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Undesired Walrus
9th June 2008, 05:38 AM
Breaking away from the endless 9/11 threads, a fresh subject to talk about will probably be the current trial of the alleged transatlantic liquid bomb plotters, eight in all. It is a conspiracy theory, after all.

Abdulla Ahmed Ali has denied that he was planning to blow up himself and fellow passengers on airplanes in 2006, saying he:
wanted to set off a device in Parliament as a stunt, he told a jury.
He claims he never intended to kill anyone, and the list of airplane times was in relation to a bomb he was to detonate in heathrow near the boarding of those planes in question.

When questioned on the suicide videos, he delcared they were
"propaganda" he planned to post online.

He said homemade "suicide videos" made by himself and fellow defendants would have been combined with "graphic and shocking" internet footage to make a documentary with the aim of swaying public opinion on Britain's foreign policy.

The Westminster blast would have drummed up publicity for the documentary, which he planned to post on the YouTube website, he said.

So far, this resembles the claim of the five men found guilty for trying to detonate explosives on the 21st July 2007, claiming they were only meant to go 'pop' and never meant to kill anyone.

But when asked how he intended to detonate the explosives in a 'stunt', he said there would be a timer. There is no evidence of this timer.

A good point made yesterday was the following:

Mr Ali referred to his phrases as "just garbage" upon being questioned by officers outside Walthamstow town hall on 9 August 2006.

Among the notes discovered were the phrases: "five days before all link up", "calculate exact drops of Tang", "decide on which battery to use for D" and "dirty mag to distract".

The diary was discovered along with a computer memory stick which contained detailed flight lists, which Mr Ali referred to as "holiday destinations in America".

During cross-examination by prosecutor Peter Wright QC, Mr Ali was asked to remember the moment of his arrest.

The defendant said: "As far as I am aware, I don't remember telling any lies."

But, when asked to describe his explanation to police of not recalling the meaning of his various lists, Mr Ali said: "It is a lie."

The barrister also questioned the defendant on why he had not mentioned he had been making a propaganda video, as he has claimed, and that the entire plan was a hoax.

Mr Ali replied that he was "shaken up and quite shocked".

Mr Wright replied by saying: "You could have told the truth and chose not to."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7438796.stm
Bolding mine.

Well, here we have it, a fresh new conspiracy. What are your thoughts? Is he clearly fibbing, or is he telling the truth?

gtc
9th June 2008, 06:02 AM
I would imagine that suicide videos in a documentary would loose their impact if the suicidee was still alive.

Drudgewire
9th June 2008, 06:53 AM
Oh OK, it was just a joke. Funny stuff, you can go home now. v:)v

Undesired Walrus
9th June 2008, 07:01 AM
Was youtube even that well known in 2006?

Furi
9th June 2008, 07:41 AM
Gosh that is almost as funny as planning a robbery with a blank firing replica,
all aboard the rofltrain, stopping at Little Smirk on the laughinggear, Mirth, Snickerton, Guffaws (main Road), and terminate at Greater Chortling

SpitfireIX
9th June 2008, 08:53 AM
Was youtube even that well known in 2006?


Yes. From a USA Today article (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2006-07-16-youtube-views_x.htm):

YouTube videos account for 60% of all videos watched online, the company said. . . .

In June [2006], 2.5 billion videos were watched on YouTube, which is based in San Mateo, California and has just over 30 employees. More than 65,000 videos are now uploaded daily to YouTube, up from around 50,000 in May, the company said.

YouTube boasts nearly 20 million unique users per month, according to Nielsen//NetRatings, another Internet audience measurement firm.

Viper Daimao
9th June 2008, 12:16 PM
Even if what he said was true, it's still bad. Even if he didn't have the intent to kill anyone, he still knew it was a possible result. I can fire a gun and not mean to kill anybody, but if I do, I'm still going to prison.

It's been awhile since the law class I took, but we talked about a hypothetical that would apply to this. Say a guy says he's going to kill this guy bill by throwing a jelly bean at him. Ridiculous of course, but say he throws it and it gets lodged in his throat and bill chokes to death and our guy is thinking, holy crap I can't believe that killed him. He obviously didn't think that would kill him, but his actions still caused his death. I dunno if that would still be considered murder, or perhaps negligent homicide or something.

kookbreaker
9th June 2008, 01:49 PM
"Not a joke, a sales campaign!"

Aoidoi
9th June 2008, 03:40 PM
Interesting how many people are willing to blow themselves up but unwilling to plead guilty when prevented from doing so.

Brainache
9th June 2008, 04:33 PM
So, which one of these guys was an admin. on the old LC forum? Sounds like they spent a bit of time on the net...


That's my little personal CT. Sorry.

OldTigerCub
9th June 2008, 04:46 PM
If it were really a joke, it would have gone more like this, though:
u1irD0c9K34
:D

Whiplash
10th June 2008, 12:15 AM
"Not a joke, a sales campaign!"
Boss: I see, Frog.
Frog: S. Frog, sir.
Boss: Shut up. Now, let's have a look at the sales chart. (indicates a plummeting sales graph) When you took over this account, Frog, Conquistador were a brand leader. Here you introduced your first campaign, 'Conquistador coffee brings a new meaning to the word vomit'. Here you made your special introductory offer of a free dead dog with every jar, and this followed your second campaign 'the tingling fresh coffee which brings you exciting new cholera, mange, dropsy, the clap, hard pad and athlete's head. From the House of Conquistador'.
Frog: It was a soft-sell, sir
Boss: Why, Frog?
Frog: S. Frog, sir.
Boss: Shut up! Well?
Frog: Well, people know the name, sir.
Boss: They certainly do know the name - they burnt the factory down. The owner is hiding in the bathroom (shot heard) - the owner was hiding in my bathroom. (holds up 'joke' card again)
Frog: You're not going to fire me, sir?
Boss: Fire you? Three men dead, the factory burnt down, the account lost and our firm completely bankrupt, what... what... what ... can you possibly say? What excuse can you possibly make?
Frog: Sorry, father. (holds up the 'yoke' card)