John Connor and the resistance

[~enigma~]

This idiot gotta be kidding. Sending spam to the troops in Iraq!!!!

Dice being an idiot on Fox news (http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=1292109&referralPlaylistId=search%7Cdice)

ETA - How sad. The morons over at LCF think this was a great idea. Shall we start the truth movement deathclock now?

[negativ]

If we could get the guys down in the NWO A.I. lab to actually do some work and not just play World of Warcraft all day, we could get this problem handled.

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[fezzic]

Foxnews Article (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,365401,00.html)on the same (in case one doesn't care to view video).

[abenja1]

The Resistance a "media watchdog group." HA! BS.

[Walter Ego]

Foxnews Article (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,365401,00.html)on the same (in case one doesn't care to view video).


Here's the video on You Tube (in case you don't want to view the commercial on the Fox video).

The audio quality is a bit poor, though.

l-FwDEuVp78

[~enigma~]

What kind of idiots think that it was a good idea to bring up the NWO? If the truther morons thought they were trivialized and made to look stupid by the media in the past...wonder how they are gonna like what happens now. The truth (bowel) movement deathclock has started :)

[Pardalis]

That's treason pure and simple.

[Bobert]

LOL
"we want them to join the 9-11 truth movement"
What a tool.
She looked like she wanted to slap the $hit out of Dice.
This is the greatest thing that could have happened to discredit the truth movement.
Mark wants to send the Troops truther DVD's
LOL!!!!!!!!!
"Why would they care what you and a couple of kooks send them in the mail"

[Pardalis]

He's, undermining the work of the troops, isn't that a federal offense?

[~enigma~]

He's, undermining the work of the troops, isn't that a federal offense?All I can say is if he continues with his bs AFTER it was aired nationwide, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he proved the urban legend about the spammer who was murdered by having a can of spam shoved down his throat true. He must realize what a MAJORLY stupid thing he did by appearing on the news with his moronic diatribe.

[Stellafane]

He's, undermining the work of the troops, isn't that a federal offense?

If I'm not mistaken, it's a capital offense.

This is what kills me about these nitwits. If the U.S. was one iota as evil as they claim, they'd have been eliminated long before this.

[~enigma~]

If I'm not mistaken, it's a capital offense.

This is what kills me about these nitwits. If the U.S. was one iota as evil as they claim, they'd have been eliminated long before this.
Some people are not satisfied with suicide by mod...

[gdnp]

That's treason pure and simple.

Sorry, it's not clear to me how this is treason. I suppose that if they knew the information that they were disseminating was false and were doing it for the purpose of demoralizing the troops it would be treason, like Tokyo Rose. But if these idiots truly believe this BS then I would think it would be constitutionally protected free speech.

I would hate to see someone charged with treason for stating to the troops the opinion that Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld are war criminals and deserve to be tried as such. Or, for that matter, that the regime they deposed in Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 in the first place.

[~enigma~]

Sorry, it's not clear to me how this is treason. I suppose that if they knew the information that they were disseminating was false and were doing it for the purpose of demoralizing the troops it would be treason, like Tokyo Rose. But if these idiots truly believe this BS then I would think it would be constitutionally protected free speech.

I would hate to see someone charged with treason for stating to the troops the opinion that Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld are war criminals and deserve to be tried as such. Or, for that matter, that the regime they deposed in Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 in the first place.
Least of their worries is mail fraud and misuse of the postal system. The deathclock has just been advanced quite a bit.

[Bobert]

Oh man the LCF is getting moist over Dice.
Gotta love it!
Dom though may be on to something.....
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=89894&t=337730
they must have told her to start talking over you if you mention operation northwoods.......

[~enigma~]

Sorry, it's not clear to me how this is treason. I suppose that if they knew the information that they were disseminating was false and were doing it for the purpose of demoralizing the troops it would be treason, like Tokyo Rose. But if these idiots truly believe this BS then I would think it would be constitutionally protected free speech.

I would hate to see someone charged with treason for stating to the troops the opinion that Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld are war criminals and deserve to be tried as such. Or, for that matter, that the regime they deposed in Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 in the first place.
You seem to forget. Dice's bs is entirely unsolicited. Last I heard, it really was not a good idea to screw around with the military.

[Axiom_Blade]

"blah blah, 9-11 truth, blah blah"
"troops are winning, blah blah, you're a kook, blah blah"
3 moronic talking heads.
There was nobody in that video who I did not want to slap.

I don't see troops turning into truthers as being that far-fetched, actually. Just supplant one form of brainwashing for another.

[Pardalis]

But if these idiots truly believe this BS then I would think it would be constitutionally protected free speech.

Timothy McVeigh probably believed in his crap, look where it got him.

