Psychology to Sociology

[waterwater]

I am 21 now and I did psychology but found it really hard, so withdrew, but I am probably going to change to sociology.

What I found really hard was the biology module and research methods especially spss, is there any of this in sociology.

I have a D in AS Psychology after retake
I have a C in A-Level Sociology.
I also have a B in GCSE Sociology

I did foundation maths before so I don’t want to waste any more time.

Also now I will get help with mild dyspraxia straight away.

Would I be able to Sociology I couldn’t do Psychology?

Or would i be better of getting a job.

I want to go universty for the degree and social life.

[Showmeproof]

Would you be able to do sociology and not psychology? That is tough to answer. I graduated with a BA and MA in psych, and am applying for my PhD in clinical psych. In reality, you cannot do much with a BA or MA in psych. You really need to go for a PhD. And your current grades do not place you in contention to get accepted to a doctoral program in psychology. This is me being extremely realistic and somewhat pessimistic.

Here is the optimistic side. If you work hard and bring up your grades, I see no reason why you cant do psychology. I agree that SPSS SUCKS. Though, SPSS is something that gives most people problems the first time they use it. You are not the only one. It is the type of program you just have to keep using. And no not despair about your C or D. When I first started out in my community college, I recieved a C and C+ in two psychology classes. I chalk this up to me being nervous about my first two semesters in college. Hell, my professor told the class that he actually failed his first psychology class that he took. So, do not give up THAT easily.

Another idea is this: if you want to work with the mental health population, you can do the BA in psych or sociology, and then go for your MA in social work. After you get an MSW, you have to work a certain amount of hours, and then you can take the licensing test to become an LCSW (License clinical social worker). Social work programs do not seem as difficult to get into than psych programs.

I cant tell you that sociology will be easier, and you will get better grades than you were getting in psychology classes. In the end, work hard toward your degree, but be realistic as to what goals you want.

[madurobob]

OK - I'm an MBA, so take this with a grain of salt. However, both parents are Ph.D. psychologists, as are my aunt & uncle on my father's side. My grandfather was a sociologist as was another uncle. Also, I coached my wife, a Ph.D. psychologist, through her dissertation.

I've always been surprised at the math requirements. My father was a math major until his senior year when he discovered psychology and the "fun" math in that department. I coached my wife through her bio-statistics courses and was her database manager for the SPSS requirements of her dissertation. I didn't do any of the "thinking" work, I simply manipulated the database and generated the charts, etc... based on her input. We both agreed that knowing how to use the software was not a value-add to her career.

I've not been involved in any Sociology doctorate work, but I'm sure many of the research methods and mathematical/statistical requirements are very similar. So, if you want to do either Psych or Sociology you're going to have to knuckle down and work hard to understand these core concepts. But, don't get lost in trying to understand tools like SPSS. Find a classmate with this aptitude and collaborate. Its just a tool and knowing how to manipulate it has no bearing on your understanding of the core concepts of the discipline.

What was the key driver in your poor AS-Psych grade even after retake? Was it an inability to work with SPSS, or was it a true lack of understanding of the concepts?

[Showmeproof]

OK - I'm an MBA, so take this with a grain of salt. However, both parents are Ph.D. psychologists, as are my aunt & uncle on my father's side. My grandfather was a sociologist as was another uncle. Also, I coached my wife, a Ph.D. psychologist, through her dissertation.

I've always been surprised at the math requirements. My father was a math major until his senior year when he discovered psychology and the "fun" math in that department. I coached my wife through her bio-statistics courses and was her database manager for the SPSS requirements of her dissertation. I didn't do any of the "thinking" work, I simply manipulated the database and generated the charts, etc... based on her input. We both agreed that knowing how to use the software was not a value-add to her career.

