Video Game as recruitment tools? Say what? [Archive]

mrbaracuda

8th June 2008, 04:50 PM

I think it is certainly true that the US army is using video games as recruitment tools and has been for some time. I wouldn't call it a conspiracy, because it is hardly a secret (http://www.goarmy.com/aarmy/index.jsp). I also don't think it can be called 'brainwashing'. Even though being able to playfight in a fake war without the risk of actual injury may be "glorifying war", it is rather unlikely that it will cause anyone to enlist who would otherwise never have. I bet there are plenty of people who enjoy that game who are not at all interested being shipped to Iraq for real, and the game is not going to change that.

Indeed! Interesting thing about America's Army (the game) though is you only play the American side.

Arus808

8th June 2008, 04:51 PM

mrbaracuda

8th June 2008, 04:52 PM

I know that my teenage son is looking to join an Orc Horde in an evil campaign to storm the Alliance stronghold at Darnassus....

Don't let him play too much, even if it hurts his "lvling"!

T.A.M.

8th June 2008, 04:52 PM

Yes and Judas Priest promotes suicide, and Dungeons and Dragons makes you think you can fly.

TAM:)

boloboffin

8th June 2008, 04:58 PM

As soon as the Army works out a way to actualize 1-Up mushrooms in real life, their video game advertising will become a smashing success.

DGM

8th June 2008, 04:58 PM

Video games are evil!!!!!!!! (as my 10 year old kicks my arse for the umpteen time)

theauthor

8th June 2008, 05:00 PM

Im still waiting for a single example of a truther actually claiming this.

Earthborn

8th June 2008, 05:08 PM

Indeed! Interesting thing about America's Army (the game) though is you only play the American side.Another interesting thing is that there is another game comissioned by the US army where you can only play the American side, and you can't lose! (http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/11/72156) Hurray, war is cool, and won't get you hurt at all! Take that lousily programmed artificially unintelligent enemies of America!

MarkyX

8th June 2008, 05:08 PM

I know that the military uses digital software to simulate a war environment but that's about all I know of it.

From what I understand, the video games are mainly used to promote teamwork and increase perception. Basically, be more aware of your surroundings. In an urban environment where hiding spots can be improvised, this is a good thing.

MarkyX

8th June 2008, 05:10 PM

Im still waiting for a single example of a truther actually claiming this.

Alex Jones did. There is an blog post on Prison Planet that says Battlefield 2 was an NWO-propaganda tool. Another blog post on PP also said the V-Tech massacre was the result of video games in our culture.

Brainache

8th June 2008, 05:11 PM

Im still waiting for a single example of a truther actually claiming this.

Well, there's your problem! Don't sit around waiting for others to do stuff for you, get up off your bottom and do something for yourself for a change!

Sword_Of_Truth

8th June 2008, 05:14 PM

I know that my teenage son is looking to join an Orc Horde in an evil campaign to storm the Alliance stronghold at Darnassus....

That's because your son and his hordie friends are all chicken$#!+s.

Why don't you tell him to attack a target that we care about and will actively defend? :p

MarkyX

8th June 2008, 05:19 PM

Alex Jones did. There is an blog post on Prison Planet that says Battlefield 2 was an NWO-propaganda tool. Another blog post on PP also said the V-Tech massacre was the result of video games in our culture.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/231105videogame.htm

"New Video Game where players 'fight FOR the new world order'

The popular video game Battlefield2 has a new expansion pack called "Special Forces" coming out soon. When the game comes out on November 22nd, players can look forward to fighting FOR the new world order! From the EA Games description:"

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/301105videogame.htm

"A new video game now available for X Box and PC depicts an apocalyptic vision of America after the year 2008 where terror attacks carried out by anti-government militias force the European Union to send in an occupying army."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/190407mindcontrolled.htm

"Deadly accuracy, disturbing revelations suggest outside involvement in VA Massacre, cocktail of brainwashing from prozac, violent video games contributed to carnage"

MarkyX

8th June 2008, 05:22 PM

Looks like theauthor doesn't even know his own movement. :(

theauthor

8th June 2008, 05:23 PM

Well, there's your problem! Don't sit around waiting for others to do stuff for you, get up off your bottom and do something for yourself for a change!

Ill remember that next time I make a claim and you ask me to back it up.

theauthor

8th June 2008, 05:24 PM

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/231105videogame.htm

"New Video Game where players 'fight FOR the new world order'

The popular video game Battlefield2 has a new expansion pack called "Special Forces" coming out soon. When the game comes out on November 22nd, players can look forward to fighting FOR the new world order! From the EA Games description:"

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/301105videogame.htm

"A new video game now available for X Box and PC depicts an apocalyptic vision of America after the year 2008 where terror attacks carried out by anti-government militias force the European Union to send in an occupying army."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/190407mindcontrolled.htm

"Deadly accuracy, disturbing revelations suggest outside involvement in VA Massacre, cocktail of brainwashing from prozac, violent video games contributed to carnage"

They are all prison planet. Is it just alex Jones then? any other truthers say this?

theauthor

8th June 2008, 05:25 PM

The opening post claimed:

I read CTers all the time say that video games are brainwashing the masses to recruit them from everything into the army to making them serial killers.

when in fact its just alex jones.

Garb

8th June 2008, 05:27 PM

The opening post claimed:

when in fact its just alex jones.

Anything to get your internet points eh?

MarkyX

8th June 2008, 05:27 PM

The opening post claimed:

when in fact its just alex jones.

You're telling me the movement doesn't follow Alex Jones? :boggled:

EventHorizon

8th June 2008, 05:29 PM

This is true, I saw it on an episode of Clerks the cartoon.

http://www.surfthechannel.com/tv/Clerks/95aea5f2b68ce0e459873d2f38a8bca8.html

theauthor

8th June 2008, 05:30 PM

You're telling me the movement doesn't follow Alex Jones? :boggled:

Do you have any other examples of a CTer claiming this? Yes or no?

theauthor

8th June 2008, 05:33 PM

You dont have to agree with everything alex jones says to agree with something he says. Just look at Frank Greening, he contributes to 911myths and is used as a debunker, does that mean you all agree with his conspiracy claims?

MarkyX

8th June 2008, 05:38 PM

Do you have any other examples of a CTer claiming this? Yes or no?

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/april2005/020405videogames.htm

"Another video game with NWO message in it, but this one is even more blatant and in your face than previous ones."

http://www.infowars.com/?p=401

"I Knew The Video Game Industry was trying To Pass Us Quiet Hints Since Assasin’s Creed Came Out, What Appeared As Anti Muslim Propaganda Was Actually A Subtle Tracing Of The Elite’s Roots From The Knights Templar. These Developers And Software Engineers Are Some Of the Frontline Truthers Against The NWO, And They Use The Profit Driven Video Game Industry To Guise Their Coded Messages To The Generations Who No Longer Read For Information, But Rather Draw All Their Knowledge From Mass Media."

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"So, the directors / CEOs of the big videogame companies get their storylines from the globalists?

There are a few videogame makers who are intent on exposing the crimes committed by PMCs and the west. Haze is one, where they give mercenaries of a PMC some sort of drug to make them function better and to make the real world seem as if it’s a videogame. (the drug also desensitises the violence) At a certain point, you become the enemy of the PMC and you’re suddenly bereft of the mind conditioning effects of the drug, and the violence becomes in-your-face.

Asassin’s Creed was also very peculiar with its whole eugenics/sci-fi storyline and its Third Crusades 1991-setting. It gets disregarded as stupid and far-fetched (like Eyes Wide Shut), but all the same it must have some grounding in reality.

And yes, I think this videogame is very disturbing. And I say that as a videogamer. They certainly had to get their script from someplace higher up."

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"I don’t think all games necessarily condition people, but the Call of Dutys, Command & Conquers and now this stick out like a sore thumb. In one Command & Conquer advertisement, they actually glamorise ‘carpet bombing’ as one of the features you have as commander in the game. That always rubbed me the wrong way."

A lot more in the comments.

You lose, again.

theauthor

8th June 2008, 05:41 PM

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/april2005/020405videogames.htm

"Another video game with NWO message in it, but this one is even more blatant and in your face than previous ones."

Ooops, look at this at the bottom "Thanks for all you do Alex and Paul."

Alex jones and paul watson. Try again. Find me a single person who ,akes this claim where it isnt originating from Alex Jones.

theauthor

8th June 2008, 05:43 PM

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/april2005/020405videogames.htm

"Another video game with NWO message in it, but this one is even more blatant and in your face than previous ones."

http://www.infowars.com/?p=401

"I Knew The Video Game Industry was trying To Pass Us Quiet Hints Since Assasin’s Creed Came Out, What Appeared As Anti Muslim Propaganda Was Actually A Subtle Tracing Of The Elite’s Roots From The Knights Templar. These Developers And Software Engineers Are Some Of the Frontline Truthers Against The NWO, And They Use The Profit Driven Video Game Industry To Guise Their Coded Messages To The Generations Who No Longer Read For Information, But Rather Draw All Their Knowledge From Mass Media."

"So, the directors / CEOs of the big videogame companies get their storylines from the globalists?

There are a few videogame makers who are intent on exposing the crimes committed by PMCs and the west. Haze is one, where they give mercenaries of a PMC some sort of drug to make them function better and to make the real world seem as if it’s a videogame. (the drug also desensitises the violence) At a certain point, you become the enemy of the PMC and you’re suddenly bereft of the mind conditioning effects of the drug, and the violence becomes in-your-face.

Asassin’s Creed was also very peculiar with its whole eugenics/sci-fi storyline and its Third Crusades 1991-setting. It gets disregarded as stupid and far-fetched (like Eyes Wide Shut), but all the same it must have some grounding in reality.

