There are 6,000 people in the Illuminati

[Blue_Sargasso]

I'm not a big believer in conspiracy theories, but I'm pretty convinced that the vast majority people in the world are made to dance to the tune of a tiny group of rich and powerful people. It doesn't really matter what this small group is called. The Illuminati is as good a name as any other. In a book called Superclass: The Global Power Elite and the World They are Making, David Rothkopf asserts that the world is effectively ruled by 6,000 people. I'm quite happy to equate Rothkopf's 6,000 with the Illuminati. Let me give you an example of how the Illuminati work. What they do isn't sinister or illegal...and many of us might be tempted to behave in the same way in the same circumstances...but what they do is incredibly dangerous for the health of our society.

My example is English Premier League football, the richest football league in the world. Several clubs are owned by billionaires. Total income last year was an impressive £1.5 billion, but the total debts of the EPL were an astonishing £2.5 billion. The debts are almost entirely attributable to the staggering amounts of money paid to footballers, managers, agents and members of the board. There is talk that Ronaldhino may sign for Manchester City and be paid £200,000 per week i.e. £10 million per year i.e. £40 million for a 4-year contract. When other leading players hear of this, they will of course demand the same.... and they will get it, and clubs will become even poorer even though even more money is pouring into football from TV, media and advertising contracts.

My point is this. Very few people are involved in setting salaries for top people. These people claim they are merely paying the "market rate". But who sets this market rate? Is it you or I? Definitely not. No, the people who set the rate are precisely those who benefit directly from setting the market rate as high as possible, higher even than the amount of revenue they are taking in. The economics of the madhouse. But who can stop them paying themselves whatever they want? You? Me? We have no power at all. People in Wall Street and the City can pay themselves anything they like. Chief executives receive astounding salaries and when they get fired for gross incompetence and for causing billions of pounds of losses, they still walk away with eye-watering severance packages. How is this possible? It's because we have allowed a tiny number of people - the Illuminati - the Shining Ones - to immerse themselves in the most obscene greed. There are no mechanisms to rein them back. None at all. So the rich are just getting richer. And where does the money come from them that keeps feeding them? Well, from us, naturally. If we want to watch football on TV or go to live games, we have to pay more and more.

It's the anti-Robin Hood effect. The Illuminati take from the poor and give to the rich. That's what the "conspiracy" is. It's a cartel of rich people in powerful positions doing their utmost to feather their own beds and making sure that governments put no brakes on them. They can make and break presidents and prime ministers, so everyone is terrified of challenging them. The media works for them to promote their interests and relentlessly push the myth of their brilliance.

I'm totally sick of it. I feel like a total sucker. I came across a website by some bunch called The Meritocracy Party who completely hate the super rich. Isn't it time we started supporting political parties who are explicitly opposed to the Illuminati? I have no time at all for conventional political parties. They are completely under the power of the Illuminati. Someone somewhere has to stop the unparalleled greed of the Illuminati. And don't forget, we are the ones paying for it. Are we really that stupid? It's time to do something about it.

[Drudgewire]

I feel like a total sucker.

And with good reason. :boggled:

[Viper Daimao]

Your evidence of this conspiracy is the law of supply and demand? Have you taken an economics class yet?

[BenBurch]

Ummm... The Bavarian Illuminati become the Ordo Templi Orientis, or so one story goes. I believe that 6000 is a bit small for the order's membership, but they do not rule the planet. In fact, they have a really hard time ruling the order.

Now, there are some very powerful people on this planet, but what gives them that power, and which is their common interest they often band together to preserve, is merely wealth.

Its no more complex than that.

[abenja1]

You know why rich people are rich? Because they make money. If you were making a million dollars every second, would that make you a member of the Illuminati?

[JimBenArm]

Well, I'm a member, and I don't have millions. Of course, I'm just in the junior auxilliary division, and have to wear a mascot costume. But hey, it's a living...

[CFLarsen]

...the world is effectively ruled by 6,000 people.

Can we have a total list of names of these people?

[JimBenArm]

Can we have a total list of names of these people?
Is it a coincidence that that's the number of people who post ON THIS FORUM???

[Pardalis]

Name one.

[Brainster]

David Rothkopf asserts that the world is effectively ruled by 6,000 people.

He's wrong. There are only nine of us.

[JimBenArm]

Name one.
Okay, I'll name the first one Zaphod. Just because it's a cool name.

[Pardalis]

Okay, I'll name the first one Zaphod. Just because it's a cool name.

