That Day In Fall - Complete Finally!

[gumboot]

THAT DAY IN FALL

That day in Fall the sky was clear
Of cloudy hurt and stormy strife.
A day of peace unscathed by fear
But teeming full with blissful life.
Yet on that quiet, noteless date
The world we knew became no more.
Turned upside down by blind hot hate;
From life to death; from peace to war.

Fierce eyes gazed out past oceans wide;
Blades poised to strike with but a word.
Yet blind they were to threats inside,
And here within the danger stirred.
In skies of aching endless blue
As souls traversed from place to place
The gutless foe his weapons drew
And showed to all true hatred’s face.

That day in Fall flight one-one fell
Out of the sky towards the ground.
Seven and eighty souls in her shell
As fierce eyes slowly turned around.
Too slow they turned, those ancient eyes,
So long forgot and put aside.
Their daggers stripped by leaders “wise”;
Yet now the land for daggers cried.

Too late they came, though hard they tried
Too late the shout; too late the call.
In fire and roar the silence died;
The flight plunged through a castle tall.
Flame, death and heat through office swept;
The flight unleashed its deadly load.
While most gazed on and others slept
Towards the smoke brave heroes rode.

With siren’s wail and lights they came
As steel and glass and victims fell.
Without applause and with no fame
They stepped within the maw of hell.
With heavy load they climbed the stair
With blade of water, shield of foam.
They climbed, those knights, in spite of fear.
So many climbed; so few came home.

Above the street on floors alight
The fate of hundreds, cruel was cast.
No words or thoughts describe the plight
Of those that up there lived their last.
‘Twas they; the trapped, the damned, the lost
That felt the sting of senseless rage.
‘Twas they that paid the utter cost;
‘Twas they within that buckling cage.

That day in Fall had just begun;
One-seven-five, the next to die.
A clever web the foe had spun
As chaos swept across the sky.
Sixty souls within this tomb
As devils drove it screaming in.
Then buildings through the windows loom;
Ahead approached the castle’s twin.

In shock we watched around the world
On TV set of every size.
The tower burned, the smoke unfurled,
Watched live by half a billion eyes.
The second flight, in tower’s shade,
On jagged evil black-swept wing
With dark intent, of evil made,
It struck the burning castle’s twin.

Oh nine oh three, the clocks they read
As here at last the truth we saw;
‘Deliberate act,’ the word was spread,
No accident, but act of war.
A second hell through office seethed
Through crowded streets the impact barked.
A world was shocked, a nation heaved,
In that moment immortal marked.

That day in Fall, as side by side
The shattered towers fiercely burned.
In loved ones’ arms we wept and cried,
To strangers met in fear we turned.
Our woes forgot, our cares disposed,
Our very values redefined.
Our common ground, by fire exposed;
We watched as one; as humankind.

But far above in haunted soar
The fate of many lay in doubt.
The hijackers had struck once more;
Flight seven-seven turned about.
Eastward over meadows green,
Fifty nine souls held in her breast,
The third flight taken flew unseen,
By eyes that frantic searched the west.

Four daggers streaked along the coast
But sought a flight that no more flew.
Four blades on wing, but chased a ghost
As closer seven-seven drew.
Too little time they had that day,
Though in the air four blades now burned;
The hunter seeking out its prey,
Towards a five-side fortress turned.

At last, at last, the eyes they found
The sudden threat and closely traced.
The word was quickly spread around
And daggers hungry northward raced.
Too little time they had that day
And once again too late they saw.
While still at distance daggers lay
Death slammed into the throne of war.

Ten dozen souls and five there died
Within their office razed by ill.
Survivors marched up side by side
To save their comrades living still.
The blades above, their anger grew
And now at last their chance did show;
For farther east beyond the blue
The foe had struck their final blow.

The final flight, its cards were played;
Flight ninety-three soared on the wing.
All forty souls inside afraid,
As mobile phone began to ring.
From loved ones now the tale they heard
Of sorrow, sin, and waste and war.
And lying clear beneath each word
Their certain death that lay in store.