I've not been involved in any Sociology doctorate work, but I'm sure many of the research methods and mathematical/statistical requirements are very similar. So, if you want to do either Psych or Sociology you're going to have to knuckle down and work hard to understand these core concepts. But, don't get lost in trying to understand tools like SPSS. Find a classmate with this aptitude and collaborate. Its just a tool and knowing how to manipulate it has no bearing on your understanding of the core concepts of the discipline.

What was the key driver in your poor AS-Psych grade even after retake? Was it an inability to work with SPSS, or was it a true lack of understanding of the concepts?

Yeah, but if he wants to go for his MA or PhD in psychology, knowing SPSS is a necessity! I mean, you can collaborate with a classmate, but I would not rely on a classmate.

[madurobob]

Yeah, but if he wants to go for his MA or PhD in psychology, knowing SPSS is a necessity! I mean, you can collaborate with a classmate, but I would not rely on a classmate.
I'll defer to your expertise in this, but again point out that my wife earned her PhD without a strong SPSS skill-set.

Why is Psychology so wed to SPSS? Its just a stats program and not a very good one at that. I found myself double-checking key stats in my wife's dissertation with a spreadsheet. I can understand why it is important to know the ins and outs of statistics, but I cannot understand why knowledge of a specific stats program is important. I'd prefer students be able to run the calcs with pencil and paper and explain what the output means. The program is just a tool to make the pencil/paper bit faster and more accurate.

Why not SAS? Its waaaaay better.

[tkingdoll]

Guys, I don't think we're going to be talking about Masters or PHD at any point, not with a top grade of C at A level.

A and AS levels are the exams before a degree.

Waterwater, your A level results will get you onto a Sociology course at some universities, have you spoken to any? Sociology is considered a 'light' (e.g. non-academic) subject, and so is quite an easy course to get on to, and is often the one course readily available through the clearing process. It also has a high dropout rate. However, you should be aware that employers are generally quite dismissive of a Sociology degree, for those reasons (along with Media Studies).

But as you say you want the university experience, and you have already done A level Sociology, then that doesn't really matter. The social life is the same whichever subject you study.

Your A and AS level results aren't great, are those the only subjects you studied or do you have other A levels too?

I would say that yes, you will find Sociology easier. It doesn't have the same maths requirement and isn't really a science. Plus, from your results, you seemed to find it easier at A level, so I'd say if the subject interests you, go for it.

[Showmeproof]

I'll defer to your expertise in this, but again point out that my wife earned her PhD without a strong SPSS skill-set.

Why is Psychology so wed to SPSS? Its just a stats program and not a very good one at that. I found myself double-checking key stats in my wife's dissertation with a spreadsheet. I can understand why it is important to know the ins and outs of statistics, but I cannot understand why knowledge of a specific stats program is important. I'd prefer students be able to run the calcs with pencil and paper and explain what the output means. The program is just a tool to make the pencil/paper bit faster and more accurate.

Why not SAS? Its waaaaay better.

Well, I never dealth with SAS only SPSS.

Well, for my thesis, I had a sample size of 250 people. Try running all tests and calculating the results by hand. It would definitely SUCK! Bc this stats programs SAVES you TONS of time, so you don't have to do it by hand. And you do explain what the output means, by interpreting the results (the statistics)

I used SPSS extensively in my undergrad program, as well as my MA program. So, acquiring a strong understanding of SPSS was essential for my success in grad school. I assume SPSS is used a lot on the doctoral level.

It also depends where he applies. For example, if he applies to Stonybrook Universityor Temple University, there PhD programs are HIGHLY research based, and he will probably use SPSS A LOT!! Some schools are more clinical than research based, so the use of SPSS is not as essential. I can almost guarantee that your wife went to a school that was more clinical than research. Small private universities and professional schools of psych are usually geared more toward training you as a clinician, than as a researcher (though, you obviously do learn both). Big universities are geared more toward research, since they get tons of grants and funds, etc.

[tkingdoll]

Showmeproof, you're way off base. Waterwater is talking about applying for a BA in Sociology at a British University, and with his A level grades, it's not going to be one of the top ones, sadly.

