Unsecured Coins, Gut-Checks Alex Jones!!

[jmercer]

No I think you are having the problem.

Ace baker hoaxed wikipedia and was called dishonest and malicious. UC did the chip hoax and is considered to have done something good.

Why the doubl;e standard? Its an easy question, do I need to write it in bigger letters?

Hoaxing wikipedia means intentionally hoaxing thousands (maybe hundreds of thousands) of people concerning matters of death and national security.

Hoaxing your friends on an internet forum means intentionally hoaxing your friends. Anyone else taken in would be accidental.

The first one is akin to shouting "Fire" in a crowded theater, and the second one is like telling a tall tale around a campfire... and having someone eavesdrop and then call national radio about what they heard.

[chillzero]

It wasnt contained to this forum. It was being talked about regularly on the radio. Because of UC, thousands of people were being told on the radio that military people were being chipped.


By who?

[TexasJack]

The only thing Alex Jones had to do was verify the veracity of the story. Had he done so, there would be no hoax. But AJ, like many truthers, took what UC presented and ran with it. It just proved the shallow research techniques of those who believe in these 911 conspiracies.

[chillzero]

like telling a tall tale around a campfire.

yes... but someone lurking in the bushes overhears, and runs into town and tells all their friends ... who tell all their friends.... who tell the DJ, and the film maker, and the bloggers....

and then when the truth is discovered, it's all the fault of the boy scouts.. not the lurker, nor those who ran off at the mouth.

[tsig]

I'm no fan of Alex Jones.

How did you feel about members here pretending to be engineers to sign up for ae911truth? How did you feel about Ace Bakers engineer ed hoax?

There wouldnt be double standards going on here would there? Nah, not on JREF.

Triple standards are the standard here. You should know since you have passed all the rigorous tests required of a poster at JREF.

[theauthor]

By who?

By Alex Jones....the man who UC wanted to be saying it on the radio.

Alex Jones is a paranoid nut but I dont blame him for falling for this. he probably thought nobody would be sad enough to pretend they have been chipped.

There are americans with chips in. They were featured on Fox News. It is something the military will probably end up doing so why is Alex Jones responsible for the despicable lies of someone on here?

[lapman]

yes... but someone lurking in the bushes overhears, and runs into town and tells all their friends ... who tell all their friends.... who tell the DJ, and the film maker, and the bloggers....

and then when the truth is discovered, it's all the fault of the boy scouts.. not the lurker, nor those who ran off at the mouth.
Kinda like the "War Of The Worlds" broadcast.

[jmercer]

yes... but someone lurking in the bushes overhears, and runs into town and tells all their friends ... who tell all their friends.... who tell the DJ, and the film maker, and the bloggers....

and then when the truth is discovered, it's all the fault of the boy scouts.. not the lurker, nor those who ran off at the mouth.

Excellent point, and completely accurate. :)

May I have my nylons back now, please? If you're quite done with them, that is. :D

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

Heres is what LashL said about the engineer ed hoax


Heres what sword of truth said



Heres what uruk said





Double standard much?

Why dont the above quotes apply to unsecured coins?

I think you know 'why' perfectly well, but let me spell it out for you;

UC made a little joke - confined to this sub-forum - which nobody was obliged to act upon. Which was funny.

There are many within the 'Truth' movement who are actively distorting facts, even peddling outright lies for personal gain, making unfounded accusations that innocent people are responsible for/complicit in the deaths of 3000 people and potentially offending or upsetting those left behind. Which is reprehensible.

Regarding UC's joke; that fact that some fat, sweaty lunatic picked up the ball and ran(ted) with it, without even checking his facts is not the fault of UC or this site. Alex Jones has no-one to blame but himself.

Is this all clear to you now?

[mrbaracuda]

My apologies to Jmercer. I just reread your post and understand it now.

You should reread things more often. Maybe you'll catch on with how UC exposed Alex Jones and fellow retards once more and how you're..

ach, why bother anyway. He'll most likely never get it anyway. :)

[jmercer]

There are americans with chips in. They were featured on Fox News.

Interesting. Can you provide some link to that?

It is something the military will probably end up doing so why is Alex Jones responsible for the despicable lies of someone on here?

Because we are all responsible for what we say, even if we're simply repeating someone else's words. And if you are a public speaking figure with a regular audience, you have a professional and ethical responsiblity to go with the personal one. :)

Unless you're suggesting that Alex Jones is unethical?

[Drudgewire]

Regarding UC's joke; that fact that some fat, sweaty lunatic picked up the ball and ran(ted) with it, without even checking his facts is not the fault of UC or this site. Alex Jones has no-one to blame but himself.

And the rest of the truth movement, for setting the bar on their accuracy meters at "it's on the internet" for as long as they've been calling themselves a movement. :p

[mrbaracuda]

Excellent point, and completely accurate. :)

May I have my nylons back now, please? If you're quite done with them, that is. :D

Can I take pictures first? :drool:

[lapman]

By Alex Jones....the man who UC wanted to be saying it on the radio.Source?

Alex Jones is a paranoid nut but I dont blame him for falling for this. he probably thought nobody would be sad enough to pretend they have been chipped.Immaterial. Since he claims to be the great exposer of the "Truth," he should have checked, especially since it was a "debunker" that was stating this.

There are americans with chips in. They were featured on Fox News. It is something the military will probably end up doing so why is Alex Jones responsible for the despicable lies of someone on here?What part of "he did not verify if this was true" are you not understanding. UC did not write AJ a press release. AJ read something on a message board and took it as "fact" because it was something that he could use to get more attention. The onus was on him to verify if what he read on a message board was true. That is what honest reporting is all about. AJ has now shown that he has no interest in honest reporting.

[jmercer]

Can I take pictures first? :drool:

That depends... before or after? :D

[chillzero]

By Alex Jones....

Exactly. Tell me... why are you holding UC resonsible for the idiocy of AJ?

the man who UC wanted to be saying it on the radio.

and did he?
Did UC take any part in anything to do with this outside this one single thread on this one single forum which I remind you was quickly limited to the members only section?

No?

huh... kinda kills your whole argument, doesn't it?

Alex Jones is a paranoid nut but I dont blame him for falling for this. he probably thought nobody would be sad enough to pretend they have been chipped.

So you don't hold him in any way responsible for fact verification prior to publication or announcing it on the radio?

There are americans with chips in. They were featured on Fox News. It is something the military will probably end up doing

Source?

so why is Alex Jones responsible for the despicable lies of someone on here?

You've got it totally backward. Why are you holding UC responsible for the idiocy of AJ?

Anyone who makes claims and declarations in a public media is responsible for that information. They should not announce anything as fact until they've verified it.

Excellent point, and completely accurate. :)

Why, thank you.

May I have my nylons back now, please? If you're quite done with them, that is. :D

No.

*places stocking down over face again and slinks back into the night*

[mrbaracuda]

That depends... before or after? :D

:idea: Both times! :blush: :D

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Heres what sword of truth said

You appearantly believe that any malicious and dishonest behavior is justified when done in the name of your religion.

How long until you start stuffing your vest pockets with C4 and ball-bearings?

Double standard much?

Why dont the above quotes apply to unsecured coins?

Yep... those are definitely my words. The entire post reproduced in full without quote mining or snipping.

In my defense, I believe that in a world where 9/11 twoofers advocate and threaten to carry out themselves the murders of large numbers of police officers (http://screwloosechange.xbehome.com/index.php?showtopic=1858):

Ed Browns house has been surrounded by swat teams.

I personally hope they kill as many swat @#$%s as possible.

I HOPE THE SWAT TEAMS GET SHOT TO @#$%. NOT ENOUGH ATF DIED AT WACO. ED BROWN I IMPLORE YOU TO SHOOT TO KILL

I am absolutely calling for the killing of the swat teams. I hope they suffer too. Id kill them myself if i was in america. I spit on the graves of the atf killed at waco.