I meant Blue_Sargasso should name one. :)

[CFLarsen]

Is it a coincidence that that's the number of people who post ON THIS FORUM???

SHHHHH!!! Don't give our secret away!!!

[Bobert]

WAKE UP BUSH LOYALIST SHEEPLE!!!!!!!

[Quad4_72]

Do these 6000 people coincidentally all agree on the same issues? Is their some sort of chain of command? Sounds a little far fetched to me. Is there a magical number of income that I have to make and then I become a part of this elite group? I wonder what the initiation is to get into this elite 6000....

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

I'm not a big believer in conspiracy theories, but I'm pretty convinced that the vast majority people in the world are made to dance to the tune of a tiny group of rich and powerful people. It doesn't really matter what this small group is called. The Illuminati is as good a name as any other. In a book called Superclass: The Global Power Elite and the World They are Making, David Rothkopf asserts that the world is effectively ruled by 6,000 people. I'm quite happy to equate Rothkopf's 6,000 with the Illuminati. Let me give you an example of how the Illuminati work. What they do isn't sinister or illegal...and many of us might be tempted to behave in the same way in the same circumstances...but what they do is incredibly dangerous for the health of our society.

My example is English Premier League football, the richest football league in the world. Several clubs are owned by billionaires. Total income last year was an impressive £1.5 billion, but the total debts of the EPL were an astonishing £2.5 billion. The debts are almost entirely attributable to the staggering amounts of money paid to footballers, managers, agents and members of the board. There is talk that Ronaldhino may sign for Manchester City and be paid £200,000 per week i.e. £10 million per year i.e. £40 million for a 4-year contract. When other leading players hear of this, they will of course demand the same.... and they will get it, and clubs will become even poorer even though even more money is pouring into football from TV, media and advertising contracts.

My point is this. Very few people are involved in setting salaries for top people. These people claim they are merely paying the "market rate". But who sets this market rate? Is it you or I? Definitely not. No, the people who set the rate are precisely those who benefit directly from setting the market rate as high as possible, higher even than the amount of revenue they are taking in. The economics of the madhouse. But who can stop them paying themselves whatever they want? You? Me? We have no power at all. People in Wall Street and the City can pay themselves anything they like. Chief executives receive astounding salaries and when they get fired for gross incompetence and for causing billions of pounds of losses, they still walk away with eye-watering severance packages. How is this possible? It's because we have allowed a tiny number of people - the Illuminati - the Shining Ones - to immerse themselves in the most obscene greed. There are no mechanisms to rein them back. None at all. So the rich are just getting richer. And where does the money come from them that keeps feeding them? Well, from us, naturally. If we want to watch football on TV or go to live games, we have to pay more and more.

It's the anti-Robin Hood effect. The Illuminati take from the poor and give to the rich. That's what the "conspiracy" is. It's a cartel of rich people in powerful positions doing their utmost to feather their own beds and making sure that governments put no brakes on them. They can make and break presidents and prime ministers, so everyone is terrified of challenging them. The media works for them to promote their interests and relentlessly push the myth of their brilliance.

I'm totally sick of it. I feel like a total sucker. I came across a website by some bunch called The Meritocracy Party who completely hate the super rich. Isn't it time we started supporting political parties who are explicitly opposed to the Illuminati? I have no time at all for conventional political parties. They are completely under the power of the Illuminati. Someone somewhere has to stop the unparalleled greed of the Illuminati. And don't forget, we are the ones paying for it. Are we really that stupid? It's time to do something about it.

Sorry, all that seemed to come through there was paranoia and low-level impotent rage against those richer than you.

[1337m4n]

But who sets this market rate? Is it you or I? Definitely not.

That's it? That's your big "evidence" that 6000 people control everything in the entire world?

No, there is a much more realistic answer to the question of who sets market rates: Nobody. That's how capitalism works.

For instance, if cheese prices go up, the price of pizza will go down. Why is this? It is not because there is some powerful elite in control of the world's supply of pizza and cheese. It is because cheese and pizza are complementary goods--you can't have pizza without cheese. As cheese prices go up, the demand for cheese will drop, which in turn affects the prices of every product and service that is dependent upon cheese.

If you took even a high school level economics class, you would understand that the answer to "who sets this market rate" is nobody.

[Hokulele]

If you took even a high school level economics class, you would understand that the answer to "who sets this market rate" is nobody.


