1.html

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-34640480252896_2000_2704212

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-34640480252896_2000_3146600

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-34640480252896_2000_3749401

[articulett]

Blame Grayman for alerting me to (and making me laugh at) this one:

[Morrigan]

Not offensive, just stupid.

[volatile]

I have a 'Mary is My Homegirl' shirt - go, Coredemptrix, go!

[JWideman]

Offensive to racists, maybe.

[ponderingturtle]

The reason I changed my mind and let her get the shirt is because I thought it was provocative also. I like the idea of a black jesus. Shake up the peckerwoods. To this day I have not seen a lot of aryans come out of the middle east. So do you think it would be more appropriate in a parochial school?

Well if memory serves there where a lot of people in the past who felt the correct placement of the orrigional nation of israel was in europe.

This was largely based off of nationalism and racism though.

[ponderingturtle]

I bet there are plenty of black Jesii displayed on crucifixes in African churches, I figure if a black Jesus is good enough for the motherland of humanity, it's good enough for the United States of Jesus.

Actualy even in etheopian and coptic churches jesus and angels tend to be lighter skined.

This makes sense when you understand that everywhere light skin was associated with high status, becuase it ment that you where not working under the sun all day.

[Horatius]

...well, good for her offending those particular people.





Ditto. Who cares if it's offensive? When did we grant the right to not be offended, anyways?

Offensensitivity (http://bp1.blogger.com/_fPc79NHkMHw/RpfwZVKTcZI/AAAAAAAAANg/QiQKdnFWjEk/s1600-h/Bloom+County_Offensensitivity.gif). Get over it.

[I Ratant]

The reason I changed my mind and let her get the shirt is because I thought it was provocative also. I like the idea of a black jesus. Shake up the peckerwoods. To this day I have not seen a lot of aryans come out of the middle east. So do you think it would be more appropriate in a parochial school?
.
More acceptable, but still preachy.
I was with my ladyfriend who is quite outspoken when at a church social function she told one of the waiters, a young lad, that he had a nice "booty". He had no idea what she talking about. He'd never been exposed to "street" language.
The peckerheads around here wouldn't be bright enough to understand the home-boy tee-shirt anyway.
A couple of the local "aryans" were walking at the Mall with "ausrotten" written on their SS costumes. I talked to Mall Security, and these trash were expelled, and haven't returned.
Freedom of expression is still limited to not shouting "Fire" in a theater.
Inciting passions can lead to trouble.

[blobru]

... If anyone has questions for my daughter I can pass them on to her.

Did anyone say why he or she was offended? Or was it more like: "that's sooo offensive," then walk away...

The most obvious reason, to me, an atheist, would be the association of Jesus with rap culture, the perception of ridicule (though as others have pointed out, Jesus is constantly being reimagined within the adopting culture, as he was in the Northern European, into a sort of vacant blue-eyed, silky auburn-tressed, smooth vanilla-skinned, waifish runway model / dreamy teen idol, Tiger Beat Jesus). The africanized Jesus I suspect might rub a few 'traditionalists' the wrong way, though no one's ever going to cop to that. Maybe Jesus' face worn at chest level, mixing sacred and 'profane', in the puritan sense? Maybe they don't know what "homeboy" means, and assume from the pink color it's somehow homoerotic, but Jesus' gate doesn't swing that way? (or any way -- too bad, 'cause Jesus really has it goin' on! psst... if your gate hinges are rusty, try a little oil, JC.)

Anyway, not to get her in trouble or anything; just curious if any of the offended parties volunteered why?

[Lanzy]

I don't know any public schools that would not find this offensive.
It is NOT offensive but schools tend to rush to protect ANYONE that MIGHT be offended by almost anything. Since a lot of parents seem to run around trying to be offended, I'm sure one of them would be, therefore the school must protect them from thoughts not their own at all times.

[Fnord]

Ooo ... I know! I know!

The tee-shirt does not have a union label, and thus only members of the Union of Needltrades, Industrial and Textile Employees (http://www.google.com/search?q=look+for+the+union+label&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGLR) will be offended.

Remember to look for the union label!

(not)

[jj]

Not to me, but I know a few people at church who would imagine otherwise.

Bicameral board?

[The Mutha]

My daughter bought a TShirt at Wet Seal the other day that says "Jesus is the new black"... I thought it was funny, myself. She's a non-believer as well.