That day with certain death abounds
That day in Fall as towers sear.
As trussing sags, as column bows
The fire fighters climbed the stair.
As pillar groans, as floorboard whines
Still up and up those heroes huffed.
Then thunder like the end of times
Dragged down a tower wreathed in dust.

A princely twin in roar is slain
His carcass torn and cast about.
His skin all broken falls like rain
While far away his fall is felt.
These giants paired that claimed our awe
Their skyline rule begins to wane.
Eternal castles, twins no more;
For only one of them remains.

The daggers ready circle high
Alert as ninety-three draws in.
Before them duties solemn lie
For this time evil shall not win.
A bitter ending to the fight
For either way too great the dead.
But meanwhile on the dooméd flight
“Let’s roll,” the word is softly said.

They came in strangers, each unknown
Their own concerns, own lives to run.
But to one fate they all were thrown
Defiant, free, they rose as one.
These heroes knew the cards they played
They knew the odds against them rose.
Yet still they acted, unafraid
They knew the choice and bravely chose.

Their captors unprepared were caught
The demons threw the craft around.
On knees the heroes onwards fought
And forced the flight into the ground.
Though daggers waited, no threat came,
That duty lifted from their head.
Knowing that waited only flame
Dead heroes acted in their stead.

And then the final prince in strife
Just like his twin collapsed as well.
With loss of hope and loss of life
The second castle earthwards fell.
The streets below were wreathed in white
A dozen smaller castles rent.
The smoke and dust shut out the light
The towers’ reign came to an end.

Nineteen devils with hearts of coal
A legacy of chaos made;
Two near three thousand souls the toll
And cost of stone in billions paid.
The day wears on and tears are shed
As broken souls, they inward cave.
The living culled by unknown dead
Buried down deep without a grave.

Choked in the dust, a country kneels
Broken, drowning in ashen fume.
Trying to rise the county reels
Yet helping hands through the smoke loom.
In bold defiance stand the free
Rank on rank, the world is shown.
Friend nation great, across the sea
You stand up hurt, but not alone.

A world as one stood free, stood tall
As sun set on that day in Fall.







In memory of our dead.

[SpitfireIX]

That's outstanding, gumboot, but I think there might be a typo in the seventh line of the fifth stanza.

[theauthor]

What has this got to do with conspiracy theories?

[njslim]

Uh Gumboot - it was still summer......

[gumboot]

That's outstanding, gumboot, but I think there might be a typo in the seventh line of the fifth stanza.


Good catch!

[theauthor]

Is this poetry corner now? There isn't even reference to CTs in it. Can I just start threads with poems about anything I like?

[SpitfireIX]

Is this poetry corner now? There isn't even reference to CTs in it. Can I just start threads with poems about anything I like?


Shut up.

[theauthor]

Shut up.

Well, I have done all I can and reported the OP.

[gumboot]

Uh Gumboot - it was still summer......


That depends on your definition of when the seasons start and finish. By Chinese reckoning, for example, Summer ends on August 6th, while here Winter ends on August 31st.

I chose "Fall" because of the association with "falling", not because of the season.

[gumboot]

What has this got to do with conspiracy theories?


It's a debunk of 9/11 CT theories, by explaining what actually happened that day.

[SpitfireIX]

Uh Gumboot - it was still summer......


Meteorological summer (in the US) is June, July, and August. Most colleges and many primary and secondary schools had already started their fall semesters. And a lot of Americans think of Labor Day (first Monday in September, for those unfamiliar) as the unofficial end of summer.

[theauthor]

It's a debunk of 9/11 CT theories, by explaining what actually happened that day.

Oh really? Could you please provide sources?

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

Shut up.

I'm sorry, but theAuthor does indeed have a point. While Gumboot's work may be moving, it does not seem to address any CTs.

As part of the 'Battle' against the 'Truth Movement', we should treat them all exactly as we would wish to be treated - regardless of how they treat us here and on their forums; stooping to their level is counter-productive; we're all bigger than that.

[theauthor]

I'm sorry, but theAuthor does indeed have a point. While Gumboot's work may be moving, it does not seem to address any CTs.