Or, you could argue that the answer is everybody. ;)

[ElMondoHummus]

I meant Blue_Sargasso should name one. :)

No, you meant that Blue_Sargasso should provide the name of a member, right? :D I mean, I can slap any name on any member of any group I want, but that doesn't help with identification. "Hey! That guy, the quarterback for the Indianapolis Colts. I'm naming him "Joe Schmoe!"

[dudalb]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati_%28Marvel_Comics%29

This about as realistic and factual as the other Illumanati theories.

[Tippit]

My point is this. Very few people are involved in setting salaries for top people. These people claim they are merely paying the "market rate". But who sets this market rate? Is it you or I? Definitely not. No, the people who set the rate are precisely those who benefit directly from setting the market rate as high as possible, higher even than the amount of revenue they are taking in. The economics of the madhouse. But who can stop them paying themselves whatever they want? You? Me? We have no power at all.



To the extent that you voluntarily subsidize professional sports, you are setting it. If you don't like pro-athlete/franchise owner compensation, then don't subsidize it. Of course, the problem with this is that your subsidies are not all completely voluntary. If you subscribe to cable television, you're subsidizing it whether you're a sports fan or not, because of the huge contracts negotiated between cable companies and sports leagues. If you stop in regularly at your local bar to buy a beer, you're subsidizing it, because the bar owner subscribes to cable TV (and often pay-per view) and these costs are either passed on directly or indirectly to his bar patrons. If you patronize stores or buy products from "official sponsors" of any given sports league, you're subsidizing them. Thus, to avoid supporting them entirely would require boycotting a lot of products and activities that even the most virulent anti-sports individual would have trouble doing, and I suppose that is the biggest problem.



People in Wall Street and the City can pay themselves anything they like. Chief executives receive astounding salaries and when they get fired for gross incompetence and for causing billions of pounds of losses, they still walk away with eye-watering severance packages. How is this possible?



It's possible because there is virtually no shareholder accountability, and no shareholder activism, and this is due mostly to faults in the corporate structure, and also a side effect of the corrupt monetary system in general.



It's the anti-Robin Hood effect. The Illuminati take from the poor and give to the rich. That's what the "conspiracy" is. It's a cartel of rich people in powerful positions doing their utmost to feather their own beds and making sure that governments put no brakes on them. They can make and break presidents and prime ministers, so everyone is terrified of challenging them. The media works for them to promote their interests and relentlessly push the myth of their brilliance.



The Illuminati was a secret society that existed under Adam Weishaupt. There is little evidence that would convince any of the skeptics on this forum that they exist today. I have no doubt these people exist, but I wouldn't necessarily refer to them as such - a rose by any other name...



I'm totally sick of it. I feel like a total sucker. I came across a website by some bunch called The Meritocracy Party who completely hate the super rich. Isn't it time we started supporting political parties who are explicitly opposed to the Illuminati? I have no time at all for conventional political parties. They are completely under the power of the Illuminati. Someone somewhere has to stop the unparalleled greed of the Illuminati. And don't forget, we are the ones paying for it. Are we really that stupid? It's time to do something about it.

The biggest problem to solve is to reform the utterly corrupt monetary system we have in the world today. Learn about the Federal Reserve and the Bank of England, and who benefits from these systems. That's the key.

[CurtC]

The lack of control of executive compensation can be at least partially attributed to the anti-takeover legislation passed in the 1980s after a takeover-mania and takeover-phobia took the nation. A significant correction mechanism for executive compensation was the threat of a hostile takeover. Laws in the 1980s made these much harder to occur, and after that, compensation has skyrocketed. There are certainly other causes as well, but it's still market forces interacting with government legislation, not Illuminati.

[twinstead]

Isn't 6000 the same number of years some creationists think the Earth is old? Coincidence? I think not.

[Loss Leader]

My point is this. Very few people are involved in setting salaries for top people. These people claim they are merely paying the "market rate". But who sets this market rate? Is it you or I? Definitely not. No, the people who set the rate are precisely those who benefit directly from setting the market rate as high as possible, higher even than the amount of revenue they are taking in. The economics of the madhouse. But who can stop them paying themselves whatever they want? You? Me? We have no power at all. People in Wall Street and the City can pay themselves anything they like. Chief executives receive astounding salaries and when they get fired for gross incompetence and for causing billions of pounds of losses, they still walk away with eye-watering severance packages. How is this possible? It's because we have allowed a tiny number of people - the Illuminati - the Shining Ones - to immerse themselves in the most obscene greed. There are no mechanisms to rein them back. None at all. So the rich are just getting richer. And where does the money come from them that keeps feeding them? Well, from us, naturally. If we want to watch football on TV or go to live games, we have to pay more and more.



