Are you BORN FR33 ?

[ban freekmasons]

"33" represents the 33 degrees of criminal Freemasonry and we live in a Masonic world under their Masonic laws. Freemasons are the selfish, brainwashed foot soldiers of the Illuminati, they all get a slice of the corruption cake. Masons are the tools/fools to be used by their puppet masters, The Illuminati/ Oil Barons/ Bankers, the world's richest families.

Freemasons are destroying society 24/7 and they seriously don't care. They are only interested in back-scratching and protecting their pretend-brothers at any expense. Sod the planet, sod society, sod the future, we're alright Jack, sod YOU.

In the last ten years, the Masonic controlled Labour government has changed 3000 laws in favour of the NWO. Your next government is Masonic controlled. They have programmed you to accept this. They have dumbed you down. In return, we get their controlled media, computer games and stupid sports events. This in turn is designed to get more of your hard earned cash. It also keeps you dumbed down further. You don't get time to think as you are stuck in their mortgage or debt traps. EVERYTHING is manipulated by "THEM".

You are born into a Masonic prison. You are a born tax generator to their corrupt system. You are so blinkered, you pay them to do this. We all pay our taxes into a great big pot and when the criminals take their share, the rest of us fight for the pittance that's left.

Did you know that our politicians swear allegiance to the Queen ? Did you know that our Police Forces swear allegiance to the Queen ? Did you know that the Queen/Royal Family are the patron heads of World Freemasonry ? The Judiciary, NHS, Military, etc, are all infested with this human virus. This is ludicrous, we all pay the taxes/wages for criminals to control us.

We are all being controlled by a criminal organisation called Freemasonry and they also use the name "Common Purpose" (+ hundreds more names)

Freemasonry portrays itself as a wonderful, charitable fraternity of men. Why are they all hiding? Why do they all deny their membership? Why do they all use aliases. Why are they all prolific liars? Why do adults have to have secrets in this modern world ? etc.

Freemasonry is a fantastic network/system of ears and eyes. But it is used for extreme evil and control. If it's really all good, why can't it be done for free ? Why can't it be done for everyone in every community ? Why can't we have a public register of these good? people ? Why can't we be allowed to independently investigate THEM? After all, if they a good charitable organisation, they won't mind. What have they got to hide ?

We hate to depress you further, but when are you going to wake up? There is only ONE problem and it's "Freemasonry". Use your time wisely on these brilliant Icke, Makow, Jones, Rense, etc, forums and websites. This evil system is working on the kids at school as you read this. Get focused and use each other to find ways to educate each other to "Stop The Madness".

Please copy this everywhere to everyone. If you do nothing today, they win.

Joe Stirling (Veteran victim of Freekmasonry) I/we are sitting here with the evidence to bring them down but the elite won't let it happen.


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I do not hate Masons or anybody, only ignorance and evil.

[Drudgewire]

Please copy this everywhere to everyone.


That sort of thing is frowned upon here.

[twinstead]

Crap. I'm starting loose track of the super secret organizations who aim to take over the world.

Does anybody have a bloody scorecard?

[madurobob]

This is not going to end well, is it?

[JimBenArm]

This is not going to end well, is it?
Well, it didn't start out very well, did it?

[HyJinX]

Freemasonry? That's awesome. I have two short walls and a walkway that I need done. If they're willing to do it for no charge...well I'm willing to take them up on it! Who should I ask for when I call?

[16.5]

Say, this Free Mason thing sounds like a pretty sweet deal.

I've been asked to join, and now I know I will!

Thanks Man!

[Hokulele]

I do not hate Masons or anybody, only ignorance and evil.


Heh.

[T.A.M.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dyL-odyCIU

TAM:)

[madurobob]

"33" represents the 33 degrees of criminal Freemasonry and we live in a Masonic world under their Masonic laws.
Dang - I was hoping it was a Rolling Rock beer reference.

Freemasonry portrays itself as a wonderful, charitable fraternity of men. Why are they all hiding? Why do they all deny their membership? Why do they all use aliases. Why are they all prolific liars? Why do adults have to have secrets in this modern world ? etc.
Thats really weird, because in my town the Masons openly identify themselves with emblems on their cars (http://www.freemasonstore.com/product_info.php?products_id=17755).

[fullflavormenthol]

Yeah, this reminds me of someone who got suspended recently. Anywho...provide some evidence for your claims maybe?

You won't because this is the same crap, and if you are promoting David "Reptilian Aliens are going to get us" Icke; than you may want to do actual research into Freemasonry.

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

"33" represents the 33 degrees of criminal Freemasonry and we live in a Masonic world under their Masonic laws. Freemasons are the selfish, brainwashed foot soldiers of the Illuminati, they all get a slice of the corruption cake. Masons are the tools/fools to be used by their puppet masters, The Illuminati/ Oil Barons/ Bankers, the world's richest families.

Freemasons are destroying society 24/7 and they seriously don't care. They are only interested in back-scratching and protecting their pretend-brothers at any expense. Sod the planet, sod society, sod the future, we're alright Jack, sod YOU.

In the last ten years, the Masonic controlled Labour government has changed 3000 laws in favour of the NWO. Your next government is Masonic controlled. They have programmed you to accept this. They have dumbed you down. In return, we get their controlled media, computer games and stupid sports events. This in turn is designed to get more of your hard earned cash. It also keeps you dumbed down further. You don't get time to think as you are stuck in their mortgage or debt traps. EVERYTHING is manipulated by "THEM".

You are born into a Masonic prison. You are a born tax generator to their corrupt system. You are so blinkered, you pay them to do this. We all pay our taxes into a great big pot and when the criminals take their share, the rest of us fight for the pittance that's left.

Did you know that our politicians swear allegiance to the Queen ? Did you know that our Police Forces swear allegiance to the Queen ? Did you know that the Queen/Royal Family are the patron heads of World Freemasonry ? The Judiciary, NHS, Military, etc, are all infested with this human virus. This is ludicrous, we all pay the taxes/wages for criminals to control us.

We are all being controlled by a criminal organisation called Freemasonry and they also use the name "Common Purpose" (+ hundreds more names)

Freemasonry portrays itself as a wonderful, charitable fraternity of men. Why are they all hiding? Why do they all deny their membership? Why do they all use aliases. Why are they all prolific liars? Why do adults have to have secrets in this modern world ? etc.

Freemasonry is a fantastic network/system of ears and eyes. But it is used for extreme evil and control. If it's really all good, why can't it be done for free ? Why can't it be done for everyone in every community ? Why can't we have a public register of these good? people ? Why can't we be allowed to independently investigate THEM? After all, if they a good charitable organisation, they won't mind. What have they got to hide ?

We hate to depress you further, but when are you going to wake up? There is only ONE problem and it's "Freemasonry". Use your time wisely on these brilliant Icke, Makow, Jones, Rense, etc, forums and websites. This evil system is working on the kids at school as you read this. Get focused and use each other to find ways to educate each other to "Stop The Madness".

Please copy this everywhere to everyone. If you do nothing today, they win.

Joe Stirling (Veteran victim of Freekmasonry) I/we are sitting here with the evidence to bring them down but the elite won't let it happen.
__________________
I do not hate Masons or anybody, only ignorance and evil.

Have you ever met an actual honest-to-goodness Freemason? I have - several in fact, but one was my direct boss a long time ago. My old Regiment had the only 'Travelling' Masonic Lodge in Europe. He got drunk one night and told me all about it - showed me the handshake and everything. He was also prone to leaving the Lodge meeting minutes on the photocopier every now and then - obviously identifying more Masons.

Believe me when I say these people are about as sinister as the Boy Scouts, and would have trouble organising a piss-up in a brewery, let alone world domination.

An Old Boy's Club for sad old farts to get away from the wife and indulge in some (extremely) low-level back scratching and networking.

[gumboot]

Some are born free, some achieve freedom and some have freedom thrust upon them.

(With props to the Bard)

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

That's just what they want you to think...but underneath that deceptive veil...lol

TAM;)

That's a veilly effective veil! LOL!

:o

I'll get my coat....

[madurobob]

Freemasons are destroying society 24/7 and they seriously don't care.
They are not nearly as dangerous as the Shriners!
CPyri_BhVas

[applecorped]

Don't forget the Stonecutters!

[dudalb]

This guy calls David Icke "Brilliant".
That is all you need to know about his credibility.
Why are there so many Brits who are heavily into the Evil Freemasons CT Crap?
Yes, we have some in the USA (rpir proves that) but Brits seem more prone to this silliness then us Yanks.

[dudalb]

Don't forget the Stonecutters!

Hey, I used that joke about five Anti Masonic threads ago......

[dudalb]

They are not nearly as dangerous as the Shriners!
CPyri_BhVas


Actually, Shriners are A Masonic organization.
You have to be a Master Mason to join.
The best description of the Shrine would be a independent organization that requires being a Master Mason as a prerequistite for membership.

[applecorped]

Hey, I used that joke about five Anti Masonic threads ago......

I know but I love that episode!! Who else could make Steve Guttenberg a star? Not the Masons!

[fitzgibbon]

"33" represents the 33 degrees of criminal Freemasonry and we live in a Masonic world under their Masonic laws.

Ferinstance?


Freemasons are the selfish, brainwashed foot soldiers of the Illuminati, they all get a slice of the corruption cake.

Hmmm......I guess I must've missed that meeting.


Masons are the tools/fools to be used by their puppet masters, The Illuminati/ Oil Barons/ Bankers, the world's richest families.

Uh huh. Are we going to veer off into Israel, Rothschilds, etc.?


Freemasons are destroying society 24/7 and they seriously don't care. They are only interested in back-scratching and protecting their pretend-brothers at any expense.

Ferinstance?


Sod the planet, sod society, sod the future, we're alright Jack, sod YOU.

That sounds more like Hummer drivers who skew a tad different than yer average Mason. Not that the Buicks and Oldsmobiles that some of the older Masons drive are exactly light on Gaia but their general demeanour in life tends to compensate for that.


In the last ten years, the Masonic controlled Labour government has changed 3000 laws in favour of the NWO.

Tony's a Catholic now. Do you honestly think he would've tolerated Masonic control even on the off-chance that Masons were so inclined?


Your next government is Masonic controlled.

You mean Stephen and Dion are Masons?


They have programmed you to accept this. They have dumbed you down.

Ferinstance?


In return, we get their controlled media, computer games and stupid sports
events.

You know, I THOUGHT there was something intrinsically evil and Masonic about the Corpse not renewing the rights to the theme song from HNIC! And then CTV buys it in perpetuity! I mean perpetuity's intrinsically Masonic, idn't it? And don't get me started about the Leafs' Cup drought!


This in turn is designed to get more of your hard earned cash.

Plan's failing miserably then. Haven't paid a nickel for a professional sporting event in 15 years. Been comped. But then again, maybe that's 'cuz I'm a Mason! I mean it couldn't possibly be that I've worked on shows that've given profile to the Jays and the Raptors and they've comped the production company as a thank you for the profile, could it? Nahhh! Must be 'cuz I'm an evil NWO Mason©


It also keeps you dumbed down further.

THAT explains NASCAR! It might even explain the Scottish Rite-sponsored car!


You don't get time to think as you are stuck in their mortgage or debt traps. EVERYTHING is manipulated by "THEM".

Oddly enough, I'm middle-class and mortgage-free. I guess that wouldn't have anything to do with living within my means and paying the mortgage down on the front-end now would it? Nah! Just lil ol' evil NWO Masonic© me!


You are born into a Masonic prison. You are a born tax generator to their corrupt system.

Ah! Silly me! I thought my taxes supported society in general. Now that I've seen your light, I shall stop paying them at once, [rule 10] the consequences!


You are so blinkered, you pay them to do this. We all pay our taxes into a great big pot and when the criminals take their share, the rest of us fight for the pittance that's left.

So GM's a Masonic company?


Did you know that our politicians swear allegiance to the Queen ?

In Great Britain, that'd make sense. Less so in the States


Did you know that our Police Forces swear allegiance to the Queen ?

See answer above.


Did you know that the Queen/Royal Family are the patron heads of World Freemasonry?

Linky?


The Judiciary, NHS, Military, etc, are all infested with this human virus. This is ludicrous, we all pay the taxes/wages for criminals to control us.

Again, doesn't hold water but ya gots a link fer that?


We are all being controlled by a criminal organisation called Freemasonry and they also use the name "Common Purpose" (+ hundreds more names)

Linky?


Freemasonry portrays itself as a wonderful, charitable fraternity of men. Why are they all hiding?

Do you see me as hiding? You can find me at Mississauga Temple at the corner of Peter and Port Street in Port Credit, Ontario on the first and second Thursday of every month September to June. I won't give you my name but if that otherwise qualifies as "hiding" in your lexicon, you have a seriously skewed definition of hiding.


Why do they all deny their membership?

They don't.


Why do they all use aliases.

They don't. And, for that matter, why do YOU use an alias?


Why are they all prolific liars?

'Cuz it's fun to mess with the minds of the likes of you. To normal people, we're honest men.


Why do adults have to have secrets in this modern world ? etc.

You've never had to avoid fessing-up to the missus that you've pranged the car, have you?


Freemasonry is a fantastic network/system of ears and eyes. But it is used for extreme evil and control.

Ferinstance?


If it's really all good, why can't it be done for free?

Mac's a great OS. Why can't it be done for free?


Why can't it be done for everyone in every community ? Why can't we have a public register of these good? people?

Do you ever wonder what the Jews must've felt like in 1930's Germany? I'd venture that that'd be what Masons would feel like if your personal wet dream came to pass. Of course, once the Masons are documented, what about the K of C? And the C of E? Why stop?


Why can't we be allowed to independently investigate THEM? After all, if they a good charitable organisation, they won't mind. What have they got to hide ?

Why don't you start with the Queen? Surely Liz Bowles-Lion wouldn't mind? I mean, after all, it's for the country!


We hate to depress you further, but when are you going to wake up? There is only ONE problem and it's "Freemasonry".

Really? I would've pegged it as being personal greed. But then again, that's just me and my skewed Masonic, world-dominating mindset.


Use your time wisely on these brilliant Icke, Makow, Jones, Rense, etc, forums and websites.

Brilliant wouldn't be the first word that comes to mind for most.


This evil system is working on the kids at school as you read this. Get focused and use each other to find ways to educate each other to "Stop The Madness".

Yes! Stop the random acts of public good! Be selfish! Look after #1!


Please copy this everywhere to everyone. If you do nothing today, they win.

I've done my bit. Though somehow, I don't imagine it'll change one scintilla with you.


Joe Stirling (Veteran victim of Freekmasonry) I/we are sitting here with the evidence to bring them down but the elite won't let it happen.

"I/we"? You have more than one personality? And if you have the power and evidence you say, pray continue [That one's for Pardalis to show that even un mautit anglais can cite Lucien Bouchard :D].

__________________
I do not hate Masons or anybody, only ignorance and evil.

Ergo, you hate yourself.

[Axiom_Blade]

Don't forget the Stonecutters!

Not to mention the Loyal Order of Water Buffalo...!
I heard those are the worst of all!

[madurobob]

Actually, Shriners are A Masonic organization.
You have to be a Master Mason to join.
The best description of the Shrine would be a independent organization that requires being a Master Mason as a prerequistite for membership.

But wait... if the masons are a sooper sekrit organization whose members deny membership, how can the shriners know who the masons are in order to allow them in their club? And whats the connection to all those miniature cars and silly hats and parades? This is all too confusing for me.

[Darat]

...snip...

Why are there so many Brits who are heavily into the Evil Freemasons CT Crap?
Yes, we have some in the USA (rpir proves that) but Brits seem more prone to this silliness then us Yanks.


Probably because over here the Masons were (and still a re) quite an influential "old boys network". For instance at one time it was almost obligatory that a police officer would also be a Freemason. Add in the fact that there have been many documented examples of Freemason influence in police investigations and the like, throw in the fact that they are a real "secret society" and you've got all the ingredients for plenty of conspiracy style theories.

[Horatius]

Did you know that our politicians swear allegiance to the Queen ? Did you know that our Police Forces swear allegiance to the Queen ?




Uhm, yeah, that's because she's the Queen. :rolleyes:

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I propose that the OP is in fact a mason. But not quite in the way that masons are usually defined. When one becomes obsessed with something, either with destroying or upholding it, they define themselves in relation to it. Freemasonry appears to be the center of ban's universe and the main focus of how he sees himself.

Without freemasonry, he is nothing.

[Viper Daimao]

I was at a freemason party last sat. Mostly just some fun old guys in a bar drinking, talking, and ordering out for pizza (no bar food). A friend of mine is a member and another is trying to join. They are some really upstanding guys. No devil worshiping at all.

[Alt+F4]

Not to mention the Loyal Order of Water Buffalo...!
I heard those are the worst of all!

If you're gonna tell me that the Grand Poobah is one of our reptilian overloards I'm gonna be very, very sad!

[Donal]

Freemasonry? That's awesome. I have two short walls and a walkway that I need done. If they're willing to do it for no charge...well I'm willing to take them up on it! Who should I ask for when I call?

Careful. you get what you pay for.

[1337m4n]

Crap. I'm starting loose track of the super secret organizations who aim to take over the world.

Illuminati
Freemasons
Mossad
Skull n' Bones
Tau Beta Pi
Kappa Alpha Zeta
The Boy Scouts
The Girl Scouts
"The Government(tm)"
American Atheists
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Church of Scientology
PNAC
"Anonymous"

Is that all of them? Let me know if I missed any.

[LibraryLady]

I have to say something here. My brother is a Freemason, and has been for at least 40 years. He's a pretty nice guy, average intelligence or a bit above, has some issues about family, raised two wonderful children, supported his family adequately.

But as someone with the wherewithal to partake in a worldwide conspiracy. Um, don't think so. I've met a fair amount of his Mason cohorts. If these are the guys involved in the conspiracy, I hate to say it, it's not going anywhere. Unless it involves a fair amount of beer and wearing funny clothes.

[jaydeehess]

My father is a Mason. No secret about it, his father was too. I'm not

[Donal]

Illuminati
Freemasons
Mossad
Skull n' Bones
Tau Beta Pi
Kappa Alpha Zeta
The Boy Scouts
The Girl Scouts
"The Government(tm)"
American Atheists
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Church of Scientology
PNAC
"Anonymous"

Is that all of them? Let me know if I missed any.

Don't forget the Catholic Church (or just the Jesuits)
The Jooooooooos
The Neocons
SPECTRE
Secret Society of Super Villains

[madurobob]

Illuminati
Freemasons
Mossad
Skull n' Bones
Tau Beta Pi
Kappa Alpha Zeta
The Boy Scouts
The Girl Scouts
"The Government(tm)"
American Atheists
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Church of Scientology
PNAC
"Anonymous"

Is that all of them? Let me know if I missed any.

I think you missed "paid gov't shills" and "Bildebergers". Hell you might as well throw in Templar Knights, too.

[JonathanClement]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dyL-odyCIU

TAM:)

OMG!!! THANKS!!! I HAVE to use that in my dissection!

[JonathanClement]

Don't forget the Akatsuki...

[OldTigerCub]

If you're gonna tell me that the Grand Poobah is one of our reptilian overloards I'm gonna be very, very sad!

The title is "Grand Lizzard", so you can smile once more!:D

[Dog Town]

Ah yes, 33 was a great year. The end of prohibition. Long live booze...
If that was the Masons, I applaud them, Bravo!

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Dang - I was hoping it was a Rolling Rock beer reference.


Everyone knows Rolling Rock is the official beer of the Freemasons.

Thats really weird, because in my town the Masons openly identify themselves with emblems on their cars (http://www.freemasonstore.com/product_info.php?products_id=17755).


Same here.

[Dog Town]

Everyone knows Rolling Rock is the official beer of the Freemasons.

Well, Latrobe was one.
Hence, the answer to, why 33 is on the bottle.

[ihaunter]

Please copy this everywhere to everyone. If you do nothing today, they win.


Do you always do everything your told? I consider similar phrases to be an indicator of e-mails to ignore. If anyone is trying to get people to not think about what is being said, it's you.

I was going to list a score card of evidence presented (0) vs claims made. I gave up counting the unsubstantiated claims at 33.:jaw-dropp

[Horatius]

No devil worshiping at all.



None at all????





Well, screw that, I'm going Knights of Columbus!

[Horatius]

But as someone with the wherewithal to partake in a worldwide conspiracy. Um, don't think so.




That's just what he wants you to think!

[Travis]

"33" represents the 33 degrees of criminal Freemasonry and we live in a Masonic world under their Masonic laws. Freemasons are the selfish, brainwashed foot soldiers of the Illuminati, they all get a slice of the corruption cake. Masons are the tools/fools to be used by their puppet masters, The Illuminati/ Oil Barons/ Bankers, the world's richest families.

Freemasons are destroying society 24/7 and they seriously don't care. They are only interested in back-scratching and protecting their pretend-brothers at any expense. Sod the planet, sod society, sod the future, we're alright Jack, sod YOU.

In the last ten years, the Masonic controlled Labour government has changed 3000 laws in favour of the NWO. Your next government is Masonic controlled. They have programmed you to accept this. They have dumbed you down. In return, we get their controlled media, computer games and stupid sports events. This in turn is designed to get more of your hard earned cash. It also keeps you dumbed down further. You don't get time to think as you are stuck in their mortgage or debt traps. EVERYTHING is manipulated by "THEM".

You are born into a Masonic prison. You are a born tax generator to their corrupt system. You are so blinkered, you pay them to do this. We all pay our taxes into a great big pot and when the criminals take their share, the rest of us fight for the pittance that's left.

Did you know that our politicians swear allegiance to the Queen ? Did you know that our Police Forces swear allegiance to the Queen ? Did you know that the Queen/Royal Family are the patron heads of World Freemasonry ? The Judiciary, NHS, Military, etc, are all infested with this human virus. This is ludicrous, we all pay the taxes/wages for criminals to control us.

We are all being controlled by a criminal organisation called Freemasonry and they also use the name "Common Purpose" (+ hundreds more names)

Freemasonry portrays itself as a wonderful, charitable fraternity of men. Why are they all hiding? Why do they all deny their membership? Why do they all use aliases. Why are they all prolific liars? Why do adults have to have secrets in this modern world ? etc.

Freemasonry is a fantastic network/system of ears and eyes. But it is used for extreme evil and control. If it's really all good, why can't it be done for free ? Why can't it be done for everyone in every community ? Why can't we have a public register of these good? people ? Why can't we be allowed to independently investigate THEM? After all, if they a good charitable organisation, they won't mind. What have they got to hide ?

We hate to depress you further, but when are you going to wake up? There is only ONE problem and it's "Freemasonry". Use your time wisely on these brilliant Icke, Makow, Jones, Rense, etc, forums and websites. This evil system is working on the kids at school as you read this. Get focused and use each other to find ways to educate each other to "Stop The Madness".

Please copy this everywhere to everyone. If you do nothing today, they win.

Joe Stirling (Veteran victim of Freekmasonry) I/we are sitting here with the evidence to bring them down but the elite won't let it happen.


No! Bad! :eusa_naughty: Now go sit in the corner and think about what you did!

__________________
I do not hate Masons or anybody, only ignorance and evil.

:id:

[Sparky]

(Veteran victim of Freekmasonry)

Care to explain?

[DGM]

Illuminati
Freemasons
Mossad
Skull n' Bones
Tau Beta Pi
Kappa Alpha Zeta
The Boy Scouts
The Girl Scouts
"The Government(tm)"
American Atheists
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Church of Scientology
PNAC
"Anonymous"

Is that all of them? Let me know if I missed any.
Don't forget the scariest bunch of all.................The PTA:eek:

[Rika]

Akatsuki? How is a robot an orgnaization?

... I'll get me coat.

[fitzgibbon]

I'll go out on a limb here and suggest that everybody who thinks Masonry's about goats and devil worshipping and Illuminati should do some undercover investigation by joining a local Lodge. That way, they'd be able to infiltrate and gain some firsthand knowledge of the evil deeds taking place as well as giving their assertions some much-needed credibility

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I couldn't help but notice that 1337m4n has a 33 in his name... :tinfoil

[JimBenArm]

Illuminati
Freemasons
Mossad
Skull n' Bones
Tau Beta Pi
Kappa Alpha Zeta
The Boy Scouts
The Girl Scouts
"The Government(tm)"
American Atheists
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Church of Scientology
PNAC
"Anonymous"

Is that all of them? Let me know if I missed any.
What about the Lutherans? Huh? After all, they caused the Great Dakota Conflict that lead to the North/South Dakota split! They still don't speak to each other to this day!

[Grizzly Bear]

Masons are the tools/fools to be used by their puppet masters, The Illuminati/ Oil Barons/ Bankers, the world's richest families.


Somehow the direction of this fails to surprise me...


Freemasons are destroying society 24/7 and they seriously don't care. They are only interested in back-scratching and protecting their pretend-brothers at any expense.
...???



Sod the planet, sod society, sod the future, we're alright Jack, sod YOU.

Where do I go to assume the position?


Did you know that our politicians swear allegiance to the Queen?
I seriously hope you're not talking about Lindsay Lohan......

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee127/PSArtistsGuild/Miroku/Memes/efgmotivator01.jpg

I don't know about you, but I rationalize things for myself... this NWO you speak of doesn't seem to have reached me...

[Horatius]

... this NWO you speak of doesn't seem to have reached me...



...so far as you know.



They're really quite subtle, this NWO. You could be their Stooge, and not even know!

[gtc]

The Freekmasons sounds like a cool name for a hip hop crew.

[Ysidro]

Illuminati
Freemasons
Mossad
Skull n' Bones
Tau Beta Pi
Kappa Alpha Zeta
The Boy Scouts
The Girl Scouts
"The Government(tm)"
American Atheists
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Church of Scientology
PNAC
"Anonymous"

Is that all of them? Let me know if I missed any.

The Rand Corporation.
In conjuction with the saucer people.
Under the supervision of the reverse vampires.

In a fiendish plot to eliminate dinner. ;)

[technoextreme]

Akatsuki? How is a robot an orgnaization?

... I'll get me coat.
I'm assuming it's a reference to a Japanese cartoon called Naruto.

[Loss Leader]

Please copy this everywhere to everyone. If you do nothing today, they win.


Good luck with all that.

[damien pastaume]

ETA. We veering just a little wildly OT here?

Agreed. My brief thoughts on the OP:

The vast majority of Masons are ordinary, decent people. These are often called 'porch' masons - the shopfront presenting a respectable face to polite society. The benefits are generally those of simple nepotism/job favoritism and the satisfaction of serving their community through 'good works'. No big deal. My quarrel is not with these 90% of apron-wearers.

At the upper levels, however, we find some real movers and shakers: governors, presidents and other high-level decision makers. As JFK famously stated, no genuinely free society has any use for leaders who would meet shuttered away from the glare of public sunlight. At the very least, this breeds suspicion - at the worst it encourages conspiracies running contrary to the public good.

The OP was sadly typical of the rather frothing newbie to deeper politics. There is no one group at who one can point a bony finger and say 'it's them'.

No. It's not 'the jooooooos' - it's not 'the catholics' - it's not even the CFR, RIIA, or the Trilaterals.

This world has always, throughout history, been divided into two camps:

Priesthood and slaves.
Patricians and Plebians.
Aristocracy and commoners.
Elites and ordinary citizens.

All of the groups outlined - and many more - have been used as cover throughout the ages for the simple purpose of maintaining power. This, the ruling powers have done quite consummately for millennia.

However - we live in interesting times............

[abenja1]

Oh boy. Another thread by a petty and jealous man who couldn't get into his local Mason lodge. I'm counting down when this person will use the debunked Albert Pike worships Satan quote.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Illuminati
Freemasons
Mossad
Skull n' Bones
Tau Beta Pi
Kappa Alpha Zeta
The Boy Scouts
The Girl Scouts
"The Government(tm)"
American Atheists
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Church of Scientology
PNAC
"Anonymous"

Is that all of them? Let me know if I missed any.

*Mental Note* Alert "Apostacy Enforcement" division in Salt Lake that we have another leak and that 1337m4n needs a "baptism for the dead".

[Rika]

It's funny, I saw a report on Medicare about... 95? that says it was 20% of the average funds reaching the program.

.. But 20% > 0%. Funny, that.

ETA: Yeah, I know about Naruto, but I had to make the lame joke.

[Darat]

Many of the responses to this thread were, to be blunt, disgraceful and totally out of keeping with the spirit of this Forum. If you can't post within your Membership Agreement do not post at all and if a subject doesn't interest you do not trash the thread with a load of garbage. I've split much of the rubbish to AAH, the political/taxation derail can be found here: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=115694

[fullflavormenthol]

"33" represents the 33 degrees of...Freemasonry...

Okay. In Freemasonry there is no degree level higher than that of a Master Mason which is the 3rd degree. What you are talking about are degrees given by parallel Masonic organizations like the Scottish Rite, York Rite and the Shriner's.

This information is freely available, and it is important to understand that if you are going to criticise such organizations that you must get your facts straight before hand.

[BenBurch]

OP: Well, there are a LOT of Freemasons here who I assure you will not be happy with your libels. If you wanted a sympathetic crowd, you came to the wrong place.

[fitzgibbon]

Agreed. My brief thoughts on the OP:

The vast majority of Masons are ordinary, decent people.

True of pretty much every identifiable group of people.


These are often called 'porch' masons

By whom? Would this be the same class of individual who'd use the term "porch monkey"?


- the shopfront presenting a respectable face to polite society.

Uh...by your own numbers detailed below, the "respectable face" comprises the vast majority. Using your logic, convicted felons are emblematic of society as a whole.


The benefits are generally those of simple nepotism/job favoritism and the satisfaction of serving their community through 'good works'. No big deal. My quarrel is not with these 90% of apron-wearers.

You wanna give some citable examples of the "simple nepotism/job favoritism" that you're personally cognisant of? And why the qualifier arounbd 'good works'? You suggesting they really aren't so?


At the upper levels, however, we find some real movers and shakers:

Care to define "upper levels"? Bit of a nebulous term that.


governors, presidents and other high-level decision makers. As JFK famously stated, no genuinely free society has any use for leaders who would meet shuttered away from the glare of public sunlight.

Uh,,,,you do realise it was Communism of which he spoke? Or are you going to suggest he was really taking a swing at Catholicism in the form of the Knights of Columbus?


At the very least, this breeds suspicion - at the worst it encourages conspiracies running contrary to the public good.

At the worst, it breeds unfounded speculation of the type that's being demonstrated.

[1337m4n]

I couldn't help but notice that 1337m4n has a 33 in his name... :tinfoil

Well, yes, but that's because...ummm...OH MY GOD LOOK BEHIND YOU!

*runs*

[Sunstealer]

Free masonry certainly is a modern curse. I had a bit of masonry come free which was a bit of a danger so I called a mason to fix it. He wasn't free, he was bloody expensive I can tell ya!

[Travis]

ban freekmasons has not returned. I'm so shocked I could continue to sit in my chair doing exactly what I was doing before.

[Architect]

"33" represents the 33 degrees of criminal Freemasonry and we live in a Masonic world under their Masonic laws. Freemasons are the selfish, brainwashed foot soldiers of the Illuminati, they all get a slice of the corruption cake. Masons are the tools/fools to be used by their puppet masters, The Illuminati/ Oil Barons/ Bankers, the world's richest families.

Freemasons are destroying society 24/7 and they seriously don't care. They are only interested in back-scratching and protecting their pretend-brothers at any expense. Sod the planet, sod society, sod the future, we're alright Jack, sod YOU.



With respect, pal, this is a load of absolute mince. Let me give you a simple example:


the Masonic controlled Labour government has changed 3000 laws in favour of the NWO. Your next government is Masonic controlled.


The previous Labour administration may have been many things, however it's rather hard to imagine the Celtic season-ticket carrying former First Minister and his closest colleagues being Masons, isn't it?

Did you know that our politicians swear allegiance to the Queen ? Did you know that our Police Forces swear allegiance to the Queen ?

Yes. So what? Even Alex S. swore allegiance to the Queen, but it's patently obvious that he doesn't believe it or let it stand in the way of independence.

Did you know that the Queen/Royal Family are the patron heads of World Freemasonry ?

As a fellow Scot, I know you'll appreciate this reference:

"Do you have a point to make, caller?"


Use your time wisely on these brilliant Icke, Makow, Jones, Rense, etc, forums and websites. This evil system is working on the kids at school as you read this. Get focused and use each other to find ways to educate each other to "Stop The Madness".

Please tell me that you're not Scottish. It would be a damning indictment of our once-proud educational system.

[fuelair]

"33" represents the 33 degrees of criminal Freemasonry and we live in a Masonic world under their Masonic laws. Freemasons are the selfish, brainwashed foot soldiers of the Illuminati, they all get a slice of the corruption cake. Masons are the tools/fools to be used by their puppet masters, The Illuminati/ Oil Barons/ Bankers, the world's richest families.

Freemasons are destroying society 24/7 and they seriously don't care. They are only interested in back-scratching and protecting their pretend-brothers at any expense. Sod the planet, sod society, sod the future, we're alright Jack, sod YOU.

In the last ten years, the Masonic controlled Labour government has changed 3000 laws in favour of the NWO. Your next government is Masonic controlled. They have programmed you to accept this. They have dumbed you down. In return, we get their controlled media, computer games and stupid sports events. This in turn is designed to get more of your hard earned cash. It also keeps you dumbed down further. You don't get time to think as you are stuck in their mortgage or debt traps. EVERYTHING is manipulated by "THEM".

You are born into a Masonic prison. You are a born tax generator to their corrupt system. You are so blinkered, you pay them to do this. We all pay our taxes into a great big pot and when the criminals take their share, the rest of us fight for the pittance that's left.

Did you know that our politicians swear allegiance to the Queen ? Did you know that our Police Forces swear allegiance to the Queen ? Did you know that the Queen/Royal Family are the patron heads of World Freemasonry ? The Judiciary, NHS, Military, etc, are all infested with this human virus. This is ludicrous, we all pay the taxes/wages for criminals to control us.

We are all being controlled by a criminal organisation called Freemasonry and they also use the name "Common Purpose" (+ hundreds more names)

Freemasonry portrays itself as a wonderful, charitable fraternity of men. Why are they all hiding? Why do they all deny their membership? Why do they all use aliases. Why are they all prolific liars? Why do adults have to have secrets in this modern world ? etc.

Freemasonry is a fantastic network/system of ears and eyes. But it is used for extreme evil and control. If it's really all good, why can't it be done for free ? Why can't it be done for everyone in every community ? Why can't we have a public register of these good? people ? Why can't we be allowed to independently investigate THEM? After all, if they a good charitable organisation, they won't mind. What have they got to hide ?

We hate to depress you further, but when are you going to wake up? There is only ONE problem and it's "Freemasonry". Use your time wisely on these brilliant Icke, Makow, Jones, Rense, etc, forums and websites. This evil system is working on the kids at school as you read this. Get focused and use each other to find ways to educate each other to "Stop The Madness".

Please copy this everywhere to everyone. If you do nothing today, they win.

Joe Stirling (Veteran victim of Freekmasonry) I/we are sitting here with the evidence to bring them down but the elite won't let it happen.


This is a forum for free discussions of ideas and events. Please do not persist in posting without inviting discussion, or we will consider whether your posts are spam. Right now there is benefit of the doubt. Thank you.
__________________
I do not hate Masons or anybody, only ignorance and evil.What do you have against people who ride tiny motorcycles and drink and throw-up at their conventions?

[fuelair]

Uhm, yeah, that's because she's the Queen. :rolleyes: As long as it's THE Queen, not just Queen or just any old queen!!!

[twinstead]

Please tell me that you're not Scottish. It would be a damning indictment of our once-proud educational system.

Yea. I'm beginning to suspect he's American; I'm used to damning indictments of OUR once-proud educational system. ;)

[gtc]

Did you know that our politicians swear allegiance to the Queen ? Did you know that our Police Forces swear allegiance to the Queen ?

This is the first time I have heard of someone express surprise that the Queen is, well, the Queen.

[Bob Blaylock]

I think the OP would find the information at this link (http://www.zapatopi.net/afdb) to be very useful.

[fullflavormenthol]

I think the OP would find the information at this link (http://www.zapatopi.net/afdb) to be very useful.
Totally helpful for keeping the Masons from reading your mind.

[CptColumbo]

IIRC Canadien public servants still swear allegiance to the Queen, and she is still technically their monarch.

[jaydeehess]

Yea. I'm beginning to suspect he's American; I'm used to damning indictments of OUR once-proud educational system. ;)

So, is he using the term 'sod' to throw off the NWO attack dogs into thinking he is from the U.K., or is that term now used in the parts of southern Canada known as the USA?:)

[jaydeehess]

IIRC Canadien public servants still swear allegiance to the Queen, and she is still technically their monarch.

The military and the RCMP might. I do not recall doing so when I was hired by Transport Canada , but it was almost 30 years ago.

nit pick -- It's "Canadian" unless you are French, in which case it would be "Canadienne".

[fitzgibbon]

nit pick -- It's "Canadian" unless you are French, in which case it would be "Canadienne".

And I'll defer to Perdalis on this but IIRC my high school French from back in the day, it would only be "Canadienne" if one were of the XX chromosomal structure

[CptColumbo]

The military and the RCMP might. I do not recall doing so when I was hired by Transport Canada , but it was almost 30 years ago.

nit pick -- It's "Canadian" unless you are French, in which case it would be "Canadienne".I did a little reading.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Allegiance_%28Canada%29
The following is a list of persons in Canada who must take the Oath of Allegiance before occupying a governmental, military, police, or judicial post. Generally, these persons are appointed by the monarch or relevant viceroy, meaning they serve at Her Majesty's pleasure, and are charged with creating or administering the law.


Federal
Governor General of Canada
Supreme Court of Canada Justices
Federal Court Judges
Federal Court of Appeal Judges
Senators
Members of Parliament
Canadian Forces recruits
Royal Canadian Mounted Police recruits

Provincial
Lieutenant Governors
Superior Court Justices
Appelate Court Judges
Provincial Court Judges
Members of Legislative Assemblies, Members of Provincial Parliament, Members of the National Assembly, and Members of the House of Assembly
Ontario Provincial Police recruits (optional)

Variants
Members of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada
New Canadian citizens

Voluntary organizations
Canadian Bar Association members

The Public Service Modernization Act in 2003, removed the necessity for bureaucratic civil servants to take the oath to their employer.

[ban freekmasons]

OK, have read your posts. How and where can we present our concrete evidence ? without any Masonic intervention.

Any sensible suggestions please.

[abenja1]

OK, have read your posts. How and where can we present our concrete evidence ? without any Masonic intervention.

Any sensible suggestions please.

For one thing I suggest not bringing up the Albert Pike worships Satan thing because I have that all ready and loaded to shoot with my debunker gun.

[NickUK]

I don't know about being born fre33, but I'm quite h4ppy now. M0st of the t1m3 anyw4y.

[1337m4n]

OK, have read your posts. How and where can we present our concrete evidence ? without any Masonic intervention.

Any sensible suggestions please.

Obviously not.

[X]

Who's "we"?

[Drudgewire]

;3777408']Who's "we"?

ban freekmasons and the voices in his head I assume.

[Darat]

OK, have read your posts. How and where can we present our concrete evidence ? without any Masonic intervention.

Any sensible suggestions please.

Here for a start.

[fitzgibbon]

OK, have read your posts. How and where can we present our concrete evidence ? without any Masonic intervention.

Any sensible suggestions please.

What exactly qualifies as "Masonic intervention" in your lexicon? Anyone who contradicts you? Of all places on the Internet, this is the most unlikely place for you to expect unquestioning obsequiousness.

[abenja1]

I can the OP has hit PP: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=44263.msg199467;topicseen#msg19946 7

[Elizabeth I]

Uhm, yeah, that's because she's the Queen. :rolleyes:

They're really quite subtle, this NWO. You could be their Stooge, and not even know!


Okay, but only if I can be Curly or Larry. I absolutely refuse to be Moe. And Shemp is right out.

[jhunter1163]

Okay, but only if I can be Curly or Larry. I absolutely refuse to be Moe. And Shemp is right out.

And don't even get me STARTED on Joe Besser.

[Elizabeth I]

And don't even get me STARTED on Joe Besser.

See there? I had completely repressed him. You're right.

[CptColumbo]

You remember Joe Besser, but forget Curly Joe DeRita? What is wrong with you people?

But what do I know, I like Shemp.

[Elizabeth I]

You remember Joe Besser, but forget Curly Joe DeRita? What is wrong with you people?

ZOMG!!! I had forgotten him too! Thanks a lot, CC - you just had to remind me, didn't you?

But what do I know, I like Shemp.

Maybe you could be helped by a professional.

[CptColumbo]

ZOMG!!! I had forgotten him too! Thanks a lot, CC - you just had to remind me, didn't you? It's what I do.



Maybe you could be helped by a professional.
I once saw a documentary on the Stooges and the narrator said, "If you like Curly you're in the majority, Shemp you still have friends, Curly Joe you're stretching it, and if Joe Besser is your favorite Third Stooge you might want to lie down."

[fullflavormenthol]

I can the OP has hit PP: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=44263.msg199467;topicseen#msg19946 7
And the scary part is they are all really supportive of the post and talking about the Jewish/Mason plan for world domination. :rolleyes:

[JimBenArm]

You remember Joe Besser, but forget Curly Joe DeRita? What is wrong with you people?

But what do I know, I like Shemp.
And his goats?

[Ladewig]

OK, have read your posts. How and where can we present our concrete evidence ? without any Masonic intervention.

Any sensible suggestions please.

Actually, I've resigned myself to not getting any evidence from you, so instead, I'll ask a more important question. What exactly would you have us do? You've already suggested that we copy your screed everywhere we could. What exactly do you expect to happen when these facts become widely known?

We are talking about a cabal powerful enough to decide who gets elected to the most powerful nations on earth. They've controlled all aspects of world affairs for over two centuries! In the U.S., they control the presidency, the Supreme Court, and large swaths of Congress. Obviously, an impeachment is out because the folks running such a trial would all be in on it. An armed rebellion won't work because the president will bring in U.N. troops to squash any uprising.

How exactly do you suggest that the Britons overthrow the Queen? Again, EU and UN soldiers will protect the status quo and the royal family.

If such a conspiracy were even half as powerful as you suggest, there would be absolutely nothing that ordinary people could do to stop it.



. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
ETA:
And don't even get me STARTED on Joe Besser.

Great now I have his voice in my head and can't get it out. "Stop it, already"
'

[Blue_Sargasso]

I wish the skeptics on this forum would show rather more intelligence in their replies to various postings. They often seem to reveal a wilful stupidity, usually so that they can crack some pathetic 'joke' for their friends' benefit.
(Cue pathetic joke in response to this. Don't bother...you're a bore!)

If, for example, someone says that Freemasons are evil and are running the world, the typical response of the skeptics is to say, ‘Oh, I know a few, and they’re harmless old guys. In fact I’m a Mason myself.’ They will then usually tell a feeble Homer Simpson gag.

Even a modicum of thought should make the smug skeptics pause for thought. Consider an army. The vast majority are infantry who have no say in anything. The generals are the ones who take the decisions. When you talk about Freemasons you personally know, you’re referring to the equivalent of the grunts. These people have no influence. They most probably don’t even know what Masonry truly is (just as infantry are frequently entirely ignorant of their government's foreign policy objectives). Mike Hockney’s book The Armageddon Conspiracy will show you what’s really going on - though he's much too nice to the Masons in my opinion. The generals of the freemasons (Bush and his entire administration; Brown and much of his) are the masons that people are objecting to....plus all the usual bankers, CEOs, media barons, military-industrial complex etc

It's highly amusing when one hears Americans claiming that 'the Brits' are obsessed with Freemasons. America is the most Masonic country on earth. It was founded by Freemasons, its first President was a Freemason and it has always been run by Freemasons. JFK was probably assassinated because he definitely wasn't a Mason - being the first Catholic President ever (and it was practically a miracle that he got elected in the first place, such was the level of Masonic resistance). WASP = Freemason. Does it also equal skeptic? I wouldn't be surprised. How many skeptics are actually doing very well under Masonic rule, being good little WASPS, and don't want anything to change?

Homer Simpson joke, anyone? Stonecutters blah blah blah.....Actually the funniest Simpsons joke was when the Aliens announced that they weren't doing any more anal probes because they had learned all they could from that particular avenue of discovery. One gets the same impression when dealing with the laugh-a-minute cackling skeptics. In their case, they need to do a lot more probing!!!

[TexasJack]

Do you think Mike Rotch is a freemason?

[drkitten]

I wish the skeptics on this forum would show rather more intelligence in their replies to various postings.


If, for example, someone says that Freemasons are evil and are running the world, the typical response of the skeptics is to say, ‘Oh, I know a few, and they’re harmless old guys. In fact I’m a Mason myself.’ They will then usually tell a feeble Homer Simpson gag.

Even a modicum of thought should make the smug skeptics pause for thought. [snip]

Homer Simpson joke, anyone? Stonecutters blah blah blah.....

I'd be delighted. "It takes two to lie, Marge. One to lie, and one to listen."

Someone has lied to you, and you obviously listened.

[HyJinX]

Do you think Mike Rotch is a freemason?

I know for a FACT that Amanda Hugankiss is.

[Bobert]

Funny that your handle abreviates to BS.
How ironic.

Please attack the argument, not the arguer or his/her name. Thank you.

[NobbyNobbs]

Even a modicum of thought should make the smug skeptics pause for thought. Consider an army. The vast majority are infantry who have no say in anything. The generals are the ones who take the decisions. When you talk about Freemasons you personally know, you’re referring to the equivalent of the grunts. These people have no influence. They most probably don’t even know what Masonry truly is (just as infantry are frequently entirely ignorant of their government's foreign policy objectives). Mike Hockney’s book The Armageddon Conspiracy will show you what’s really going on - though he's much too nice to the Masons in my opinion. The generals of the freemasons (Bush and his entire administration; Brown and much of his) are the masons that people are objecting to....plus all the usual bankers, CEOs, media barons, military-industrial complex etc

Then perhaps rather than a sweeping generalization like "The Freemasons are evil and taking over the world", you should be saying something like "a few well-placed people in the top echelon of the Freemasons are evil and taking over the world." Otherwise, to use your comparison, it's like calling every member of the army evil.

Of course, it's still up to you to prove your assertion.



They most probably don’t even know what Masonry truly is

And how is it you know what Masonry truly is? Are you a member? One of the top ranking folks? Are you suggesting that someone who is a member knows less about the organization than you, who aren't? If they are secretly trying to take over the world, it would appear they're doing a singularly poor job of it (both the "secretly" and the "taking over" parts).

[dudalb]

It's highly amusing when one hears Americans claiming that 'the Brits' are obsessed with Freemasons. America is the most Masonic country on earth. It was founded by Freemasons, its first President was a Freemason and it has always been run by Freemasons. JFK was probably assassinated because he definitely wasn't a Mason - being the first Catholic President ever (and it was practically a miracle that he got elected in the first place, such was the level of Masonic resistance). WASP = Freemason. Does it also equal skeptic? I wouldn't be surprised. How many skeptics are actually doing very well under Masonic rule, being good little WASPS, and don't want anything to change?
Wow, that is a bunch of crap for one paragraph.

God, I think we have somewhat more literate ronpaulisright on our hands..someone who buys any stray conspiracy theory that comes along.
Notice how Blue Saragasso never sticks around in the threads he starts?
Only time will tell if we have a genuine nutcase on our hand or just a troll.

[16.5]

Blue Sargasso:

Six Posts.
Six Threads.

One raging obsession with the Free Masons.

Here is my favorite Homer Simpson episode:

Bart: 'You're watching PBS?'
Homer: 'Hey, I'm as surprised as you, but I stumbled across the most delicious British sitcom.'
Bart: [reading title] 'Do Shut Up'?
Homer: 'It's about a hard-drinking yet loving family of soccer hooligans. If they're not having a go with the birds, they're having a row with the wankers.'

[Drudgewire]

Is there a way to completely ignore new threads started by someone on your ignore list. Because until BS (heh) posts at least one time in a thread he started and then fled from, I'd prefer to not even know he exists.

[dudalb]

Funny that your handle abreviates to BS.
How ironic.

Well played, sir,well played.

[Dr Adequate]

Even a modicum of thought should make the smug skeptics pause for thought. Consider an army. The vast majority are infantry who have no say in anything. The generals are the ones who take the decisions. When you talk about Freemasons you personally know, you’re referring to the equivalent of the grunts. These people have no influence. They most probably don’t even know what Masonry truly is (just as infantry are frequently entirely ignorant of their government's foreign policy objectives). However, infantrymen do have to actively participate in a war, should there be one, by, for example, firing guns at people, thus advancing their government's foreign policy objectives.

What is it that the lowly "grunts" in the army of Freemasonry actually do to achieve the sinister goals of the shadowy figures at the top?

The generals of the freemasons (Bush and his entire administration; Brown and much of his) are the masons that people are objecting to....plus all the usual bankers, CEOs, media barons, military-industrial complex etc Strange. You seem to be arguing that the people who are secretly running the world are the same people who are ostensibly running the world, or, to put it another way, that Bush is his own fall guy.

It's highly amusing when one hears Americans claiming that 'the Brits' are obsessed with Freemasons. America is the most Masonic country on earth. It was founded by Freemasons, its first President was a Freemason and it has always been run by Freemasons. JFK was probably assassinated because he definitely wasn't a Mason - being the first Catholic President ever (and it was practically a miracle that he got elected in the first place, such was the level of Masonic resistance). WASP = Freemason. Evidence?

[dudalb]

BTW, the same evidence that BS uses to prove the freemasons run America I can use to prove that the Episcopalians are the secret masters.

[Dog Town]

To answer the question posed by BS:
I think I like anything that scares the bejesus, out of twoofers. Anything you hardly boys don't like, can't be all bad.
As for making jokes at your expense, well, you folks are just so darn unintentionally hysterical. "And I don't care who ya are, that's funny!"

[1337m4n]

Why do paranoid maniacs hate the Freemasons so much?

[Drudgewire]

BTW, the same evidence that BS uses to prove the freemasons run America I can use to prove that the Episcopalians are the secret masters.


http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/ssh.gif


Umm... I mean, we most certainly are not. :whistling

[Arus808]

why does Blue Sargasso (BS) not participate in the threads he starts? I suggest that we ignore him and nay threads he starts until he participates in the ones he's already started.

HIT and RUN Poster guys. Best to ignore.

[Darat]

Folks remember your Membership Agreement - if you have nothing to add to the topic under discussion don't post.

[Praktik]

It's highly amusing when one hears Americans claiming that 'the Brits' are obsessed with Freemasons. America is the most Masonic country on earth.

What I find interesting about American history and the Masons is not so much the Masons themselves, but the Anti-Masonic Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Masonic_Party), which as far as I know is the most successful party of its kind I've ever heard of. It was highly regional though, being located mostly in Pennsylvania and the northeast. The equivalent today would be having a 9/11 Truth political party elect a governor!

In any event, the success of that party - though short-lived - was evidence of a streak of conspiratorial thinking in American culture. We went from anti-masonry to anti-catholic conspiracies, "free silver" and fear of "bankers" (exploited handily by Presidents like Jackson and Polk). What explains the propensity of people to blame their problems on Masons - or today - the NWO?

Rapid societal change, a relatively vulnerable America (or at least feeling that way), economic uncertainty, the list goes on....

In any case - I think we're still paying for that history today, and its no surprise that the 9/11 conspiracy theories had such a fertile ground from which to grow - America after all has a long unbroken line of thinking that blames secret cabals and foreigners for their problems....;)

[gtc]

I wish the skeptics on this forum would show rather more intelligence in their replies to various postings. They often seem to reveal a wilful stupidity, usually so that they can crack some pathetic 'joke' for their friends' benefit.
(Cue pathetic joke in response to this. Don't bother...you're a bore!)

And then there are some posters for whom stupidity comes naturally....


If, for example, someone says that Freemasons are evil and are running the world, the typical response of the skeptics is to say, ‘Oh, I know a few, and they’re harmless old guys. In fact I’m a Mason myself.’ They will then usually tell a feeble Homer Simpson gag.

Actually, I always laugh at that gag. However, it is not wrong to use the 'harmless old guy or I'm one myself' argument. If you are suggesting that Freemasons are evil (as opposed to say, Freemasons are part of an evil movement); then you have to account for the fact that Freemasons tend not to be evil.

Even a modicum of thought should make the smug skeptics pause for thought.

We do pause for thought. We think, 'This is, on the face of it, a ridiculous idea; they will need some good evidence to convince me.'. Then we read the rest of the post and there is never any evidence presented.


Consider an army. The vast majority are infantry who have no say in anything. The generals are the ones who take the decisions.'/quote]

But your argument is that Freemasons are evil; that is each and every one. If yuo are suggesting that the ordinary members are not evil then you are changing your claim. However, if the upper echelon are evil and the ordinary members are simply doing their bidding then surely you could point to what evil actions the ordinary members are being asked to undertake. Then we get back to the fact that the ordinary members are not doing anything evil or immoral.

[QUOTE=Blue_Sargasso;3785046]
When you talk about Freemasons you personally know, you’re referring to the equivalent of the grunts. These people have no influence. They most probably don’t even know what Masonry truly is (just as infantry are frequently entirely ignorant of their government's foreign policy objectives).

I think that the members here from the infrantry will have something to say to you about this - you also need to show what evil things the ordinary Freemasons are being ordered to do.

Mike Hockney’s book The Armageddon Conspiracy will show you what’s really going on - though he's much too nice to the Masons in my opinion. The generals of the freemasons (Bush and his entire administration; Brown and much of his) are the masons that people are objecting to....plus all the usual bankers, CEOs, media barons, military-industrial complex etc

Do you have any evidence about these claims?


It's highly amusing when one hears Americans claiming that 'the Brits' are obsessed with Freemasons. America is the most Masonic country on earth. It was founded by Freemasons, its first President was a Freemason and it has always been run by Freemasons. JFK was probably assassinated because he definitely wasn't a Mason - being the first Catholic President ever (and it was practically a miracle that he got elected in the first place, such was the level of Masonic resistance).

That is actually not correct; there are numerous Catholic Freemasons.


WASP = Freemason.

So every White Anglo Saxon Protestant is now an evil Freemason and every Freemason is a White Anglo Saxon Protestant. I think this can be rebutted fairly easily.


Does it also equal skeptic?

Surprisingly enough, the skeptic movement even allows non-whites and non-Protestants to join. Heck, I have heard that there are even have some skeptics who don't believe in any religion.


I wouldn't be surprised.

Sadly, you are correct that you would not be surprised if this was true.


How many skeptics are actually doing very well under Masonic rule, being good little WASPS, and don't want anything to change?

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Homer Simpson joke, anyone? Stonecutters blah blah blah.....Actually the funniest Simpsons joke was when the Aliens announced that they weren't doing any more anal probes because they had learned all they could from that particular avenue of discovery. One gets the same impression when dealing with the laugh-a-minute cackling skeptics. In their case, they need to do a lot more probing!!!

You complain about stone-cutter jokes and then you make an anal-probe joke.

How sad.

[fullflavormenthol]

You know its hard to take all the anti-Mason people seriously when their so wrong on even the most basic facts of Freemasonry.

[fitzgibbon]

If, for example, someone says that Freemasons are evil and are running the world, the typical response of the skeptics is to say, ‘Oh, I know a few, and they’re harmless old guys. In fact I’m a Mason myself.’ They will then usually tell a feeble Homer Simpson gag.

Maybe it's because those making the original assertion in no believable way back up their assertions. And usually, those making the assertions also assert that Masonry is monolithic world entity, completely ignoring the fact that Masonry in the States is a state-by-state thing with each state Grand Lodge separate and equal and not in any way controlled by any overarching body. The same applies here in Canada. Kind of makes claiming a worldwide Masonic conspiracy equivalent to herding cats.


Even a modicum of thought should make the smug skeptics pause for thought. Consider an army. The vast majority are infantry who have no say in anything.

Imagine an army where the general is only at the top of the heap for one year before being replaced by his immediate junior officer who, in turn, will only be at the top of the heap for a year before being replaced by his immediate junior officer. And so on. And so on. And so on. [/QUOTE]

Also factor-in that the general can't do anything without the approval of a majority of his infantrymen. Remember the cat herding thing?


The generals are the ones who take the decisions. When you talk about Freemasons you personally know, you’re referring to the equivalent of the grunts.

Hate to break it to you but Masonry's a democracy. You want to answer just how the "generals" are going to pull the wool over everyone's eyes?


These people have no influence. They most probably don’t even know what Masonry truly is (just as infantry are frequently entirely ignorant of their government's foreign policy objectives).

Wrong and wrong. But thanks for playing.


The generals of the freemasons (Bush and his entire administration;

Guess what? Neither Bush is a Freemason. Skull and Bones =/= Masonry. But again, thanks for playing.


It's highly amusing when one hears Americans claiming that 'the Brits' are obsessed with Freemasons. America is the most Masonic country on earth. It was founded by Freemasons, its first President was a Freemason and it has always been run by Freemasons.

Citation please! Care to hazard a guess who the most recent Freemason president was?


JFK was probably assassinated because he definitely wasn't a Mason - being the first Catholic President ever (and it was practically a miracle that he got elected in the first place, such was the level of Masonic resistance).

You sure had to dig deep for that chunk of lead.


WASP = Freemason.

Guess what? Sikh=Freemason. Jew=Freemason. Protestant=Freemason. Islamic=Freemason. See a pattern developing here?


Does it also equal skeptic? I wouldn't be surprised. How many skeptics are actually doing very well under Masonic rule, being good little WASPS, and don't want anything to change?

Seems to me that you're treading awfully close to stundie territory with that assertion.

[CptColumbo]

I wish the skeptics on this forum would show rather more intelligence in their replies to various postings. They often seem to reveal a wilful stupidity, usually so that they can crack some pathetic 'joke' for their friends' benefit.
(Cue pathetic joke in response to this. Don't bother...you're a bore!)
I don't doubt that your post are ridiculed a lot, but when a post has no real basis in reality it's hard to not mock it.

If, for example, someone says that Freemasons are evil and are running the world, the typical response of the skeptics is to say, ‘Oh, I know a few, and they’re harmless old guys. In fact I’m a Mason myself.’ They will then usually tell a feeble Homer Simpson gag.It really sucks when someone who might know something about what your writing decides to chime in and offer an opinion.

[Jon_Stripe]

O.k., I've read your thread but can you provide me with some more compelling evidence of your idea? Please, I'm not a "skeptic" per-say but I like to look at things from multiple sides and views to come to a conclusion I find fit. If you simply tell us that they ARE evil and we need to listen to everything you say that makes us as bad as sheep. For us to take everything you say with out our own thought imput thats simply brainwashing.

It's not that I don't believe there is a 'big picture' but I would like to see reasoning for your conclusion.

[tomwaits]

If the masons are just "grunts" who are all working towards a goal dictated by the generals, what exactly are they doing that benefits these generals? Do the generals require a large amount of fried fish for some kind of pagan ritual?

[Nick227]

If, for example, someone says that Freemasons are evil and are running the world, the typical response of the skeptics is to say, ‘Oh, I know a few, and they’re harmless old guys. In fact I’m a Mason myself.’ They will then usually tell a feeble Homer Simpson gag.

Even a modicum of thought should make the smug skeptics pause for thought.

Blue Sargasso,

Does it not occur to you that, if you presented evidence, if you did meaningful research, then people might take your posts a bit more seriously?

I've read most of your posts on this forum and you have not done these things. You quote populist CT material but you don't research anything for yourself. What do you actually know about Freemasonry? Why not research them a bit before jumping to the populist CT conclusion that they are all evil and forwarding a secret plan to control the world? Read their history; find out about the structure; check out their beliefs and esoteric background. They are not so secret that these thing cannot be done. Read and research from a variety of sources, not just a book you picked up from one CT author.

I do not consider myself a mindless skeptic and I would be happy to debate with you about Freemasonry or Gnosticism or Zeitgeist or whatever else you're busy with on this forum. But you are going to have to be prepared to research and learn first. If you just come out with sweeping statements accrued from CT material, I think it's inevitable people will just react on you.

Nick

[Fengirl]

Well, now. I happen to be married to a fairly senior freemason. By “senior” I mean Deputy Grand Master of a Masonic Order with members on three continents. That makes him the global No. 2 for that particular organisation. So, not really one of the “grunts”. Not a “knife and fork” mason, but someone very committed, well-connected masonically and actively involved in supporting and promoting Freemasonry, worldwide.

I must say I am mightily excited to discover that I am so close to the top of this vast and powerful conspiracy! I’m not quite sure how my husband fits his secret world domination duties around his full-time job, his charity commitments, his other pastimes and his extensive World of Warcraft schedule… but clearly, he has this whole other secret life about which I know nothing!

Rest assured, when he returns from work I will be sure to interrogate him vigorously* and report back my findings.


* This may or may not be a euphemism.

[madurobob]

I must say I am mightily excited to discover that I am so close to the top of this vast and powerful conspiracy! I’m not quite sure how my husband fits his secret world domination duties around his full-time job, his charity commitments, his other pastimes and his extensive World of Warcraft schedule… but clearly, he has this whole other secret life about which I know nothing!
The answer is in plain sight...

[Praktik]

And Fengirl for the win!

brilliant ;)

[Jontg]

The answer is in plain sight...

I always knew there was a reason I've never played WoW! It's a front for the space lizards! (brandishes shotgun)

[ban freekmasons]

How come the defenders of Freemasonry always hide behind the curtains ? They have a lot to say as long as they hide?

Like we say guys we are sitting here with mountains of concrete evidence. We have invited the top Masons (for 3 years now) to come and talk to their victims in front of a live, independent, filmed audience. Still no reply and the offer is still available.

[Darat]

Ban freekmasons - saying you are waiting to make a documentary is not presenting your evidence here. We are still waiting for you to present your evidence here.

[funk de fino]

How come the defenders of Freemasonry always hide behind the curtains ? They have a lot to say as long as they hide?

Like we say guys we are sitting here with mountains of concrete evidence. We have invited the top Masons (for 3 years now) to come and talk to their victims in front of a live, independent, filmed audience. Still no reply and the offer is still available.


You are an embarrassment to our great wee nation

get a grip dobber

[fullflavormenthol]

How come the defenders of Freemasonry always hide behind the curtains ? They have a lot to say as long as they hide?

Like we say guys we are sitting here with mountains of concrete evidence. We have invited the top Masons (for 3 years now) to come and talk to their victims in front of a live, independent, filmed audience. Still no reply and the offer is still available.
What is this concrete evidence? Who are these top Masons? Nothing in your posts, your screen name or anything else about you gives off the impression that you'll allow for any fair and independent debate.

Still if you are shouting challenges directed at 33 degree Freemasons over the internet than you will get no response. Why? Because there are no 33 degree Freemasons. You need to direct your little fit at members of parallel Masonic organizations like the Shriner's, Scottish Rite, or York Rite; most importantly quit lumping them all together as one entity.

The truth is I would ignore you simply because you clearly don't understand anything about Masonry. And what is your evidence? More of the same old Protocals of the Elders of Zion hoax? More of the same Morals and Dogma hoax? You know the section where it supposedly talks about world domination. The part that isn't actually in Morals and Dogma.

If your evidence is so concrete than present a single piece of it right here.

[Praktik]

Evidence?? Geez, a page of assertions with no footnotes not good enough for you? ;)

[Ladewig]

How come the defenders of Freemasonry always hide behind the curtains ? They have a lot to say as long as they hide?

Like we say guys we are sitting here with mountains of concrete evidence. We have invited the top Masons (for 3 years now) to come and talk to their victims in front of a live, independent, filmed audience. Still no reply and the offer is still available.

You've ignored requests for evidence.
You've ignored my request for what you expect us to do.

How about this: please explain why you are still alive. You are trying to expose people who have killed tens of millions of people! The are responsible for both World Wars. They control the CIA, the KGB, and MI-5 (whose motto is "regnum defende" (more evidence of the Queen's power)). Why would they not simply kill you and make it look like an accident?

[dudalb]

Evidence?? Geez, a page of assertions with no footnotes not good enough for you? ;)

And assertions that have been ripped to shreds time and time and time again.

[calebprime]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISWOrI0WaLs

I really like this version by Matt Monroe!

[calebprime]

Folks remember your Membership Agreement - if you have nothing to add to the topic under discussion don't post.

sorry.

[fullflavormenthol]

BTW, if anyone wants to read the text Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike. It is actually available for free on Project Gutenburg.

[ban freekmasons]

To answer all of your questions
Just checkout our latest post called "How to stop the NWO immediately"
No doubt the Masons will shout from behind the curtains.
Anonymous communications are usually ignored.

[Darat]

To answer all of your questions
Just checkout our latest post called "How to stop the NWO immediately"
No doubt the Masons will shout from behind the curtains.
Anonymous communications are usually ignored.

Since you state that your "latest post" (you meant "new thread") answers the questions raised in this thread in regards to your opening post I've merged it into this thread.

Revision to above decision: I have just glanced through the post you made and it stated that "This email is brought to you by the Anti Corruption Party (a support group for victims of Freemasonry) We are all victims but YOU just haven't worked it out yet." therefore it is obvious that this is again nothing more than an attempt to breach Rule 6, you have already been warned about this in the opening post of this thread. Therefore the post has in fact been deleted.

You are more than welcome to come here and discuss your particular interests that are appropriate for this Forum and section however you are not welcome to come here to simply spam or flood this Forum.

[Ladewig]

To answer all of your questions
Just checkout our latest post called "How to stop the NWO immediately"
No doubt the Masons will shout from behind the curtains.
Anonymous communications are usually ignored.

I typed your phrase into a search engine and found your latest post.

Suggesting that it answers all of our questions is an especially absurd claim.

If you hope to be taken seriously, you should (1) read the specific questions asked in this thread and respond to them and (2) not believe that everyone who asks for evidence supports the Masons. If you cannot or will not follow this advice, then prepare for mocking, jabs, and a complete rejection of your claims.


. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
ETA: for those not willing to go to the B.F.'s conspiracy board, allow me to summarize his position: We must pass a law requiring that the Masons list all their members. That's it.

[moon1969]

Alexander Haig is a Knight of Malta. Haig said something interesting.

"it depends on what you're trying to accomplish".
-Alexander Haig-

Haig said that in the film The Trials of Henry Kissinger when they asked Haig about René Schneider. So maybe Haig knows more about what happend to René Schneider? Or maybe not. What does that even matter? Does Christopher Hitchens and others think that Salvador Allende was a hero? LOL Salvador Allende was a friend of Fidel Castro. He would have been another communist dictator. Augusto Pinochet made mistakes. Augusto Pinochet was not a Fidel Castro. Salvador Allende would have been another Fidel Castro.

[moon1969]

Billy Graham is a Honorary Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire.

[Billdave2]

To answer all of your questions
Just checkout our latest post called "How to stop the NWO immediately"
No doubt the Masons will shout from behind the curtains.
Anonymous communications are usually ignored.

You ignore anonymous communications, yet you come here and post anonymously. I would say that is rather bronzy or goldy, only made out of iron.:rolleyes:

You say in the other thread that you (and your Anti Corruption Party) want a national register of all Masons. So why don't you go first and give us a register of the Anti Corruption Party? That is, unless you have something to hide.:D

[Praktik]

Augusto Pinochet made mistakes.

Yes, and Mugabe has made some mistakes too...

:eye-poppi

[gtc]

I did some investigoogling and found that the anti-corruption party stood for the Scottish Parliament in the Lothian (Edingburgh) region in 1999 (http://www.election.demon.co.uk/scotcand.html). They scored a grand total of 54 votes (http://www.alba.org.uk/scot07results/lr00.html).

Tom Mason, of the Conservative party scored 3655 (http://www.alba.org.uk/scot07results/nr01.html) votes in Aberdeen Central for the Conservatives.

[fullflavormenthol]

Well he made it a grand total of 8 posts before getting himself banned. Who didn't see this one coming? I feel bad for even responding, because honestly these posts were cut and paste and could be found scattered around the net.

[jaydeehess]

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
ETA: for those not willing to go to the B.F.'s conspiracy board, allow me to summarize his position: We must pass a law requiring that the Masons list all their members. That's it.


So, does the government require a full list of the membership of the Lions, Rotary, or Knights of Columbus?

New phrase for a Congress that would suit B.F., "Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of a Masonic lodge?"

That, or,

"burn the witches..."

[Old Bob]

Mason history is very interesting, they say that they go back beyond this world. The temple is placed on a ley line and has 2 pillars in front called Booz and Jachin named after the pillars of Solomon's temple. The lower members know nothing until they climb up degrees. eg 33 means "The living dead" You can't join unless you carry a spirit with in you. In side the hidden room(no windows) is all manner of things, like a moon tree symbol, blue squared carpet meaning stand over same as police,4 compass points and a wooden mallet to symbolize the nailing up of JC. Mason and jews go hand in hand.

[gtc]

Mason history is very interesting, they say that they go back beyond this world.

Who says this?

The temple is placed on a ley line

Ley lines have never been shown to exist, how can you tell if they are built on ley lines or not?

and has 2 pillars in front called Booz and Jachin named after the pillars of Solomon's temple. The lower members know nothing until they climb up degrees. eg 33 means "The living dead" You can't join unless you carry a spirit with in you.

The other masons say that the 33rd degree is not part of the mainstream masonic movement. How do you know they exist? How can you prove that they have a 'spirit' in them?


In side the hidden room(no windows) is all manner of things, like a moon tree symbol, blue squared carpet meaning stand over same as police,4 compass points and a wooden mallet to symbolize the nailing up of JC. Mason and jews go hand in hand.

What do you mean by Masons and Jews going 'hand in hand'? What would it matter if Masons were hand in hand with Jews?

[Old Bob]

[QUOTE=gtc;3835937]Who says this?



Ley lines have never been shown to exist, how can you tell if they are built on ley lines or not?



The other masons say that the 33rd degree is not part of the mainstream masonic movement. How do you know they exist? How can you prove that they have a 'spirit' in them?
Ley lines, I am a dowser and we study these things, and every temple I have checked from one end of this country to the other has the special room on a ley. I will give you a list of levels that I have. Degree7 The Guide. %9 The elder. %12 The Triumphant One. %15 The Scientist. %18 The Talented One.(Rose Cross) %21 The Preacher. %24 The Little Master. %27The Little Philosopher. %30 The Kadosch %31 The Cross. % 32 The great Architect % 33 The Living dead. As for Masons and jews, don't you want to know who runs the show? As for spotting a spirit, takes a while to learn how. You will find that the Olympic rings and the torch 33 inches, lit by 11 maidens is Mason, Also the checkered carpet in the hidden room has a border of jewish stars and gold tassel for Maritine Law. They are satanic worshipers.

[Worm]

I lost interest at 'I am a dowser' - sorry.

[fullflavormenthol]

Dowsing...is crap. I can find ley lines in my bath tub by dowsing. Now on to the degrees of Freemasonry.

The degrees of Freemasonry are as follows,

1.) Entered Apprentice.
2.) Fellow Craft.
3.) Master Mason.

That is it for Freemasonry unless you go on to be a member of a parallel fraternity. Here is the list for the Scottish Rite,

4.) Secret Master.
5.) Perfect Master.
6.) Intimate Secretary.
7.) Provost and Judge.
8.) Intendent of the Building.
9.) Master Elect of Nine.
10.) Elect of Fifteen.
11.) Sublime Master Elected.
12.) Grand Master Architect.
13.) Master of the Ninth Arch.
14.) Grand Elect Mason.
15.) Knight of the East or Sword.
16.) Prince of Jerusalem.
17.) Knight of the East and West.
18.) Knight of the Rose Croix of H.R.D.M.
19.) Grand Pontiff.
20.) Master Ad Vitam.
21.) Patriarch Noachite.
22.) Prince of Libanus.
23.) Chief of the Tabernacle.
24.) Prince of the Tabernacle.
25.) Knight of the Brazen Serpent.
26.) Prince of Mercy.
27.) Commander of the Temple.
28.) Knight of the Sun.
29.) Knight of St. Andrew.
30.) Grand Elect King
31.) Grand Inspector Inquisitor Commander.
32.) Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret.
33.) Sovereign Grand Inspector General.

York Rite is different in that degrees are broken up into sets of degrees. There are as many, but to save time I will list the sets.

Mark Master, Past Master, Most Excellent Master, Royal Arch Mason, Order of the Red Cross, Order of the Knights of Malta, Order of the Knights Templar.

Despite my past statement of additional degrees in all parallel masonic bodies...I am incorrect in listing the Shriners. The Shriner's do not confer any additional degrees.

"Dissipation of the Darkness" is not a good source for information about Masonry, by all accounts it appears to by hearsay and not actually researched. I actually looked into non-masonic masonic-like fraternities and still can't find this list of spooky sounding titles you are listing. I have found them on several anti-Mason websites though, and that says an awful lot about them doesn't it?

[CptColumbo]

I lost interest at 'I am a dowser' - sorry.You're not the only one.

[Old Bob]

Ok none believe dowsing( what we don't under stand we tend to laugh at) Masons may be satanic but is that any worse than pagan sun worship as the main stream Churches are? I believe that high up masons understand what we are and the spirit world. They really run the western nations and the Muslim war is a mason continuation of the crusades. The masons know where we came from, I think it's the star group called Sirius. Perhaps we should consider ourselves lucky to be under their protection as they will win over the poor Muslim. And for the doubters, ley line are real. A highway for the next realm. Think about "A men Ra" The church just leaves the Ra off ( Ra=sun god)

[Hokulele]

Someone has been watching Zeitgeist again.

[CptColumbo]

People laugh at people and things they find funny and/or foolish.

[Worm]

I don't want to respond to most of this, because it is of little interest to me and/or I don't have the knowledge. However, there are a couple of things worth picking up on:

Ok none believe dowsing( what we don't under stand we tend to laugh at)
I don't believe in dowsing, not because I don't understand it, but because I do understand it, and appreciate that all the relevant evidence shows that it doesn't work, and is purely based on the dowsers lack of understanding. Others may have their own reasons of course...

And for the doubters, ley line are real. A highway for the next realm.

Evidence?

(ooh .. I actually got to say it :) )

[Old Bob]

Seems like we beg to differ on dowsing, but aren't we getting off the subject a bit.? Really like to show my world first hand then hear you tell me it's rubbish. In the mason meeting place they have a little tripod with a square block hanging on cord depicting the laying of the corner stone of Washington by good old 33% George. Also a big cut out letter "G" hanging from the ceiling, forget what it really means. Can some one tell us. One of the interesting chapel's is St Andrews in Scotland it has a strong ley that makes people puke in one corner. No doubt the earily Knight Templar's have Knights buried underneath. Another bit of history, the French revolution was a pay back by the masons for the brutal anti mason purge by one of the popes and I think Louise the 4th the King of France.

[fitzgibbon]

Masons may be satanic

Uh.....no. The only way for this to be true is if you're using "satanic" as a facile shorthand to mean something that you personally disagree with. Otherwise, it's the continuation of a canard. To be a Mason, you have to believe in a constructive higher power whatever name you choose to apply to that higher power. Within Masonry, that higher power is referred to as GAOTU or the Great Architect Of The Universe (among other references of a similar nature) as an acknowledgement that the membership of Masonry isn't strictly Judeo-Christian in makeup. By definition, Satanism is NOT constructive and doesn't have a constructive force as its focus.


<Snipped>Perhaps we should consider ourselves lucky to be under their protection as they will win over the poor Muslim.

By "win over", I'm sure you're using that to mean "defeat". Again, hate to break it to you but that's not what Masonry's about. It's about the recognition that men of goodwill of whatever faith and creed have more that binds them than divides them.

[fitzgibbon]

In the mason meeting place they have a little tripod with a square block hanging on cord depicting the laying of the corner stone of Washington by good old 33% George.

You do realise that there's somewhat more than just one "mason meeting place" (they're known as temples FWIW)?

Also a big cut out letter "G" hanging from the ceiling, forget what it really means.

God, the Great Architect of the Universe

Louise the 4th the King of France.
Whatever "Louise the 4th" may have been, she most assuredly was NOT the King of France.

[CptColumbo]

Another bit of history, the French revolution was a pay back by the masons for the brutal anti mason purge by one of the popes and I think Louise the 4th the King of France.
Yeah, that's why the French revolted. It wasn't the oppression or the poverty, that was all made up by the Masons.

If you are refering to the arrest of the Knights Templar IIRC it was King Philip IV (the fair), who reportedly had enough influence on Pope Clement V.

[leonAzul]

Also a big cut out letter "G" hanging from the ceiling, forget what it really means.

God, the Great Architect of the Universe



More directly, the "G" stands for "geometry", the foundation--you should pardon the expression--of the literal craft of masonry. Symbols are like that. They are often chosen for the richness with which they can convey an idea.

I believe Old Bob has stumbled across references to so-called speculative Freemasonry, which references allege that Freemasons in position of power have engaged in social and political experiments.

Evidence, please.

[Elizabeth I]

In the mason meeting place they have a little tripod with a square block hanging on cord depicting the laying of the corner stone of Washington by good old 33% George.

He was only 33% George? What was the other 67%?

Did Martha know about this? How about the Continental Congress?

[CptColumbo]

"There's an old Polish proverb that says, 'Only someone with nothing to be sorry about smiles back at the rear end of an elephant.'" --Banacek

[Old Bob]

Yeah, that's why the French revolted. It wasn't the oppression or the poverty, that was all made up by the Masons.

If you are refering to the arrest of the Knights Templar IIRC it was King Philip IV (the fair), who reportedly had enough influence on Pope Clement V.

Thank you for correcting me on King Philip, got that wrong. The masons(Knight Templar) had France in debt,so orders were sent to all garrisons to be opened on the 13 th (forget the month)Orders were to kill the masons. And the French revolution was the pay back for the e-lite of France. How could a disorganised mob of starving peasants over come the e-lite? They had help. And I would think the popes interference in the purge of the masons would be why catholics we excluded from the order till now. The KKK is a branch, think they play the same roll as the jesuit do for the pope eg. enforcement. The 5 point star (the never ending triangle) is used by both. Goats factor in both lots, and the 5 sided center is used here and there.

[Worm]

so much woo it hurts....

[Old Bob]

so much woo it hurts....

But I've got lots more.