[Lensman]

Sorry, it's not clear to me how this is treason. I suppose that if they knew the information that they were disseminating was false and were doing it for the purpose of demoralizing the troops it would be treason, like Tokyo Rose. But if these idiots truly believe this BS then I would think it would be constitutionally protected free speech.

I would hate to see someone charged with treason for stating to the troops the opinion that Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld are war criminals and deserve to be tried as such. Or, for that matter, that the regime they deposed in Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 in the first place.

Was Tokyo Rose an American citizen/national? If not, then what she did wasn't treason.

Treason is betraying your OWN country, not an enemy country.

[SezMe]

His beliefs got him nowhere. His act resulting in death did.

ETA: Responding to Post #18

[Pardalis]

His beliefs got him nowhere. His act resulting in death did.

ETA: Responding to Post #18

His beliefs got him to commit the act, was my point.

If Dice's beliefs make him willingly undermine the efforts of US troops, then he's accountable for it. No freedom of speech there.

[dudalb]

Was Tokyo Rose an American citizen/national? If not, then what she did wasn't treason.

Treason is betraying your OWN country, not an enemy country.

Tokyo Rose was an American Citizen.
She was prosecuted after the war, but got off with a couple of years in prison.
I don't know if what these idiots did is treason, but it sure is stupid.
The only good these letters will do is if one of the GIs in Iraq is reading it in the toilet,and they have ran out of toilet paper.

[dudalb]

"blah blah, 9-11 truth, blah blah"
"troops are winning, blah blah, you're a kook, blah blah"
3 moronic talking heads.
There was nobody in that video who I did not want to slap.

I don't see troops turning into truthers as being that far-fetched, actually. Just supplant one form of brainwashing for another.

Thanks a lot for insulting anybody who served in the US military.
I ma beginning to think you are opposed to the Twoofers not because of any real disagreement with their basic agenda of some kind of bizarre revolution, but because they are so openly stupid.

[fezzic]

Tokyo Rose was an American Citizen.
She was prosecuted after the war, but got off with a couple of years in prison.
I don't know if what these idiots did is treason, but it sure is stupid.
The only good these letters will do is if one of the GIs in Iraq is reading it in the toilet,and they have ran out of toilet paper.

She was pardoned in 1977 by President Ford because it was discovered that the witnesses against her (on the count she was convicted of) lied (under orders from the FBI or something).

[Axiom_Blade]

Thanks a lot for insulting anybody who served in the US military.


Hey, I could've been a twoofer at one time, too.
I also could've been in the military.

You don't think the military keeps a tight control over the propaganda their troops are exposed to?


I ma beginning to think you are opposed to the Twoofers not because of any real disagreement with their basic agenda of some kind of bizarre revolution, but because they are so openly stupid.

What does this mean?
I'm all for "bizarre revolutions", depending on if I get to pick the type of bizarre, and the type of revolution. In case you're wondering, though, I don't approve of violent revolutions. But those aren't very bizarre, anyway---I think if you look at history, you'll see they're quite common.

The twoofers just want people to believe their crap and join their cult, that's it. Nothing revolutionary about it.

[Unsecured Coins]

Remind me to publicly announce my mailing address for when I get sent over there.

[technoextreme]

If we could get the guys down in the NWO A.I. lab to actually do some work and not just play World of Warcraft all day, we could get this problem handled.

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No, no, no. Mark Dice thinks this is a problem:
WPqkAYGlynI
Wait until he meets my army of personal robots. Muahahahahahah. Muahahahhahahaha. Muahahahahhaha. There is one thing that you don't do Mr Dice and that is anger the guy who could build an actual horde of Terminators. You just annoyed one mad engineer and by mad I mean angry and crazy . Muaahahahhahahaha...... Muahahahahahhaah.... Muahahahahhaahahah.... Bikini girls won't help me change my mind Mr. Dice.

[Bobert]

You don't think the military keeps a tight control over the propaganda their troops are exposed to?.

You say this yet here we have Dice sending out his BS propaganda.
If you think that there is a person checking all of the packages that arrrive to the troops for CONTENT you are clueless.
They check for CONTRABAND but are too busy to worry about content.
You have been watching one too many Matrix type movies.

[OldTigerCub]

Remind me to publicly announce my mailing address for when I get sent over there.

We at the NWO don't need it! We got you "micro-chipped", remember?:cool:

[Bobert]

I just submitted the proper memo to get you unlimited lap dances with that chip UC!

[T.A.M.]

Could he not be charged with attempting to insight a mutiny, or something along that line?

TAM:)

[parky76]

whats next? suggesting troops frag their commanding officers and stage a general mutiny, and return to the usa as a "liberating army" to depose the neo-cons, freemasons, zionists, and homosexuals?

[Horatius]

That's treason pure and simple.