Other than the fact that none of this is right, it's an absolutely excellent essay.

[bynmdsue]

Other than the fact that none of this is right, it's an absolutely excellent essay.

Zing!

[Bobert]

Isn't 6000 the same number of years some creationists think the Earth is old? Coincidence? I think not.

I believe at one point they tried to implicate the Sun in the events at the Pentagon so maybe it wouldn't be a stretch to blame planet earth for the events of 9-11?

[Aoidoi]

I'm reasonably certain that UK soccer is not evidence of a global cabal.

[HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP]

I'm not a big believer in conspiracy theories,
Are you sure?

but I'm pretty convinced that the vast majority people in the world are made to dance to the tune of a tiny group of rich and powerful people.
So you are a believer.


I'm totally sick of it. I feel like a total sucker. Are we really that stupid? It's time to do something about it.
do something about it! posting in an internet forum is meanningless!

[JimBenArm]

I suggest setting your hair on fire, running out into the street and yelling "Alarm, alarm!" That always helps set thing right with the world.

[dudalb]

I suggest setting your hair on fire, running out into the street and yelling "Alarm, alarm!" That always helps set thing right with the world.

When In Worry,
When In Doubt,
Run In Circles,
Scream And Shout.

[Brainache]

I think these 6000 super rich power people need to be reined in. So I think we need a one world government to regulate them and the big multi-national corporations. How's that for a solution BlueSargasso? Imagine having an international governing body that everyone in the world can vote for!! YAY, problem solved...

[parky76]

Yes, 95% of the world does work to make the other 5% very wealthy.

But no, its not a conspiracy. Its just the unfairness of our world.

[gtc]

I think the following anecdote could help to (ahem) illuminate the topic.

Last night I went to a Persian bakery in Sydney, Australia to buy some spiced bread (looks like a pizza but only has garlic, herbs and spices, called something like Manna Oosh); the store was selling a Malaysian soft drink called 'Real Power' with the logo of Real Madrid football club on the side.


ETA: I didn't say it was an interesting anecdote.

[LibraryLady]

I'm not a big believer in conspiracy theories, but I'm pretty convinced that the vast majority people in the world are made to dance to the tune of a tiny group of rich and powerful people.

Actually, that is pretty much the definition of a believer in conspiracy theories.


My example is English Premier League football, the richest football league in the world. Several clubs are owned by billionaires. Total income last year was an impressive £1.5 billion, but the total debts of the EPL were an astonishing £2.5 billion. The debts are almost entirely attributable to the staggering amounts of money paid to footballers, managers, agents and members of the board. There is talk that Ronaldhino may sign for Manchester City and be paid £200,000 per week i.e. £10 million per year i.e. £40 million for a 4-year contract. When other leading players hear of this, they will of course demand the same.... and they will get it, and clubs will become even poorer even though even more money is pouring into football from TV, media and advertising contracts.

In the library where I work, most of the full time staff earns an average of about $40,000, but the Director, Assistant Director, and the Division Chiefs earn significantly more--the Director earns about 4 times that much. Conspiracy or Ability?

My point is this. Very few people are involved in setting salaries for top people. These people claim they are merely paying the "market rate". But who sets this market rate? Is it you or I? Definitely not. No, the people who set the rate are precisely those who benefit directly from setting the market rate as high as possible, higher even than the amount of revenue they are taking in. The economics of the madhouse. But who can stop them paying themselves whatever they want? You? Me? We have no power at all.

Sure we do. It's called a boycott. Ask the lettuce growers in California about it.

People in Wall Street and the City can pay themselves anything they like. Chief executives receive astounding salaries and when they get fired for gross incompetence and for causing billions of pounds of losses, they still walk away with eye-watering severance packages. How is this possible?

There are some crooked people out there. Doesn't mean it's a conspiracy. Sorry.

It's because we have allowed a tiny number of people - the Illuminati - the Shining Ones - to immerse themselves in the most obscene greed. There are no mechanisms to rein them back. None at all. So the rich are just getting richer. And where does the money come from them that keeps feeding them? Well, from us, naturally. If we want to watch football on TV or go to live games, we have to pay more and more.

Well, like the others, I'm waiting to see a list of names. Even just 3 out of the 6000 would be helpful.