Waterwater, a quick look at some of the unis (I just picked my local ones for speed), and the entry criteria varies wildly. Aston want BBB, but their Sociology BA is highly rated, whereas Birmingham City Uni say

A minimum tariff point offer is likely to be 220, excluding key skills. Applicants will be expected to have successfully completed a minimum of two subjects at A2 level, or two 6-units or one 12-unit VCE. Any remaining points can be made up with AS qualifications. Applications are welcome from students with a broad range of educational qualifications, including A-levels and equivalent courses, for example Access courses, GNVQ, BTEC etc.

With your Foundation in Maths and your other A levels, you would be fine for that, I'd say, particularly if you went through clearing.

[madurobob]

I would say that yes, you will find Sociology easier. It doesn't have the same maths requirement and isn't really a science.
Teek, that last bit... is it just your opinion or general consensus? I've always thought Sociology was one of the Social Sciences and was a "science" in that it relied on observation, experimentation, comparison and historical research, etc... Have I been wrong all these years?

[aggle-rithm]

OK - I'm an MBA, so take this with a grain of salt. However, both parents are Ph.D. psychologists

I'm so sorry.

[aggle-rithm]

Teek, that last bit... is it just your opinion or general consensus? I've always thought Sociology was one of the Social Sciences and was a "science" in that it relied on observation, experimentation, comparison and historical research, etc... Have I been wrong all these years?

It's certainly more of a science that clinical (as opposed to experimental) psychology, but it's not a "hard" science.

I still have my sociology textbook from college. It's interesting to go back and look at the things that it got completely wrong, such as an analysis of the Tasaday tribe (which turned out later to be a hoax).

[tkingdoll]

Teek, that last bit... is it just your opinion or general consensus? I've always thought Sociology was one of the Social Sciences and was a "science" in that it relied on observation, experimentation, comparison and historical research, etc... Have I been wrong all these years?

Controversial topic, I suppose. Some people don't even consider psychology a science, let alone sociology. First we have to define 'science', then we have to define sub-categories like physical science, social science, and so on, before we can come close to agreeing. But my knowledge of sociology courses at certain unis says to me "very little resemblance to anything I'd call science".

I mean, some people call offender profiling science, but others just call it elaborate guesswork. Heck, I have peers in marketing who call marketing a science. It uses observation, experimentation, comparison, historical research, analysis, so by that definition, they're right.

But if you said to any UK employer "I have a science degree. In Sociology." they would laugh you out of the interview room.

It uses scientific methods (a bit), yes, but does that make it a science itself? I don't think so.

Is there a difference between 'science' and 'a science'? We're likely to wander into a pointless semantics debate, which I can't be arsed with, so yeah, let's call it my opinion and leave the derail there :)

[madurobob]

I'm so sorry.
:) I thought that comment had slipped past without notice. I guess it just took a while to sink in. Suffice it to say that I've had enough psych evaluation to last a few lifetimes.

Is there a difference between 'science' and 'a science'? We're likely to wander into a pointless semantics debate, which I can't be arsed with, so yeah, let's call it my opinion and leave the derail there :)
Fair enough, I wasn't itching for an argument, just genuinely interested in the point (how un-jref of me!). How to define "science" and how it is applied is a topic I'm sure is covered elsewhere on the forums.

[tkingdoll]

Fair enough, I wasn't itching for an argument, just genuinely interested in the point (how un-jref of me!). How to define "science" and how it is applied is a topic I'm sure is covered elsewhere on the forums.

I'm pretty sure there's a long 'is psychology a science' thread from a few months back, I didn't read it but it's bound to cover most sides of the argument. Want to race for it?

[Showmeproof]

Showmeproof, you're way off base. Waterwater is talking about applying for a BA in Sociology at a British University, and with his A level grades, it's not going to be one of the top ones, sadly.