And yes, I think this videogame is very disturbing. And I say that as a videogamer. They certainly had to get their script from someplace higher up."

Oh dear, that second one is infowars. Anyone know who owns that site? Oh yes, its alex jones.

theauthor

8th June 2008, 05:44 PM

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/april2005/020405videogames.htm

"Another video game with NWO message in it, but this one is even more blatant and in your face than previous ones."

http://www.infowars.com/?p=401

"I Knew The Video Game Industry was trying To Pass Us Quiet Hints Since Assasin’s Creed Came Out, What Appeared As Anti Muslim Propaganda Was Actually A Subtle Tracing Of The Elite’s Roots From The Knights Templar. These Developers And Software Engineers Are Some Of the Frontline Truthers Against The NWO, And They Use The Profit Driven Video Game Industry To Guise Their Coded Messages To The Generations Who No Longer Read For Information, But Rather Draw All Their Knowledge From Mass Media."

"So, the directors / CEOs of the big videogame companies get their storylines from the globalists?

There are a few videogame makers who are intent on exposing the crimes committed by PMCs and the west. Haze is one, where they give mercenaries of a PMC some sort of drug to make them function better and to make the real world seem as if it’s a videogame. (the drug also desensitises the violence) At a certain point, you become the enemy of the PMC and you’re suddenly bereft of the mind conditioning effects of the drug, and the violence becomes in-your-face.

Asassin’s Creed was also very peculiar with its whole eugenics/sci-fi storyline and its Third Crusades 1991-setting. It gets disregarded as stupid and far-fetched (like Eyes Wide Shut), but all the same it must have some grounding in reality.

And yes, I think this videogame is very disturbing. And I say that as a videogamer. They certainly had to get their script from someplace higher up."

A lot more in the comments.

You lose, again.

I lose? Its the internet. If you really want to win then I concede. Enjoy your victory oh champion of the internet ROFL

theauthor

8th June 2008, 05:45 PM

gc051360

8th June 2008, 05:46 PM

Shift the goal posts much, theauthor?

Im still waiting for a single example of a truther actually claiming this.
Do you have any other examples of a CTer claiming this? Yes or no?
Find me a single person who ,akes this claim where it isnt originating from Alex Jones.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/nwo-propaganda-in-video-games-by-dwayne-holloway-part-3/3628592101

Dwayne Holloway. As per your request.

ETA: While looking for some examples, I found one person claiming that there was NWO propaganda in a dairy queen commercial.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread358466/pg1

Posted the link because I found it amusing.

Nobody have thoughts on this?
Yes. My thought is that you are trying to change the subject.

MarkyX

8th June 2008, 05:46 PM

Oh dear, that second one is infowars. Anyone know who owns that site? Oh yes, its alex jones.

Those are user comments, idiot.

theauthor

8th June 2008, 05:49 PM

Those are user comments, idiot.

Yes they are users commenting on Alex Jones idea.

I reported your abuse. Why cant debunkers have a debate without stuff like "You lose" and "idiot"?

gc051360

8th June 2008, 05:52 PM

Yes they are users commenting on Alex Jones idea.

Therefore they don't exist? WTF?

You wanted examples of conspiracy theorists who believed this crap...and now you're disqualifying them because they heard it from Alex Jones?

MarkyX

8th June 2008, 05:52 PM

Yes they are users commenting on Alex Jones idea.

I reported your abuse. Why cant debunkers have a debate without stuff like "You lose" and "idiot"?

Debate?

Usually a debate involves two sides shooting information at each other. However, you haven't provided anything that goes against my evidence. I already have shown you numerous sites that shows CTers who believe video games are part of the NWO. gc051360 has provided a video of this evidence as well.

What do you have? Nothing.

bynmdsue

8th June 2008, 05:54 PM

Yes they are users commenting on Alex Jones idea.

I reported your abuse. Why cant debunkers have a debate without stuff like "You lose" and "idiot"?

Because truthers are idiots who lose.

gc051360

8th June 2008, 05:55 PM

Debate?

Usually a debate involves two sides shooting information at each other. However, you haven't provided anything that goes against my evidence. I already have shown you numerous sites that shows CTers who believe video games are part of the NWO. gc051360 has provided a video of this evidence as well.

What do you have? Nothing.

He never claimed they didn't exist. He just demanded to be shown that they do exist. He was "just asking questions" that insinuated he didn't believe they existed. He never actually made the claim. Because, if he made a claim....he'd have to defend it.

Now that he has seen proof of these people's existence....I'm sure we can move on.

Have you been provided with enough proof, theauthor?

MarkyX

8th June 2008, 05:57 PM

He never claimed they didn't exist. He just demanded to be shown that they do exist. He was "just asking questions" that insinuated he didn't believe they existed. He never actually made the claim. Because, if he made a claim....he'd have to defend it.

Now that he has....I'm sure we can move on.

Have you been provided with enough proof, theauthor?

He is going to say no.

Million Dollars, Mr. Randi.

theauthor

8th June 2008, 05:57 PM

Debate?

Usually a debate involves two sides shooting information at each other. However, you haven't provided anything that goes against my evidence. I already have shown you numerous sites that shows CTers who believe video games are part of the NWO. gc051360 has provided a video of this evidence as well.

What do you have? Nothing.

You seem to have a thing about alex jones. All you can produce is his sites and his "fans" discussing his views on his sites. Are you dancing with the strawman again? Trying to attribute one nutty idea started by one guy to the whole truth movement?

abenja1

8th June 2008, 05:57 PM

Hey people thanks for the links. Yes the army does use video game combat simulations. But so far no CTer has provided evidence that these games are working in their recruitment. I guess the NWO has failed again awwwwwwww

gc051360

8th June 2008, 05:58 PM

You seem to have a thing about alex jones. All you can produce is his sites and his "fans" discussing his views on his sites. Are you dancing with the strawman again? Trying to attribute one nutty idea started by one guy to the whole truth movement?

Nobody attributed anything to the "whole truth movement", as far as I can tell.

eta: And I don't think that'd be a straw man, if someone did.

theauthor

8th June 2008, 05:59 PM

He is going to say no.

Million Dollars, Mr. Randi.

Bingo. I was going to say no. Looks like the champion of the internet has won again lol

theauthor

8th June 2008, 06:00 PM

Nobody attributed anything to the "whole truth movement", as far as I can tell.

Really? Well why did the internet champion try to claim earlier that the truth movement follows Alex Jones?

MarkyX

8th June 2008, 06:02 PM

Trying to attribute one nutty idea started by one guy to the whole truth movement?

User comments, nuff said. If they were against the idea, the posts would say otherwise.

abenja1

8th June 2008, 06:03 PM

Really? Well why did the internet champion try to claim earlier that the truth movement follows Alex Jones?

I have not seen one truther ever distance themselves from Alex Jones. Every truther website I've visited has links to his website, quotes, videos and vice versa.

Garb

8th June 2008, 06:05 PM

Really? Well why did the internet champion try to claim earlier that the truth movement follows Alex Jones?

Because a good number of them do.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/

theauthor

8th June 2008, 06:05 PM

User comments, nuff said. If they were against the idea, the posts would say otherwise.

So Alex Jones' fans agree with one of his ideas. How does that apply to the truth movement in general? What did you mean when you implied that the truth movement "follows" Alex Jones?

I can only assume that you follow the conspiracy ideas of Dr Frank Greening, who has written many debunking papers and is a contributor to 911myths.com.

You can't have it both ways sonny:)

theauthor

8th June 2008, 06:06 PM

I have not seen one truther ever distance themselves from Alex Jones. Every truther website I've visited has links to his website, quotes, videos and vice versa.

Stop lying. There are many truther sites that openly claim Alex Jones is disinfo.

defaultdotxbe

8th June 2008, 06:07 PM

You seem to have a thing about alex jones. All you can produce is his sites and his "fans" discussing his views on his sites. Are you dancing with the strawman again? Trying to attribute one nutty idea started by one guy to the whole truth movement?
so first you want a single person, this was provided, then you want a single person who isnt alex jones, this was also provided, now you want someone who isnt an alex jones fan? something tells me that anyone else will be dismissed as an "alex jones fan" even if it isnt explicitly stated in their words

BTW if your looking for a CTer who came up with an idea independent of another more prominent CTer like alex jones, your going to have a tough time, the entire truth movement is based on rehashing the ideas of about 10 people

Garb

8th June 2008, 06:07 PM

Stop lying. There are many truther sites that openly claim Alex Jones is disinfo.

And visa versa.

The point is that CTers have claimed video games are used to brainwash Americans. Isn't that the entire point of the thread?

gc051360

8th June 2008, 06:08 PM

So Alex Jones' fans agree with one of his ideas. How does that apply to the truth movement in general? What did you mean when you implied that the truth movement "follows" Alex Jones?

I can only assume that you follow the conspiracy ideas of Dr Frank Greening, who has written many debunking papers and is a contributor to 911myths.com.

You can't have it both ways sonny:)

He never claimed that the truth movement did follow alex jones. He asked a question:

You're telling me the movement doesn't follow Alex Jones?

eta:

The point is that CTers have claimed video games are used to brainwash Americans. Isn't that the entire point of the thread?
The point of the thread, yes. theauthor's goal is to change the subject.

abenja1

8th June 2008, 06:08 PM

Stop lying. There are many truther sites that openly claim Alex Jones is disinfo.

Yea whatever. And they are the same liars that claim all of Jones idiotic beliefs are true. NAU, NWO, video game conditioning.

theauthor

8th June 2008, 06:09 PM

I have not seen one truther ever distance themselves from Alex Jones. Every truther website I've visited has links to his website, quotes, videos and vice versa.