[Fnord]

Bicameral board?


No, we meet in only one chamber, although we have 9 committees. I chair the Health, Safety, and Security committee, and am also on the Worship, Personel, and Building & Grounds committees.

Some of the people are of the type that condemn the Harry Potter series, Proctor & Gamble, and "all o'them dunjin an draggin games".

I just gotta get that shirt!

[blobru]

Darwin isn't to Scientists what Jesus is to Christians.

Good thing. 'Holiness' would bring science to a screeching halt.

There have been many, many fine scientists, but there was only one Jesus Christ. (You can debate "did Jesus exist" elsewhere, for the purposes of this thread, the tshirt, Jesus was.)

But Jesus was a Christian, one of many, many fine Christians (so they say).

Try again on the analogy, that one didn't work.

Well, I suppose Darwin to science is more like Francis of Assisi to Xtianity.
Maybe, umm...: "Copernicus is my homeboy"? :boggled:

[articulett]

The analogy worked for all but those who suck at analogies. :)

[Furi]

I quite like the

Front : Jesus Loves You...

Back : Who Cares
Back : He's not "in" love with you
Back : not in the gay priest way
Back : HA HA . Psych.
Back : Yeah Right.
Back : (pic finger and thumb held very close together) but only this much.
Back : Because/When you Horny / Like it rough / talk dirty / swallow / (well the rest are pretty much against forum rules and along the same lines)
Back : My other T-Shirt is an Athiest

I did have a whole load of truly offensive T-shirts not just aimed at theists but anyone who could be offended (some so offensive I almost thought for more than a microsecond before buying them) of a very graphic hardcore violence/sexual nature. The only people that had the balls to tell me they were offended offended was my wife (as the dirty pix weren't of her/us/friends) and some bloke on a train who spoke up because he believed I was offending his girlfriend, when asked she didn't mind at all

[Upchurch]

You haven't seen offensive t-shirts until you've seen offensive baby t-shirts (http://www.tshirthell.com/babyhell.shtml).

[Wowbagger]

You know, it occurs to me that the word "My" is underlined on the shirt, perhaps indicated implying that Jesus is not your homeboy, he's only my homebody. Perhaps

"Jesus is my homeboy"(with underline) is more offensive than "Jesus is my homeboy"(no underline). Could that be it?

[joobz]

We've received this baby gift multiple times now.

http://www.flyingpeas.com/us-dad.html

I'm starting to think my friends and family are sending me a message, and it offends me.:D

[Fnord]

But Jesus was a Christian, one of many, many fine Christians (so they say).


No, Jesus was a Jew - his followers are Christians.

[I Ratant]

No, Jesus was a Jew - his followers are Christians.
.
And look how well that turned out!
Just a simple Messiah trying to follow the law, and boy, did his followers get it wrong!

[Fnord]

And look how well that turned out! Just a simple Messiah trying to follow the law, and boy, did his followers get it wrong!


A nice, Jewish boy associating with prostitutes, tax collectors, hot-heads, and cowards, who ended his life by hanging around with a couple of thieves.

(Hmm ... does anyone else smell burning sulphur, or is it just me?)

[grayman]

A nice, Jewish boy associating with prostitutes, tax collectors, hot-heads, and cowards, who ended his life by hanging around with a couple of thieves.

(Hmm ... does anyone else smell burning sulphur, or is it just me?)

Ignore the sulphuric smell. Just sit beside me in this hand basket and hold tight. We're in for a helluva ride. :stone028:

[fuelair]

Yeah... isn't there something in the bible about not mixing fabrics...?

Ah, but Jesus over rides all that old testament stuff anyhow.

I wonder if Christians would be offended if you quoted the more X-rated bible stuff on a t-shirt-- the Lot story, dung eating and so forth, stoning adulterers...


Maybe we should tell upset Christians to go "beget themselves". :D?

I did that. They looked confused. We were in a mall in New Port Richey.

[fuelair]

I would consider the message inappropriate for a secular school.
And possibly provocative by intent.
And tee-shirts in my day were never seen in school except on the athletic field, certainly never in a classroom.
But standards have decayed to coddle the least apt members of the school's students, lest they feel (which they are) less qualified than those who are actually learning things at school.
Why yes, yes you are certainly correct on your last paragraph!!!:)

[articulett]

A nice, Jewish boy associating with prostitutes, tax collectors, hot-heads, and cowards, who ended his life by hanging around with a couple of thieves.