It's the anti-Robin Hood effect. The Illuminati take from the poor and give to the rich. That's what the "conspiracy" is. It's a cartel of rich people in powerful positions doing their utmost to feather their own beds and making sure that governments put no brakes on them. They can make and break presidents and prime ministers, so everyone is terrified of challenging them. The media works for them to promote their interests and relentlessly push the myth of their brilliance.


The media does work for some of the rich people--the rich people own it. No conspiracy, just capitalism and bad journalism combining.

I'm totally sick of it. I feel like a total sucker. I came across a website by some bunch called The Meritocracy Party who completely hate the super rich. Isn't it time we started supporting political parties who are explicitly opposed to the Illuminati? I have no time at all for conventional political parties. They are completely under the power of the Illuminati. Someone somewhere has to stop the unparalleled greed of the Illuminati. And don't forget, we are the ones paying for it. Are we really that stupid? It's time to do something about it.

Have fun.

[ElMondoHummus]

There are 6,000 people in the Illuminati

... and 6 million idiots on the internet who believe in them.

[Hokulele]

I suggest setting your hair on fire, running out into the street and yelling "Alarm, alarm!" That always helps set thing right with the world.


That would certainly explain the large number of bald people these days.

[DavidS]

Name one.
Some of us are killed, but all of us are called Zem, so we never know which and globbering is thus kept to a minimum.
/Adams

[LightinDarkness]

I'm not a big believer in conspiracy theories, but I'm pretty convinced that the vast majority people in the world are made to dance to the tune of a tiny group of rich and powerful people.

One of these things is not like the other. If you actually believe the second part of this sentence, then the first past is not true.

The source of this kind of conspiracy theory is simple: populism. It is the bread and butter of Illuminati conspiracy. People have a deep, deep desire to create imaginary conflict between them and the elite, mostly because they are looking to outside sources to explain why they themselves are not as wealthy, influential, or elite as they think they should be.

[Coffee]

I'm not a big believer in conspiracy theories, but I'm pretty convinced that the vast majority people in the world are made to dance to the tune of a tiny group of rich and powerful people. It doesn't really matter what this small group is called. The Illuminati is as good a name as any other. In a book called Superclass: The Global Power Elite and the World They are Making, David Rothkopf asserts that the world is effectively ruled by 6,000 people. I'm quite happy to equate Rothkopf's 6,000 with the Illuminati. Let me give you an example of how the Illuminati work. What they do isn't sinister or illegal...and many of us might be tempted to behave in the same way in the same circumstances...but what they do is incredibly dangerous for the health of our society.

My example is English Premier League football, the richest football league in the world. Several clubs are owned by billionaires. Total income last year was an impressive £1.5 billion, but the total debts of the EPL were an astonishing £2.5 billion. The debts are almost entirely attributable to the staggering amounts of money paid to footballers, managers, agents and members of the board. There is talk that Ronaldhino may sign for Manchester City and be paid £200,000 per week i.e. £10 million per year i.e. £40 million for a 4-year contract. When other leading players hear of this, they will of course demand the same.... and they will get it, and clubs will become even poorer even though even more money is pouring into football from TV, media and advertising contracts.

My point is this. Very few people are involved in setting salaries for top people. These people claim they are merely paying the "market rate". But who sets this market rate? Is it you or I? Definitely not. No, the people who set the rate are precisely those who benefit directly from setting the market rate as high as possible, higher even than the amount of revenue they are taking in. The economics of the madhouse. But who can stop them paying themselves whatever they want? You? Me? We have no power at all. People in Wall Street and the City can pay themselves anything they like. Chief executives receive astounding salaries and when they get fired for gross incompetence and for causing billions of pounds of losses, they still walk away with eye-watering severance packages. How is this possible? It's because we have allowed a tiny number of people - the Illuminati - the Shining Ones - to immerse themselves in the most obscene greed. There are no mechanisms to rein them back. None at all. So the rich are just getting richer. And where does the money come from them that keeps feeding them? Well, from us, naturally. If we want to watch football on TV or go to live games, we have to pay more and more.

It's the anti-Robin Hood effect. The Illuminati take from the poor and give to the rich. That's what the "conspiracy" is. It's a cartel of rich people in powerful positions doing their utmost to feather their own beds and making sure that governments put no brakes on them. They can make and break presidents and prime ministers, so everyone is terrified of challenging them. The media works for them to promote their interests and relentlessly push the myth of their brilliance.