As part of the 'Battle' against the 'Truth Movement', we should treat them all exactly as we would wish to be treated - regardless of how they treat us here and on their forums; stooping to their level is counter-productive; we're all bigger than that.


Its not a bad poem. Im no expert but it seems pretty good, it just doesnt belong in this section.

[SpitfireIX]

I'm sorry, but theAuthor does indeed have a point. While Gumboot's work may be moving, it does not seem to address any CTs.


And if theauthor had made that point in a civil manner, I wouldn't have had a problem with it, even if I didn't agree.

As part of the 'Battle' against the 'Truth Movement', we should treat them all exactly as we would wish to be treated - regardless of how they treat us here and on their forums; stooping to their level is counter-productive; we're all bigger than that.


In theory we should be, but as you well know, repeatedly being accused of being shills and/or and dupes tends to grate on people. What angers me the most, though, is truthers' continually [rule10]ing on the victims' graves. :mad:

[chillzero]

A mod perspective.
It has been decided not to move this thread from this section. The OP clearly addresses the specific nature of 911, and additionally, the target audience is here.

Please do not post further derails on this matter. The thread is here, and all further posts should address the OP and not whether or not it should be moved.

[theauthor]

But meanwhile on the dooméd flight
“Let’s roll,” the word is softly said.

They came in strangers, each unknown
Their own concerns, own lives to run.
But to one fate they all were thrown
Defiant, free, they rose as one.
These heroes knew the cards they played
They knew the odds against them rose.
Yet still they acted, unafraid
They knew the choice and bravely chose.

Their captors unprepared were caught
The demons threw the craft around.
On knees the heroes onwards fought
And forced the flight into the ground.
Though daggers waited, no threat came,
That duty lifted from their head.
Knowing that waited only flame
Dead heroes acted in their stead.

Do you have proof that any of this occured?

Why did passengers and flight crew on the flights report that the hijackers had guns?

[Pardalis]

Do you have proof that any of this occured?

Why did passengers and flight crew on the flights report that the hijackers had guns?

Why don't you leave these poor people's memory alone and get a life of your own?

Hey that rimed!

Why don't you leave these poor people's memory alone
And get a life of your own

Damn, I wish I had Gumboot's talent... :(

[CurtC]

Meteorological summer (in the US) is June, July, and August.

If you have some kind of cite for this, I'd love to see it. I've been making the argument for years that summer had traditionally been June, July, and August, but wasn't aware of anything more than tradition. And the solstice to equinox definition that everyone thinks is official, is not official, but simply declared to be official by TV weather people.

I'd really like to see everyone go back to using the traditional definitions, because the solstice to equinox thing makes no sense.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_170b.html

[theauthor]

Why don't you leave these poor people's memory alone and get a life of your own?

Hey that rimed!

Why don't you leave these poor people's memory alone
And get a life of your own

Damn, I wish I had Gumboot's talent... :(

Appeal to emotion noted.

Proof, got any?

[Pardalis]

Appeal to emotion noted.

Proof, got any?

I'm sorry, it has to rhyme
In order to continue on this line

[1337m4n]

We'll talk to you in another thread, pdoherty. Stop ruining this one.

I suggest to everyone that theauthor be ignored in this thread.

[theauthor]

I'm sorry, it has to rhyme
In order to continue on this line


In that case, if it needs to rhyme
Have you got any proof this time?

[theauthor]

We'll talk to you in another thread, pdoherty. Stop ruining this one.

I suggest to everyone that theauthor be ignored in this thread.

I'm just asking for evidence of what was posted in the OP.

[Pardalis]

In that case, if it needs to rhyme
Have you got any proof this time?

You want proof of what exactly?
Your questions can't remain pointless indefinitely

[theauthor]

You want proof of what exactly?
Your questions can't remain pointless indefinitely



That didnt rhyme.

I want proof of the "lets roll" garbage.

[Pardalis]

That didnt rhyme.

It did, kinda
At least I'm trying, bubba

I want proof of the "lets roll" garbage.

That didn't rhyme, sorry
Try again to discredit the official story.

[theauthor]

So we agree that the cringe making poem in the opening post is fiction. nobody can support anything in it. Thats fine, poems can be lies too!

