Ghosthunters miffed

[tiger]

It seems Jason and Grant are alittle pissed off about the Moss Brewery investigation! It seems they are claiming the Owner and the Chef didn't tell them about the place being rigged or so they say! It seems all the information about the restaurant is on the web and they openly talk about about it being rigged for ghostly non activity. One can only wonder just how much Jason and Grant knew considering Pilgrim films knew about the place being rigged so how is found so easily on the web and their film company knew and they didn't. I am just venturing a guess here but it seems the ghosthunters are out for publicity and some sympathy from the veiwers.

Below is taken from the Ghosthunters forum regarding what was known and should have been known. This guy is a ghost chaser and had talked with Pilgrim films before the ghosthunters even went there.

From Loyd Auerbach's MySpace Blog (with permission to repost from author).

Wednesday, June 04, 2008

A Visit Does Not an Investigation Make


I just got finished watching tonight's episode of GHOST HUNTERS on SciFi Channel. The second half of the episode was their "investigation" of the Moss Beach Distillery, and her long-time apparition, most often referred to the Blue Lady.

The episode did a great disservice to the restaurant, but more importantly, to the hundreds of people over the years who have experienced something paranormal/psychic at the Distillery since the early 1930s.

Keep that in mind – phenomena has been reported since the early 1930s, through multiple owners, including some who lived .., and through a complete teardown and rebuild in the late 1990s (for seismic retrofit).

No disrespect to Jason, Grant, Steve and Kris -- all very nice people --but "investigation" includes MUCH more than merely going to the place, checking it out, setting up tech, and reviewing the "evidence" caught (or not caught) by the tech.


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[tiger]

In all fairness heres Jason response grom the ghosthunters forum!


Response to Loyd Auerbach’s statements on Moss Beach!

I figured I would respond to most of Loyd Auerbachs letter on our investigation at Moss Beach seeing he posted his feelings on their web site.
Loyd claims he spoke with a producer at Pilgrim, I have checked this and can not find any person who spoke with him. I am in no way calling Loyd a liar, but I am not even sure this person who he states he talked to works or even worked for Pilgrim.
Even if someone was spoken to, it was never passed down the line about the place being rigged. 
It is not Pilgrims responsibility to inform us on that even if they were told, it is theirs "Moss Beach"!
He states a visit does not an investigation make, well that visit made the investigation. 
They did not inform us of the fakery going on and after that how can you truly trust anything you catch. 
Even if you caught a spirit on film, how do you know it is not some projector hidden somewhere else?
Nothing against Loyd, I like the guy. 
I would not be assisting places in faking paranormal activity though, like his statement says.
As for the place having so called paranormal activity since the 1930's, well at this point I wonder if any of the claims were even true, or was it just things that have been said to get people through the door?
As for us not doing enough research before the case, like we have always said, we wait till after the case so we do not contaminate ourselves with the claims, history or anything else of the case. 
Why read up on a place prior and find out so and so died in the back room and then go there and focus mostly on the back room?
Give the whole place a clean slate when you walk in!!
Go in uncontaminated!!
As for Loyd's statement about Grant getting hurt and it automatically making him not friendly to the place. 
We found the evidence before he got hurt so we already were not that friendly to the place! 
Not going to deny that!!
Nothing personal but Loyd seemed to be doing nothing but pushing his books with these statements. To each their own but I saw 3 to 4 things about his books in this letter.

Like I said, I like Loyd, we have talked as two people in the same field. We have debated as two people with two different styles of investigating and he has my respect.

That being said, I stand by my statement that Moss Beach had more then enough chances to tell us about the stuff they had rigged and chose not to! 