WingTv are truthers. They claim Alex Jones is the number one shill and disinfo artist in the truth movement. I think that might count as "distancing themselves"

http://www.wingtv.net/thorn2006/shill.html

MarkyX

8th June 2008, 06:10 PM

Stop lying. There are many truther sites that openly claim Alex Jones is disinfo.

Yeah, most of those sites think the holocaust didn't happen, jews control everything, and Alex Jones is a mossad agent.

Can you at least put some effort into defending your position?

AvarianParakeet

8th June 2008, 06:12 PM

defaultdotxbe

8th June 2008, 06:13 PM

So Alex Jones' fans agree with one of his ideas. How does that apply to the truth movement in general? What did you mean when you implied that the truth movement "follows" Alex Jones?
the OP made no mention of the truth movement, he simply said he has heard alot of CTers say it

* defaultdotxbe notes yet another movement of the goalposts

gc051360

8th June 2008, 06:14 PM

WingTv are truthers. They claim Alex Jones is the number one shill and disinfo artist in the truth movement. I think that might count as "distancing themselves"

http://www.wingtv.net/thorn2006/shill.html

Point?

It seems to me, that you are just trying to twist this thing, until you can feel like you've somehow won the debate.

eta: And why are you trying to distance the truth movement from this? They believe crazier things than this. So, who cares if there are truthers who think Alex Jones is a liar. They're still truthers, which means they still buy into nonsense.

theauthor

8th June 2008, 06:14 PM

Yeah, most of those sites think the holocaust didn't happen, jews control everything, and Alex Jones is a mossad agent.

Can you at least put some effort into defending your position?

Im not defending my position anymore. i already conceded defeat to the champion of the internet, remember?:D

Garb

8th June 2008, 06:15 PM

Most war games today actually focus on the horrors of war though. I haven't seen a serious war game actually glorify combat in a long time.

You must not have played Medal of Honor.

theauthor

8th June 2008, 06:15 PM

Point?

It seems to me, that you are just trying to twist this thing, until you can feel like you've somehow won the debate.

Nope, I already admitted i had lost to the internet champion.

abenja1

8th June 2008, 06:16 PM

I've didn't heard truthers claiming this as much as anti-video game activists like my good soon to be disbarred friend Jack Thompson.

It is true that America's Army was put out but I think it was a fairly honest way to give interested people a way to experience semi-realistic army action. I never personally played it but I heard it caught on well with National Guard members.

Most war games today actually focus on the horrors of war though. I haven't seen a serious war game actually glorify combat in a long time.

The army uses video game combat simulations. But my question is bringing up that CTers says "the game is conditioing to join the army or to make everyone serial killers." If this is true, why aren't the streets running with blood and why is the US army still recruiting the old fashioned way? I mean, CTers say we're sheeple who follow the gov't's every whim. So why aren't people following the gov't's brainwashing techniques?

gc051360

8th June 2008, 06:17 PM

Nope, I already admitted i had lost to the internet champion.

Yes. But you are being facetious.

theauthor

8th June 2008, 06:17 PM

Yes. But you are being facetious.

And what was he being? Someone trying to win a debate perhaps? lol

You gotta love the bias of debunkers.

I am told "You lose" by a debunker.

I say "ok I admit defeat, you win"

Another debunker says "You are trying to feel like you have won the debate"

Priceless!

gc051360

8th June 2008, 06:21 PM

And what was he being? Someone trying to win a debate perhaps? lol

uhhh....what?

He showed you proof of people making those claims. He added a "you lose" that you latched onto, to avoid dealing with the facts.

eta: What difference does it make if he was trying to win a debate?

You gotta love the bias of debunkers.
Weren't you just complaining about this? Attributing the position of one, to be representative of the whole?

My comments had nothing to do with the "you lose" or your response to it. But, your concession means nothing. You did it to mock the person who said "you lose". You continued to try and twist the argument, and you continued to shift the goal posts.

Another debunker says "You are trying to feel like you have won the debate"
Because you are.

Your constant shifting of goal posts, is evidence of that. For some reason, you can't admit you were wrong. So, when faced with facts....you change the subject, and start making up excuses...so that eventually (in your own mind) you can be right.

You may say "well..I acknowledged he won" but you did that to make fun of him. You never actually admitted to being wrong about anything.

1337m4n

8th June 2008, 06:29 PM

Gentlemen:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/16803484c79051f8ce.jpg

The secret to bliss.

theauthor

8th June 2008, 06:32 PM

Gentlemen:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/16803484c79051f8ce.jpg

The secret to bliss.

But we know that you click the "view post" button every time lol

Unless you just put me on ignore to take that screenshot:D

gc051360

8th June 2008, 06:33 PM

But we know that you click the "view post" button every time lol

Unless you just put me on ignore to take that screenshot:D

You have been successful at it for a while. But I think this thread needs to be a bit more on topic.

Do you have anything to add about this conspiracy theory?

Garb

8th June 2008, 06:33 PM

But we know that you click the "view post" button every time lol

Unless you just put me on ignore to take that screenshot:D

Or he actually has you on ignore.

theauthor

8th June 2008, 06:35 PM

Or he actually has you on ignore.

He might...but he presses the "view post" button every time!

Sword_Of_Truth

8th June 2008, 07:01 PM

Stop lying. There are many truther sites that openly claim Alex Jones is disinfo.

Yes, this is true.

And of those, the overwhelming majority are the ultra-rabid, near mindless jew-haters who fault Alex for not tackling the "real, real" villains behind 9/11 (the jews, in case you can't figure that out).

So I take it by your tone that you are one of the anti-alex jones troofers, eh?

Par

8th June 2008, 07:04 PM

He might...but he presses the "view post" button every time!

Silly lie.

stateofgrace

8th June 2008, 07:06 PM

And what was he being? Someone trying to win a debate perhaps? lol

You gotta love the bias of debunkers.

I am told "You lose" by a debunker.

I say "ok I admit defeat, you win"

Another debunker says "You are trying to feel like you have won the debate"

Priceless!

But we know that you click the "view post" button every time lol

Unless you just put me on ignore to take that screenshot:D

He might...but he presses the "view post" button every time!

Have you actually got a reason for posting on this forum? Have you got anything to add to any single thread that would actually class as half reasonable debatable points?

Anything, at all?

theauthor

8th June 2008, 07:17 PM

Yes, this is true.

And of those, the overwhelming majority are the ultra-rabid, near mindless jew-haters who fault Alex for not tackling the "real, real" villains behind 9/11 (the jews, in case you can't figure that out).

So I take it by your tone that you are one of the anti-alex jones troofers, eh?

No. I like alex jones. I just dont believe everything he says.

Bobert

8th June 2008, 07:20 PM

Im still waiting for a single example of a truther actually claiming this.
Well here is some discussion of GTA over at LCF.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/303834/1/#new

gumboot

8th June 2008, 07:25 PM

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 07:26 PM

I don't know if this has been discussed. Hopefully it hasn't. I read CTers all the time say that video games are brainwashing the masses to recruit them from everything into the army to making them serial killers. Of course, we all see the amount of people lining up at the recruitment lines. Discuss. Debunk. Theorize. Your choice.

If you look at the statistics and see how many people on death row are also ex-servicemen you will see that the real evil conspiracy is the military.

For example(one of many, and indirectly of course) Richard Ramirez A.K.A. "The Night Stalker" watched his uncles girlfriend get blown in the head. His uncle was a green beret.

Anyway, a lot of men on "The Row" once served in the military.

Army and serial killers go hand in hand. You can't brush your teeth without a toothbrush, and you can't be a serial killer without joining the military.

Or having an abusive father or relative who was ex-military.

gc051360

8th June 2008, 07:30 PM

RPIR, your whole post gets a "WTF?" from me.

abenja1

8th June 2008, 07:34 PM

For what it's worth I think it's a matter of fact that the US Military does have computer games it uses for recruiting tools, and I also think there's a pretty good argument that certain computer games do condition people to be better killers.

But I hardly see how any of that belongs in the CT forum. What's the conspiracy?

For every study that says games condition people to be better killers, there is one that says that is not true. The CT in my eyes is that the CTers say the gov't (NWO) is releasing and making these games as recruitiing tools and that the games make people killers. I don't see the streets running with blood caused by people who played GTA or hordes of people lining up to join the army after playing Call of Duty. There is also no evidence that the gov't is involved with these video games. The video game makers will usually hire a technical advisor to oversee so that weapons, costumes, and locations are accurate. But the idea some evil dude whose twittling his moustache is making these games is ridiculous.

gumboot

8th June 2008, 07:35 PM

Army and serial killers go hand in hand. You can't brush your teeth without a toothbrush, and you can't be a serial killer without joining the military.

Actually the majority of US Serial Killers never served in the military, and of those that did, many of them served during WW1 or WW2 when everyone served. If the military really did produce serial killers there should have been massive rises in serial killing globally in the 1920's - 30's and again from the 1950's to 1960's.

There wasn't.

abenja1

8th June 2008, 07:35 PM

If you look at the statistics and see how many people on death row are also ex-servicemen you will see that the real evil conspiracy is the military.

For example(one of many, and indirectly of course) Richard Ramirez A.K.A. "The Night Stalker" watched his uncles girlfriend get blown in the head. His uncle was a green beret.

Anyway, a lot of men on "The Row" once served in the military.

Army and serial killers go hand in hand. You can't brush your teeth without a toothbrush, and you can't be a serial killer without joining the military.

Or having an abusive father or relative who was ex-military.

I would love to argue how much your post reeks of hatred of the military but I must request you stay on topic.

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 07:35 PM

RPIR, your whole post gets a "WTF?" from me.

Why? There is no need for conspiracy.

There are video games that have secret messages in them. Subliminal messages.

Video games that seem harmless at first, but see underlies a sinister agenda.

abenja1

8th June 2008, 07:37 PM

Why? There is no need for conspiracy.