...that I can be forgiven for thinking that one of the craziest twoofers might be inclined to blowing up unbelievers.

[Drudgewire]

:idea: Both times! :blush: :D


Man, this thread has taken a turn for the SEXY!

[mrbaracuda]

*places stocking down over face again and slinks back into the night*

Huh, what, you're doing it wrong! :(

[BenBurch]

Well, now, how responsible can we hold Alex Jones?

On one hand, his only source was a posting from a known satirist on a web forum.

On the other hand, this is MUCH better sourcing than 99% of everything else he flogs off as truth.

:dl:

[chillzero]

Huh, what, you're doing it wrong! :(

but I passed all my classes in Stalking 101, and Avanced Stalking for Stalkers!

[theauthor]

Interesting. Can you provide some link to that?





Ooops I made a mistake. Fox news didnt report that americans had chips......they actually showed a family live having the chips implanted

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9XtS440GOoo&feature=related

[theauthor]

Yep... those are definitely my words. The entire post reproduced in full without quote mining or snipping.

In my defense, I believe that in a world where 9/11 twoofers advocate and threaten to carry out themselves the murders of large numbers of police officers (http://screwloosechange.xbehome.com/index.php?showtopic=1858):



...that I can be forgiven for thinking that one of the craziest twoofers might be inclined to blowing up unbelievers.

What did Ace Baker do that was malicious and dishonest?

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

Ooops I made a mistake. Fox news didnt report that americans had chips......they actually showed a family live having the chips implanted

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9XtS440GOoo&feature=related

One question; was this family made to have chips implanted, or did they volunteer?

[theauthor]

One question; was this family made to have chips implanted, or did they volunteer?

They volunteered. And? i never claimed they were forced, I simply said there were americans with chips in.

Why must you move the goalposts?

[jmercer]

No.

*places stocking down over face again and slinks back into the night*

*sulks*

It was MY turn to slink, dammit! The NWO schedule for the month of June was posted over a week ago, and you're *still* holding on to my stockings!

[jmercer]

:idea: Both times! :blush: :D

Ok, but I should shave my beard off first. The stocking doesn't look as good when my whiskers stick out through it.

Man, this thread has taken a turn for the SEXY!

Well, yeah! Chillz here. :)

[chillzero]

Ooops I made a mistake.

Just one?

What did Ace Baker do that was malicious and dishonest?

Try reading the thread. This has been answered within the last 2 pages.

[mrbaracuda]

Can we stop talking about stockings now? I'm an avid fan. :drool:

[mrbaracuda]

Why must you move the goalposts?

How is asking a simple question out of curiosity moving goalposts? Seriously, what's wrong with you? :boggled:

[theauthor]

Just one?



Try reading the thread. This has been answered within the last 2 pages.


I cant find it. Do you have a post number?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

What did Ace Baker do that was malicious and dishonest?

He tried to take over wikipedia and turn it into his own playground where only his point of view would be shown to the readers. When he got smacked down, he invented a fake identity and tried it again.

A common behavior by twoofers, as we have seen here numerous times.

And on that note, I am curious as to your thoughts on the wannabe cop-killer I quoted. You agree with me that he is a dangerous individual and should be closely monitored by law enforcement if not locked up for public safety, don't you?

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

They volunteered. And? i never claimed they were forced, I simply said there were americans with chips in.

Why must you move the goalposts?

Move the goalposts?! I only asked you a question. I wasn't aware I asked you to provide any proof of anything, nor did I then change the criteria for the proof I didn't ask you for.

Defensive aren't we?

[chillzero]

I cant find it. Do you have a post number?

That's odd... because you quoted one of the times it was explained.


Did you miss all my other posts? Really?
I think I made clear the difference between lying about something being done to oneself, for a giggle, on one forum, contained amongst friends and lying about what caused the deaths of thousands of people on a public 'encyclopedia' in order to propogate a feeling of hatred and anger agaisnt the government, and further one's own dishonest agenda.

Isn't that clear enough for you?

And also .. you still haven't responded to any of my other points. Don't you think you should be angrier at people who claim a certain membership and do not double check their listings, than at those who test if those checks are done? Shoudln't you be angrier at people who publish known lies in order to 'convince' the public that their cause is just and true, than at a few people making a quite valid point on one single forum?



Well ok then :)

It wasnt contained to this forum. It was being talked about regularly on the radio. Because of UC, thousands of people were being told on the radio that military people were being chipped.

All Ace did was edit a wikipedia page.

Anyway... I asked a few other things that you may have .. umm.. 'missed'.

why are you holding UC resonsible for the idiocy of AJ?


Did UC take any part in anything to do with this outside this one single thread on this one single forum which I remind you was quickly limited to the members only section?

No?

huh... kinda kills your whole argument, doesn't it?



So you don't hold him in any way responsible for fact verification prior to publication or announcing it on the radio?


You've got it totally backward. Why are you holding UC responsible for the idiocy of AJ?

Anyone who makes claims and declarations in a public media is responsible for that information. They should not announce anything as fact until they've verified it.

[jmercer]

Logical, concise, and correct. Gee, Chill, yer no fun anymorez. :D

[theauthor]

JMercer do you have any comment on the link I provided that you had asked for and claimed was "interesting"?

[chillzero]

JMercer do you have any comment on the link I provided that you had asked for and claimed was "interesting"?

I think he should withold any comment until you have responded to my questions. :cool:

[lapman]

JMercer do you have any comment on the link I provided that you had asked for and claimed was "interesting"?
Are you ever going to answer the questions chill asked you?

[Bobert]

I've been called one of those.. is that a good thing then?

DO NOT let the truthers try and sway you.
I can be an impartial judge of this just go ahead and PM me and I will evaluate the evidence (the most clear and concise evidence would of course be a picture) and report back ASAP.

I am here to serve the JREF community

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

It wasnt contained to this forum. It was being talked about regularly on the radio. Because of UC, thousands of people were being told on the radio that military people were being chipped.

All Ace did was edit a wikipedia page.

Hang on; don't know if anyone else has picked up on this..

'Thousands' of people were told?! How many people do you think listen to Jones' show? Plus, how far reaching is it?

Compared to;

'All' Ace did was edit a wikipedia page?! The same wikipedia that is known by and can be accessed worldwide by billions of people in many different languages?

My 12 year old daughter living here in Germany with me knows what wikipedia is; she's never heard of Alex Jones.

Who do you think potentially caused more damage, AJ or Ace?!

[theauthor]

I think he should withold any comment until you have responded to my questions. :cool:


Which questions?

I am happy to answer any questions. Although your insistence that your questions affect mine is possibly the most childish thing I have ever witnessed on an internet forum.

[jmercer]

JMercer do you have any comment on the link I provided that you had asked for and claimed was "interesting"?

Yes. It was interesting, just as I said. :)

[chillzero]

Which questions?

I am happy to answer any questions.

Good.
Post #285. :rolleyes:

DO NOT let the truthers try and sway you.
I can be an impartial judge of this just go ahead and PM me and I will evaluate the evidence (the most clear and concise evidence would of course be a picture) and report back ASAP.

I am here to serve the JREF community

Two words for ya....
Skepchick Calendar. ;)

[jmercer]

Which questions?

I am happy to answer any questions.

Here's a link to the post, so you don't have to scroll around looking for number 285:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=3775163#post3775163

Happy to help. :)

[jmercer]

Two words for ya....
Skepchick Calendar. ;)

Two more words for ya...

Miss July.

:D

[theauthor]

Yes. It was interesting, just as I said. :)

Doesn't phase you at all does it?

