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applecorped
11th June 2008, 12:23 PM
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:JEzgPMsiyVIJ:elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/10/activists-preparing-against-use-of-brown-note-at-dem-convention/+crap+cannon&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

Political activists planning protest rallies at the upcoming Democratic Convention in Denver have their stomachs in knots over a rumor about a crowd control weapon - known as the “crap cannon” - that might be unleashed against them.

Also called “Brown Note,” it is believed to be an infrasound frequency that debilitates a person by making them defecate involuntarily.

Mark Cohen, co-founder of Re-create 68, an alliance of local activists working for the protection of first amendment rights, said he believes this could be deployed at the convention in August to subdue crowds.

“We know this weapon and weapons like it have been used at other large protests before,” he said.

Cohen, who described Brown Note as a “sonic weapon used to disrupt people’s equilibrium,” cited eyewitness accounts of its use during free-trade agreement protests in Miami in 2003.

“I think these weapons were mostly intended for military use and so their use for dealing with innocent protesters seems highly inappropriate,” he said. “The idea that they might be field testing them on people who are doing nothing more than exercising their first amendment rights is disturbing.”

His group is preparing against a possible attack by Brown Note and other crowd-control measures by dispatching street medics at the convention trained in treating injuries in demonstration situations.

“It’s all we can do,” Cohen said.

So is the Brown Note a real threat?

Dr. Roger Schwenke - an expert acoustician who appeared on the Discovery Channel’s “Mythbusters” in 2004 to test the phenomenon - told FOXNews.com there is no scientific evidence that proves such frequencies cause involuntary defecation.

“When we conducted the low frequency experiment for the Brown Note episode of MythBusters, we tested a variety of low frequencies and no involuntary gastro-intestinal motility was caused,” he said.

But Schwenke acknowledged the low-frequency exposure did cause an adverse effect. Several people — including himself — reported “abdominal discomfort,” he said, “which was easily alleviated by moving a moderate distance away from the source.”

Adding to the Brown Note rumor is a refusal by Denver’s Mayor John W. Hickenlooper to release details of what was purchased with $18 million of a $50 million federal grant the city received to pay for convention security, despite a lawsuit filed by ACLU.

Cohen’s group is calling on the administration to disclose what measures will be taken.

In a statement released to FOXNews.com, city spokeswoman Sue Cobb said, “commenting on specific security preparations is not helpful to ensuring their effectiveness. I can say, however, that all of our security-related purchases for the Democratic National Convention will comply with federal and City requirements. We are working closely with the U.S. Department of Justice to ensure that the $50 million federal security grant is spent on personnel and equipment in the manner required by the grant.”

Denver’s police Department wouldn’t comment on the tactics that will be used during the convention, but a spokesman said that “we do support and encourage people to express their views safely and in a manner that respects the rights of others along with the laws and ordinances of our city.”

But Glenn Spangnuolo, also with Re-create 68, isn’t taking any chances. He said he has no doubt that Brown Note exists, and is preparing his group for confrontation. “Whether it causes someone to defecate in their pants or not, I don’t know that,” said Spagnuolo. “What I do know is that it causes a person to be disoriented and lose their equilibrium resulting in a nauseous feeling in their stomach.”

More troubling to Spagnuolo is the “Active Denial System” or “ADS,” a ray gun used to send high levels of microwave frequencies that cause a burning sensation the skin.

He described ADS as an “indiscriminate weapon” and said “there’s no long-term testing on what happens to the body when exposed to those kinds of microwave frequencies.”

Spagnuolo believes that Raytheon, the company that manufactures the weapon, is planning to test a limited-range civilian version on protesters in Denver before approving its use in places like Iraq.

Spagnuolo said he believes tactics like these are excessive. “I think spending millions of dollars on weapon technologies to be used on people in our community is completely wrong,” he said.
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I hope this is true, but I doubt it.

Bobert
11th June 2008, 12:31 PM
I think it was one of those "future weapons" type shows that had a story about a recently developed technoology for crowd control by the military.
This particular piece of equipment would blast a microwave of heat to disperse a crowd. Not enough to cause any real damage but rather uncomfortable.
There are crowd control tools that will unleash scents that are foul in hopes of dispersing a crowd.
I would love to see all of these tested on truthers.
Alex Jones would be my first pick.