There are video games that have secret messages in them. Subliminal messages.

Video games that seem harmless at first, but see underlies a sinister agenda.

And you got any evidence for this? Just so you know imagainary AP articles don't count as evidence.

gc051360

8th June 2008, 07:37 PM

Why?

Because of statements like this:

Army and serial killers go hand in hand. You can't brush your teeth without a toothbrush, and you can't be a serial killer without joining the military.

eta: Also, the entire post is flawed. If you can show the statistics, that a significant amount of people on death row, are ex-military....you'd still have to prove a causal relationship.

There are video games that have secret messages in them. Subliminal messages.
Examples?

Video games that seem harmless at first, but see underlies a sinister agenda.
Examples?

bynmdsue

8th June 2008, 07:39 PM

and you can't be a serial killer without joining the military.

Or having an abusive father or relative who was ex-military.

Gots ta spread it thin to cover all the bases.

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 07:40 PM

I would love to argue how much your post reeks of hatred of the military but I must request you stay on topic.

It stems from how much I hate war.

I was on topic. There is no conspiracy unless you are talking about subliminal messages in video games.

Like in the "Karate Kid" Daniel san thinks that all he is doing is cleaning and maintaining Mr. Miyagi's house but when he realizes that all he has been doing has been making him a grand karate wizard.

Apply THAT ^^^^^^^^ , To some video games' purposes.

gumboot

8th June 2008, 07:41 PM

For every study that says games condition people to be better killers, there is one that says that is not true.

I think we have a very poor understanding of the psychology of killing, and that in fact there's virtually no studies relating to it. I didn't say "to be better killers" I said "conditioned to kill". Even the military - who have unlocked the process of conditioning, have very little understanding of the process involved. I think you'll find most of these studies you've mentioned are relating to desensitisation to violence or connections between committing killings and playing computer games. That's not what I'm talking about.

The CT in my eyes is that the CTers say the gov't (NWO) is releasing and making these games as recruitiing tools and that the games make people killers. I don't see the streets running with blood caused by people who played GTA or hordes of people lining up to join the army after playing Call of Duty. There is also no evidence that the gov't is involved with these video games. The video game makers will usually hire a technical advisor to oversee so that weapons, costumes, and locations are accurate. But the idea some evil dude whose twittling his moustache is making these games is ridiculous.

Ah I see. Yes, that is a ridiculous CT. But aren't they all?

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 07:41 PM

And you got any evidence for this? Just so you know imagainary AP articles don't count as evidence.

I'm sure there are thousands out there. Mainly ones in the fantasy, RPG, fairies and demons genre.

bynmdsue

8th June 2008, 07:42 PM

I'd just like to say I've played plenty of Medal of Honor and Call of Duty games and I really,really have no interest in engaging in actual combat.

gumboot

8th June 2008, 07:42 PM

There are video games that have secret messages in them. Subliminal messages.

Subliminal messaging doesn't work.

bynmdsue

8th June 2008, 07:43 PM

Rpir doesn't hate war,He hates America(and Israel)

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 07:49 PM

abenja1

8th June 2008, 07:50 PM

I'm sure there are thousands out there. Mainly ones in the fantasy, RPG, fairies and demons genre.

I'm sure the moon is made of cheese. That doesn't make me right. Please provide evidence RPIR

VespaGuy

8th June 2008, 07:51 PM

If you look at the statistics and see how many people on death row are also ex-servicemen you will see that the real evil conspiracy is the military.

For example(one of many, and indirectly of course) Richard Ramirez A.K.A. "The Night Stalker" watched his uncles girlfriend get blown in the head. His uncle was a green beret.

Anyway, a lot of men on "The Row" once served in the military.

Army and serial killers go hand in hand. You can't brush your teeth without a toothbrush, and you can't be a serial killer without joining the military.

Or having an abusive father or relative who was ex-military.

Wrong again. It's toasters. Seriously. Toasters.

Listen:
Richard Ramirez owned a toaster, and so did his uncle.
A lot of men on "the Row" once owned toasters.
Toasters and serial killers go hand in hand. You can't make toast without a toaster and you can't be a serial killer without owning a toaster.
Or having an abusive father or relative who owned a toaster.

gc051360

8th June 2008, 07:53 PM

I hate war too.

Anyway it's just like the whole stupid thing with innuendo in songs. "naw man, he's talking about eating a cherry pie." If you think that there is not a subliminal message in that then you are naive.

Many games probably have them.

I thought that you may be on the track of making a point about violent video games desensitizing people to violence.

I thought you were on the cusp of actually making a point that made sense.

But then you bring up examples of Karate Kid, and Warrant.

abenja1

8th June 2008, 07:55 PM

I think we have a very poor understanding of the psychology of killing, and that in fact there's virtually no studies relating to it. I didn't say "to be better killers" I said "conditioned to kill". Even the military - who have unlocked the process of conditioning, have very little understanding of the process involved. I think you'll find most of these studies you've mentioned are relating to desensitisation to violence or connections between committing killings and playing computer games. That's not what I'm talking about.

Ah I see. Yes, that is a ridiculous CT. But aren't they all?

Sorry. Misinterpreted what you said. It's trying to find proof the military is conditioning people through video games. I'm sure there are people who played GTA ran out of their house 10 min later, and stole a car, beat up someone the whole shebang. There is evidence of desensitisation to violence from video games. If you ever get a chance you should read Grand Theft Auto Childhood. It's a great book that shows the flaws of studies on both sides.

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 07:59 PM

Wrong again. It's toasters. Seriously. Toasters.

Listen:
Richard Ramirez owned a toaster, and so did his uncle.
A lot of men on "the Row" once owned toasters.
Toasters and serial killers go hand in hand. You can't make toast without a toaster and you can't be a serial killer without owning a toaster.
Or having an abusive father or relative who owned a toaster.

You are just showing your insensitivity. He witnessed a point blank MURDER! That's different from owning a toaster

What you are implying is stupid and naive.

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 08:02 PM

Do video games desensitize children? Maybe the stupid ones.

It is in the eye of the beholder. What if after playing GTA vice city he wanted to join the priesthood?

What about Aladdin for sega genesis? Doesn't that have subliminal messages of cheating on your wife?

MarkyX

8th June 2008, 08:02 PM

Why? There is no need for conspiracy.

There are video games that have secret messages in them. Subliminal messages.

Video games that seem harmless at first, but see underlies a sinister agenda.

Please give one example. I'll promise not to laugh.

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 08:08 PM

Please give one example. I'll promise not to laugh.

See #100.

The majority of you people are really dense.

MarkyX

8th June 2008, 08:11 PM

What if after playing GTA vice city he wanted to join the priesthood?

Cite any examples of this?

What about Aladdin for sega genesis? Doesn't that have subliminal messages of cheating on your wife?

See above.

theauthor

8th June 2008, 08:21 PM

Subliminal messaging doesn't work.

Oh look, another subject that gumboot is an expert on. Any chance of some proof that it doesn't work? Or is it just because you say so?

abenja1

8th June 2008, 08:25 PM

Oh look, another subject that gumboot is an expert on. Any chance of some proof that it doesn't work? Or is it just because you say so?

There is no conclusive study that subliminal messagese work. James Vicary, the man who is cited by truthers and others as the man who proved that subliminal messaging. However he later admitted the study was exaggerated and lying.

VespaGuy

8th June 2008, 08:28 PM

What about Aladdin for sega genesis? Doesn't that have subliminal messages of cheating on your wife?

Uh... if the messages are subliminal, how do you know they are there?

VespaGuy

8th June 2008, 08:34 PM

You are just showing your insensitivity. He witnessed a point blank MURDER!

So the fact that his uncle was a green beret has nothing to do with it. Got it.

What you are implying is stupid and naive.

Exactly.

gumboot

8th June 2008, 08:39 PM

Sorry. Misinterpreted what you said. It's trying to find proof the military is conditioning people through video games. I'm sure there are people who played GTA ran out of their house 10 min later, and stole a car, beat up someone the whole shebang. There is evidence of desensitisation to violence from video games. If you ever get a chance you should read Grand Theft Auto Childhood. It's a great book that shows the flaws of studies on both sides.

Interestingly enough games like GTA wouldn't fit the type of game that I think is probably conditioning people to kill. A good book that looks at the issue is On Killing by Dave Grossman. The first sections of the book, in which he deals with the psychology of killing in war, is a thorough and surprising piece of work. In the last section he deals with the application of the previous parts of the book to civil society. I think he makes a good argument with certain types of computer games (which he calls murder simulators). Basically his argument is that certain computer games - specifically FPS style arcade games in which the player holds some sort of "gun" and points it at the screen - replicate the conditioning techniques used by the military. It's important to note this is not in any way intentional, but merely a side effect of every game manufacturer's desire to make a more immersive "real" experience. I think his argument is perfectly valid, but it's worth pointing out that it applies only to a very narrow band of computer game. There's also an argument for FPS games in general, but less so than the "hold a gun and shoot at the screen" type ones. The argument certainly doesn't hold for anything that's 3rd person.

Grossman goes off base, I think, when he then proceeds to other areas of the media - in particular immoral role models in film. He cites violent horror film characters as modern immoral role models, when in reality horror films consist of a tiny fraction of film or television watched by young people, and in fact their main role models are the key characters in their favourite TV programmes - who happen to still be typically of good moral fibre.

The next step in the riddle is of course desensitisation to violence. That's something that's done consciously in military conditioning - with new soldiers shown incredibly graphic videos and images of battle wounds. But the same is true of paramedics and police officers and doctors and many other trades - they're desensitised too. And violent movies do a lot more to desensitise someone to violence than violent computer games - not to mention of course that actual violence itself is more effective than anything else.