[theauthor]

Here are my answers to chillzero's questions

why are you holding UC resonsible for the idiocy of AJ?

UC is repsonsible. He lied and perpetrated a hoax that concerned reporter AJ had to report.

So you don't hold him in any way responsible for fact verification prior to publication or announcing it on the radio?


How exactly is one meant to verify that?

[lapman]

Doesn't phase you at all does it?
You'll do anything to avoid answering a question, will you?

Again, post #285

[Drudgewire]

Why should that phase anyone? These people are doing this of their own accord.

People choose to pay people to demolish their buildings too, doesn't mean the evil government brought down the towers by CD.

Good GRIEF. :rolleyes:

[DaN K. StAnLeY]

Ooops I made a mistake. Fox news didnt report that americans had chips......they actually showed a family live having the chips implanted

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9XtS440GOoo&feature=related

That family got paid for the implants, if I remember correctly.

[jmercer]

Doesn't phase you at all does it?

I'm not sure if it does or not. I'm thinking about it, and I'd rather not start a discussion on it until I've mulled it over a bit.

Until then, please feel free to continue your dialog with Chill over these points:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=3775163#post3775163

I'm sure I'll eventually be ready to discuss the video a bit later. :)

Besides, it's time for me to head home, and I have a long commute - plenty of time to consider this while you discuss things here.

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

UC is repsonsible. He lied and perpetrated a hoax that concerned reporter AJ had to report.

(Bolding mine)

I think I just did a wee in my pants I laughed so hard! But I have to ask; why did AJ "have" to report it?

Plus, would you be kind enough to answer my questions at Post No 291?

[MarkyX]

So despite all the wriggling, noone can come up with a good reason why we shouldnt consider the perpetrators of the hoax attention seeking liars.

What damage have we done? Was anyone hurt? Property damage? No, of course not.

But if we look at 9/11 deniers and their lies, it has resulted in teenagers stalking private citizens, college professors threatening scientists, and a "peace group" assaulting a woman in a wheelchair.

[lapman]

Here are my answers to chillzero's questions

why are you holding UC resonsible for the idiocy of AJ?

UC is repsonsible. He lied and perpetrated a hoax that concerned reporter AJ had to report.So you are confirming that AJ is in no way responsible for fact checking his stories.

So you don't hold him in any way responsible for fact verification prior to publication or announcing it on the radio?


How exactly is one meant to verify that?Contacting other soldiers, see if there are any other stories to back the claim, etc. Something a honest and responsible reporter and radio host would do. If none could be found, then a honest and responsible reporter and radio host would never portray it as absolute fact.

[tomwaits]

As for the question of whether AJ truly believes his stuff...

An interview (http://www.booknotes.org/Transcript/?ProgramID=1668) with journalist Jon Ronson who spent time with several extremist groups and helped Jones break into Bohemian Grove:

And you know, just a couple of weeks ago, an Alex Jones fan tried to break into Bohemian Grove heavily armed and kill everybody there because he believed Alex Jones's spin of the -- of the owl ceremony as being evidence of human sacrifice.

And I remember at the time -- because I'm -- you know, Alex is an intelligent man, and I remember at the time saying to him, "Alex," you know, "you know that what you're saying about Bohemian Grove isn't true. Now, you're playing with fire here." And Alex said, "Yeah, I'm not going to tell my listeners that." And it's kind of come back to haunt him now.

[MarkyX]

UC is repsonsible. He lied and perpetrated a hoax that concerned reporter AJ had to report.


Why did AJ had to report it?

[Drudgewire]

Why did AJ had to report it?

And why didn't he HAVE to make any effort whatsoever to verify it first?


ETA: Oh right, because he's nothing resembling a reporter or journalist... just a gossip columnist with less reliable sources. Answering your own questions rocks!!

[Walter Ego]

I haven't read this entire thread yet but has anyone mentioned Project Alpha?

Project Alpha was a hoax orchestrated by the stage magician and skeptic James Randi. It involved planting two fake psychics, Steve Shaw and Michael Edwards, into a paranormal research project.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Alpha

The two hoaxes aren’t directly comparable. UC was showing that Jones and Bermas are gullible and Randi’s intent was to demonstrate that psychic researchers were not equipped to recognize deception even under ‘laboratory’ conditions (though gullibly would be an issue). The ethical questions arising from the use of deliberate deception is the same in both cases, however.

[mrbaracuda]

why did AJ "have" to report it?

Why did AJ had to report it?

I don't know what's worse; "concerned reporter" or that he just had to! :scared:

[chillzero]

Here are my answers to chillzero's questions

why are you holding UC resonsible for the idiocy of AJ?

UC is repsonsible. He lied and perpetrated a hoax that concerned reporter AJ had to report.

So you don't hold him in any way responsible for fact verification prior to publication or announcing it on the radio?


How exactly is one meant to verify that?

You have to be kidding me here.

UC is responsible for AJ being a moron and irresponsible gasbag? UC is responsible because AJ (and others) poked their nose in a forum thread, and willfully misused the information without any single thought for veracity?

AJ is not a concerned reporter, and he didn't have to do anything with a single forum thread on a single forum, that casually discussed something among friends. He is an idiot. A concerned reporter would have contacted the miltary to confirm the information and try to verify facts before making a complete ass of themself. Do you think AJ has to report to the world that skeptigirl's dog dug up a mole? Or that BenBurch can't connect to an mp-3 stream? Or that Library Lady got a new budgie? Or perhaps that the NWO council of skepchicks have released their latest coded orders in the form of a calendar that only select few have the decoders for?

Get real, theauthor.

You can't perpetrate a hoax that you do not disseminate beyond one thread on a forum. Perpetuation requires some effort and advertising.

Why don't you just admit that you are sore that you got fooled, and admit that you are pissed that you can't rely on those who feed you your daily propoganda?

[JimBenArm]

AJ had to report it?

Yeah, and I had to wet myself laughing at him, too!

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

You have to be kidding me here.

UC is responsible for AJ being a moron and irresponsible gasbag? UC is responsible because AJ (and others) poked their nose in a forum thread, and willfully misused the information without any single thought for veracity?

AJ is not a concerned reporter, and he didn't have to do anything with a single forum thread on a single forum, that casually discussed something among friends. He is an idiot. A concerned reporter would have contacted the miltary to confirm the information and try to verify facts before making a complete ass of themself. Do you think AJ has to report to the world that skeptigirl's dog dug up a mole? Or that BenBurch can't connect to an mp-3 stream? Or that Library Lady got a new budgie? Or perhaps that the NWO council of skepchicks have released their latest coded orders in the form of a calendar that only select few have the decoders for?

Get real, theauthor.

You can't perpetrate a hoax that you do not disseminate beyond one thread on a forum. Perpetuation requires some effort and advertising.

Why don't you just admit that you are sore that you got fooled, and admit that you are pissed that you can't rely on those who feed you your daily propoganda?

Library Lady got a new budgie?! Why wasn't I notified?! :mad:

[Drudgewire]

Do you think AJ has to report to the world that skeptigirl's dog dug up a mole?

Why was I not aware of this? CURSE YOUR SLACKING WAYS, ALEX JONES!! http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/fist4su.gif

[mrbaracuda]

Library Lady got a new budgie

Library Lady got a new budgie?! Why wasn't I notified?! :mad:

http://www.kohli.de/images/wellensittiche/verhalten/verhalten.jpg

This creature is a "budgie", yes? :confused::)

[chillzero]

yes

[Par]

http://www.kohli.de/images/wellensittiche/verhalten/verhalten.jpg

I like that picture. It looks like the tire of a large vehicle is silently and lethally approaching in the background. *Squoff*.