Waterwater, a quick look at some of the unis (I just picked my local ones for speed), and the entry criteria varies wildly. Aston want BBB, but their Sociology BA is highly rated, whereas Birmingham City Uni say



With your Foundation in Maths and your other A levels, you would be fine for that, I'd say, particularly if you went through clearing.

Well, I was thinking in the terms of the future, since you really cannot do anything with a BA in psychology. If you want to make psych your profession, you have to think that far in advance. It is not like computers or business, where you can earn a BA and make 90,000$ a year. That is why I told him to be realistic, bc if you he is not even earning A's or B's in undergrad, no way he is going to get accepted to a grad program.

[Showmeproof]

It's certainly more of a science that clinical (as opposed to experimental) psychology, but it's not a "hard" science.

I still have my sociology textbook from college. It's interesting to go back and look at the things that it got completely wrong, such as an analysis of the Tasaday tribe (which turned out later to be a hoax).

As far as I knew, sociology, psychology, philosophy, etc, were all consider social sciences. As for it being more of a science than clinical psychology, eh! But, neither of the three above are "hard" sciences.

[tkingdoll]

Well, I was thinking in the terms of the future, since you really cannot do anything with a BA in psychology. If you want to make psych your profession, you have to think that far in advance.

That is a fair point, I was just concerned the technical talk might put him off altogether.

[Showmeproof]

That is a fair point, I was just concerned the technical talk might put him off altogether.

That is true. Good point.

That is why I also offered social work as an alternative. Grad programs in social work are not nearly as difficult to get into as psychology.

[brodski]

As far as I knew, sociology, psychology, philosophy, etc, were all consider social sciences. As for it being more of a science than clinical psychology, eh! But, neither of the three above are "hard" sciences.

I wouldn't stick philosophy in there.
Science is a branch of philosophy*, but philosophy ain't science.
Economics may be a better fit there, except for those branches of economics which specifically disavow empirical testing and evidence.





*no I don't want another ten page thread about it :p

[Jeff Corey]

As far as I knew, sociology, psychology, philosophy, etc, were all consider social sciences. As for it being more of a science than clinical psychology, eh! But, neither of the three above are "hard" sciences.
Well behavioral psychology is a hard science. Compared to all those others, like physics and chemistry, which are relatively easy.

[Showmeproof]

Well behavioral psychology is a hard science. Compared to all those others, like physics and chemistry, which are relatively easy.


Would experimental psych be cosnidered a hard science?

[bpesta22]

Would experimental psych be cosnidered a hard science?

I think it's the hardest science only because the subject matter is difficult to study / gain control over and so it leads to advances and insights into how best to do science moreso perhaps than any other field of science has.

Just guessing, and I may be way off, but I'd suspect the field with the most advances in the logic of scientific discovery would be experimental psych.

That said, our knowledge pales in comparison to real sciences like physics, etc, but I think the average experimental psychologist is the best scientist in the world, though our best-- ironically-- are far worse than the best in the real sciences.

[drkitten]

Would experimental psych be cosnidered a hard science?

Not in any way, shape or form (IMHO). It's one of the worst offenders in terms of "let's ape the hard sciences by doing lots of math we don't understand and then reify the resulting numbers to near deific status." The accepted term for this is "physics envy."

IQ theorists are among the worst in this regard across all disciplines and all subdisciplines. (We have no idea what intelligence is, but if you use factor analysis and normalize so that the mean of the principle component is 100, you can publish it. Even if you make the data up.)

But this has very little to do with the topic at hand.

[bpesta22]

Not in any way, shape or form (IMHO). It's one of the worst offenders in terms of "let's ape the hard sciences by doing lots of math we don't understand and then reify the resulting numbers to near deific status." The accepted term for this is "physics envy."

IQ theorists are among the worst in this regard across all disciplines and all subdisciplines. (We have no idea what intelligence is, but if you use factor analysis and normalize so that the mean of the principle component is 100, you can publish it. Even if you make the data up.)