Who should have told us? Moss Beach should have told us!
As for stating "It's a show!
Yes it is Loyd, but it is a show about what we do and what we have been doing since around 1990. Just because it is on TV does not take away the truth of the investigation it just makes it appear a hell of a lot shorter then it really is!
We have investigated some places for 5 days straight just to see production turn it into a one night investigation for the TV show.
I honestly feel that Moss Beach barely deserved the time it took me to walk through the door after finding what we found.
We do tons of personal cases where people need our help Loyd, it is up to Scifi and Pilgrim to air them. That part is out of our hands.
You also state that we make more in one episode then you have made on your books,lol, you seem to have no idea what your talking about on that and I hope your books are a bit more accurate!


There is no leading authority in the field of the paranormal though many out there want to think they are.
That their words are the words that all other investigators should follow and live by.
Each person needs to be their own person.
Find what way works best for you when investigating and stick with it.
We all need to work together in this field. It is truly the only way it will get ahead.

I have nothing to hide so I am posting Loyd's statement here under my answers. 
I wish him the

[Denver]

From people I know who know Jason and Grant personally, they sound like nice people, and really do try to keep somewhat skeptical in their investigations. But I also get the impression that they have become more and more frustrated with the tv show that presents their activities, with the editing, and with the manipulation of their investigations.

When I have watched the show, I have seen many times where Jason and Grant are in a room, and being filmed by a cameraman. Then there is a movement or thump, and Jason and Grant immediately look toward the disturbance, which is somewhere toward the camera! Then after some editing, I see them asking "what was that?". And later discussing the event, note that "they" were the only ones in the room. I can only imagine the parts edited out: they ask the cameraman "Did you do that", and the cameraman emphatically denies anything, but is confident that the producers will be happy that he has pulled off yet another faked activity on the Ghosthunters.

And that's my opinion: the show itself, as noted above, is truly fiction, and in fact is being actively fudged, but not necessarily with the consent or full knowledge of TAPS. I expect part of their conflict, too, involves their contract, where they have given full editorial rights to the show, where they are restricted from talking much about its goings on, yet are quite happy still with the revenue stream.

[TheChadd]

I don't know what to make of TAPS, the two main guys do seem to genuinely desire to perform a good sceptical analysis (though they obviously fail... using EVP etc). There are a few members of their team however who I honestly think are just conspiracy theorist like teenagers that are in it for the excitement.

[tiger]

From people I know who know Jason and Grant personally, they sound like nice people, and really do try to keep somewhat skeptical in their investigations. But I also get the impression that they have become more and more frustrated with the tv show that presents their activities, with the editing, and with the manipulation of their investigations.

When I have watched the show, I have seen many times where Jason and Grant are in a room, and being filmed by a cameraman. Then there is a movement or thump, and Jason and Grant immediately look toward the disturbance, which is somewhere toward the camera! Then after some editing, I see them asking "what was that?". And later discussing the event, note that "they" were the only ones in the room. I can only imagine the parts edited out: they ask the cameraman "Did you do that", and the cameraman emphatically denies anything, but is confident that the producers will be happy that he has pulled off yet another faked activity on the Ghosthunters.

And that's my opinion: the show itself, as noted above, is truly fiction, and in fact is being actively fudged, but not necessarily with the consent or full knowledge of TAPS. I expect part of their conflict, too, involves their contract, where they have given full editorial rights to the show, where they are restricted from talking much about its goings on, yet are quite happy still with the revenue stream.


Well lets explore this alittle you have the opening of the investigation where Jason and Grant are talking about how well known this place is, the Moss Beach Distillery. They also talk about how other investigators in the Taps family have told them about this place. You have pilgrim films calling another investigator and he inquires whether they are aware of the rigged lights and stuff they say they are aware of it. Now the producers of the show for Pilrim films is with them on location during the investigation.

We also have Jason claiming they never look up information about the place till the investigation is over. Bull **** they done it a ton of times on the show so thats not at all true.

We have the producer for their show calling another investigator and tells that investigator he's aware of the riigged lights etc.

We have other taps family investigators giving them information about the place and what has gone on there.

If what Jason says is true he must have went into this investigation Deaf, Dumb, and Blind. And all these people just didn't bother to tell them, well thats alittle hard to swallow don't you think.