[mrbaracuda]

Thanks. :deadp:D

[HeyLeroy]

It wasnt contained to this forum. It was being talked about regularly on the radio. Because of UC, thousands of people were being told on the radio that military people were being chipped.

All Ace did was edit a wikipedia page.

No, because of ALEX JONES, thousands of people were being told.

I kidnapped the Lindbergh baby.
http://forums.randi.org/archive/index.php/t-47952.html

There's a good one for him to run with.

DO NOT let the truthers try and sway you.
I can be an impartial judge of this just go ahead and PM me and I will evaluate the evidence (the most clear and concise evidence would of course be a picture) and report back ASAP.

I am here to serve the JREF community

Hmm; personally, I think a jury should be struck.

I'll take one for the team, I guess... :D

[Dave_46]

<snip>
I don't know this Ronson guy,
<snip>

Jon Ronson is a member of the forum.

Dave

[tomwaits]

You are implying that Jones is deliberately misleading people.

According to Jon Ronson, this is not the case - Jones actually believes his stuff.

Well I just posted a quote in which he states that Jones does not actually believe some of his stuff. Which is it?

Jon Ronson is a member of the forum.

Dave

Really?!

[nicepants]

There are americans with chips in. They were featured on Fox News.

I thought that the MSM was in on the conspiracy....we can't trust them!

[nicepants]

They volunteered. And? i never claimed they were forced, I simply said there were americans with chips in.

Why must you move the goalposts?
LOL

What, so is Alex Jones campaigning against someone's right to have a chip implanted? I don't understand.

[Walter Ego]

Quote:
Jon Ronson is a member of the forum.

Dave


Really?!

Ronson has posted infrequently on the JREF forums.

http://forums.randi.org/search.php?searchid=1513633

[Sabrina]

This is seriously the best idea I ever had. EVER.

And yes, although UC carried out the joke, I get creative credit for coming up with it in the first place. UC had picture messaged me with the photo of his medical records with the caption "I've been chipped!" under it (incidentally, in this context the "RFID" stamp meant "Returned for Identification"; apparently the medical records people had mislabeled UC's unit on his file or something). When I saw the photo and heard the explanation, the idea sprang into my head that we could showcase just how gullible the truthers were by perpetrating the little hoax; all it would take is one thread to once again show that the truthers very rarely check their facts before spouting them all over the place. That was the sole goal of this joke; it was not intended maliciously and was cleared with Lisa prior to UC posting the original thread. We wanted to make the point to any fence-sitters out there how very little evidence corroborates anything the TM has said so far. Neither UC nor myself are responsible for what Alex Jones decided to do with the information; he's a big boy, he's responsible for his own actions. The fact that theauthor is trying to push blame off on UC, or on me (which I'm sure he/she will once they read this post and see the original idea came mostly from me) is tantamount to someone blaming a rape victim for "enticing" their attacker; in reality, the rapist has full responsibility for his/her (being politically correct here) own actions and the victim is not to blame at all. AJ made the choice to run with an unsubstantiated, unverified claim from an internet poster KNOWN to post satirical videos and posts poking fun at the gullibility of conspiracy theorists without even bothering to ATTEMPT to discover if it was true or not, and you want to blame UC for HIS gullibility/avariciousness? Nice try, but you fail.

That being said, kudos to CE for turning the joke around; I have to admit I almost fell for that one too! Just goes to show you that pranksters are not infalliable I guess. :D The success of this joke has been SO worth it!

[~enigma~]

This is seriously the best idea I ever had. EVER.

And yes, although UC carried out the joke, I get creative credit for coming up with it in the first place. UC had picture messaged me with the photo of his medical records with the caption "I've been chipped!" under it (incidentally, in this context the "RFID" stamp meant "Returned for Identification"; apparently the medical records people had mislabeled UC's unit on his file or something). When I saw the photo and heard the explanation, the idea sprang into my head that we could showcase just how gullible the truthers were by perpetrating the little hoax; all it would take is one thread to once again show that the truthers very rarely check their facts before spouting them all over the place. That was the sole goal of this joke; it was not intended maliciously and was cleared with Lisa prior to UC posting the original thread. We wanted to make the point to any fence-sitters out there how very little evidence corroborates anything the TM has said so far. Neither UC nor myself are responsible for what Alex Jones decided to do with the information; he's a big boy, he's responsible for his own actions. The fact that theauthor is trying to push blame off on UC, or on me (which I'm sure he/she will once they read this post and see the original idea came mostly from me) is tantamount to someone blaming a rape victim for "enticing" their attacker; in reality, the rapist has full responsibility for his/her (being politically correct here) own actions and the victim is not to blame at all. AJ made the choice to run with an unsubstantiated, unverified claim from an internet poster KNOWN to post satirical videos and posts poking fun at the gullibility of conspiracy theorists without even bothering to ATTEMPT to discover if it was true or not, and you want to blame UC for HIS gullibility/avariciousness? Nice try, but you fail.

That being said, kudos to CE for turning the joke around; I have to admit I almost fell for that one too! Just goes to show you that pranksters are not infalliable I guess. :D The success of this joke has been SO worth it!
You mean we are not going to get pictures of your thigh when they chip you....bummer :(

[Sabrina]

You mean we are not going to get pictures of your thigh when they chip you....bummer :(

Sorry darlin'; no photos for you. :D

[DaN K. StAnLeY]

Sabrina, you rock!

[~enigma~]

Sorry darlin'; no photos for you. :D
:(

[theauthor]

This is seriously the best idea I ever had. EVER.




That explains why you work in the military and not a profession where ideas are needed.

Attack the argument and not the arguer. This is uncivil.

[~enigma~]

That explains why you work in the military and not a profession where ideas are needed.
Like you?

[BenBurch]

That explains why you work in the military and not a profession where ideas are needed.

Anybody who thinks that has never been in a tactical situation where somebody was trying to kill them.

(Yes, I have, details in private if anybody wants them.)

[Redtail]

That explains why you work in the military and not a profession where ideas are needed.

And that shows how well you'd do in the military.

[theauthor]

And that shows how well you'd do in the military.

How does it?

[Ysidro]

Wait. That whole thing was a hoax? Man, I don't know who to trust anymore!

[Horatius]

And that shows how well you'd do in the military.



I think you're being unfair.

He'd never get close enough to the military to do that well.

[~enigma~]

Wait. That whole thing was a hoax? Man, I don't know who to trust anymore!
DTA is a rule to live by...

[Ysidro]

DTA is a rule to live by...

I'm not sure I trust that statement, coming from you.

[Redtail]

How does it?

You have no idea.

[theauthor]

I think you're being unfair.

He'd never get close enough to the military to do that well.


Spot on. But if I ever become unemployable i'll give the military a try.

[~enigma~]

I'm not sure I trust that statement, coming from you.
You catch on pretty quick...

[theauthor]

You have no idea.


About what?

[Horatius]

Spot on. But if I ever become unemployable i'll give the military a try.



And I'm sure you'll have the same level of success as you do in all you other endeavours.

[theauthor]

And I'm sure you'll have the same level of success as you do in all you other endeavours.

Which is?

[Redtail]

Spot on. But if I ever become unemployable i'll give the military a try.

Well, though I don't know what being wrong constantly on web forums pays, I'd say you don't have to worry about that.

[JimBenArm]

Spot on. But if I ever become unemployable i'll give the military a try.
Are you sure the military would take you? They do have standards.

[Redtail]

About what?

About how does it.

[theauthor]

Are you sure the military would take you? They do have standards.

I know they do but I can write my own name so I meet those standards.

[theauthor]

Well, though I don't know what being wrong constantly on web forums pays, I'd say you don't have to worry about that.

Where have I been wrong?

[JimBenArm]

I know they do but I can write my own name so I meet those standards.
And the bias is revealed!