But this has very little to do with the topic at hand.


Obviously, reasonable people disagree here....:)

I wonder though why factor analysis is a scam when used for IQ research but not when used anywhere else? I also wonder who's not understanding the math.

I suspect even real hard scientists use factor analysis, and at least some people use it to reach scientific conclusions that make us feel warm and fuzzy too. It can't rain all the time.

[bpesta22]

Also, I wouldn't include IQ research (or individual differences research in general) in as the best example of experimental psychology. My earlier comments applied more to articles you'd see published in any of the APAs journals of experimental psychology.

[drkitten]

I wonder though why factor analysis is a scam when used for IQ research but not when used anywhere else? I also wonder who's not understanding the math.

It's a scam whereever the results of factor analysis are reified into an object of study.

It's also a scam whenever you fabricate data to make factors appear.


I suspect even real hard scientists use factor analysis,

All the time. It's one of the primary techniques that I use in my own research. The difference is between instrumentalism (which is justified) and realism (which is not). As soon as you tell me that you are studing "whatever it is that causes the decreased world-wide number of pirates amd the increase in global warming," having a priori determined that a single unique cause must exist, you have crossed the line.

[bpesta22]

a priori my ass. it's completely data driven. It could very easily be the case that mental abilities are not correlated (like with personality-- where some traits appear independent of other traits). It just so happens they are correlated in every data set ever published.

I'm reifying one factor of IQ just as much as personality theorists are reifying 5 factors of personality? The idea that a latent trait causes scores on a test is widely accepted in social science, even by people who have no interest in studying IQ. The idea that you can test a data set to see how many latent traits are needed to explain it is also widely accepted (and all the rage currently in social science).

When my colleague happily concludes that job satisfaction has three dimensions he's making the same logical inferences as I when concluding that IQ is one thing.

[tkingdoll]

Well, if anything will confirm waterwater's suspicion that he doesn't want to study Psychology, this thread is it :D

[Showmeproof]

Well, if anything will confirm waterwater's suspicion that he doesn't want to study Psychology, this thread is it :D


LOLOL!!!

Yeah, this thread is not shining a very good light on psychology. Either people are saying how hard it is to get into a psych grad program, and others are knocking experimental psych.

Waterwaters, stick to sociology :)

[aggle-rithm]

As for it being more of a science than clinical psychology, eh!

Last I checked, clinical psychology had more woo in it than all the UFO kooks combined.

Of course, you have to take into account all the unqualified goofballs who put up a shingle and "treat" patients.

[drkitten]

I'm reifying one factor of IQ just as much as personality theorists are reifying 5 factors of personality? The idea that a latent trait causes scores on a test is widely accepted in social science, even by people who have no interest in studying IQ. The idea that you can test a data set to see how many latent traits are needed to explain it is also widely accepted (and all the rage currently in social science).

And a better example of ill-founded "physics envy" I couldn't have hoped to be given.
IQ theorists are justified in their misuse of statistics because personality theorists do the same thing? It's all the range in social sciences to misuse statistics, therefore it must be accurate?


When my colleague happily concludes that job satisfaction has three dimensions he's making the same logical inferences as I when concluding that IQ is one thing.

And that is why psychology is not a hard science.

My lord, the Crown has no further questions for this witness -- and rests.

[bpesta22]

And a better example of ill-founded "physics envy" I couldn't have hoped to be given.
IQ theorists are justified in their misuse of statistics because personality theorists do the same thing? It's all the range in social sciences to misuse statistics, therefore it must be accurate?



And that is why psychology is not a hard science.

My lord, the Crown has no further questions for this witness -- and rests.

You're starting to sound larsen-like. I know you're better that that.

;)

[waterwater]

I have a D in A-level General Studies
I have a E in A-level Government and poltics.

I am now thinking of doing social work, but dont you need 6 months work exprince for that or is they any way round it.