Drudgewire
11th June 2008, 12:42 PM
The brown note has exactly one practical purpose, and that's introducing the word "queef" into the American vernacular on the South Park episode about it. :p

Bobert
11th June 2008, 12:47 PM
BTW "Crap Cannon" will be on tour this summer please check your local listings for dates/times.

Myriad
11th June 2008, 12:56 PM
I hear they're also working on a giant picture of a lonesome puppy that will make rioters too sad to continue.

Also, a new-car financing deal that's so irresistible that protesters will have no choice but to disperse to nearby dealerships to avoid missing out.

Respectfully,
Myriad

dudalb
11th June 2008, 02:20 PM
Anybody who want to recreate 1968,one of the worst years in US History, is somebody whose sanity I question.
And if he is serious about trying to make the Denver convention a repeat of Chicago in 1968, I don't blame the Denver authorities one bit for taking precautions.

Brainache
11th June 2008, 02:24 PM
See how they run...

CurtC
11th June 2008, 02:24 PM
BTW "Crap Cannon" will be on tour this summer please check your local listings for dates/times.

Aren't their albums on the Brown Note label?

alex04
11th June 2008, 02:39 PM
i like it:D

Can i be first to try? (firing it, that is)

rwguinn
11th June 2008, 02:58 PM
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:JEzgPMsiyVIJ:elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/10/activists-preparing-against-use-of-brown-note-at-dem-convention/+crap+cannon&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

snip....


I hope this is true, but I doubt it.
The reason for the abdominal discomfort is that generally, the "average man" (185 lb men) has a resonant frequency of the internal organs at about 8 Hz, +/- a bit--which is why riding a bus with an unbalanced wheel is so uncomfortable--60mph=8.8 Hz on the wheels that are the norm on those vehicles.
So, with sufficient energy input, you could feel some discomfort... but having to go No. 2? Doubt it...

Gagglegnash
11th June 2008, 03:28 PM
Hi

Ok.

1.1: The amount of energy it would take to make your large intestine contract strongly enough to cause involuntary defecation would cause much more than mild abdominal discomfort.

1.2: The amount of energy it would take to vibrate your large intestine enough to liquefy its contents and make it sweat out enough liquid to cause instant diarrhea would likely as not KILL you.

2: Browning Britches, over the short term, has no effect on the tactical efficiency of a unit. Long term, it may cause dehydration and malnutrition, but short term, it just makes the operation smellier.

My call as the board's presumptive weapons evaluator: :bs:

16.5
11th June 2008, 03:36 PM
Crap Cannons are not there to create disorder, they are there to preserve disorder.

Spud1k
11th June 2008, 03:42 PM
Back when this urban legend was at its peak about 5 or 10 years ago, I remember reading an interview with a rock band (I forget which one) where they said they were going to try using it on their own crowds. Whether that would make you want to go to one of their gigs or not would just depend on your taste in music I guess.

jhunter1163
11th June 2008, 03:50 PM
Mythbusters took on this very topic. No (rule10), but some people on the crew were not feeling well during the test.

njslim
11th June 2008, 04:02 PM
Guess this beats putting EX LAX in the Kool Aid?

GregoryUrich
11th June 2008, 04:21 PM
Mythbusters took on this very topic. No (rule10), but some people on the crew were not feeling well during the test.

Is this thread a split from the Anna Andersson intestine thread?

Soma
11th June 2008, 04:34 PM
Can't believe nobody has said this yet!

Those political activists must be ****ting themselves!

Too obvious?

Comsat Angel
11th June 2008, 04:42 PM
Back when this urban legend was at its peak about 5 or 10 years ago, I remember reading an interview with a rock band (I forget which one) where they said they were going to try using it on their own crowds. Whether that would make you want to go to one of their gigs or not would just depend on your taste in music I guess.

Er, wasn't it the Butthole Surfers?

Myself, a musical programme of Artificially Created Boy Bands, followed by Artificially Created Girl Bands, followed by Reality Television Music Winners would definitely create a Brown Note, probably followed by a Throat Note, followed by self-immolation.

Bobert
11th June 2008, 04:48 PM
Can't believe nobody has said this yet!

Those political activists must be ****ting themselves!

Too obvious?

That really stinks!

Cl1mh4224rd
11th June 2008, 04:50 PM
Also called “Brown Note,” it is believed to be an infrasound frequency that debilitates a person by making them defecate involuntarily.