How very predictable. And wrong.

You just aren't very good at this internet thing, are you?

[Arus808]

I know they do but I can write my own name so I meet those standards.

nice insult.. sorry, but military folks are definitely smarter than you.

[Sabrina]

Now this IS amusing.

Funny, I coulda sworn they forced me to go to college in order to get my commission... so I DIDN'T need that bachelor's degree in psychology? Gee, yet another lie... whatever will I do... [/rampant sarcasm]

Bigger and better folks than you have tried... and failed... to insult me, TA. I suggest you run along back to mama while I'm still polite enough not to fall over laughing at the so far pathetic attempts you've shown.

[JimBenArm]

It's obvious he thinks the military lets uneducated dolts play with billion dollar ships and multi-million dollar weapons systems.

Yeah, that'd work out. You betcha.

[theauthor]

nice insult.. sorry, but military folks are definitely smarter than you.

Yes they are all dead smart. They chose shooting afghans over stock broking on Wall Street.:rolleyes:

[theauthor]

It's obvious he thinks the military lets uneducated dolts play with billion dollar ships and multi-million dollar weapons systems.

Yeah, that'd work out. You betcha.


Clever people design the weapons. The dolts just push a button.

[JimBenArm]

Clever people design the weapons. The dolts just push a button.
You know this how?

Remember now, you're talking to someone who does know...

[Redtail]

Where have I been wrong?

That explains why you work in the military and not a profession where ideas are needed.

I know they do but I can write my own name so I meet those standards.

Here are my answers to chillzero's questions

why are you holding UC resonsible for the idiocy of AJ?

UC is repsonsible. He lied and perpetrated a hoax that concerned reporter AJ had to report.

So you don't hold him in any way responsible for fact verification prior to publication or announcing it on the radio?


How exactly is one meant to verify that?

Ooops I made a mistake. Fox news didnt report that americans had chips......they actually showed a family live having the chips implanted

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9XtS440GOoo&feature=related

That's just from this thread.

ETA:And while I was searching/typing, Clever people design the weapons. The dolts just push a button.
Dig on sir dig on!

[Dog Town]

Where have I been wrong?

In this very thread, repeatedly. Here's one you even admit to!
My apologies to Jmercer. I just reread your post and understand it now.

[Sabrina]

Oh my GAWD this is too hilarious...

*gets the popcorn and sits down to watch the next hilarious statement come from theauthor* Come on, do something silly! Oh wait; you're you, that's a given!

[Unsecured Coins]

Clever people design the weapons. The dolts just push a button.

wrong yet AGAIN. I'll bet I could put you in the gunner's seat of my M1A2SEP v2 tank and with the request to do a muzzle reference check, make your head explode.

[Sabrina]

UC, I think that would happen just by asking him to try to take apart and reassemble an M16. Heck, a nine mil might be too taxing at this point.

[JimBenArm]

I was gonna ask him to stand watch as helmsman/planesman on a sub, but there aren't even any buttons there for him to press. And I wouldn't want to put a hundred-plus people's lives in his hands.

[theauthor]

wrong yet AGAIN. I'll bet I could put you in the gunner's seat of my M1A2SEP v2 tank and with the request to do a muzzle reference check, make your head explode.

Does that tank have a big gun on it? Whats that compensating for i wonder?

I have already warned you in post #330 to attack the argument not the arguer. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you did not yet see that warning. If this continues, there could be an infraction.

[Redtail]

Yes they are all dead smart. They chose shooting afghans over stock broking on Wall Street.:rolleyes:

http://www.amazon.com/Semper-Fi-Business-Leadership-Marine/dp/0814404138/ref=cm_lmf_tit_2

http://www.amazon.com/Its-Your-Ship-Management-Techniques/dp/0446529117/ref=pd_sim_b_title_4

http://humanresources.about.com/od/managementbooks/tp/military_mgmt.htm (http://humanresources.about.com/od/managementbooks/tp/military_mgmt.htm:rolleyes:)

:rolleyes: (http://humanresources.about.com/od/managementbooks/tp/military_mgmt.htm:rolleyes:)

[Unsecured Coins]

Does that tank have a big gun on it? Whats that compensating for i wonder?

wow, and you accuse US of ad homs...

[A W Smith]

Now this IS amusing.

Funny, I coulda sworn they forced me to go to college in order to get my commission... so I DIDN'T need that bachelor's degree in psychology? Gee, yet another lie... whatever will I do... [/rampant sarcasm]

Bigger and better folks than you have tried... and failed... to insult me, TA. I suggest you run along back to mama while I'm still polite enough not to fall over laughing at the so far pathetic attempts you've shown.

Oh please dont laugh at P Doh Sabrina. he's been laughed at enough.
http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/chi/595498265.html

[theauthor]

wow, and you accuse US of ad homs...

Please learn what an ad hom is.

"You are stupid" is NOT an ad hom

"You are wrong because you are stupid" is an ad hom

[BenBurch]

You know this how?

Remember now, you're talking to someone who does know...

He's never had to do a dead-reckoning navigation problem, clearly.

[Sabrina]

Nor has he ever had to Table VIII qualify or pass one of the numerous qualification tests officers and enlisted have to go through.

Which is why it's so flippin' funny!

[Redtail]

I was gonna ask him to stand watch as helmsman/planesman on a sub, but there aren't even any buttons there for him to press. And I wouldn't want to put a hundred-plus people's lives in his hands.

Maybe just converting azimuths then?

[X]

:popcorn6




I utterly fail to see how Unsecured Coins can in any way be held responsible for Alex Jones failing to do some basic fact-checking before reporting an extraordinary claim.

Remember: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
If AJ fails the second part, it is his fault, not UCs.

[Sabrina]

Which is precisely what we've been saying and theauthor seems to not quite get, [X].

Maybe your post will finally turn the light on upstairs; I don't know.

[Dog Town]

Which is precisely what we've been saying and theauthor seems to not quite get, [X].

Maybe your post will finally turn the light on upstairs; I don't know.

Not a chance in hell!

[Horatius]

Which is?


You mean you don't know?


Oh my.



Does that tank have a big gun on it? Whats that compensating for i wonder?


Windage?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I'll admit that I initially bought into it. The thing which gave me doubts was the way UC was crying like a little girl about it. He is way too manly for that.


Heh. I thought that was a bit odd myself, but I honestly wasn't all that interested in the story, so I just accepted it at face value and filed it away.

Uhm, guys, I think CE just pranked you....

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2008/130608_a_prankedpranksters.htm

Unless that link is working for everyone else.....


What are you talking about? It works for me.

Yeah, I know... I'm late to the party.

That family got paid for the implants, if I remember correctly.


So, what you're saying is that they were paid off, right? Hmm...

And the bias is revealed!

How very predictable. And wrong.

You just aren't very good at this internet thing, are you?


I think "this internet thing" he is doing is typically called trolling. He's at least adequate in that hobby.

;3775859']I utterly fail to see how Unsecured Coins can in any way be held responsible for Alex Jones failing to do some basic fact-checking before reporting an extraordinary claim.

Remember: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
If AJ fails the second part, it is his fault, not UCs.


I think part of the problem may be that AJ doesn't see it as an extraordinary claim. UC's story is the world AJ lives in.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Oh, here's something that popped into my head regarding AJ's claim that debunkers are such liars: UC, if I were you, I would have immediately asked, "If you knew I was such a liar, then why did you report my story as true?"

[Unsecured Coins]

Oh, here's something that popped into my head regarding AJ's claim that debunkers are such liars: UC, if I were you, I would have immediately asked, "If you knew I was such a liar, then why did you report my story as true?"
because he dumped my mic to avoid further embarrassment

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Does that tank have a big gun on it? Whats that compensating for i wonder?