[JimBenArm]

Again, you show yourself to be such a classy individual!

Kudos on being a shining example of mature behavior, theauthor!

[/sarcasm]

[theauthor]

Again, you show yourself to be such a classy individual!

Kudos on being a shining example of mature behavior, theauthor!

[/sarcasm]

What did I say that was immature?

[Rika]

I know I'm going to start somethign here and I'll regret it ,but I take it theauthor thinks the phone calls were faked?

[theauthor]

I know I'm going to start somethign here and I'll regret it ,but I take it theauthor thinks the phone calls were faked?


Nope.

i think the calls were real but that the "lets roll" nonsense was a complete fabrication, and there are inconsistencies that need investigating, like the people who said in their calls that the hijackers had guns.

[Arus808]

the let's roll is not a complete fabrication. please post proof that it was never stated.

[JimBenArm]

What did I say that was immature?
It's so sad that I have to point this out to you, but it's just the fact you ask for "facts" to back up stuff in a poem meant as a tribute to the events of the day. You felt the need to come urinate on this to show your twoofer cred. Yeah, that's mature.
Such a classy individual you are. Proud to have you as a member here.

[theauthor]

It's so sad that I have to point this out to you, but it's just the fact you ask for "facts" to back up stuff in a poem meant as a tribute to the events of the day. You felt the need to come urinate on this to show your twoofer cred. Yeah, that's mature.
Such a classy individual you are. Proud to have you as a member here.

Wrong. Gumboot stated that this was posted as a debunking of conspiracy theories, so it is fair game.

[Arus808]

Nope.

i think the calls were real but that the "lets roll" nonsense was a complete fabrication, and there are inconsistencies that need investigating, like the people who said in their calls that the hijackers had guns.


you are utterly disgusting:

http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010916phonecallnat3p3.asp


[Lisa D.] Jefferson could hear shouts and commotion and then Beamer asked her to pray with him. They recited the 23rd Psalm.


He got Jefferson to promise that she would call his family, then dropped the phone, leaving the line open.


That's when Jefferson heard what Lisa Beamer believes were her husband's last words: "Let's roll."

[theauthor]

the let's roll is not a complete fabrication. please post proof that it was never stated.

Your claim, your burden.

[Rika]

You made the positive claim, I'm afraid.

[JimBenArm]

Wrong. Gumboot stated that this was posted as a debunking of conspiracy theories, so it is fair game.
Yes, that makes it all better. You look so mature now.

They grow up so fast.

[theauthor]

You made the positive claim, I'm afraid.

No, i didn't. Gumboot did in his OP.

[Rika]

That... ack.

Let me explain something.

A: Element A exists
B: Prove it.

yes, A has to prove it

A: Element A exists.
B: Element B doesn't exist
A: Prove it!
B: You first!

.. B made the counterclaim and is repsonsible.

[theauthor]

That... ack.

Let me explain something.

A: Element A exists
B: Prove it.

yes, A has to prove it

A: Element A exists.
B: Element B doesn't exist
A: Prove it!
B: You first!

.. B made the counterclaim and is repsonsible.


Nope. I asked him for proof before i made any claim. try reading the thread.

[Rika]

I did. Here's the thing:

This is one of hte few times where the people aren't a fallacy, in that it's a commonlyheld belief/known fact.

For example:

A: The library has books.
B: Prove it.


B is responsbile. Because, surprise, THE LIBRARY HAS BOOKS.

[Arus808]

Your claim, your burden.

read the post before your reply. since its been up for the 20 minutes, and you have replied to two other people AFTER i made that post with the evidence, it shows you are clearly ignoring it.

[Par]

Why do people let him do this, in a thread like this of all places? We have a lovely devotional poem, yet we allow a vile little attention-seeker to reduce the thread to tawdry sneering in the space of about five posts.

It seems that rationalists are very easy targets for attention-seekers. I’m not sure why, but it might have something to do with the former having a compulsion of sorts to correct faulty beliefs or statements.

[Par]

Further to my last:

http://forums.randi.org/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=25051

[gumboot]

Well someone's showing their true colours...