Per his dad's premeditated murderous atonement plan as I recall.

[blobru]

No, Jesus was a Jew - his followers are Christians.


He's a Jew until He announces His new church:
And I tell you that you are Peter. On this rock I will build My church. The powers of hell will not be able to have power over My church.
-- Matthew 16:18 (NLV)


thereafter, He's founder and leader of a new religion, which will become Christianity, whose basic creed He defines and follows (presumably).

That is, unless founders aren't included in the movements they found, in which case Abraham wasn't a Jew, Muhammad wasn't a Muslim, Plato wasn't a Platonist, Marx wasn't a Marxist, Groucho wasn't a Marx Brother, and the Founding Fathers weren't American, which seems... more than a bit odd. :)

[Nogbad]

Blame Grayman for alerting me to (and making me laugh at) this one:

Now that one I can see raising an eyebrow :D

The OP one is I think supposed to be a "hip" Christian thing and therefore not originally intended to offend Christians. Wouldn't happen here as it have to be under the blouse and school tie on pain of being sent to the headmaster for a "discussion" about the school dress code. My daughter has her last exam next week and intends to have a tie burning ceremony.

[Fnord]

... He's founder and leader of a new religion ... That is, unless founders aren't included in the movements they found, in which case ...

I am a founder of a new youth group, and I'm 51 years old. I also helped found a new gaming club for college students a full decade after graduation. So it is possible to be a founder without being a member.

Besides, even though Jesus founded the religion that bears His name, in order to be a member of that religion, He would have to have believed in Himself as the redeemer of His own sins, for it is written that Jesus became "the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him" (Hebrews 5:9).

Jesus did not obey (or worship) Himself, but His Father - the God of Abraham, Moses, and David. He was also descended from Jews (through His mother) and observed Jewish laws and holidays; all of which makes Jesus Christ Jew.

So, He was a nice, Jewish boy who loved His mother and obeyed His Father, and who also founded a Jewish sect that bears His name to this day.

(This belief got me invited to leave more than one fundie church, btw.)

[TragicMonkey]

It's highly offensive because it's an example of the patriarchy rewriting herstory!

Everyone knows Jesus was a woman!

[Ladewig]

No, Jesus was a Jew .

Yes, but only on His mother's side.

. . . . .
Joking aside, I agree with your position.

[blobru]

I am a founder of a new youth group, and I'm 51 years old. I also helped found a new gaming club for college students a full decade after graduation. So it is possible to be a founder without being a member.

Groups and clubs... are those 'movements' (as in ideologies: ways of thinking, of being)? Sort of, but not quite (by my definition at least). One of the ways a group becomes an ideological movement is when its leader, founder, or both are considered distinct and perfect sources of knowledge. If either the youth group or gaming club ever elevate you to that status and begin calling themselves "Fnordists", I doubt they'll refuse you permanent membership in absentia. ;)

Besides, even though Jesus founded the religion that bears His name, in order to be a member of that religion, He would have to have believed in Himself as the redeemer of His own sins, for it is written that Jesus became "the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him" (Hebrews 5:9).

Jesus did not obey (or worship) Himself, but His Father - the God of Abraham, Moses, and David. He was also descended from Jews (through His mother) and observed Jewish laws and holidays; all of which makes Jesus Christ Jew.

I don't disagree that Jesus was a Jew; the historical Jesus may have been a Zealot (Jewish rebel) against the Romans. But once Paul and the various Gospel writers get through with Him, he's J. Christ, anti-Jew. Gospel Jesus and Historical Jesus may not have much more in common that a name.

Was Historical Jesus a Christian (in the "deliberate originator of the movement and creed" sense)? Seems a very long shot from what I've read. So let's agree Historical Jesus was a Jew alone. Is Gospel Jesus, Christ, a Jew? Ok. Should we also say Christ is Christian? It seems bizarre to deny him [posthumous?] membership in His own religion, just to avoid the paradox of Christ being his own follower. (Applied elsewhere, this would mean, technically, Hitler wasn't a Nazi; I think the Nuremberg judges threw that defense out.) So for just this once I number myself among the orthodox, in proclaiming Christ Christian. :halo:

So, He was a nice, Jewish boy who loved His mother and obeyed His Father, and who also founded a Jewish sect that bears His name to this day.