The defficiencies of the original 105 mm gun used on the first M1's, duuuhhhh.

[OldTigerCub]

Oh, here's something that popped into my head regarding AJ's claim that debunkers are such liars: UC, if I were you, I would have immediately asked, "If you knew I was such a liar, then why did you report my story as true?"

AJ never gave Unsecured Coins a chance to say anything further, but went off on a rant about JREFers being liars and Marines throwing puppies and a whole list of incoherencies. I thought that, other than highlighting Jones' total lack of journalistic credibility, The RFID Stingtm proved beyond any doubt that AJ has no sense of humor.

[Dog Town]

The RFID Stingtm proved beyond any doubt that AJ has no sense of humor.

Too bad, because he's pretty darn funny! Sad for someone, to miss all that humor!:D

[applecorped]

a lie is a lie is a lie.......justify it all you want. To be better than them we must be better than them. That is all it takes, and it is not that much to ask.

[Brainache]

I sometimes think that AJ has a very well developed and subtle sense of humour. That he says what he says out of some drive to be the best dead pan irony comic ever. That all his radio shows and DVDs are actually parody and that he is secretly chuckling to himself about all the money he makes off of the credulous public...

But then the pot wears off and I realise that he really is just a big fat loud mouthed paranoid moron.

OH well, maybe it's his resemblance to Bill Hicks that does it...

[Whiplash]

EDIT: nevermind, I was mistaken

[~enigma~]

OH well, maybe it's his resemblance to Bill Hicks that does it...
The scary part is...

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1325748532ade02d09.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=12561)http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1325748532b041e926.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=12562)

[Brainache]

The scary part is...

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1325748532ade02d09.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=12561)http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1325748532b041e926.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=12562)

Yeah. I think there is actually a CT about this out there somewhere in Loonland. Bill faked his own death so that he could give up teh funnay and focus on serious issues like the NWO, NAU, RFIDs and puppicidal soldiers...

[X]

Windage?

How do you wind a tank?


(the way this thread is going, this post will probably get tanked, but I have to make the pun...)

[~enigma~]

Yeah. I think there is actually a CT about this out there somewhere in Loonland. Bill faked his own death so that he could give up teh funnay and focus on serious issues like the NWO, NAU, RFIDs and puppicidal soldiers...
I know some truthers would love to see AJ be Bill Hicks but isn't there already a truther named Sander Hicks. Those selfish and disrespectful truthers should leave this one for someone else :)

[Drudgewire]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, 30 seconds listening to Jones is all the evidence I need to know the only way Hicks could be Alex Jones would be if he'd been suffering from a brain tumor instead of pancreatic cancer. :p

[applecorped]

Lead vocal: lenny zakatek

If I had a mind to
I wouldnt want to think like you
And if I had time to
I wouldnt want to talk to you

I dont care
What you do
I wouldnt want to be like you

If I was high class
I wouldnt need a buck to pass
And if I was a fall guy
I wouldnt need no alibi

I dont care
What you do
I wouldnt want to be like you

Back on the bottom line
Diggin for a lousy dime
If I hit a mother lode
Id cover anything that showed

I dont care
What you do
I wouldnt want to be like you

[Dog Town]

Yeah. I think there is actually a CT about this out there somewhere in Loonland. Bill faked his own death so that he could give up teh funnay and focus on serious issues like the NWO, NAU, RFIDs and puppicidal soldiers...

That would explain how old AJ looks!:rolleyes:


Aside:
I knew Bill, AJ is no Bill! For real...

[Cl1mh4224rd]

because he dumped my mic to avoid further embarrassment


Ahh. I thought you were just being a nice guy and waiting until he was done, but never got to that point. :)

[Brainache]

That would explain how old AJ looks!:rolleyes:


Aside:
I knew Bill, AJ is no Bill! For real...

I never knew Bill, but yeah that CT is about as likely as any of the others (ie: not very).

[kookbreaker]

I get the feeling that if a certain someone was in the military he'd be out trying to find grid squares and headlight fluid like he was told to.

[mrbaracuda]

Wait. That whole thing was a hoax? Man, I don't know who to trust anymore!

:rub:

Well, though I don't know what being wrong constantly on web forums pays, I'd say you don't have to worry about that.

You think it's possible Jones is paying people to JAQ off and such? :boxedin:

Where have I been wrong?

My head just assploded.

[gumboot]

I'm finding the whole theauthor conversation hilarious, particularly the "military people are dumb" one.

I recall reading an article - many years ago now - in which the US army was having recruiting problems because warfare had become so state-of-the-art and advanced that even the basic crawl-in-the-mud grunt needed to be well above average intelligence. The problem being that the military isn't exactly the most appealing career for the rich kids, so increasing numbers of applicants had insufficient intelligence for the job.

Of course this is increased substantially for officer selection. The German army introduced officer training systems prior to WW2 which played a significant part in their military's early successes, and virtually every western army now uses officer training methods based on those developed by the Germans, including the Officer Selection Course (which is surprisingly similar across multiple nations) and training exercises such as TEWT (Tactical Exercise Without Troops).

I can honestly say that when I did my OSB (Officer Selection Board) I underwent the most thorough, all emcompassing, and difficult testing I have ever been through in my life. I couldn't serve for medical reasons, but I'm still proud of achieving the goal of passing my OSB (not to mention getting selected for OSB in the first place which involves passing a regime of vigorous testing).

And while the enlisted men and women of the military might not initially be screened as heavily for traits such as higher intelligence, leadership, and creative thinking, technical proficiency is a must, and any OR who has attained rank is certainly a highly proficient technician with expertise in particular areas, and someone who has shown worthy leadership skills. Certainly not something any decent person should be scoffing at.

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

Hang on; don't know if anyone else has picked up on this..

'Thousands' of people were told?! How many people do you think listen to Jones' show? Plus, how far reaching is it?

Compared to;

'All' Ace did was edit a wikipedia page?! The same wikipedia that is known by and can be accessed worldwide by billions of people in many different languages?

My 12 year old daughter living here in Germany with me knows what wikipedia is; she's never heard of Alex Jones.

Who do you think potentially caused more damage, AJ or Ace?!

Are you going to address these questions, theauthor, or just continue to pop smoke to cover a hasty retreat?

[chillzero]

Are you going to address these questions, theauthor, or just continue to pop smoke to cover a hasty retreat?

Of course he'll run away. He ran away from all the others, didn't he?

theauthor... while you successfully employed CTist tactic numero three, by chucking in an insult for distraction and detraction from the issues at hand, some of us still remember the original discussion.

So....

Why is AJ not responsible for his own stupid, inane, moronic actions?

Why are you less angry that claimed engineers for truth are not confirmed as valid when touted to support the TM?

Why are you less angry that CT sites deliberately use known falsehoods to promote their agenda, dishonouring all those thousands that died that day and the millions affected since?

Do you think AJ has a responsibility to report on every matter that comes before him from the lives of JREFers?

and finally...


Why don't you just admit that you are sore that you got fooled, and admit that you are pissed that you can't rely on those who feed you your daily propoganda?

[HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP]

Same thing here. We set up a trap and they bought into it. Why? Because they want these theories to be true so they can sell it to their audience and get money in the end.

In the end, UC has shown that Alex Jones has little respect for anyone except his ego and money.
It would've been funnier if some new poster here @ JREF would have also come forward about him being chipped long ago.
wished you guys could've kept quiet for years!:D

[abenja1]

I think everyone remembers the post, by Unsecured Coins, a few weeks back, about his RFID implant. There were some pretty strong reactions by the JREF, SLC, and LC blog posters, about this involuntary implant being forced on him.

The good news is........

See Link: http://www.gabcast.com/index.php?a=episodes&query=&b=play&id=19973&cast=82403&castPage=

it's Episode #11, and yes......