The worst thing that Conspiracy Theorists do is deny the humanity of 9/11 - the human loss, the human heroism, and the human malice. In my opinion it's this utterly inhuman behaviour that needs "debunking" the most. But to remind people of the reality of what people experienced that day, the traditional methods are ineffective.

9/11 is a story of human emotion, and the sciences are not the realm of emotion. The arts are. So with art - in this case a poem - we can effectively remind the dispassionate, the jaded, and the downright inhuman that a great tragedy occured that day, that in spite of their petty pathetic little internet claims the reality is that nineteen miserable pieces of terrorist scum devastated and destroyed the lives of thousands of people, and eternally scarred an entire world. They acted without the slightest concern for the consequences of their actions - all they cared about was their own stupid, irrelevant cause.

In that regard the perpetrators of 9/11 are much like your typical Conspiracy Theorist, as so perfectly demonstrated in this thread.

Theauthor, no I won't be giving you anything you demand. No I won't be responding to your disrespectful, shameful, utterly disgusting behaviour.

[theauthor]

Well someone's showing their true colours...

The worst thing that Conspiracy Theorists do is deny the humanity of 9/11 - the human loss, the human heroism, and the human malice. In my opinion it's this utterly inhuman behaviour that needs "debunking" the most. But to remind people of the reality of what people experienced that day, the traditional methods are ineffective.

9/11 is a story of human emotion, and the sciences are not the realm of emotion. The arts are. So with art - in this case a poem - we can effectively remind the dispassionate, the jaded, and the downright inhuman that a great tragedy occured that day, that in spite of their petty pathetic little internet claims the reality is that nineteen miserable pieces of terrorist scum devastated and destroyed the lives of thousands of people, and eternally scarred an entire world. They acted without the slightest concern for the consequences of their actions - all they cared about was their own stupid, irrelevant cause.

In that regard the perpetrators of 9/11 are much like your typical Conspiracy Theorist, as so perfectly demonstrated in this thread.

Theauthor, no I won't be giving you anything you demand. No I won't be responding to your disrespectful, shameful, utterly disgusting behaviour.


Pathetic appeal to emotion. You can write as many poems as you like, it doesn't affect the facts.

3000 people died, regardless of what happened on 911. If its an inside job 3000 people still died in a horrible way. your point makes no sense.

[njslim]

That depends on your definition of when the seasons start and finish. By Chinese reckoning, for example, Summer ends on August 6th, while here Winter ends on August 31st.

I chose "Fall" because of the association with "falling", not because of the season..

In US "summer" is often calculated as beginning on Memorial Day (last Monday in May)
and ends on Labor Day (First Monday in September). These dates usually mark
warm sunny days or "summer weather". Most schools and Universities let out around
this time and resume right after Labor Day.

[Arus808]

Pathetic appeal to emotion. You can write as many poems as you like, it doesn't affect the facts.

actually the poem ADDRESSES the facts. You obviously want to ignore them as always.

so, why haven't You responded to the fact that the "let's roll" is not fiction?

[1337m4n]

Pdoherty why is this so important to you? Why do you feel the need to attack a poem meant as a tribute? Don't you have media outlets to send smoking gun evidence to?

[OldTigerCub]

Well, I have done all I can and reported the OP.

So did I, though Hokulele beat me to it....for a language award.
Nominated.
Beautiful work, Gumboot! :)

[bonavada]

Edited for civility

[SpitfireIX]

If you have some kind of cite for this, I'd love to see it. I've been making the argument for years that summer had traditionally been June, July, and August, but wasn't aware of anything more than tradition. And the solstice to equinox definition that everyone thinks is official, is not official, but simply declared to be official by TV weather people.

I'd really like to see everyone go back to using the traditional definitions, because the solstice to equinox thing makes no sense.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_170b.html


I wasn't able to find any totally definitive pronouncements on this; however, if you go to the National Weather Service's web site (http://www.nws.noaa.gov/) and search for "meteorological summer," you'll find the term used and defined in numerous official reports.

[eromitlab]

Pdoherty why is this so important to you? Why do you feel the need to attack a poem meant as a tribute? Don't you have media outlets to send smoking gun evidence to?