And even then, even if you combine being conditioned to kill with desensitisation to violence, the key is that doesn't mean you're going to kill anyone. I'm thoroughly desensitised and almost certainly conditioned. But I have no urge whatsoever to ever kill anyone.

The key ingredient is the desire to kill, and you don't get that from computer games or violent movies. That comes from somewhere else. The best you can argue is that even if you had the desire to kill, if you're not conditioned and not desensitised you're less likely to do it, and even less likely to do it more than once.

People attack movies and games because it's easier to attack those things that make killing easier than it is to attack those things that create the desire to kill in the first place. But in my mind that's really what should be dealt with.

Anyway, sorry about the derail.

gumboot

8th June 2008, 08:48 PM

Oh look, another subject that gumboot is an expert on. Any chance of some proof that it doesn't work? Or is it just because you say so?

I've only ever claimed to have expertise in subjects relating to film and television. We know subliminal messaging doesn't work because companies - particularly in advertising - have tried to exploit it for decades, and have failed to produce results.

Bobert

8th June 2008, 09:02 PM

Gumboot,
I don't mean this to be rude but post 108 was rather long for the average truther attention span.
You also included a lot more words then they are used to reading in one sitting.
You might want to spice it up by adding large red fonts, pictures, etc.
Sprinkle in "bush Loyalists" or "wake up sheeple" and you may get the truthers attention.
Besides that it was a great post and that does seem to be a book worth a read, thanks!

gumboot

8th June 2008, 09:08 PM

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 09:11 PM

So the fact that his uncle was a green beret has nothing to do with it. Got it.

Exactly.

Yes it does. The green berets created a psycho serial killer, which created another psycho serial killer. He was indirectly a product of the military creating serial killers.

You were implying that killing human beings and owning a toaster are the same thing.

You are sick.

gc051360

8th June 2008, 09:16 PM

Yes it does. The green berets created a psycho serial killer, which created another psycho serial killer. He was indirectly a product of the military creating serial killers.

You were implying that killing human beings and owning a toaster are the same thing.

You are sick.

Again. IF you are able to show statistical evidence, that serial killers tend to have a military background (which you haven't done yet) you'd still have to prove a causal relationship.

That was the point with the toaster example. He was showing you the flaw of your thinking.

gumboot

8th June 2008, 09:19 PM

You were implying that killing human beings and owning a toaster are the same thing.

They probably are if you're a serial killer.

Arus808

8th June 2008, 09:20 PM

Yes it does. The green berets created a psycho serial killer, which created another psycho serial killer. He was indirectly a product of the military creating serial killers.

please prove this. My dad is an Ex Army Ranger; my brother-in-law served twice in the army.

guess what? none of them killed anyone.

Care to back up your claims

VespaGuy

8th June 2008, 09:34 PM

Yes it does. The green berets created a psycho serial killer, which created another psycho serial killer. He was indirectly a product of the military creating serial killers.

What is the percentage of military men who become serial killers? What percentage of non-military men become serial killers?

You were implying that killing human beings and owning a toaster are the same thing.

I was attempting to show how silly your little logical fallacy was. The fact that it was lost on you did not come as a surprise.

You are sick.

You are hopeless.

VespaGuy

8th June 2008, 09:37 PM

And in case you missed it RPIR:

What about Aladdin for sega genesis? Doesn't that have subliminal messages of cheating on your wife?

If the messages are subliminal, how do you know they exist?

Arus808

8th June 2008, 09:44 PM

I have no clue where he got that idea. Even a google on it, shows nothing connecting Aladdin's Video game to subliminal messages. I think's he's confused on the ACTUAL animated movie, where there are claims that Aladdin stated "take off your clothes" while he was Prince Ali, and was in Jasmines bedroom, when Raja attacked him

http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/aladdin.asp

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 09:51 PM

gumboot

8th June 2008, 09:52 PM

orphia nay

8th June 2008, 09:54 PM

For every study that says games condition people to be better killers, there is one that says that is not true. The CT in my eyes is that the CTers say the gov't (NWO) is releasing and making these games as recruitiing tools and that the games make people killers. I don't see the streets running with blood caused by people who played GTA or hordes of people lining up to join the army after playing Call of Duty. There is also no evidence that the gov't is involved with these video games. The video game makers will usually hire a technical advisor to oversee so that weapons, costumes, and locations are accurate. But the idea some evil dude whose twittling his moustache is making these games is ridiculous.

Exactly.

For what it's worth, here are links to evidence that the army does use video games as recruitment tools. There's no conspiracy about it - the army are blatant about it. There's no "brainwashing" - it's outright recruitment.

http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/04/army_signs_recr.html

It’s not all about combat. Being in the Army is about driving trucks, welding, nurses and computers. If we have an opportunity to tell the Army story, we may have better influence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Army

Chris Chambers, the deputy director of development for America's Army, admits it is a recruitment tool,[30] and "the Army readily admits [America's Army] is a propaganda device, " wrote Chris Morris, a CNN/Money columnist and director of content development.[31]
[...]
Leading American players to the website is a major goal of the game, and it was confirmed that twenty-eight percent of all visitors of America's Army's webpage click through to this recruitment site.[33]

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 09:54 PM

So you want me to find people that have done studies?

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 09:55 PM

My point that it is in the eye of the beholder.

Arus808

8th June 2008, 09:57 PM

In the game, the creators made a code that you can "cheat" and skip levels.The hidden message is that you can cheat in the game. The message is cheat on your wife, cheat in life and cheat on your taxes.

wow, a slippery slope fallacy.

GUESS WHAT .. ALL GAMES come with CHEAT CODES. ALL of them. some are known, some aren't (they are debugging codes, so that reviewers and Quality Assurance people can get to any point in the game, without PLAYING through every single level...Can you imagine trying to debug something like final fantasy VII without some type of cheat code?) - sometimes those debug codes get leaked out to the public

Super Mario Bros, you can cheat to get from World 1-1 to the last level with 99 men, and beat the game

Contra/Gradius/any Konami game - konami cheat code up,up,down,down,left,right,left,right,b,A,Start - gave you 30 extra lives, power ups, jump levels, etc

You are delusional

aladdins cheats:
http://www.gamewinners.com/GEN/Aladdin.htm
http://www.jumbocheats.com/cheatcodes/site/search/11483/Genesis/Aladdin

There are whole sites dedicated to showing these cheat codes.

MarkyX

8th June 2008, 09:59 PM

In the game, the creators made a code that you can "cheat" and skip levels. The hidden message is that you can cheat in the game. The message is cheat on your wife, cheat in life and cheat on your taxes.

Oh sweet jesus allah buddah christ...

As a long time gamer, I don't know if I should feel insulted or laugh. Or maybe I should go on a murderous rampage since video games are supposed to make me violent and quick tempered.

Choices, choices...

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 10:05 PM

Oh sweet jesus allah buddah christ...

As a long time gamer, I don't know if I should feel insulted or laugh. Or maybe I should go on a murderous rampage since video games are supposed to make me violent and quick tempered.

Choices, choices...

I'm actually making a point. Too bad nobody on this forum is very bright.

The subliminal messages are bogus. What might be right for you, may not be right for some. I watch rambo and join the marines, Marky watches rambo, joins the priesthood. Means nothing!

MarkyX

8th June 2008, 10:05 PM

So you want me to find people that have done studies?

Go ahead, but you won't like the results.

For example, juvenile violent crime violence is at a 30-year low. So much for violent games making us all killers.

MarkyX

8th June 2008, 10:07 PM

I'm actually making a point. Too bad nobody on this forum is very bright.

The subliminal messages are bogus. What might be right for you, may not be right for some. I watch rambo and join the marines, Marky watches rambo, joins the priesthood. Means nothing!

I already posted my "LOL WUT" image on another thread. I'm too lazy to post another.

Arus808

8th June 2008, 10:08 PM

I'm actually making a point.

No, you've shown that you are clueless, and are prone to using logical fallacies.

The subliminal messages are bogus. What might be right for you, may not be right for some. I watch rambo and join the marines, Marky watches rambo, joins the priesthood. Means nothing!

this absolutely makes no sense. but what is new from you?

bynmdsue

8th June 2008, 10:08 PM

rpir

Stop gazing at your navel and living inside your goddamn head all the time.

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 10:09 PM

Go ahead, but you won't like the results.

For example, juvenile violent crime violence is at a 30-year low. So much for violent games making us all killers.

Stupid,

Studies that correlate military service and being on death row. I've done the research myself. A high percentage of men on death row, were also hired killers taught to shoot burn and torture people. War is hell and viet nam vets, WW2 vets, korean vets, who have seen action, are never EVER the same.

Sword_Of_Truth

8th June 2008, 10:09 PM

I'd just like to say I've played plenty of Medal of Honor and Call of Duty games and I really,really have no interest in engaging in actual combat.

Don't those games (along with "Wolfenstien") teach that it's socially acceptable to machine-gun large numbers of fascist anti-semites?

Might explain why RPIR is so worried. *nudge, nudge, wink, wink*

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 10:11 PM

No, you've shown that you are clueless, and are prone to using logical fallacies.

this absolutely makes no sense. but what is new from you?

Because you're not that bright.

Subliminal messages in video games will affect people differently.

abenja1

8th June 2008, 10:11 PM

Stupid,

Studies that correlate military service and being on death row. I've done the research myself. A high percentage of men on death row, were also hired killers taught to shoot burn and torture people. War is hell and viet nam vets, WW2 vets, korean vets, who have seen action, are never EVER the same.

You've done studies? Have you published it in a peer-reviewed journal? May I see the results of the study?

EDIT: I shouldn't get off topic. but I can't resist. You say you want to bring the troops home? So you want to bring home a bunch of murderers? A little consistency please that's all I ask.