I'm totally sick of it. I feel like a total sucker. I came across a website by some bunch called The Meritocracy Party who completely hate the super rich. Isn't it time we started supporting political parties who are explicitly opposed to the Illuminati? I have no time at all for conventional political parties. They are completely under the power of the Illuminati. Someone somewhere has to stop the unparalleled greed of the Illuminati. And don't forget, we are the ones paying for it. Are we really that stupid? It's time to do something about it.


Believe it or not you are a believer in a CT.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

My point is this. Very few people are involved in setting salaries for top people. These people claim they are merely paying the "market rate". But who sets this market rate? Is it you or I? Definitely not. No, the people who set the rate are precisely those who benefit directly from setting the market rate as high as possible, higher even than the amount of revenue they are taking in.


Uhh... the players?

Chief executives receive astounding salaries and when they get fired for gross incompetence and for causing billions of pounds of losses, they still walk away with eye-watering severance packages. How is this possible? It's because we have allowed a tiny number of people - the Illuminati - the Shining Ones - to immerse themselves in the most obscene greed.


If this is your standard for identifying members of the Illuminati, there are a lot more than 6,000 members.

[Bobert]

MAN who do I gotta kill to be part of this 6k?

[abenja1]

Where does the number 6000 come from? Maybe its 5999 or 6001 members.

[BenBurch]

Where does the number 6000 come from? Maybe its 5999 or 6001 members.

In the end, there can be only one.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0b/Highlander_1_poster.jpg

[pomeroo]

WAKE UP BUSH LOYALIST SHEEPLE!!!!!!!



Show some consideration. Some of us are trying to sleep.

[ElMondoHummus]

Well, I'm a member, and I don't have millions. Of course, I'm just in the junior auxilliary division, and have to wear a mascot costume. But hey, it's a living...

I know. It's the Bo Peep costume that's the most humiliating. I mean it's got garters and all that under a really short skirt...

...uh... whaaaaaaaadaya mean no one else has ever worn it before?...

[gtc]

I'm sorry but my orders were to give you the full 'clinger'. Heck they even got me to zhoosh it up a bit.

[Bobert]

Show some consideration. Some of us are trying to sleep.
:D

[Sparky]

Was this just a drive-by post by Blue Sargasso? He certainly didn't stay long.

[HawksFan]

Someone cue the "Bright Side of Life" song by Monty Python, please, in 3...2..1...

[Cobalt]

Is it a coincidence that that's the number of people who post ON THIS FORUM???

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.


Anyway, why 6000?

[KingMerv00]

I see someone is excited about the new Metal Gear game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Patriots#The_Patriots) coming out.

[shuize]

'm not a big believer in conspiracy theories, but...


Much like statements that begin with "I'm not a racist but ..." any post that starts with "I'm not a big believer in conspiracy theories, but ..." should give the reader a pretty big clue as to what's coming next.

[fuelair]

WAKE UP BUSH LOYALIST SHEEPLE!!!!!!!
Who you callin' a bush loyalist there fella???!!!

[Elizabeth I]

One of these things is not like the other. If you actually believe the second part of this sentence, then the first past is not true.

The source of this kind of conspiracy theory is simple: populism. It is the bread and butter of Illuminati conspiracy. People have a deep, deep desire to create imaginary conflict between them and the elite, mostly because they are looking to outside sources to explain why they themselves are not as wealthy, influential, or elite as they think they should be.

Welcome, LightinDarkness. Good post.

MAN who do I gotta kill to be part of this 6k?

It doesn't matter because the rest of us get to vote on whether you get in or not.

[T.A.M.]

Well I quit the group last week, so make that 5999.

TAM;)

[JimBenArm]

Well I quit the group last week, so make that 5999.

TAM;)
Bobert! We have an opening!

Now, where did I leave that Bo-Peep costume?

[Cobalt]

I see someone is excited about the new Metal Gear game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Patriots#The_Patriots) coming out.

I thought about bringing that up, and in the end didn't.

Considering They've all been dead for 200 years, according to MGS2.

But really, who are these 6000 people anyway?

[JonnyFive]

Where does the number 6000 come from? Maybe its 5999 or 6001 members.

According to the latest count, we they have 6,057 members, plus another 11 that are currently undergoing the initial screening and probationary period.

I've said to much. Ask any more and I may be forced to manipulate the financial markets to force you all into dirt farming in East Crapizikstan.

[timhau]

MAN who do I gotta kill to be part of this 6k?

Depends on how far down on the waiting list you are.

[Bobert]

Is there still an opening!!!!!

[JonnyFive]

Is there still an opening!!!!!

There will be when we kick Blue Sargasso out for blabbing too much.