Also is it likley bradford uni would have any places during clearing.

Without any qualifictaions or work exprinec there is not really many jobs i can do.

How much epxrince would i need for them to consider me for social work.
I am going to apply during clearing do you think there will be any places left.

Are placemnets during the course paid.

I think i would enjoy working with people and helping them out.

[Fiona]

Speaking as as social worker PLEASE do not do that, waterwater. You have no interest in the subject and your last sentence shows a level of naivety which takes my breath away.

If I am wrong and you are truly interested then go and get a job in a related field. Work at it and find out what social work is about. Try residential care homes for the elderly; for children or for the disabled. Try voluntary work like befriending troubled children or lonely elderly people. Do SOMETHING which shows you have an interest beyond your own needs. Such things on your CV will help you to get in if you find it is for you. But please do NOT go into social work from your current understanding. Even if they will take you (and they might, for they are desperate) it is unlikely to help you achieve your stated goals

[Showmeproof]

Last I checked, clinical psychology had more woo in it than all the UFO kooks combined.

Of course, you have to take into account all the unqualified goofballs who put up a shingle and "treat" patients.

Well, yeah. I definitely would not assign woo to ALL clinical psychologist, or use a stark generalization and say clinical psychology in general is woo.

And explain, how is it woo?

[Michelle Lyon]

Water; I feel your pain, man. In junior college I got straight A's in all my psychology classes, then I transfer to the 4-year and got straight F's. I think much of it was due to the hard transition, though, and not due to my ability to understand the material. The reason I think this is because I repeated some classes recently, and got B's the second time around. My college also allows replacement of old grades with the new for GPA calculating purposes (up to 20 units). Check and see if your college allows this, ask at your admissions office or ask your advisor.

If you have dyspraxia then you've got numerous strikes against you, even with the accomodations, it's still a nightmare with any learning disability, and it takes at least twice as long and tripple the effort as a normal student to get through school. There are a lot of people out there in all ranks who don't believe LD's exist so you have to deal with them, too. I have ADHD and it's horrible. But the trick to that is to keep trying. If anyone along the way tries to convince you to give up, tell them politely to go screw themselves. If you believe that you can be successfull then it makes no difference what anyone else believes. Retake classes, maybe retake them with different professors (they all have different styles), try different things.

Psychology does have a lot of math, but it's abstract math, it's different form linear math such as algebra. At my school they offer (well, they USED to offer) a statistics course designed for humanities majors. It focused on the aplications and the use of software more than on the mathematical processes, and tests were open-book. So look and see if your school has a class like that. Sociology doesn't involve quite as much math because they do more interpreting of research, rather than conducting it. If you decide to change majors, do your research first to see how many classes, if any, that you've already taken might transfer to the sociology department.

Nevermind the crap about needing perfect grades to get into grad school. That might be true for some schools where the programs are impacted and competition is fierce, but there are plenty who consider the entire package, not just the letters. You can explain your non-stellar marks in your admissions essay. If you have a learning disability and you've conquored it by earning your degree, that's a major bonus.

ETA: Jobs you can get with a BA in psychology. (http://www.psichi.org/pubs/articles/article_68.asp)

[waterwater]

Michelle Lyon - Thanks....The worst thing i worked really hard for my a-levels but didnt do very well and people think i didnt work hard at all.

So say i got a C A-level grad would you say it was equvilent to a A if i dint have dysprixia.

First I am not going to do social work now I don’t think I would enjoy going to peoples homes work with aggressive people etc, but I am still going to do sociology.

Also what should I say to the guy who at my junior school when I see him when I go there what shall I say I have being doing for the past 3 years, and what shall I say if he says why did you choose this uni, also shall I send him a message on facebook to tell him I am coming before I come.

Also I am really worried what to say to my friends and family failed maths they already no, failed psychology and now going to do soicology they will think I am crazy 3 years wasted, and in debt.