[...]

“We know this weapon and weapons like it have been used at other large protests before,” he said.


The "brown note" is bunk, but hey... apparently they need some way to rationalize the unusual number of people they have crapping their pants during their protests. :rolleyes:

Maybe they should just rent some port-a-johns...

OldTigerCub
11th June 2008, 04:55 PM
From the title of the OP, I thought this was a thread about defective howitzers.....:cool:

SezMe
11th June 2008, 05:08 PM
I've applied for the Depends concession.

leftysergeant
11th June 2008, 05:15 PM
Re-create 68 is a flase-flag operation organized by Republicans to discredit the Democrats. If you are in Denver and see someone urging violent action, gather a group of actual Democrats, liberals or peace activist, sieze and bind the trouble makers, and offer to use them as human shields.

No point in risking a rational being to test whether a weapon works or not.

1337m4n
11th June 2008, 05:17 PM
How the heck is a device like this supposed to accomplish anything except being hilarious?

applecorped
11th June 2008, 08:06 PM
Depending on the protesters this may not be good idea. Imagine hundreds of protesters hurling their own feces back at the police?

Grizzly Bear
11th June 2008, 08:14 PM
Depending on the protesters this may not be good idea. Imagine hundreds of protesters hurling their own feces back at the police?

Somehow this reminds me of the disgruntled farmer that spray cow feces all over town hall... Now imagine a few thousand people...

If only... I could find the article :\

applecorped
11th June 2008, 08:20 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/975012.stm

Travis
11th June 2008, 09:22 PM
Didn't the 68 protests pretty much destroy the Democrats chances of winning that election as well as not accomplish anything even remotely constructive for their cause? Why would they want to recreate that? That's like Republicans wanting to recreate Watergate.

BenBurch
11th June 2008, 10:03 PM
Mark Cohen is rumored to be a GOP operative, BTW.

SezMe
11th June 2008, 10:47 PM
How the heck is a device like this supposed to accomplish anything except being hilarious?
Precisely. How can a bunch of protesters be taken seriously if everyone within visual range is laughing at them so hard THEY are crapping their shorts.

Dave Rogers
12th June 2008, 02:45 AM
From the title of the OP, I thought this was a thread about defective howitzers.....:cool:

And I thought it was a description of the 9-11 truth movement.

Dave

fullflavormenthol
12th June 2008, 03:12 AM
I think this is a lot of bunk myself, but I do believe the city of Denver has good reason not to want to release the exact details of their security measures. 1.) Terrorism concerns, you don't want to give potential attacks the ability to pre-plan how to get around security. 2.) Violent protestors, you don't want to give them the ability to plan either.

And number 2 (no pun intended) is the reason to be concerned. A lot of the talk on the interwebs from troofers and other anarchist types seems to lean towards the complete disruption of the convention. Lets also not forget that troofers love the image of themselves getting beat up by the police. They do want to repeat Chicago and use that to claim a police state is in place.

bonavada
12th June 2008, 04:56 AM
See how they run...

Reminds me of that Billy Connolly story about the young Glasgae lad, having had a wee accident in his trousers, tells his Ma (hoping to avoid a slap) that "a big boy did it and run away."

BV

Shrinker
12th June 2008, 05:13 AM
I'm keen to cultivate this myth. I wanna see twoofers come to their next rally in nappies.

If they ever have another rally...

eeyore1954
12th June 2008, 05:20 AM
Hi

Ok.

1.1: The amount of energy it would take to make your large intestine contract strongly enough to cause involuntary defecation would cause much more than mild abdominal discomfort.

1.2: The amount of energy it would take to vibrate your large intestine enough to liquefy its contents and make it sweat out enough liquid to cause instant diarrhea would likely as not KILL you.

2: Browning Britches, over the short term, has no effect on the tactical efficiency of a unit. Long term, it may cause dehydration and malnutrition, but short term, it just makes the operation smellier.

My call as the board's presumptive weapons evaluator: :bs:

What happens to the BS meter if you shoot the weapon here.
http://www.pahl-livestock.com/images/bulls-group-lg.jpg

Travis
12th June 2008, 05:02 PM
Again, why would they want to recreate 68? Shouldn't they instead want to recreate 63 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_on_Washington_for_Jobs_and_Freedom)? That accomplished a whole lot more and was at least respectable.