MarkyX

8th June 2008, 10:11 PM

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 10:12 PM

You've done studies? Have you published it in a peer-reviewed journal? May I see the results of the study?

I have not published it in a peer-reviewed journal.

abenja1

8th June 2008, 10:12 PM

I have not published it in a peer-reviewed journal.

May I see your study please?

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 10:15 PM

May I see your study please?

My study is an independent study. I have read bios of many death row dudes and a lot of them have a background in the military. I got the bios from google, you can do the same and come to the same conclusion.

Prometheus

8th June 2008, 10:17 PM

I don't know about the recruitment tool angle, but when I was in college I had a part-time job playing video games in a laboratory at a defense contractor in Cambridge. They paid me $15 an hour, which was a lot for a teenager in the early eighties, to play a game similar to the classic "Asteroids" except that each time I played they made one or more changes in the rules, and measured (I think) how long it took me to adapt to the changes.

abenja1

8th June 2008, 10:17 PM

My study is an independent study. I have read bios of many death row dudes and a lot of them have a background in the military. I got the bios from google, you can do the same and come to the same conclusion.

With your permission I would like you to either post here or send it to me please. I hope this isn't another study that was done by the AP done in your head.

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 10:23 PM

With your permission I would like you to either post here or send it to me please. I hope this isn't another study that was done by the AP done in your head.

No. It was done in my free time.

Sword_Of_Truth

8th June 2008, 10:25 PM

My study is an independent study. I have read bios of many death row dudes and a lot of them have a background in the military. I got the bios from google, you can do the same and come to the same conclusion.

I think what RPIR is trying to say, is that he spent some time looking at death row inmate bios and the ones that stand out in his mind all had military backgrounds.

Cl1mh4224rd

8th June 2008, 10:26 PM

Rpir doesn't hate war,He hates America(and Israel)
I hate war too.

Holy awesome. Good job, there, RPiR... :rolleyes:

bynmdsue

8th June 2008, 10:28 PM

John Wayne Gacy-no military service

Ted Bundy-no military service

Tex Watson-no military service

Aileen Wournos-no military service

Everybody feel free to add their own...

abenja1

8th June 2008, 10:31 PM

John Wayne Gacy-no military service

Ted Bundy-no military service

Tex Watson-no military service

Aileen Wournos-no military service

Everybody feel free to add their own...

Jeffrey Dahmer

BTK

Manson

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 10:31 PM

There are more that HAD military service.

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 10:32 PM

Jeffrey Dahmer

BTK

Manson

Manson is not on death row.

abenja1

8th June 2008, 10:33 PM

Manson is not on death row.

He should be. And if he wasn't convicted in California, but in any other state (maybe not MA), he would be.

Sword_Of_Truth

8th June 2008, 10:34 PM

John Wayne Gacy-no military service

Ted Bundy-no military service

Tex Watson-no military service

Aileen Wournos-no military service

Everybody feel free to add their own...

Ronpaulisright...

bynmdsue

8th June 2008, 10:35 PM

Dahmer-Army,discharged 2 years into a six year hitch for excessive drinking

Dennis Rader(BTK)-Air Force 66-70 (No Nam,No combat)

Manson-dog crap that walks like a man,but no military service

abenja1

8th June 2008, 10:36 PM

Dahmer-Army,discharged 2 years into a six year hitch for excessive drinking

Dennis Rader(BTK)-Air Force 66-70 (No Nam,No combat)

Manson-dog crap that walks like a man,but no military service

Thanks for filing in the blanks. I had no idea Dahmer was actually in the military.

Arus808

8th June 2008, 10:36 PM

then your "studies" are flawed. The Buerau of Justice keeps tabs on these types of things:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cp.htm

bynmdsue

8th June 2008, 10:37 PM

Manson was originally sentenced to death in CA(as were all the defendants) but when the SCOTUS set aside all executions briefly it was changed to Life.

Cl1mh4224rd

8th June 2008, 10:37 PM

He should be. And if he wasn't convicted in California, but in any other state (maybe not MA), he would be.

He was. The Supreme Court of California temporarily did away with the death penalty some time after his conviction, which bumped him down to life in prison. When they reinstated the death penalty, it didn't apply to Manson.

abenja1

8th June 2008, 10:38 PM

He was. The Supreme Court of California temporarily did away with the death sentence some time after his conviction, which bumped him down to life in prison. When they reinstated the death penalty, it didn't apply to Manson.

I see. Thanks for filing me in on that. I've been conditioned from my video games that Manson never got the death sentence.:rolleyes:

bynmdsue

8th June 2008, 10:40 PM

The Capital Punishment ban was nationwide.Damn liberal court.

gumboot

8th June 2008, 10:48 PM

John Wayne Gacy-no military service

Ted Bundy-no military service

Tex Watson-no military service

Aileen Wournos-no military service

Everybody feel free to add their own...

Lets look at a list of the 10 worst serial killers in US history...

1. Randy Steven Kraft
Joined USAF in 1968. Discharged in 1969 due to "medical condition" (probably because he announced he was a homosexual). No combat experience.

2. Gary Ridgway
Never served in military.

3. Belle Gunness
Never served in military.

4. John Wayne Gacy
Never served in military.

5. Ted Bundy
Never served in military.

6. Herman Webster Mudgett (Dr H H Holmes)
Never served in military.

7. Charles Cullen
Joined US Navy in 1978. Was discharged in 1984 due to mental instability. No combat experience.

8. Jeffrey Dahmer
Enlisted in US Army in 1979. Was discharged in 1981 due to excess drinking. No combat experience.

9. Robert Lee Yates
Enlisted in US Army in 1975. Served for 19 years as a helicopter pilot gaining numerous medals and citations for good service. No combat experience.

10. Richard Ramirez
Never served in military.

That's hardly compelling evidence of the "war creates serial killers" claim.

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 10:52 PM

Lets look at a list of the 10 worst serial killers in US history...

1. Randy Steven Kraft
Joined USAF in 1968. Discharged in 1969 due to "medical condition" (probably because he announced he was a homosexual). No combat experience.

2. Gary Ridgway
Never served in military.

3. Belle Gunness
Never served in military.

4. John Wayne Gacy
Never served in military.

5. Ted Bundy
Never served in military.

6. Herman Webster Mudgett (Dr H H Holmes)
Never served in military.

7. Charles Cullen
Joined US Navy in 1978. Was discharged in 1984 due to mental instability. No combat experience.

8. Jeffrey Dahmer
Enlisted in US Army in 1979. Was discharged in 1981 due to excess drinking. No combat experience.

9. Robert Lee Yates
Enlisted in US Army in 1975. Served for 19 years as a helicopter pilot gaining numerous medals and citations for good service. No combat experience.

10. Richard Ramirez
Never served in military.

That's hardly compelling evidence of the "war creates serial killers" claim.

You left out Richard Ramirez' uncle who ****ed him up for life. His uncle, was a green beret.

abenja1

8th June 2008, 10:55 PM

You left out Richard Ramirez' uncle who ****ed him up for life. His uncle, was a green beret.

It wasn't his uncle who killed those people. By your logic Ramirez's uncle should've been mowing down people the minute he set foot back on the US

VespaGuy

8th June 2008, 10:56 PM

I'm actually making a point. Too bad nobody on this forum is very bright.

The subliminal messages are bogus. What might be right for you, may not be right for some.

That's some deep stuff. Real deep. Like something you'd hear in the theme song from a late 70s American sticom:

Now, the world don’t move to the beat of just one drum,
What might be right for you, may not be right for some.
A man is born, he’s a man of means.
Then along come two, they got nothing but their jeans.

But they got, Diff’rent Strokes. It takes, Diff’rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff’rent Strokes to move the world.

I can't wait until RPIR tells us to "take the good, take the bad, take them both and there you have the facts of life."

Prometheus

8th June 2008, 10:58 PM

Lets look at a list of the 10 worst serial killers in US history...

<snip>

That's hardly compelling evidence of the "war creates serial killers" claim.

True, but it's not really evidence against it either. If the claim were, "only war creates serial killers," then you'd have a point. What you need is to find out whether a statistically significant difference exists between the percentage of combat vets who become serial killers, and the percentage of non-vets who do so, and there are a number of potentially confounding variables that would have to be controlled for, as well, such as the possibility that those nuts enough to eventually become serial killers might be either more or less likely to survive combat, thereby skewing the results.

Cl1mh4224rd

8th June 2008, 10:59 PM

You left out Richard Ramirez' uncle who ****ed him up for life. His uncle, was a green beret.

By "uncle", do you mean "cousin"?

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 11:00 PM

Boot camp can have affects on a mans psyche too. You don't know.

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 11:02 PM

It wasn't his uncle who killed those people. By your logic Ramirez's uncle should've been mowing down people the minute he set foot back on the US

No it wasn't. He killed people in 'nam, and killed his own GIRLFRIEND! Richard Ramirez and his uncle were serial killers. Fact!

abenja1

8th June 2008, 11:02 PM

No it wasn't. He killed people in 'nam, and killed his own GIRLFRIEND! Richard Ramirez and his uncle were serial killers. Fact!

You got evidence for either?

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 11:03 PM

By "uncle", do you mean "cousin"?

Cousin? uncle? irrelevant. It might have been a cousin. I said uncle. Which one is it?

nevermind. It doesn't matter.

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 11:04 PM

Check out crime library, or hell, check out the special they had on him on tv. (I think it was A&E)

Cl1mh4224rd

8th June 2008, 11:05 PM

Cousin? uncle? irrelevant. It might have been a cousin. I said uncle. Which one is it?

nevermind. It doesn't matter.

It does matter. I thought you said you studied this sort of stuff?

fullflavormenthol

8th June 2008, 11:05 PM

Cousin? uncle? irrelevant. It might have been a cousin. I said uncle. Which one is it?

nevermind. It doesn't matter.
No. No, it does matter, okay. It matters when you state something and then claim that the details don't matter. It does matter, it shows how serious your research really is.

gc051360

8th June 2008, 11:08 PM

Even if you show that people with a military background, contain a higher percentage of killers....that still does not prove a causal relationship.

But Ronpaulisright hasn't even gone that far as to look into it.

He makes things up, and assumes them to be true because they make sense to him.

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 11:08 PM

No. No, it does matter, okay. It matters when you state something and then claim that the details don't matter. It does matter, it shows how serious your research really is.

Cousin or uncle is not the ****ing point.

gc051360

8th June 2008, 11:09 PM

Cousin or uncle is not the ****ing point.
What is the point?

That he had military experience, and killed someone. Therefore his military experience caused him to kill someone?

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 11:10 PM

gc051360

8th June 2008, 11:11 PM

Why doesn't someone make a study, and show me that I am right.
You are not smart.

I only include this, not as an insult, but because you've bragged about your intelligence. I am the bearer of bad news. Sorry.

Most males on death row had a military background, OR UPBRINGING!
Can you show me proof of this?

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 11:11 PM

What is the point?

That he had military experience, and killed someone. Therefore his military experience caused him to kill someone?

yes. he killed in 'nam and killed his girlfriend. Richard was forever traumatized after this.

ronpaulisright

8th June 2008, 11:12 PM

You are not smart.

Can you show me proof of this?

That's your job.

Go get me proof.

gumboot

8th June 2008, 11:14 PM

You left out Richard Ramirez' uncle who ****ed him up for life. His uncle, was a green beret.

His cousin, allegedly. So claims Ramirez. It's far more likely that his drug use and the fact he was totally insane was what caused his killings. He claims he was deeply fascinated with death and killing at the age of 9. He was also a heavy cocaine user and a Satanist.

When he was 10 or 11 his cousin allegedly came back from Vietnam and shortly afterwards murdered his wife and was carted off to jail, so there wasn't much time for the influence this "Mike" supposedly had on his life.

fullflavormenthol

8th June 2008, 11:15 PM

That's your job.

Go get me proof.
You're the one making the extraordinary claims, the burden is on you.

gc051360

8th June 2008, 11:17 PM

That's your job.

Go get me proof.

You want me to prove you right?

Didn't you just claim that you did an independent study?

eta: Ok. I'll give it a bit of a look. Wait a minute....no. You made the claim. You did the independent study.

Cl1mh4224rd

8th June 2008, 11:17 PM

Why doesn't someone make a study, and show me that I am right. One of you will go out and try to prove me wrong and will find out, that I was right all along.

Most males on death row had a military background, OR UPBRINGING!

AND IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE!

And have you eliminated the possibility that these types of people are merely attracted to military service?

gumboot

8th June 2008, 11:18 PM

True, but it's not really evidence against it either. If the claim were, "only war creates serial killers," then you'd have a point.

Well the claim was "you can't have a serial killer without military service". So yeah, I have a point.

Prometheus

8th June 2008, 11:18 PM

Even if you show that people with a military background, contain a higher percentage of killers....that still does not prove a causal relationship....

That's also true. As I said, there are all sorts of potentially confounding variables (other than causality) that might explain such a correlation. For instance, its entirely possible that people with a pre-disposition to become serial killers might also have a pre-disposition to join the military. I don't know enough about research design to say for certain, but I think that that possibility alone is likely to be statistically indistinguishable from RPIR's hypothesis. An experiment that could actually prove or disprove the hypothesis would be illegal.

Cl1mh4224rd

8th June 2008, 11:20 PM

No it wasn't. He killed people in 'nam, and killed his own GIRLFRIEND! Richard Ramirez and his uncle were serial killers. Fact!
yes. he killed in 'nam and killed his girlfriend. Richard was forever traumatized after this.

By "girlfriend", do you mean "wife"?

Man... you really don't pay any attention to detail at all, do you?

Prometheus

8th June 2008, 11:20 PM

Well the claim was "you can't have a serial killer without military service". So yeah, I have a point.

Sorry, I missed the original claim. I was going only by the part which you included in the post I responded to.

VespaGuy

8th June 2008, 11:21 PM

Why doesn't someone make a study, and show me that I am right. One of you will go out and try to prove me wrong and will find out, that I was right all along.

Most males on death row had a military background, OR UPBRINGING!

AND IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE!

Most males on death row had toasters, OR MICROWAVE OVENS!!

AND IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE

gumboot

8th June 2008, 11:22 PM

yes. he killed in 'nam and killed his girlfriend. Richard was forever traumatized after this.

He killed his wife, not his girlfriend, and Ramirez himself claims he was fascinated by it, and had been fascinated by death for two years before this happened. So you're failing miserably here.

Some sources add the interesting side claim that Ramirez used to hang out with his cousin when he was 13 and that the killing occured after this, which is pretty interesting considering his cousin was in prison for murder well before this time.

The reality is that his violent behaviour didn't emerge until years later after he converted to Satanism - well after he was long removed from any influence from his imprisoned cousin.

Cl1mh4224rd

8th June 2008, 11:29 PM

Most males on death row had toasters, OR MICROWAVE OVENS!!

AND IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE

I bet they also drank fluoridated water...

HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP

9th June 2008, 12:26 AM

I don't know if this has been discussed. Hopefully it hasn't. I read CTers all the time say that video games are brainwashing the masses to recruit them from everything into the army to making them serial killers. Of course, we all see the amount of people lining up at the recruitment lines. Discuss. Debunk. Theorize. Your choice.
Who is selling secrets to the outside world???
The NWO has turned this simple analog controller for the original plastation:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/21863484ccbf13f3a5.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=12469)

Into this to launch rockets:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/21863484ccc686f2b6.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=12470)
How are supposed to take over the world when we can't even keep quiet about our secrets?:mad:
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_21863484cccea5526c.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=12471)

ronpaulisright

9th June 2008, 12:56 AM

Most males on death row had toasters, OR MICROWAVE OVENS!!

AND IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE

There you go again thinking that there is no correlation.

ronpaulisright

9th June 2008, 12:58 AM

He killed his wife, not his girlfriend, and Ramirez himself claims he was fascinated by it, and had been fascinated by death for two years before this happened. So you're failing miserably here.

Some sources add the interesting side claim that Ramirez used to hang out with his cousin when he was 13 and that the killing occured after this, which is pretty interesting considering his cousin was in prison for murder well before this time.

The reality is that his violent behaviour didn't emerge until years later after he converted to Satanism - well after he was long removed from any influence from his imprisoned cousin.

It affected him majorly. He witnessed a graphic murder by someone he idolized.

gumboot

9th June 2008, 01:37 AM

It affected him majorly. He witnessed a graphic murder by someone he idolized.

She just got shot. Hardly like she was hacked into pieces. And I've seen no evidence he "idolised" his cousin. If he idolised anyone, it was Satan.

ronpaulisright

9th June 2008, 01:48 AM

She just got shot. Hardly like she was hacked into pieces. And I've seen no evidence he "idolised" his cousin. If he idolised anyone, it was Satan.

I find you present both variables to a psychologist, he would agree with me.

Seeing someone you look up to, shoot another person in the face, 2 inches away mind you, and the blood of the woman splats on your face?!?!?!

That sounds pretty traumatizing.

Hey richie how was your day today? "oh fine I just saw mike shoot "jane" in the face from 3 inches away, oh yeah, and her blood got on my face!"

gumboot

9th June 2008, 03:34 AM

Seeing someone you look up to, shoot another person in the face, 2 inches away mind you, and the blood of the woman splats on your face?!?!?!

The only reason he looked up to his cousin "Mike" is because he was 10 and therefore quite short. Two inches away? Fell like making any more gross exaggerations? This is getting ridiculous.

OneShotKi11

9th June 2008, 06:37 AM

oh please. I play Call of Duty, Ghost Recon, Tom Clancy Rainbow Six, etc , and never did I feel after playing those games, did I want to go an "enlist". Far from it.

Next game up: Metal Gear Solid 4 .. only 4 more days

I must admit that i am a heavy gamer and do sometimes consider joining the Army because of my FPS gaming.

Then my brain kicks in and i realize i dont like to wake up early, especially before the sun rises. So i continue to game.....

Furi

9th June 2008, 06:48 AM

I am the milkman, my milk is Delicious.
Now that I have said their trigger word, we had better start running.
let us push it further "Beware of the cows, Not all milk is enriched"
Lawks my evil nature knows no bounds mwhuhuhu*HACK*HUHhaaha

Prometheus

9th June 2008, 06:55 AM

I must admit that i am a heavy gamer and do sometimes consider joining the Army because of my FPS gaming.

Then my brain kicks in and i realize i dont like to wake up early, especially before the sun rises. So i continue to game.....

Oh good! The brainwashing is working! Now all we have to do is make a "slight" adjustment to Daylight Savings Time....

peteweaver

9th June 2008, 07:00 AM

There's www.americasarmy.com a simulation which can be downloaded for free...
The concept behind it is to teach soldiers tactics.

However they don't tell you about the subliminal mind control software enbedded between frames which turn you into a mind controlled zombie.

Bobert

9th June 2008, 08:47 AM

In the game, the creators made a code that you can "cheat" and skip levels. The hidden message is that you can cheat in the game. The message is cheat on your wife, cheat in life and cheat on your taxes.

WOW!!!!!!
I will vote for you for the June Stundies.
That is a pricelsss gem!!!
You may want to call Wearechange and maybe they can help you beat up little mermaid in front of Disney.