Actually, I think it's more along the lines of "Sedition". (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition)



The difference between sedition and treason consists primarily in the subjective ultimate object of the violation to the public peace. Sedition does not consist of levying war against a government nor of adhering to its enemies, giving enemies aid, and giving enemies comfort. Nor does it consist, in most representative democracies, of peaceful protest against a government, nor of attempting to change the government by democratic means (such as direct democracy or constitutional convention).

Put simply, sedition is the stirring up of rebellion against the government in power. Treason is the violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or state and has to do with giving aid to enemies or levying war. Sedition is more about encouraging the people to rebel, where treason is actually betraying the country.

[abenja1]

Hypothetically and god forbid soldiers started to believe this stuff and then chose to attack and kill their commanding officers then could Mark Dice get in trouble?

[gdnp]

Actually, I think it's more along the lines of "Sedition". (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition)

Unfortunately, the contents of the letters and DVDs he is sending were not disclosed. The most seditious thing I heard him say was that troops should question their superiors about what really happened. He did not say they should join the enemy, or even desert. He just said they should question their superiors.

Sure, Dice is a nut. I agree with what the guy from Veterans for Freedom said, most of these letters will end up in the latrine. Where they belong.

I don't think what Dice said on Fox comes close to sedition, though. Nor does sending letters to the troops challenging the government's version of 9/11t. Libel, perhaps, but not sedition.

I'm sure Bush and Cheney would like to declare him an enemy combatant, suspend habeas corpus, and send him to Gitmo. I happen to think that doing so to an American citizen violates the constitution, and could therefore be considered seditious. Or at least impeachable.

[Horatius]

I don't think what Dice said on Fox comes close to sedition, though. Nor does sending letters to the troops challenging the government's version of 9/11t. Libel, perhaps, but not sedition.




I'd be happy for a Judge to decide.

[gumboot]

Sorry, it's not clear to me how this is treason. I suppose that if they knew the information that they were disseminating was false and were doing it for the purpose of demoralizing the troops it would be treason, like Tokyo Rose. But if these idiots truly believe this BS then I would think it would be constitutionally protected free speech.

I would hate to see someone charged with treason for stating to the troops the opinion that Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld are war criminals and deserve to be tried as such. Or, for that matter, that the regime they deposed in Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 in the first place.




Typically treason has to entail either directly opposing your own military by force or directly assisting the enemy forces materially. This sounds more like hindering your own forces, which I don't think would qualify as treason.

Think of it as the same as the difference between murder (directly opposing your own military by force), conspiracy to commit murder or being an accessory (directly assisting the enemy forces materially), and obstruction (hindering your own forces).

[VespaGuy]

Ahhh Dice, my favorite truther. He's always been tops on my list as most-likely-to-do-something-really-really-dumb-and-illegal.

I actually wish they had given him more time; he was just starting to get worked up. A few more minutes and he would have started ranting about the anti-christ, the NWO, Fema camps and Satan. By keeping the interview short, they almost gave the impression that he wasn't completely insane. Almost.

And "the resistance" has 3,000 members? C'mon. The entire truth movement doesn't have that many people left. Dice himself has to make posts on LCF and refer to himself in third person to give him some semblence of importance. Vespaguy thinks he's a nut.

ETA: I just read Dice's self-penned "press release". Is it even clear if he's sent letters to the troops? It only says they are "planning" on sending letters and DVDs.

[CHF]

"20-25% of the Marines believe 9/11 was an inside job."

Sure they do Mark.

[Pardalis]

Unfortunately, the contents of the letters and DVDs he is sending were not disclosed. The most seditious thing I heard him say was that troops should question their superiors about what really happened. He did not say they should join the enemy, or even desert. He just said they should question their superiors.

No, he's accusing the government of ... Haven't read about what truthers stand for? Do I really need to repeat it?

Suffice it to say he's not just asking them to be critical of their superiors, that's just a pathetic attempt to try to apologize for him.

Sure, Dice is a nut. I agree with what the guy from Veterans for Freedom said, most of these letters will end up in the latrine. Where they belong.That would be difficult since they are mostly emails, unless they print them out... ;)

I'm sure Bush and Cheney would like to declare him an enemy combatant, suspend habeas corpus, and send him to Gitmo. I happen to think that doing so to an American citizen violates the constitution, and could therefore be considered seditious. Or at least impeachable.Aren't you getting ahead of yourself? :rolleyes:

You've successfully turned this story around and pinned this one teh "evil Bush". Wow, I didn't think that was possible.

[CHF]

Have twoofers ever wondered why Fox News gives them more coverage than any other network?

[gdnp]

Have twoofers ever wondered why Fox News gives them more coverage than any other network?
Because they are more fair and balanced?

[Drudgewire]

Megyn Kelly http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/swoon.gif

[CHF]

Because they are more fair and balanced?

It's either that or because they think twoofers makes the anti-Bush crowd appear completely insane. :D

Bit of both I suppose...

[gdnp]

It's either that or because they think twoofers makes the anti-Bush crowd appear completely insane. :D

Bit of both I suppose...

This is probably closer to the truth. It's the video equivalent of a straw man.

Plus, we're talking tabloid journalism here. Sensationality is more important than reality. As long as it makes people shout at the TV, write their congressmen, and start discussion board threads, who cares if the guy sent the letters or not? who cares if he has 30 followers, not 3000? As long as it sells commercials...

[Axiom_Blade]

You say this yet here we have Dice sending out his BS propaganda.
If you think that there is a person checking all of the packages that arrrive to the troops for CONTENT you are clueless.
They check for CONTRABAND but are too busy to worry about content.
You have been watching one too many Matrix type movies.

Granted. (Well, except for the Matrix-type movies. You can never watch too many of those!)
This is mainly from meeting guys who just got out of boot camp, or on leave from Iraq. Their attitude is completely "OO-RAH", and "Kill the baddies", and "FREEDOM!!"

So, I would think it's more about having effective propaganda, than controlling access to outside propaganda. However, once you're out in the desert, your access to the "outside world" is severely hampered. You've got a few leaders spouting doctrine, and the messages are echoed and reinforced by your peers. Doubt or dissent is strongly discouraged.

Sounds kind of like...a cult.
Am I wrong?

[Axiom_Blade]

It's either that or because they think twoofers makes the anti-Bush crowd appear completely insane. :D

Bit of both I suppose...

FOX does seem to give more airtime to extremism than any other network.
Its sensationalist, and stirs up the base, which is what they want, I guess.

[dudalb]

Sounds kind of like...a cult.
Am I wrong?

Why do I get the impression you really, really do not like the US military?

[gdnp]

Sounds kind of like...a cult.
Am I wrong?

Oh, come on...If it were a cult, wouldn't they put the recruits through a rigorous indoctrination, controlling every minute of their time, with hard excercise, lack of sleep, authoritarian leadership giving orders unopen to question...punishments for minor transgressions until the recruits follow directives more out of reflex than thought?

In all seriousness, no, the military is not a cult. The leadership structure is somewhat different. Which does not mean that cults and the military do not sometimes use similar techniques to try to ensure the allegiance of their recruits. They do this because it works.

[dudalb]

Another difference is the heavy duty stuff ends after Basic Training. They have taught you to respond instantly when given a lawful order, and that is all they want.
The heavy controls in a cult go on forever.

[Donal]

There has to be some programing in there. They are going into very stressful situations and are expected to defy their instincts of self preservation. Lets be honest, when you are in the middle of a firefight and relying on the guy next to you, you don't want him to start having a existentialist crisis.

[Unsecured Coins]

Granted. (Well, except for the Matrix-type movies. You can never watch too many of those!)
This is mainly from meeting guys who just got out of boot camp, or on leave from Iraq. Their attitude is completely "OO-RAH", and "Kill the baddies", and "FREEDOM!!"

So, I would think it's more about having effective propaganda, than controlling access to outside propaganda. However, once you're out in the desert, your access to the "outside world" is severely hampered. You've got a few leaders spouting doctrine, and the messages are echoed and reinforced by your peers. Doubt or dissent is strongly discouraged.

Sounds kind of like...a cult.
Am I wrong?

yeah, you're very wrong. would you like to know how wrong?

[Dog Town]

The only thing "John Conner" has shown to resist...is reality!

[gdnp]

Lets be honest, when you are in the middle of a firefight and relying on the guy next to you, you don't want him to start having a existentialist crisis.

No argument here.

[Bobert]

They should bring Dice to Iraq.
He can do his "jaywalking for 9-11 truth" as a way to find IED's

[scissorhands]

They should bring Dice to Iraq.
He can do his "jaywalking for 9-11 truth" as a way to find IED's

:D

Thats a seriously amusing scenario.

[dudalb]

yeah, you're very wrong. would you like to know how wrong?


Yes he is both about the Military and about needing more Matrix -type movies...considering how crappy the last two were.

[Marc L]

However, once you're out in the desert, your access to the "outside world" is severely hampered.

Actually, you're wrong. Sorry. Granted, you may be limited in how often you can access the outside world, but you can still access it.

You've got a few leaders spouting doctrine, and the messages are echoed and reinforced by your peers.

ROTFL!! You've obviously never been in the military. Or if you have been, you were in with a very unusual group.

Doubt or dissent is strongly discouraged.

Strike three, sorry. While disobeying orders is strongly discouraged (especially in combat zones), doubt and dissent is tolerated. It is even permissible to question your superiors.

Sounds kind of like...a cult.
Am I wrong?

Yes, you are wrong.

Marc