Heres video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJIdWvlktJI

[Beerina]

Keep that in mind – phenomena has been reported since the early 1930s, through multiple owners, including some who lived .., and through a complete teardown and rebuild in the late 1990s (for seismic retrofit).

This supports two theories:

1. Ghost infestation is particularly hardy.

2. Ghosts are some combination of fraud, imagination, and woo credulity, which also effortlessly skips a full rebuild.

[GreyICE]

I love how investigators that avoid biasing themselves are 'going into a situation blind.'

Hey, here's a good idea. Why don't we make sure that testers don't know the quality of what they're supposed to be testing. I mean they don't tell forensic testers 'he was high on coke, here, check the blood sample.' They test the sample for drugs, and report which ones they find.

If the team knows little/nothing about the place and finds activity similar to what was reported, without previous knowledge of that activity, it would be much more compelling evidence than if they observed a phenomena that everyone else reported, right?

Damn it, can anyone think of a good name for a study that involves the investigators going into it blind? We need a name for this novel method.

[tiger]

I love how investigators that avoid biasing themselves are 'going into a situation blind.'

Hey, here's a good idea. Why don't we make sure that testers don't know the quality of what they're supposed to be testing. I mean they don't tell forensic testers 'he was high on coke, here, check the blood sample.' They test the sample for drugs, and report which ones they find.

If the team knows little/nothing about the place and finds activity similar to what was reported, without previous knowledge of that activity, it would be much more compelling evidence than if they observed a phenomena that everyone else reported, right?

Damn it, can anyone think of a good name for a study that involves the investigators going into it blind? We need a name for this novel method.


Blind Ambition

[RSLancastr]

FYI, Sylvia Browne "investigated" the Moss Beach Distillery, and later "recreated" her investigation for Unsolved Mysteries. The rather useless video of this episode is available on YouTube.

[tiger]

FYI, Sylvia Browne "investigated" the Moss Beach Distillery, and later "recreated" her investigation for Unsolved Mysteries. The rather useless video of this episode is available on YouTube.

Well I'm sure she aleast went in deaf, dumb,and blind!

[EarlFaulk]

Shows like that are good for entertainment if your bored, honestly most of the time what they come up with is a sound off camera or another piece of dust or refracted light showing up as an "orb". My brother loves that particular show, I actually bought him a DVD set of the TAPS show for christmas

[Wolrab]

I've only seen an episode or two. One had them waving around some kind of multimeter. It was around a naked light bulb and old electrical wiring. They acted surprised they were getting a reading.

[Senex]

Tiger, I'm saying what your mom should have said "There Are No Such Things As Ghosts."

Jason and Grant may do some travelling but they don't prove anything. They are silly people. They try to prove there are ghosts --- but they will fail because there are no ghosts.

No ghosts -- ghiosts hunters are waisting their time.

[fuelair]

Well lets explore this alittle you have the opening of the investigation where Jason and Grant are talking about how well known this place is, the Moss Beach Distillery. They also talk about how other investigators in the Taps family have told them about this place. You have pilgrim films calling another investigator and he inquires whether they are aware of the rigged lights and stuff they say they are aware of it. Now the producers of the show for Pilrim films is with them on location during the investigation.

We also have Jason claiming they never look up information about the place till the investigation is over. Bull **** they done it a ton of times on the show so thats not at all true.

We have the producer for their show calling another investigator and tells that investigator he's aware of the riigged lights etc.

We have other taps family investigators giving them information about the place and what has gone on there.

If what Jason says is true he must have went into this investigation Deaf, Dumb, and Blind. And all these people just didn't bother to tell them, well thats alittle hard to swallow don't you think.

Heres video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJIdWvlktJI

[riotmode]CAN'T THEY ALL JUST GET ALONG!!![end riotmode/]

[tiger]

[riotmode]CAN'T THEY ALL JUST GET ALONG!!![end riotmode/]


Does appear according to Jason that some of his production crew and TAPS family members failed him.