(This belief got me invited to leave more than one fundie church, btw.)

:scared: Yowza! No wonder. Probably have the torch singe-marks and pitchfork lacerations to prove it, right? :D (seriously, that takes some chutzpah. historical J would be proud). :cool:

It's highly offensive because it's an example of the patriarchy rewriting herstory!

Everyone knows Jesus was a woman!


Not to mention Joseph-ine, the Three Wise Women (two of whom gave perfume, c'mon!), and the Holy Ghost-ess. And that bitch, Judy-as. Little backstabber! Rumor has it the Romans got a lot more than directions for their 30 pieces of silver, m-mm... :covereyes

[six7s]

If there is something that is the opposite of being a Christian, that is what I want to be. There is my bias.

Oh yes, I think so

dDxAsZ7N81s

[Kotatsu]

That is, unless founders aren't included in the movements they found, in which case Abraham wasn't a Jew, Muhammad wasn't a Muslim, Plato wasn't a Platonist, Marx wasn't a Marxist, Groucho wasn't a Marx Brother, and the Founding Fathers weren't American, which seems... more than a bit odd. :)

Incidentally, I have a t-shirt with a picture of Marx and the text, "I am not a Marxist". Supposedly --- and sloth so domineers me that fact-checking presently is out of the question --- this is an actual quote, said by the good Karl when he understood what students of his texts, calling themselves Marxists, were saying. Something along the lines of, "If this is what one is required to support if one is a Marxist, then I am not one."

[Kotatsu]

Rumor has it the Romans got a lot more than directions for their 30 pieces of silver, m-mm... :covereyes

Surely you mean the Rowomen?

[blobru]

Incidentally, I have a t-shirt with a picture of Marx and the text, "I am not a Marxist". Supposedly --- and sloth so domineers me that fact-checking presently is out of the question --- this is an actual quote, said by the good Karl when he understood what students of his texts, calling themselves Marxists, were saying. Something along the lines of, "If this is what one is required to support if one is a Marxist, then I am not one."

Well, it must be every founder's prerogative to opt out, if the followers go astray... (wonder if Stalin ever got fed up with Stalinism? Mao with Maoism? W Bush with botulism?)

Surely you mean the Rowomen?

Jesusan Christine! you're right. Thanks for the guidance... I, I mean galdance... galdanielle_ce?... (herstory hard).

[fuelair]

Incidentally, I have a t-shirt with a picture of Marx and the text, "I am not a Marxist". Supposedly --- and sloth so domineers me that fact-checking presently is out of the question --- this is an actual quote, said by the good Karl when he understood what students of his texts, calling themselves Marxists, were saying. Something along the lines of, "If this is what one is required to support if one is a Marxist, then I am not one."

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/letters/90_08_05.htm


might help (Engels in 1890 quoting Marx from the 1870's - near end of first para.).:)

[Georg]

This thread is a good opportunity to post that t-shirt for a second time:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1565847e669988727f.jpg

Is it offensive? To be honest, I don´t care.

[DoubtingStephen]

This thread is a good opportunity to post that t-shirt for a second time:

Is it offensive? To be honest, I don´t care.

Since His eyes do not look blue and His hair is not even slightly blonde, yes, it is pretty offensive.

Besides, have a glance at the look on His face, it seems he might be some sort of a girly-man. Why do His eyebrows look so dark and perfectly shaped? Is this some sort of a queeny Jeebus? What brand of makeup would Jeebus wear?

[Kotatsu]

Well, it must be every founder's prerogative to opt out, if the followers go astray...

Meaning that if, at some point during history, Jesus found that the self-proclaimed Christians did no longer conform to the tenets of his ideology, he might have left this movement to join something else. The problem the become to establish if this has happened, with side-quests such as, "When?", "Why?" and, "What did he chose instead?".

Jesusan Christine! you're right. Thanks for the guidance... I, I mean galdance... galdanielle_ce?... (herstory hard).

Steady now! "Danielle", too, includes a "Dan", which could lead to infinite recursion!

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/letters/90_08_05.htm
might help (Engels in 1890 quoting Marx from the 1870's - near end of first para.).:)

Thank you. That seems to be along the lines of what it said on the place I got the t-shirt from.

[Georg]

Since His eyes do not look blue and His hair is not even slightly blonde, yes, it is pretty offensive.

But, but, but.......that would mean that Christians are racist! How dare you say that! You´ll burn in hell*!!!!

*May I get a place beside you there? No, I´m not gay, but even if your posts sometimes might be OTT a bit (which I understand regarding your situation), I do like your humor a lot. Since I´ve heard one will spend quite a long time in the fire, a neighbour who is funny and witty seems to be a good choice......

Besides, have a glance at the look on His face, it seems he might be some sort of a girly-man. Why do His eyebrows look so dark and perfectly shaped? Is this some sort of a queeny Jeebus? What brand of makeup would Jeebus wear?


I thought it was well known that he was gay or bisexual? Am I wrong? :confused:

[Ramblinnerd]

How about a rebuttal shirt that says, "JESUS IS A CRACKER"?

I always thought it would be fun to have a parody product shirt featuring: EuchaRitz: The body of Christ, now with a new buttery flavor

[pchams]

He's a great party guest, what, with all the wine making, good cross-section of society, and everything, but I wouldn't want him as host.
Too preachy. Plus, you'd never get any good bands.

[Loss Leader]

My 13 year old daughter wore this shirt to school today and she said a lot of people thought it was offensive.


I don't think it's offensive but I can certainly see how it might be disruptive of a middle school environment. I would side with school administrators who wouldn't want it worn in school. Outside of school, everybody can go eat it.

[Orangutan]

<Channel Fundi>

Why yes that's horribly offensive.

How dare >she< a >Woman< claim to have an intimate relationship with Jesus.
That's a mans job, the bible is quite clear on this.

If She'd shut up and listened to what her dad said in the first place there would have been no trouble.

</Channel Fundi>

Ugh, sorry, I always feel dirty after channeling the fundi spirit.

[dglas]

Nothing is offensive; people are offended. The responsibility for offense lies with the offended.

[six7s]

I always thought it would be fun to have a parody product shirt featuring: EuchaRitz: The body of Christ, now with a new buttery flavor

Bon appetite!

http://images36.fotki.com/v1180/photos/6/620487/2199655/icantbelieveIisnotjesus-vi.jpg
(http://public.fotki.com/six7s/)

:)

[grayman]

I don't smoke, but I'd wear this on a shirt:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_924645f8c06826379.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4589)

[DoubtingStephen]

I may have, you know just possibly, created an entire website just to ridicule ritual cannibalism using Jesus Wafers (http://jesuswafers.com/). The site even offers books (http://jesuswafers.com/?page_id=5) and barbecue sauces (http://jesuswafers.com/?page_id=6) for sale to help indoctrinate kids into the practice of ritual raw flesh consumption.

[articulett]

Nothing is offensive; people are offended. The responsibility for offense lies with the offended.

Up yours!

(just testing)

[grayman]

I may have, you know just possibly, created an entire website just to ridicule ritual cannibalism using Jesus Wafers (http://jesuswafers.com/). The site even offers books (http://jesuswafers.com/?page_id=5) and barbecue sauces (http://jesuswafers.com/?page_id=6) for sale to help indoctrinate kids into the practice of ritual raw flesh consumption.

Quick question about transubstantiation: Is it appropriate to eat BBQ pork in lieu of the flesh of a divine Jew?

[DoubtingStephen]

Quick question about transubstantiation: Is it appropriate to eat BBQ pork in lieu of the flesh of a divine Jew?

Not according to the Holy Roman Altar Boy Church, except as below:

In order for the transubstantiation spell to work when it is cast, an asexual male priest has to mumble the sooper-seekrit spell while holding wafer-thin wheat slices up before the adoring crowd. A gold lamé wrap-around helps. Then, if the priest has been sending the proper honorariums to Rome, the wheat thin literally and absolutely becomes raw Jesus' meat. Since it has just become meat there is no requirement for refrigeration until after the ceremony, and that's just the leftovers.

Persons who, like myself, suffer from celiac disease or who are otherwise unable to ingest wheat have repeatedly requested from the managers of their Holy Roman Regional Profit Centers (bishops, cardinals, etc.) that they be permitted to have Rice Chex instead of Wheat Thins during the ritual cannibalism ceremony. But nooooo. Apparently Jeebus never used gluten-free bread when serving his flesh to his clique, so tough autoimmune disease symptoms for those with celiac disease who are doubly afflicted with Catholicism as well.