Drudgewire

9th June 2008, 10:54 AM

Nominated for being Stundieliscious.

Thank goodness for cheat codes. I STILL wouldn't have been able to use a rocket launcher on GTA 4 without them. :o

A W Smith

9th June 2008, 11:13 AM

Why doesn't someone make a study, and show me that I am right. One of you will go out and try to prove me wrong and will find out, that I was right all along.

Most males on death row had a military background, OR UPBRINGING!

AND IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE!

Why don't you take the results of your study, And list the names of those on death row that have military backgrounds here in this thread? That should be quite easy for you. That is IF in fact you ever did such a study and are not lying

defaultdotxbe

9th June 2008, 11:16 AM

this could be a chicken or the egg situation, how many would-be serial killers join the military so they can kill people legally?

dudalb

9th June 2008, 12:17 PM

If you look at the statistics and see how many people on death row are also ex-servicemen you will see that the real evil conspiracy is the military.

Uh, you know that Ron Paul served in the US Air Force, don't you?
I served in the US Army and really resent your insults.
Congratulations. You have gone 1000 posts in about six weeks and have yet to make one valid point in any of them..except that you do not know what you are talking about.
Excuse me while I boot up "Half Life 2" and kick some Alien/MIB butt.

abenja1

9th June 2008, 12:24 PM

Uh, you know that Ron Paul served in the US Air Force, don't you?

You know why RP ran? B/c when he won, he would satisfy his hunger for blood by kidnapping everyone under an executive order and then feed them to sharks with laser beams on their heads.

SatansMaleVoiceChoir

9th June 2008, 01:12 PM

OK RPIR; here's a few facts for you:

BOTH my Grandfathers were in the Army and were never convicted of serial killings; nor did they ever kill anyone I am aware of.

My father was in the Army for 22 years; he has never been convicted of killing anyone, nor has he killed anyone I am aware of.

I am IN the Army and - while I have been shot at, and shot at others in the line of duty (don't think I hit anyone..) - I have NEVER been convicted of killing anyone, and to be honest, I can't see it happening.

And just to make your poor head spin EVEN MORE; not only am I IN the Army, but I AM A MASSIVE FAN OF COMPUTER GAMES TOO!

And STILL, I don't feel the need to kill anyone who isn't trying to kill me... whatever next?!

Oh, and here's a cheeky idea for you; why not add up the number of convicted serial killers who have Military Service in America from 1950 to present, then subtract it from the TOTAL number of personnel who have served with the American military for the same period?

Morrigan

9th June 2008, 01:34 PM

I hate war too.

Anyway it's just like the whole stupid thing with innuendo in songs. "naw man, he's talking about eating a cherry pie." If you think that there is not a subliminal message in that then you are naive.

Many games probably have them.

You have NO idea what a subliminal message is, don't you? By the way, they don't work.

In the game, the creators made a code that you can "cheat" and skip levels. The hidden message is that you can cheat in the game. The message is cheat on your wife, cheat in life and cheat on your taxes.
............
Okay, we have a new troll. :newlol :newlol :newlol

dudalb

9th June 2008, 01:36 PM

I thought that RPIR was a troll for some time, but I have come to the conclusion that he the genuine artical" A total fruitcake. He is just too persistent for a troll.

SatansMaleVoiceChoir

9th June 2008, 01:39 PM

You have NO idea what a subliminal message is, don't you? By the way, they don't work.

............
Okay, we have a new troll. :newlol :newlol :newlol

Selina Place? Is that you?

Sorry for the derail in a thread with loose enough wheels as it is!

ronpaulisright

9th June 2008, 02:45 PM

abenja1

9th June 2008, 02:48 PM

You're a baby killer. And so are your grandfathers.

RPIR, I enjoy debating your asinine misguided views, but one thing I never put up with is personal attacks of this nature. I have reported this post and am telling you to refrain from future statements in my threads.

ronpaulisright

9th June 2008, 02:52 PM

Uh, you know that Ron Paul served in the US Air Force, don't you?
I served in the US Army and really resent your insults.
Congratulations. You have gone 1000 posts in about six weeks and have yet to make one valid point in any of them..except that you do not know what you are talking about.
Excuse me while I boot up "Half Life 2" and kick some Alien/MIB butt.

They're not insults, they're observations. Let bill hicks tell you where I'm coming from.

Np6_b-72H3E

From :30 on, is for you.

Do not make personal attacks and do not change member names as a form of insult

Ron Paul was in the Air force during the Viet Nam war. I knew that. He was a surgeon in the military. What's your point? He's not on death row.

I made an observation that most death row members have military backgrounds and I stand by it.

ronpaulisright

9th June 2008, 02:54 PM

RPIR, I enjoy debating your asinine misguided views, but one thing I never put up with is personal attacks of this nature. I have reported this post and am telling you to refrain from future statements in my threads.

Ok.

Don't mind the youtube post then.

You won't like it.

I hope I don't get banned.

I'm good.

If I get banned it's because sheep people don't like talking bad about their military that does god's work I suppose.

gumboot

9th June 2008, 03:10 PM

Ronpaulisright, I have reported two posts in a row from you. Remember your membership agreement, and keep the conversation civil. There's absolutely no justification for your personal attacks.

chillzero

9th June 2008, 03:10 PM

I want to see the civility and decency levels raised a severe amount in this thread, immediately.

ronpaulisright

9th June 2008, 03:14 PM

I love Jesus/allah/buddha/nanak/god/

Is that better?

abenja1

9th June 2008, 03:15 PM

I love Jesus/allah/buddha/nanak/god/

Is that better?

As a confessed agnostic you should have no love of any god. Now back on topic. Show us your study that you did. Proof is the magic word and you obviously don't know it.

abenja1

9th June 2008, 03:18 PM

Ok.

Don't mind the youtube post then.

You won't like it.

I hope I don't get banned.

I'm good.

If I get banned it's because sheep people don't like talking bad about their military that does god's work I suppose.

If your evidence that the military is nothing much more than a bunch of killers is Bill Hicks, I have evidence from Dennis Leary that the military is a bunch of amazing, hard working Americans.

gc051360

9th June 2008, 03:22 PM

I get the feeling that RPIR doesn't even know what a subliminal message is.

If I get banned it's because sheep people don't like talking bad about their military that does god's work I suppose.

You are a sheep person. You have admitted this. You've admitted to following Ron Paul blindly.

eta:

I made an observation that most death row members have military backgrounds and I stand by it.
You've presented no evidence for it. You made something up....and now you believe it to be the truth. That's the pattern with you. Your assumptions are proof of nothing. Get that through your head.

And. If you statistically show, that there is a significant amount of serial killers, and death row inmates that have military backgrounds; that still doesn't really prove anything. Because, someone pre-disposed to violence, may look to join the military for some reason. Either as a place that condones violence, and they can exercise this urge legally, or because they seek some kind of order, and think the military can help get their head straight somehow.

A W Smith

9th June 2008, 03:40 PM

RPIR I asked you for the list from your "study". Do you have it? Or not? If you do not produce the list of death row inmates a majority of whom have served in the military from your study I shall presume you are lying just as you lied about the AP report.

Drudgewire

9th June 2008, 03:47 PM

I'm having a bastard of a time trying to find anything online that suggests what percentage of Death Row inmates have military backgrounds, but there's very little chance it's a number even as high as the ratio of people in general to people in the military. Main reason for this? Vast majority of people waiting on DR were career criminals, and were either in juvy or prison by the time they could consider joining the service.

I ran through a few names off the top of my head and checked their backgrounds:

Ted Bundy: No military service
John Wayne Gacy: No military service
Henry Lee Lucas: No military service
Jeffrey Dahmer (never on death row, but still): No military service
Stanley "Tookie" Williams: No military service
Gary Gilmore: No military service
Donald "Pee Wee" Gaskins: No military service

I thought that RPIR was a troll for some time, but I have come to the conclusion that he the genuine artical" A total fruitcake. He is just too persistent for a troll.

Not a chance in hell. Most obvious gimmick poster I've ever seen last more than a week on here.

bynmdsue

9th June 2008, 03:50 PM

Dahmer-2 yrs U.S.Army discharged for excessive drinking

Drudgewire

9th June 2008, 03:53 PM

Dahmer-2 yrs U.S.Army discharged for excessive drinking

Stupid wiki or stupid me if I missed it. http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/fist4su.gif

HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP

9th June 2008, 04:03 PM

I must admit that i am a heavy gamer and do sometimes consider joining the Army because of my FPS gaming.

Then my brain kicks in and i realize i dont like to wake up early, especially before the sun rises. So i continue to game.....

hate the word "gamer".
It doesn't mean better things for a better living.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/21863484da7f624972.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=12482)

Pato2747

9th June 2008, 04:13 PM

Am I part of the NWO? Am I a serial killer?

No. And believe me, I DO play a lot of these violent games.

SatansMaleVoiceChoir

10th June 2008, 05:20 AM

RPIR, I enjoy debating your asinine misguided views, but one thing I never put up with is personal attacks of this nature. I have reported this post and am telling you to refrain from future statements in my threads.

I'm sorry, I appear to have missed RPIRs post before it was modded; did the Troll call me and my Grandfathers 'BabyKillers'?! :eye-poppi

Despite the fact that (as mentioned) none of us have ever killed anyone that we are aware of (illegally or in combat)?!

One Grandfather was an Ambulance Driver during WWII, and the other was a Despatch Rider who was so far back from The Front, he had to send his laundry forward.

Now talking personally, I'm pretty sure I'd remember killing a baby accidently or deliberately; and the only time I have been under fire/returned fire (in Belfast), I'm pretty sure it wasn't a baby pulling the trigger of what I perceived to have been an AK...

I'm amazed RPIR has lasted this long; not just on the Forum, but at Life too.