"How in the world did it speed up?"

[chris lz]

Quick question:Truther states, "Now address the accelerating collapse. How in the world did it speed up?"
It's been a while since I've visited this topic. What's he getting at?

[phunk]

Gravity?

[ElMondoHummus]

Oh, God, we're not going to see faster than freefall now again, are we?

Cripes... it's like playing whack-a-mole...

ETA: Whoops, Chris, sorry. That wasn't aimed at you. It was a gripe about the claim itself.

[defaultdotxbe]

Gravity?
that would be my guess too...

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Quick question:Truther states, "Now address the accelerating collapse. How in the world did it speed up?"
It's been a while since I've visited this topic. What's he getting at?

By increasing he energy involved transmited to the structure from the gravitational PE.

[Rika]

Because acceleration due to gravity is a normal phenomom from taller heights.

[rwguinn]

Quick question:Truther states, "Now address the accelerating collapse. How in the world did it speed up?"
It's been a while since I've visited this topic. What's he getting at?
V=g*T
g=32.2 ft/sec^2, 9.8 m/sec^2
simple algebra tells us that Velocity will increase with increasing time. But most troofers can barely add 33 and 5 and get the same answer 2 out of 3 tries...
and to forestall the next question:
Z=(1/2)*g*t^2

[Alferd_Packer]

Maybe it "speeded up" from the pressure from that space DEW thingy. ;) ;) ;)

[twinstead]

Maybe it "speeded up" from the pressure from that space DEW thingy. ;) ;) ;)

Man. If I had a penny for every time that happened to me...

[nicepants]

Quick question:Truther states, "Now address the accelerating collapse. How in the world did it speed up?"
It's been a while since I've visited this topic. What's he getting at?

Twoofers seem to think that the falling mass could not have accelerated due to the resistance from the building below.

I even had one go so far as to say that if the resistance of the building slowed the acceleration of gravity from 32fpss to 20fpss, that it would be slowing down.

Try (you will likely fail) to explain to this truther that the force of gravity on an object is measured as an acceleration, not as a static speed.

[T.A.M.]

did some one just ask why did the falling object "speed up"? Really???

TAM:)

[alex04]

Gravity?

inside job!!!!!!!!111

we need an investigation into this 'gravity' immediately!:D

[NoZed Avenger]

inside job!!!!!!!!111

we need an investigation into this 'gravity' immediately!:D




Hm... With "GRAVITY," "it" is *inside* "Gravy."


Obviously, then, GRAVY is part of the INSIDE JOB that caused IT !!!!!11!!!!eleventy!!





Well, it makes as much sense as anything I've seen from Judy Wood, for example.

[jaydeehess]

I once tried to explain to a twit that gravity imparts an acelleration of 32 ft/s/s which means that after 1 second of drop it is going 32 ft/s, after 2 seconds its going 64 ft/s etc., HOWEVER not all acelleration is 32 ft/s/s and if something was acting to reduce gravity's effect it could then be acellerating at 28 ft/s/s which would mean that it going 26 ft/s after 1 second, 58ft/s after 2 seconds etc.

He stated that he understood that but how could the collapse speed increase?:jaw-dropp

[Mel Odious]

The "buildings collapsed at near-freefall speed" is, for me, one of the most frustrating claims of the entire TM. If we look at WTC1, the upper block coming down at 1 g reaches the ground in about 8.56 seconds. If it comes down at 1/2 g, it reaches the ground in a bit more than 12 seconds. So dialing the acceleration due to gravity back by a full fifty percent only adds about 3.5 seconds to the collapse time.

On the other hand, if you want to make the argument in the opening post that the upper block shouldn't accelerate at all, you're saying that the upward force of the building resisting the collapse is exactly cancelling out the downward force of gravity acting on the upper block, for the entire duration of the collapse. And that's simply absurd.

[Travis]

Everyone knows that your speed in a fall is always constant with no acceleration and also if you walk off a cliff you won't start falling until you look down and realize there is nothing under your feet.

[gc051360]

Quick question:Truther states, "Now address the accelerating collapse. How in the world did it speed up?"
It's been a while since I've visited this topic. What's he getting at?

Do you have a link, to where this claim happened?

Because if someone is seriously asking, why a falling object is accelerating....I'd like to see it.

[Mel Odious]

Do you have a link, to where this claim happened?

Because if someone is seriously asking, why a falling object is accelerating....I'd like to see it.

... and I'd like to see it Stundie'd.

[PhantomWolf]

I was going to say Gravity, but because I don't want to be seen as a sheep I'm going to say "Air Pressure!" and then run like heck. :D

[OlbarStein]

Gravity is only a theory. So it's not a fact. As i have just ruled out gravitation as a reason for the collapse, the only intelligent theory that remains are hidden Saturn5-Booster pointing downward.:D

[rwguinn]

Gravity is only a theory. So it's not a fact. As i have just ruled out gravitation as a reason for the collapse, the only intelligent theory that remains are hidden Saturn5-Booster pointing downward.:D
Naw--the plume would have been visible.
The obvious answer is the Lensman's Inertialess drive.

[BenBurch]

Naw--the plume would have been visible.
The obvious answer is the Lensman's Inertialess drive.

Wow, man. THIS is why they suppressed the Dean Drive and then SAT on it all these years! :D

[ElMondoHummus]

Gravity is only a theory. So it's not a fact. As i have just ruled out gravitation as a reason for the collapse, the only intelligent theory that remains are hidden Saturn5-Booster pointing downward.:D

Naw--the plume would have been visible.
The obvious answer is the Lensman's Inertialess drive.

I was thinking a whole bunch of ropes attached to each floor. Didn't Silverstein say "Pull it"?

[bonavada]

Everyone knows that your speed in a fall is always constant with no acceleration and also if you walk off a cliff you won't start falling until you look down and realize there is nothing under your feet.

Yes, and also all that fall always get up and walk away unhurt. Profs. Hannah and Barbera (http://www2.warnerbros.com/web/hannabarbera/index.jsp) did such stellar work overturning that prat Newton.

BV

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Naw--the plume would have been visible.
The obvious answer is the Lensman's Inertialess drive.

Ion propulsion would offer a continuous acceleration and be almost un noticed.

That or a giant rope in the basement that went though the center of the earth, and was pulled from the other side.

[tsig]

Naw--the plume would have been visible.
The obvious answer is the Lensman's Inertialess drive.

Which leads to the obvious question. Could a ship with ID beat the Enterprise in a ship to ship duel?

I always wanted to visit Arisia.(the planet)

[Nim Chimpsky]

Which leads to the obvious question. Could a ship with ID beat the Enterprise in a ship to ship duel?


Good question, but could EITHER beat a space ship named "DITKA"?

[T.A.M.]

Gravity is only a theory. So it's not a fact. As i have just ruled out gravitation as a reason for the collapse, the only intelligent theory that remains are hidden Saturn5-Booster pointing downward.:D

Don't forget the Leprachauns. There is just as much evidence they did it as there is for thermite or super duper space beams....;)

And welcome to the forum.

TAM:)

[tsig]

Good question, but could EITHER beat a space ship named "DITKA"?

While the Chicago Bears are good are they that good?

[Klimax]

Which leads to the obvious question. Could a ship with ID beat the Enterprise in a ship to ship duel?

I always wanted to visit Arisia.(the planet)

Just wormhole through space and we are done wit this matter... :D

[Beerina]

Twoofers seem to think that the falling mass could not have accelerated due to the resistance from the building below.

I even had one go so far as to say that if the resistance of the building slowed the acceleration of gravity from 32fpss to 20fpss, that it would be slowing down.

Try (you will likely fail) to explain to this truther that the force of gravity on an object is measured as an acceleration, not as a static speed.


It's highly unlikely the strength of each floor was exactly the strength to keep the collapse going at the same rate (regardless of rate.) Therefore slowing down or speeding up are the far more likely occurances.

Slowing down is not likely because that would call into question why the original fire-induced collapse caused the first of the lower, non-weakened floors to collapse.

And, of course, the more floors that collapse, the more energy and weight the collapsing debris imparts to the next floor. Hence each subsequent floor would have to be stronger than the one above it just to keep the collapse progressing at the same rate, making it all the more unlikely to happen.

[Nim Chimpsky]

While the Chicago Bears are good are they that good?

Cross cultural reference I think, my bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da_bears

Typical debates concerned Mike Ditka versus a hurricane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane) (in this particular debate, the Superfans believed that Ditka could defeat the hurricane, until it was revealed that the name of the hurricane was Hurricane Ditka); who would win in a competition for World Domination – "Da Bearss" or "Da Bullss";

Mike Ditka winning the Indianapolis 500 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianapolis_500) driving the Bears' team bus;

or how many points Michael Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan) could score if he played an entire game by himself while sitting in a recliner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recliner).

He then asked oddsmaker Danny Sheridan, played by Kevin Nealon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Nealon) who he'd take in matchup between Ditka and the Giants, to which Nealon's character replied, "I'd take the Giants by 800." One episode featured a Jeopardy! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeopardy%21)-like game show (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_show) starring Bob Swerski as host and the other Superfans as contestants. All the questions dealt with the Chicago Bears, Chicago, or Mike Ditka. The Final Jeopardy! question was "Da Bears or Da Bulls?", which produced hilarious responses from the contestants.

[OlbarStein]

I still stand by my Saturn5-Booster-theory. They just used this new super secret noise- and smokeless fuel.

[nicepants]

I once tried to explain to a twit that gravity imparts an acelleration of 32 ft/s/s which means that after 1 second of drop it is going 32 ft/s, after 2 seconds its going 64 ft/s etc., HOWEVER not all acelleration is 32 ft/s/s and if something was acting to reduce gravity's effect it could then be acellerating at 28 ft/s/s which would mean that it going 26 ft/s after 1 second, 58ft/s after 2 seconds etc.

He stated that he understood that but how could the collapse speed increase?:jaw-dropp

Therein lies the problem. Most twoofers don't seem to understand the difference between a velocity and an acceleration.

[Lensman]

Naw--the plume would have been visible.
The obvious answer is the Lensman's Inertialess drive.


OK - OK, I admit it, it was me - now quit waterboarding me!