But this raises an interesting question. If the Transubstantiation causes the literal change from wheat thin to Jesus meat, why is it that people with celiac disease suffer the cascade of autoimmune reactions that would normally only occur if they ate wheat? It's not as if the priest has time to marinate the Jesus wafers in soy sauce (most soy sauce contains wheat).

Pork is OK if the priest makes the necessary change in the target clause of the sooper-seekrit transubstantiation spell. I think it involves yelling BAM right at the end. But then he really has to bring home the bacon to the Regional Profit Center (diocese). That's why the second offering basket is used to collect the bacon/sausage surtax.

[blobru]

Quick question about transubstantiation: Is it appropriate to eat BBQ pork in lieu of the flesh of a divine Jew?

Don't listen to that heretic's ramblings, grayman.

That's a literalist interpretation of BBQ scriptures which no one takes seriously anymore.

This isn't the Stone Age you know, Mr Stephens.

As long as the pig wasn't circumsised on a Friday, (a prime-numbered Friday of course), it's a perfectly fine substitute for the flayed and gutted body of Christ.

... But this raises an interesting question. If the Transubstantiation causes the literal change from wheat thin to Jesus meat, why is it that people with celiac disease suffer the cascade of autoimmune reactions that would normally only occur if they ate wheat? It's not as if the priest has time to marinate the Jesus wafers in soy sauce (most soy sauce contains wheat). ...

O ye of little faith who are going to burn in hell forever for all your heresy... hi, Jesus loves you. :):):)

NOW, back to the heresy for which you are going to be tortured for all eternity: the Transubstantiated wheat thin is imbued with a divine essence that is unknowable to the body's cells but knowable and thus real to the body's mind and soul. For it is only the soul which transcends death that Jesus, who loves you, is concerned with. However, if you do anything ungodly with the body that Jesus couldn't give two ****s about before you die, He will toss you into a pit of sulfuric acid. Just so we're clear about that.

OK?

Amen.

[DoubtingStephen]

Sorry, I panicked.

[articulett]

I think the obvious solution to the why Jesus meat thins affect celiacs like wheat thins is that Jesus was NOT gluten free.

Praise be the glutenous one.

[DoubtingStephen]

Maybe he had Shredded Wheat for breakfast just before they started filming the S&M death march with crucifix scenes for that famous Fundamentalist-favored snuff film that the Uber-Catholic guy from down under made.

[Pardalis]

I'd like to have this (http://www.estrade.ca/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/jesusprice.jpg) T-shirt.

[blobru]

Sorry, I panicked.

(ok, exactly 5 days after i first tried posting this...) :eusa_pray:

Stephen, maybe this gospel song will help dispel your doubt and panic:

Last Picnic of the Transubstantiation -- ("BBQ Jesus")

Help me Lord, can't you see
I'm cravin' you so!
Just the taste, your sweet meat, on my tongue
And tell me Lord, can it be
You already know!
How I hunger, to know when you will come...

For we will all, eat Jesus, at God's, barbecue
His loins, and his rump, on the grill (sizzle he'll)
No mastercards, or visas; grab a plate, there's the queue
I love my Jesus, lightly seasoned, with dill (rood kill?)

So now Lord, the next course
Let's have some dessert!
A little yogurt, or custard, would be fine
Do you think, maybe Lord
You could give us a quart?
Not too much though, You don't wan't to go blind...

For we will all, lick Jesus, His thick, manna juice
You've never had pudding so fine, (it's divine!)
No other god, could please us, like Jesus, it's true
Creamy Jesus, drives us out of our minds (everytime)

Come on Lord, gettin' late
Won'tcha open a vein?
I'm so dry, need some wine, in my cup
Wassamatter, don'tcha like me?
I thought we were friends
Chrissakes buddy, here's a knife, open up...

For we will all (hic!) guzzle Jesus, vintage 33 AD
A very good year for mes-(hic!)-si---(hic!)-ahs (sigh)
I think your wine (hic!), and cheeses, are gettin' to me
Here's to Jesus, hey His brains taste like pie! ((hic!) waddaguy (hic... hoc... hup... :gasp: ...blaa-haha-haarrr!) ... ...hey look everybody, isn't that Jesus face?... (hic!))

[Thunder]

some people will find any reason they can to be offended.

[six7s]

some people will find any reason they can to be use any excuse to pretend that they're offended.

Fixed that for you :)