[Michelle Lyon]

Hmm, I'm not sure about the grades. A-level at my college is advanced-level, meaning taking graduate courses while still enrolled as an undergrad. Students with learning disabilities are not graded differently, because it's assumed that the students get accomodations at the disabilities office. So that's something better asked of your counselors, because every school is different.

You don't have to get into social work just because you major in sociology. That's a major where you will learn skills that can apply to a number of different fields.

As for people who would discourage you, just show them this thread. :) Anybody can go back to college if they want to, and there are lots of financial resources out there. Money is not as important as achieving a goal.

[Michelle Lyon]

Last I checked, clinical psychology had more woo in it than all the UFO kooks combined.


Yep. That's why I didn't want to work towards a BS. You know what BS stands for. :D

At my college they offer a BA and it's a general introduction to the major branches of psychology. It's at the Master's level when we choose a field such as social psych, cognitive psych, etc. All heavily researched-based here, no woo. (Unless one goes into the MFT program.)

[Showmeproof]

Michelle Lyon - Thanks....The worst thing i worked really hard for my a-levels but didnt do very well and people think i didnt work hard at all.

So say i got a C A-level grad would you say it was equvilent to a A if i dint have dysprixia.

First I am not going to do social work now I don’t think I would enjoy going to peoples homes work with aggressive people etc, but I am still going to do sociology.

Also what should I say to the guy who at my junior school when I see him when I go there what shall I say I have being doing for the past 3 years, and what shall I say if he says why did you choose this uni, also shall I send him a message on facebook to tell him I am coming before I come.

Also I am really worried what to say to my friends and family failed maths they already no, failed psychology and now going to do soicology they will think I am crazy 3 years wasted, and in debt.

If you think that everyone with a social work degree only goes to peoples homes, you are DEFINITELY mistaken. Now, I am not sure what you specifically want to do, but if you get an MSW and then get an LCSW, you can work in a psychiatric hospital, provide individual and/or group therapy, marriage/family therapy, work with addicts, and even have your own private practice. I am obviously not trying to force anything on you, but you DEFINITELY need to do more research before you start stating innacurate information.

[Showmeproof]

Yep. That's why I didn't want to work towards a BS. You know what BS stands for. :D

At my college they offer a BA and it's a general introduction to the major branches of psychology. It's at the Master's level when we choose a field such as social psych, cognitive psych, etc. All heavily researched-based here, no woo. (Unless one goes into the MFT program.)

:)

[waterwater]

If you think that everyone with a social work degree only goes to peoples homes, you are DEFINITELY mistaken. Now, I am not sure what you specifically want to do, but if you get an MSW and then get an LCSW, you can work in a psychiatric hospital, provide individual and/or group therapy, marriage/family therapy, work with addicts, and even have your own private practice. I am obviously not trying to force anything on you, but you DEFINITELY need to do more research before you start stating innacurate information.


What i thought is that you can work in hospital school etc but you laso have to go to people houses.

[Showmeproof]

What i thought is that you can work in hospital school etc but you laso have to go to people houses.

Um, no. You are not required to go to a persons house AT ALL. If you get a social work degree, and choose a job that requires you to visit peoples homes, then you will have to. For example, if you work for the Department of Family and Child Services, then you might be required to make house-calls in case of child abuse. If you choose to work in an academic setting or in a psychiatric hospital, house visits are not required.

[flim flam]

water water if you're planning on going to uni purely for the social life prepare to be disappointed. its not like the good old days of 2 hours of lectures then off to the pub for early doors. you will be taking on thousands of pounds
( you are in the uk i presume?) of debt and if you're studying sociology will effectively end up with a useless degree and no vocational qualifications or experience. honestly ,given your difficulties with dyspraxia, and that even working hard you only managed low grades at A-level you would be better off doing an apprenticeship or just getting a job for a few years until you work out what you want to do. sorry if this seems a bit negative but you did ask....