There'll be time enough for that, once they finally show those mean ol' debunker naysayers on the internets how wrong they've been.

[HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP]

Well someone's showing their true colours...

The worst thing that Conspiracy Theorists do is deny the humanity of 9/11 - the human loss, the human heroism, and the human malice. In my opinion it's this utterly inhuman behaviour that needs "debunking" the most. But to remind people of the reality of what people experienced that day, the traditional methods are ineffective.
Here we have these idiots claiming the firefighters "were on it" while at the same time rescuing people from the debris....

9/11 is a story of human emotion, and the sciences are not the realm of emotion. The arts are. So with art - in this case a poem - we can effectively remind the dispassionate, the jaded, and the downright inhuman that a great tragedy occured that day, that in spite of their petty pathetic little internet claims the reality is that nineteen miserable pieces of terrorist scum devastated and destroyed the lives of thousands of people, and eternally scarred an entire world. They acted without the slightest concern for the consequences of their actions - all they cared about was their own stupid, irrelevant cause.

In that regard the perpetrators of 9/11 are much like your typical Conspiracy Theorist, as so perfectly demonstrated in this thread.

Not just here but any other thread.
that other coward is the worst.


Theauthor, no I won't be giving you anything you demand. No I won't be responding to your disrespectful, shameful, utterly disgusting behaviour.
But those are the only things they know how to use get that little investigation of theirs to get started.....

[Silentknight]

Now I'm envious of gumboot, because he was able to provoke at least one self-righteous truther with his poem, yet I couldn't do the same with my own writing. What, have they all bailed out of Loose Change Second Edition by now because it's indefensible? I want my share of pissed off truthers, damnit! :mad:


But seriously, nice work. How long did that take to write?

[1337m4n]

Suddenly, silence.

I like how theauthor runs away when I ask him about sending inside job evidence to the media.

[beachnut]

Your claim, your burden.
This mean you have no evidence to back your claim.
You are just making it up, you will never be able to back up your words. Your words are false, no support. Or will you present some?. Why do you make up stuff about 9/11 with no evidence?

[gumboot]

Now I'm envious of gumboot, because he was able to provoke at least one self-righteous truther with his poem, yet I couldn't do the same with my own writing. What, have they all bailed out of Loose Change Second Edition by now because it's indefensible? I want my share of pissed off truthers, damnit! :mad:


But seriously, nice work. How long did that take to write?


It didn't take very long. I typically write my poems very quickly. I started it last September 11, but never got as far as completing it, and it's just been sitting on my desktop waiting for inspiration to strike. The finished it the day I posted it to JREF. I had to sacrifice some poetic quality to fit in some of the details I wanted - like the number of people on the flights - but on balance I felt it was more important to get that in the poem than it was to have a perfectly constructed stanza.

[X]

Pdoherty why is this so important to you? Why do you feel the need to attack a poem meant as a tribute? Don't you have media outlets to send smoking gun evidence to?



TheAuthor didn't think this thread was appropriate in a conspiracy theory sub-forum.
It was decided that the topic being addressed and the main audience is here, so here it stays.

Thus, TheAuthor has decided to address the poem in the same way he would any other conspiracy-theory debunking topic.

As much as I disagree with him, and find his arguments to be severly lacking, he is only doing what this forum is for, and what he was told to by moderators.

I don't think we can rightly fault him for attacking the poem.

Distasteful as it may be, I can't argue that he has no right to do what he is doing.

Why not just show how his attacks are wrong?

And for the record, I neither know nor care if TheAuthor is PDoh's latest sock or not.


By the way: Good work, Gumboot.

[1337m4n]

;3772488']
Why not just show how his attacks are wrong?


I would, if his attacks had any substance to them. I can't debunk him if he doesn't make an actual point.

[jhunter1163]

A wonderful piece of writing, Gumboot.

[gumboot]

I would, if his attacks had any substance to them. I can't debunk him if he doesn't make an actual point.


And never another point shall he make, it seems.

[Sizzler]

Did I miss WTC7 or did you not include it? Perhaps because no loss of life occurred?