He never got an RFID chip! It was all made up! A hoax! A prank! A trick!

You might be saying to yourself, "Who gives a Shitake mushroom?"

And I would say to you, "Alex Jones and Jason Bermas do."

They care so much, in fact, that they have reported it, as fact, at least 5 times. This does make a very important point, believe it or not. It has to do with journalistic credibility, and time and time again, the "truthers" prove they have none.

What kind of "reporter" gets on air, and reports unverified stories, from blogs that are frequented by their critics, as true?

A stupid kind of reporter, that's who.

Jones and Bermas claim to be "journalists" and "reporters", but they repeatedly skip the basic steps required of said professions. The Dynamic Duo, might as well have taken a bite out of The Onion, and reported on it! LOL!

It's funny to see the amount of coverage this got, and it was hard not to spill the beans. It was well worth it though. So, in the words of the person who let me in on this...." just sit back, relax, and let the nuttiness flow."

Awesome job, UC!!

(oh, and I'm not good at spelin, and grahmer, n stuff, so save it!)

If Jones and Bermas are reporters, I'm Elvis reincarnated.... or maybe not reincarnated.

[tsig]

It would've been funnier if some new poster here @ JREF would have also come forward about him being chipped long ago.
wished you guys could've kept quiet for years!:D

This proves that AJ reads the forum. Why?

[Horatius]

Certainly not something any decent person should be scoffing at.


Aye, there's the rub!

[Dave_46]

Jon Ronson is a member of the forum.

Dave


Really?!

Well, he doesn't post often.

http://forums.randi.org/member.php?u=10666#

Dave

[Sabrina]

Well it would seem theauthor is at least listening to the mods and halting the insults. For now at any rate.

[pomeroo]

I know they do but I can write my own name so I meet those standards.


I'd be prepared to bet that if you had to write all of your names, you'd spell at least one incorrectly.

[Elizabeth I]

wrong yet AGAIN. I'll bet I could put you in the gunner's seat of my M1A2SEP v2 tank and with the request to do a muzzle reference check, make your head explode.

I'd like to see TA get through the ASVAB.

And I think, in this context, the word should be "asplode."

Does that tank have a big gun on it? Whats that compensating for i wonder?

Jealous?

[~enigma~]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1325748546b42b4dc2.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=12583)wrong yet AGAIN. I'll bet I could put you in the gunner's seat of my M1A2SEP v2 tank and with the request to do a muzzle reference check, make your head explode.

[Bobert]

Wow that is a cute pussy!
NWO no doubt!

[BenBurch]

Wow that is a cute pussy!
NWO no doubt!

She's sitting on a Wz 63 and is about to pull it...

[Bobert]

Uh oh!

[DaN K. StAnLeY]

I just realized these guys bit this hook, never verified it, and reported it as news, within like 12-14 hours of the post on SLC. The cream of the journalistic crop, these two are ;)

[HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP]

" WHA WHA WHA!!! THEY FOOL US!
IT IS STILL JREF FAULT! REPORTER jONES WAS ONLY REPORTING!
YOU CAN FOOL MOST OF US TWOOFERS ALL THE TIME!
BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL REPORTER JONES! "

[kookbreaker]

What a surprise: the guy with the screwed up moral compass was a sock puppet.

[mrbaracuda]

What a surprise: the guy with the screwed up moral compass was a sock puppet.

Shocking, wasn't it? ;)

[jmercer]

Of course not.

Someone claiming to have written your posts would require a personality having deeply rooted elements of dishonesty and disingenuity... say, on the order of someone operating a sock puppet whilst declaiming about deceptive practices in a skeptic's forum.

Hypothetically speaking, of course. :)
What exactly are you accusing me of? And why, as a moderator, are you doing so in the forum?
What accusation are you speaking of? I didn't accuse anyone of anything. :)

As for my presence here, I am a forum member, remember. :)

Gee... I wonder why he panicked at that point? :ninja

[Sabrina]

Suicide by mod; never fails.

You have to wonder why these guys are such gluttons for punishment though, seriously.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Suicide by mod; never fails.

You have to wonder why these guys are such gluttons for punishment though, seriously.


I don't know if I'd call being banned for sock-puppetry "suicide by mod", although I guess it could be some tortured form of it...

Also, for the Sock Master: insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

Although I guess that could apply equally to the mods. :)

pdoherty76: Trolling for Truth...

[jonronson]

Well I just posted a quote in which he states that Jones does not actually believe some of his stuff. Which is it?



Really?!

Hi all,

I've just been reading through this thread and thought I should clarify my seemingly contradictory statements regarding AJ.

When I say he believes what he says, I mean he believes it in the widest, polemical sense. But he is certainly not averse to spinning and exaggerating and (I guess) sometimes outright lying to bolster his point.

I know he knows he exaggerated his opinions of Bohemian Grove: he admitted as much to me. Plus, when we were inside Bohemian Grove Alex said he overheard two old men say to each other, "Yeah we're going to get that guy elected." I think that's a bit of creativity on Alex's part.

But I think he lies in the same way that all polemicists lies, Michael Moore, etc, included. Polemicists are fundamentalists, right, and are willing to lie to prove their fundamental beliefs?

Jon

PS: Who's this guy Enigma who says "all thinking humans know Ronson is wrong"? Can he be banned please? x

[l0k0]

UC: You video needs to include some of Sophia Shafquat's trademark editing. Dub some explosions and sirens into your footage as the "best you got". You may get the truthers to believe it twice :D

[~enigma~]

PS: Who's this guy Enigma who says "all thinking humans know Ronson is wrong"? Can he be banned please? x
Considering we have another quote from another source saying AJ doesn't believe the crap he peddles. As I said before ALL thinking humans believe Ronson is wrong.

[mrbaracuda]

Hi all,

Hey, just read the excerpt of your book "Them" about the Bilderberg Group on the Guardian (I think) website. Good stuff, just like your adventure with Jones. :)

[Clippy]

This is from Gravy. Thanks Gravy!

Dan K. Stanley was joking (don't know why). I don't expect the shows to be on the web for a couple of weeks.

Wasn't Dan K. Stanley recently praising Unsecured Coins for lying on the JREF forum? Wow, Troy from WV, DKS- real bumper crop of debunkers this year!

[Drudgewire]

Wasn't Dan K. Stanley recently praising Unsecured Coins for lying on the JREF forum? Wow, Troy from WV, DKS- real bumper crop of debunkers this year!

And yet they still manage to make you guys look like fools on a daily basis. Says a lot for your retarded movement, doesn't it? :p

[Par]

Wasn't Dan K. Stanley recently praising Unsecured Coins for lying on the JREF forum? Wow, Troy from WV, DKS- real bumper crop of debunkers this year!


When you posted that – when you attempted to conflate hoaxes and mere lies – you presumably must have been being wilfully dishonest. You’re hardly remarkable in that respect – dishonesty as a means to an end is practically ubiquitous within the “Truth Movement”. But here’s the thing I don’t understand: You must have also realised that someone would simply point out that hoaxes and lies differ appreciably, and in doing so would straightforwardly expose your dishonesty. So why did you post it anyway?

Provisionally, I can see only two possibilities:


You exhibit some type pathology in accordance with which dishonesty is not so much a means to an end but rather a means in itself. (If such a condition exists, I’m unfamiliar with it.)
You genuinely don’t understand the distinction between hoaxes or jokes and mere lies. (This is rather implausible, as it concerns a nuance every human being has grasped by their fifth birthday.)

It’s a puzzle indeed.

[Clippy]

So it's a hoax when you admit afterwards that you were lying. Thanks for the clarification.

[Par]

So it's a hoax when you admit afterwards that you were lying. Thanks for the clarification.


The above is similarly weird. Did you really hope to convince anyone that I had actually made any such argument? What a peculiar fellow you must be.

[T.A.M.]

White lying to expose the invalidity of a site falsely presenting itself as a collection of licensed professionals who support the "9/11 was an inside job" theory, it tolerable here.

Certainly much less of an offense then the WAC jobs presenting themselves as real journalists in order to stalk and harass people for the sake of their videos.

TAM:)

[Drudgewire]

The above is similarly weird. Did you really hope to convince anyone that I had actually made any such argument? What a peculiar fellow you must be.

I'm afraid legally Clippy has us here. It's why Ashton Kutcher is being forced to change the name of his show from "Punk'd" to "Lying to Celebrities." :rolleyes:

[Clippy]

The comedy in Unsecured Coin's lie was how readily 'debunkers' lapped it up.

[Par]

I'm afraid legally Clippy has us here. It's why Ashton Kutcher is being forced to change the name of his show from "Punk'd" to "Lying to Celebrities." :rolleyes:


Hah! “The Sokal Lie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair).”

[Clippy]

Hah! “The Sokal Lie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair).”

Is JREF the home of post-modern debunking? It's all making sense now.

'I die happy because I was lied to by Unsecured Coins'

[Disbelief]

The comedy in Unsecured Coin's lie was how readily 'debunkers' lapped it up.

Since when did Alex Jones become a debunker?

[Drudgewire]

The comedy in Unsecured Coin's lie was how readily 'debunkers' lapped it up.

Yes, we went on radio shows and tried to convince people nationwide it was true without doing any follow-up research. Man, he got us big time.

That said, gotta give love to Childlike Empress in that thread. (s)He did turn the tables pretty impressively. :)

[MarkyX]

So it's a hoax when you admit afterwards that you were lying. Thanks for the clarification.

If lying is our worst crime, I'm happy. What about you guys? How many people have you assaulted today? Were any of them on a wheelchair?

[Clippy]

If lying is our worst crime, I'm happy. What about you guys? How many people have you assaulted today? Were any of them on a wheelchair?

I propose you check your prepositions and presuppositions.

[DaN K. StAnLeY]

The comedy in Unsecured Coin's lie was how readily 'debunkers' lapped it up.

Wasn't the thread was moved to another subject by a moderator? That should have been a dead give-away. This entire ordeal adds up to irresponsible "journalism" and the willingness of truthers to abandon reason, to promote an agenda.

You also miss the obvious "I told you so" type attitude Bermas and Jones reported this with. Bermas and Jones were so worried about getting something right, they reported news they got from SCREW LOOSE CHANGE! WTF?? Why would one of the makers of Loose Change not double check the facts of a story, on a site frequented/moderated by people who for the most part hate you?

[Unsecured Coins]

hey, let's just come out and say that most everyone that responded in that thread was messaged back and told it was a hoax. So, in this case, alot of people were in on it, "it" being the joke. This was an experiment to see what readtion I could get out of truthers. And since the very next day, Alex Jones was talking about it on his show, I'd say my hypothesis was correct:

Truthers don't want facts. They want ideas that fit in with their argument

[BenBurch]

hey, let's just come out and say that most everyone that responded in that thread was messaged back and told it was a hoax. So, in this case, alot of people were in on it, "it" being the joke. This was an experiment to see what readtion I could get out of truthers. And since the very next day, Alex Jones was talking about it on his show, I'd say my hypothesis was correct:

Truthers don't want facts. They want ideas that fit in with their argument

Also proof that WE can keep a secret.

[Dog Town]

Also proof that WE can keep a secret.

Shhhh...

[Unsecured Coins]

if anyone still cares about this...

457SoOWxc3c

oh, and oddly enough, I kept the swearing down to a bare minimum on it

[BenBurch]

if anyone still cares about this...

457SoOWxc3c

oh, and oddly enough, I kept the swearing down to a bare minimum on it

Cool! Thanks!!!!

[Unsecured Coins]

oh, and JFK... next time, do a little research will ya? Maybe then you won't come off as looking like a complete buffoon.

[tsig]

if anyone still cares about this...

457SoOWxc3c

oh, and oddly enough, I kept the swearing down to a bare minimum on it

Thanks. That was the quickest 180 I ever saw.

It was all jason's fault!!

[John Blonn]

Someone mentioned this earlier, but this incident reminds me of the Sokal Affair - it got similar criticism, but it made similar points about the state of inquiry of the 'duped' postmodernists.

ETA: And Unsecured Coins, did Jones, Bermas, or any truther contact you to verify the story, or at least get more info?

[Unsecured Coins]

Someone mentioned this earlier, but this incident reminds me of the Sokal Affair - it got similar criticism, but it made similar points about the state of inquiry of the 'duped' postmodernists.

ETA: And Unsecured Coins, did Jones, Bermas, or any truther contact you to verify the story, or at least get more info?


no they did not. Except for RedIbis, to an extent, and for that, I do applaud him. But for the other 99.99% no one did anything. And it's not like they didn't know how to get a hold of me.

[Sabrina]

Heh... I got to see it before ANYONE.

Well done UC; VERY well done.

[DaN K. StAnLeY]

LOL, Awesome video man. Imma go get booted from forums tonight posting this one. Infowars and PrisPlanet, here I come!

[chillzero]

brilliant!
lol - 'oompa loompa from hell'!! :D

[ConspiRaider]

Good stuff on the video there, Coins!

I was clued in on this immediately by Sabrina and it did not take me long to decide to REALLY go over the top with moving it along. In my mind, I was trying to be fair. I purposely pulled everything out of my butt (Ripley being preggers with an Alien, remember?) to give CTers a very obvious referent. That they really should look at this whole thing more closely. More carefully. Sheez, I mentioned that UC was in a galvanized tank and was being supercooled in cryogenic freeze to allow the neuronal meshing of the chip to cure! C'MON PEOPLE!!! WAKE UP! That UC should fight hard before the operation for coffee and kuchen?!? HELLO?!?

That people still believed after the quite obvious haw-hawwing by me and many others? THAT is the biggest joke of all!

Well done UC and Sabrina and all other co-conspiraiders :)

[Minadin]

I was "in on it" but only after I threatened to expose their dastardly lies. LIES! Or, mean joke to pull on the extremely gullible. LIES!

[DC]

aah lol nice one

a good worked out lie. well done, you seem to be an experianced liar :)

gratz.

[mrbaracuda]

Nice video. It even has our buddy the laughing dog! :D

[uk_dave]

I was clued in on this immediately by Sabrina

You woz in on it? Damn, man! I contributed Z$1000 to the 'truth' movement on the basis of this story!!

[ConspiRaider]

You woz in on it? Damn, man! I contributed Z$1000 to the 'truth' movement on the basis of this story!!
That's gonna buy 'em a helluva lot of coffee and kuchen, Dave.

Oh wait, you're British? Tea and kuchen.

[Earthborn]

I just heard about it being a hoax. Goshdarnit, Coins! There goes my brilliant plan of getting rich by selling RFID scanners to terrorists... It just seemed like such a thing the US Army would be silly enough to do, implanting their soldiers with little radio beacons... I guess the joke's on me.

The internet rumour that the US Army is planning to put bright flashing lights and sirens on soldiers' helmets is still true, right?

[uk_dave]

The internet rumour that the US Army is planning to put bright flashing lights and sirens on soldiers' helmets is still true, right?

Yeah, but so long as they keep their flies shut..........

.....

.....I'll get me coat.

[mrbaracuda]

That's gonna buy 'em a helluva lot of coffee and kuchen, Dave.

Oh wait, you're British? Tea and kuchen.

Eh, uh. Ja! Ja, ja. Kuchen ist gut, ja. :cool: