Unsecured Coins, Gut-Checks Alex Jones!!

[DaN K. StAnLeY]

I think everyone remembers the post, by Unsecured Coins, a few weeks back, about his RFID implant. There were some pretty strong reactions by the JREF, SLC, and LC blog posters, about this involuntary implant being forced on him.

The good news is........

See Link: http://www.gabcast.com/index.php?a=episodes&query=&b=play&id=19973&cast=82403&castPage=

it's Episode #11, and yes......

He never got an RFID chip! It was all made up! A hoax! A prank! A trick!

You might be saying to yourself, "Who gives a Shitake mushroom?"

And I would say to you, "Alex Jones and Jason Bermas do."

They care so much, in fact, that they have reported it, as fact, at least 5 times. This does make a very important point, believe it or not. It has to do with journalistic credibility, and time and time again, the "truthers" prove they have none.

What kind of "reporter" gets on air, and reports unverified stories, from blogs that are frequented by their critics, as true?

A stupid kind of reporter, that's who.

Jones and Bermas claim to be "journalists" and "reporters", but they repeatedly skip the basic steps required of said professions. The Dynamic Duo, might as well have taken a bite out of The Onion, and reported on it! LOL!

It's funny to see the amount of coverage this got, and it was hard not to spill the beans. It was well worth it though. So, in the words of the person who let me in on this...." just sit back, relax, and let the nuttiness flow."

Awesome job, UC!!

(oh, and I'm not good at spelin, and grahmer, n stuff, so save it!)

[DaN K. StAnLeY]

" Like your father, the Devil, you are a pack of liars!"

my favorite part, ROFLMFAO!!!

[Dog Town]

Awesome job, UC!!

Ditto! I hope the hook stuck in their mouth, rips something when pulled! D'oh Pees hero takes another hit. A sock will be along shortly, to whine about it!


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[Drudgewire]

BRILLIANT!! UC is the man!!

I love his videos too. Always picks great music. :)

[Unsecured Coins]

hell, I could have told you I was the Anti Christ.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

lol...

Jones: "Like your father, the Devil..."

I also loved the mind-bender of "OK, so you lied about that. Thank you. Shows how dishonest you are. You're probably lying right now."

What?

You can tell Jones is a "radio personality" first and foremost by the way he didn't miss a beat when you told him you made up the story.

Jones: "Thank you for confirming what I've been saying all along."
UC: "I made it up."
Jones: "Yeah, you know, I've been telling Bermas how dishonest you people are."

No integrity whatsoever.

[Bobert]

WOW!!!!!
UC got me!
The picture he added sealed the deal!
Good job!

[theauthor]

So yet again dishonest debunkers are caught lying and decieving and treating 9/11 like a game. Pathetic.

[Unsecured Coins]

So yet again dishonest debunkers are caught lying and decieving and treating 9/11 like a game. Pathetic.


Please, let's talk about how GULLIBLE truthers are... it's not MY fault they got suckered into reporting this on almost a daily basis. I didn't MAKE them believe this. They never corraborated this story, they just reported and ran with it.

Now excuse me while I bask.

[gc051360]

So yet again dishonest debunkers are caught lying and decieving and treating 9/11 like a game. Pathetic.

uh.....what?

eta: Alex Jones really seems to care about that puppy.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

lol... "caught". Good one, theauthor. Wait... you do know what that word means, right?

[Dog Town]

So yet again dishonest debunkers are caught lying and decieving and treating 9/11 like a game. Pathetic.

Not bad, less than eight minutes. Do I win a prize?
Um...what does this have to do with 911?

[DaN K. StAnLeY]

" My cousin ........has .....a chip!"

WTF, his cousin has a chip now? I bet a million "Schrute-bucks" his cousin has never been chipped, LOL!

[~enigma~]

" Like your father, the Devil, you are a pack of liars!"

my favorite part, ROFLMFAO!!!
UC as Devil's spawn :)

Son of satan....devil's spawn in a saints disguise :)

[~enigma~]

" My cousin ........has .....a chip!"

WTF, his cousin has a chip now? I bet a million "Schrute-bucks" his cousin has never been chipped, LOL!
My cousin had a chip...well chips. She got them with her fish last night at Long John Silvers.

[Drudgewire]

If Jones wants to be consistent he should just keep reporting the story as true. After all, pawning off proven hoaxes as the real thing is the only reason anyone knows his name. :p

[NYCEMT86]

Can someone link me to these photos and documents, this is [Rule10] genius.

[Unsecured Coins]

they'll be in my next UC vid. That's all I'm saying.

but here's what started it
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=113706

[Cl1mh4224rd]

OK, now... I have to ask: Who knew about this?

So far, I get the impression that DaN K. StAnLeY and Pat knew...

[dudalb]

hell, I could have told you I was the Anti Christ.

"What Should I call you, Your Satanic Majesty?"
"How about DAD!"
I loved that bit from "The Devil's Advocate".

Alec Jones really confirmed every suspcion that he is total wackjob with that rant.

[DaN K. StAnLeY]

OK, now... I have to ask: Who knew about this?

So far, I get the impression that DaN K. StAnLeY and Pat knew...

:D

[Unsecured Coins]

OK, now... I have to ask: Who knew about this?

So far, I get the impression that DaN K. StAnLeY and Pat knew...

Sabrina, OldTigerCub, um... Lisa, Enigma, I forgot who all I told. It wasn't much, though

[Drudgewire]

Just patting myself on the back for avoiding that thread like the plague. Big fan of UC and didn't want to call bull:rule10 on him but something told me to just walk away.

:cool:

[GreNME]

Wait a second: AJ claims his cousin has been chipped. I actually have a few family members in the service or formerly in the service, and yet I couldn't confirm from any of them of such a thing. Has AJ given the name of his "cousin" for verification? It can't be like it's that difficult to find the guy, ask him, and verify AJ's nonsense.

[Dog Town]

Wait a second: AJ claims his cousin has been chipped. I actually have a few family members in the service or formerly in the service, and yet I couldn't confirm from any of them of such a thing. Has AJ given the name of his "cousin" for verification? It can't be like it's that difficult to find the guy, ask him, and verify AJ's nonsense.

Just what I was thinking. I think AJ may have opened another can o' worms, for himself.


Priceless!

[DaN K. StAnLeY]

Wait a second: AJ claims his cousin has been chipped. I actually have a few family members in the service or formerly in the service, and yet I couldn't confirm from any of them of such a thing. Has AJ given the name of his "cousin" for verification? It can't be like it's that difficult to find the guy, ask him, and verify AJ's nonsense.

Yes, now his "cousin" has a chip, he claims.

Troy from WV has his number I bet. If anyone talks to him, ask him the number. They just keep burying themselves:dig:

[~enigma~]

Sabrina, OldTigerCub, um... Lisa, Enigma, I forgot who all I told. It wasn't much, though
Demon seed....are you going to the grove to beat down Molech?

[Unsecured Coins]

Demon seed....are you going to the grove to beat down Molech?

Molech is my HOMEY, dawg

[boloboffin]

Yeah, if it had just been UC's story that Alex reported, it would have been one thing.

But Alex reporting that his cousin has one, too? Well, that puts me in mind of a Jerry Clower story about the time Marcel went to a wake and then got thirsty and took the corpse to a bar. A fight broke out and when it was all over, the cops found a knife sticking out of the corpse. They asked the guy whose knife it was about it, and the guy said...

I couldn't help it, officer. That guy pulled a knife on me.

:dl:

[Bobert]

JFK will do anything to maintain his hatred of the US government.

[Bobert]

The Marines threw a puppy off of a cliff?

[Whiplash]

So yet again dishonest debunkers are caught lying and decieving and treating 9/11 like a game. Pathetic.


Yes, because taking steps to expose faux journalists by showing their complete lack of fact checking and verification before running with a story (journalistic standards) is treating 9/11 like a game. I can totally see how you came to that conclusion.

[~enigma~]

The Marines threw a puppy off of a cliff?
Yes...it was the objective of their mission to seek out and destroy the puppy that belong to an al-qaeda member :)

I mean seriously, they claim they are JAQING off about the deaths of 3000 citizens and they actually worry about such a minor triviality....

[Dog Town]

It's always fun to go fishing for fools, and catch your limit.
I used to post "Onion" articles on ATS, and Colbert, almost sunk the boat every time. The best part about your little ditty is, you posted it here, they lurked and leaped. Bravo, Sukkaaazzzzzz! That JFK kid is funny, and dumber than a bag O' hammers!

[mrbaracuda]

Wait, what? UC fooled us all and made them twoofer look like asses and them twoofers are STILL using it?

OH SWEET BABY JESUS! :jaw-dropp

:deeek:

[~enigma~]

That JFK kid is funny, and dumber than a bag O' hammers!
Yeah...we now have proof that military personnel (all - apparently includes his beloved Kory Rowe) and that JREF posters (again all) lie.

[~enigma~]

SWEET BABY JESUS! :jaw-dropp

:deeek:
Get it right dude. We are all apparently sons of satan along with Mr. Unsecured Coins.

[Dog Town]

Wait, what? UC fooled us all and made them twoofer look like asses and them twoofers are STILL using it?

OH SWEET BABY JESUS! :jaw-dropp

:deeek:

Hell they added to it, ala Richard Dreyfus building his mashed potato mountain, in Close Encounters !

Priceless!

[Brainster]

Great job on the "reveal" by Unsecured! I think Sabrina came up with the original idea, so kudos are due there as well. I remember listening live the first time Jones talked about this story and just about falling out of my chair laughing.

[OldTigerCub]

hell, I could have told you I was the Anti Christ.
Well, we knew that already....:rolleyes:
The reptilian overlords are pleased!
:crc:

they'll be in my next UC vid. That's all I'm saying.

but here's what started it
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=113706

I have to admit that I had to bite my tongue everytime I read or posted anything in that thread. It is just absolutely hilarious that AJ gave what amounts to a near religious faith to the story, mostly because it plays into his paranoid delusions.
Great job keeping the gag running so long, UC!!!:D

(oh and for Jason Bermas and Alex Jones.....a gift.......)
:dl: :dl: :dl: :dl: :dl: :dl: :dl:

[~enigma~]

(oh and for Jason Bermas and Alex Jones.....a gift.......)
From me they get the world renowned 5 hyena salute...

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And a poster that I find quite fitting..

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[mrbaracuda]

Oh you debunkers! Ever so silly! http://forums.mapcore.net/images/smilies/emot-arghfist.gif:D

[JimBenArm]

Sabrina, OldTigerCub, um... Lisa, Enigma, I forgot who all I told. It wasn't much, though
Sabrina PM'd me when it first "broke". It was hard to keep from laughing at the morons.
Well, okay, it wasn't hard. I didn't even try.

[~enigma~]

I was busy listening to some devil music...

[OldTigerCub]

Sabrina PM'd me when it first "broke". It was hard to keep from laughing at the morons.
Well, okay, it wasn't hard. I didn't even try.

It was Sabrina that clued me in as well. I nearly split a gut when I found out that AJ was ranting about it on his show.:p

[DaN K. StAnLeY]

Great job on the "reveal" by Unsecured! I think Sabrina came up with the original idea, so kudos are due there as well. I remember listening live the first time Jones talked about this story and just about falling out of my chair laughing.

If it wasn't for Sabrina, I would have blown it. I actually had to go back and edit posts I had made:o. Awesome job Sabrina!:D

[Travis]

Demon seed....are you going to the grove to beat down Molech?

I thought you sacrificed babies to Molech not beat him down? Oh man I sure hope I haven't been doing this wrong. My neighbors will be pissed if they find out their baby died for nothing. They were cool if it appeased Molech but if it doesn't I'm going to catch all kinds of grief from them.

[~enigma~]

I thought you sacrificed babies to Molech not beat him down?Nah...the babies are for our passover matzoh....oh damn, I wasn't supposed to write that here :(

[Dog Town]

I was busy listening to some devil music...

The Wizard, by Sabbath, personal fave!
* starts to hum *

[~enigma~]

The Wizard, by Sabbath, personal fave!
* starts to hum *
You know, the funny part of this is when I went to listen to the AJ tomfoolery, the mp3 that I shut off was a song from Blitzkrieg called Devil's Spawn. I thought that was freakin hilarious timing :)

[mrbaracuda]

Blitzkrieg

Blitzkrieg you say..:eusa_think:

[~enigma~]

Blitzkrieg you say..:eusa_think:
That music gets me ready to perform jedi mind tricks. I was taught by Yoda Abby :)

[Caper]

Oh.... Oh.... Oh

That is so good.... Oh my god that is funny.......Alex you are such a paranoid moron.

[JonathanClement]

It was a JOKE?!

OH, THANK GOD!

SO HAPPY!

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=3lzxQHYk_74

You sure fooled me!

[Nim Chimpsky]

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/10900/brilliant.jpg


BRILLIANT !


If you ever end up at Ft. Carson, I'll buy you a yard at the Golden Bee.


Thank FSM that AJ has no modicum whatsoever of a mainstream audience. If the man EVER gets any PR, a nice catalog of these will reveal the real liar and fraud.

Excellent work.

[Caper]

I must admit though... I thought it was a bit crazy when I heard it originally heard it.

[orphia nay]

hell, I could have told you I was the Anti Christ.

:clap:

All hail, Demon Spawn! :newlol :newlol :newlol

Just patting myself on the back for avoiding that thread like the plague. Big fan of UC and didn't want to call bull:rule10 on him but something told me to just walk away.

:cool:

Me too. :cool:

I think it was the lack of evidence of UC's claim. Now why didn't that stop bigshot reporter Alex Jones from reporting it as Truth? ;)

[Magenta]

Hahaaa, that was brilliant! Well done, UC. :D

Gawd, Jones is a blowhard - does he even know when he's lying or does BS come naturally to him?

[Unsecured Coins]

I think the only one that expressed some doubt was RedIbis, so he gets a box of animal crackers for being to date, the ONLY one who questioned my story.

[plumjam]

Well, I didn't read the original thread.. but from the OP it sounds like, basically, Unsecured Coins lied about having had an implant forcibly put into himself. And the lie was made in the hope of entrapping some people.

I have read some of Unsecured Coins' posts and have enjoyed quite a few of them; he seems ok.
But this thing, as far as I can tell, it was a case of lying to try to fool people who, for whatever reason (right or wrong) he dislikes.
And then we have all these people piling in saying how good it was. Really?
Good karma or bad karma?

Clearly bad karma.
To illustrate, how many times has Alex Jones deliberately lied in order to try to entrap people?

(BTW I have no dog in this fight, overall)

[nicepants]

Well done, UC. This just shows the lengths that people like AJ will go to in order to try to convince people of their loony ideas.

No verification needed when you said you got your chip, he bought it hook, line & sinker. Then after the reveal, it was amazing how quickly he tried to spin it against you.

[fullflavormenthol]

Just crazy that Alex Jones is monitoring this forum. Sort of makes you suspicious...I geuss I'll have to stop sharing Illuminate secrets with you all.

[gumboot]

I knew about this, and judging by ConspiRaider's posts in the original thread, I suspect he knew as well.

Which brings me to a good point... I actually thought, by the posts in the thread, it was rather blatantly obvious that none of us were taking this seriously (including UC) and therefore there must be something suspect about it. In fact I was so sure that we had gone too far and given it away, that I never really followed it up.

I think lying, in a way that gives credibility to the lie, is a dishonest thing for us to do. But I felt it was blatantly obvious that UC was not serious. The reference to the Onion is a good one, because anyone with an ounce of intelligence quickly realises that the Onion is not serious. And just like this parody of UC's, Conspiracy Theorists are known to interpret the Onion as a reputable news source.

[Horatius]

But this thing, as far as I can tell, it was a case of lying to try to fool people who, for whatever reason (right or wrong) he dislikes.
And then we have all these people piling in saying how good it was. Really?
Good karma or bad karma?

Clearly bad karma.



I think it was more a matter of "Lying to show that people like Alex Jones will accept without reserve (or investigation) any info that supports their preconceived notions". For people who claim to be the true "truthseekers" who are smarter and better informed than anyone else to simply hop on this bandwagon (while all the while deriding others as "sheeple") without making any attempt to corroborate the story, simply shows the world what we here in the CT forum already know: That Alex Jones et al. will promote any bogus story that supports their agenda.




To illustrate, how many times has Alex Jones deliberately lied in order to try to entrap people?

(BTW I have no dog in this fight, overall)



The difference is, Alex Jones doesn't lie to "entrap" people, he lies to make a buck off of ignorant fools. UC lied to illustrate a point.

[theauthor]

What worries me is the fact that most people here believed he had had the chip implanted but didnt think there was anything wrong with that.

[PB&J]

Excellent :)

Listening to AJ's reaction to this was absolutely hilarious. "You.. you think this discredits us?!"

[Unsecured Coins]

The difference is, Alex Jones doesn't lie to "entrap" people, he lies to make a buck off of ignorant fools. UC lied to illustrate a point.

a winnar is you

[Reality Believer]

Well, I didn't read the original thread.. but from the OP it sounds like, basically, Unsecured Coins lied about having had an implant forcibly put into himself. And the lie was made in the hope of entrapping some people.

I have read some of Unsecured Coins' posts and have enjoyed quite a few of them; he seems ok.
But this thing, as far as I can tell, it was a case of lying to try to fool people who, for whatever reason (right or wrong) he dislikes.
And then we have all these people piling in saying how good it was. Really?
Good karma or bad karma?

Clearly bad karma.
To illustrate, how many times has Alex Jones deliberately lied in order to try to entrap people?

(BTW I have no dog in this fight, overall)
It is about exposing the reality that nothing from A.J. / Prison Planet / Info Wars is fact checked in any way shape or form. Any little scrap of internet detritus is fair game for them to report as they see fit.

Look at the feces storm surrounding the Bush military record memo that Dan Rather aired. If A.J. was held to these standards of fact checking, he would have been flipping burgers long ago.

[qarnos]

This is almost as funny as the Hugo Chavez thing. Hugo gets extra point for not being a debunker setup.

ETA: Oops, make that Lauro Chavez.

[~enigma~]

What worries me is the fact that most people here believed he had had the chip implanted but didnt think there was anything wrong with that.
We did? I don't suppose you broke your MO and read Gumboot's post...did you?

[A W Smith]

So yet again dishonest debunkers are caught lying and decieving and treating 9/11 like a game. Pathetic.


what did the implant have to do with 9/11?

[A W Smith]

What worries me is the fact that most people here believed he had had the chip implanted but didnt think there was anything wrong with that.


You apparently were outside the private message loop. Most of us knew within the first day thanks to sabrina. After my first post in that thread I got a PM and played along.

Whatsamatter troll? suckered?

[A W Smith]

To illustrate, how many times has Alex Jones deliberately lied in order to try to entrap people?


everytime his lips move

[GreNME]

It is about exposing the reality that nothing from A.J. / Prison Planet / Info Wars is fact checked in any way shape or form. Any little scrap of internet detritus is fair game for them to report as they see fit.

Look at the feces storm surrounding the Bush military record memo that Dan Rather aired. If A.J. was held to these standards of fact checking, he would have been flipping burgers long ago.

I don't think that justifies it. It's definitely an excuse, but it doesn't lend the action any moral or ethical justification.

That said: UC told me about it very early on, and I didn't have a particular problem with it. I like UC's videos because they're amusing parody and because he never seemed to make them out to be anything more than that. Under those auspices I tend to be of the mind that this is just another parody that's going to appear in his next video, and I look forward to seeing it.

It in no way validates nor invalidates conspiracy theories about 9/11, the NWO, RFID stories, or whatever. It's making a parody of the RFID claims, not making a fact-based, in-depth examination and analysis of the claims. It did, however, elicit from AJ the claim that his cousin (supposedly a Marine) had it done, but that's still not a justification (as AJ very likely could have said it previously unsolicited for all I know). I strongly suggest taking it for what it is-- an intentional parody of varying amounts of funny depending on who you are-- and not trying to turn it into some sort of moral victory or something.

[BenBurch]

hell, I could have told you I was the Anti Christ.

You have NO idea how hard it was to sit on this...

[Brainster]

Just crazy that Alex Jones is monitoring this forum. Sort of makes you suspicious...I geuss I'll have to stop sharing Illuminate secrets with you all.

Jones got it from Bermas, who picked it up on SLC. It's obvious they kept following the thread over here afterwards. I thought that Alex had sniffed it out actually, though. I got an invite from one of his producers to appear on the show the day after we initially linked it, but when I replied with an availability I never got the return email from the producer. Kudos to UC for continuing on with the gag!

[DaN K. StAnLeY]

You have NO idea how hard it was to sit on this...

Hearing them report it over and over, to everyone, made it that much better though.

Jones got it from Bermas, who picked it up on SLC. It's obvious they kept following the thread over here afterwards. I thought that Alex had sniffed it out actually, though. I got an invite from one of his producers to appear on the show the day after we initially linked it, but when I replied with an availability I never got the return email from the producer. Kudos to UC for continuing on with the gag!

Bermas, like me, can't go a day without reading SLC, LOL!

[plumjam]

If you're an individual determined to lie in a pre-prepared and convincing manner about a particular topic, and you go to the media about it I'd reckon you'll have maybe a 50:50 chance of getting your story heard. Maybe even better than that.
Here in the UK there have been individuals who serially go onto these morning tv shows to tell all about their "traumatic" stories. They get accepted, and the shows go ahead, without anyone batting an eyelid.
Only months later when they've had their fun, do they let the truth out. The same goes for some newspaper stories, which are just fabrication for money.
Remember the Sunday Times (one of the most respected newspapers in the world) and the Hitler Diaries? The Times paid millions for them, printed them, and they were later shown to be fakes.

On a larger scale, how about Iraqi WMDs, in which most of the western mainstream media were taken in by sustained and unsubstantiated governmental lies? (To an extent that allowed a war resulting in the deaths of over a million people.)

If most of the western media cannot differentiate between truth and determinedly sustained lies in such an important case, why would anyone expect Alex Jones to be able to either?

My point is that if a non-obviously-insane person makes an effort at sustained plausibility with an interesting story, then a good proportion of respected journalists will be taken in by it. So, to me, the fact that Alex Jones was taken in by it is less a reflection on him than on the dishonest intentions of the person initiating the lie.

In life, from practical necessity we are forced to take most people at their word and to some extent trust them. If someone is determined to keep up a lie then it's obviously not difficult for them to fool some people with that lie.

In the end, though, the fool ends up being the person perpetrating the lie, because it is the morally weaker position, and if it becomes a habit then that will be deleterious to that individual.
(And it's more likely to become a habit if that lying is reinforced by praise, as it has been here)

[End of sermon, carry on]

[Dog Town]

and if it becomes a habit that'll be deleterious to that individual.


[End of sermon, carry on]

You should read up some on AJ, and realise how you have it back wards! Re-write your sermon, and I hear the word Jesus makes them happy!
We'll wait...

[plumjam]

You should read up some on AJ, and realise how you have it back wards! Re-write your sermon, and I hear the word Jesus makes them happy!
We'll wait...

Read up some on all media.
Maybe read up some on life in general, including topics such as trust, personal integrity, avoiding lying to people etc..
From what I've seen/heard of AJ he believes what he says. Whether you agree with him or not, that does not make him a liar.

[Dog Town]

<snip>
From what I've seen/heard of AJ he believes what he says. Whether you agree with him or not, that does not make him a liar.

Now that is funny! Maybe a two dog'r!
I should nominate you for a Stundie !


ETA: Stundied! No choice...

[gumboot]

From what I've seen/heard of AJ he believes what he says. Whether you agree with him or not, that does not make him a liar.


I disagree. I think Alex Jones is well aware that what he's spreading is total garbage.

Again, this is not like a newspaper buying a document and publishing it, then finding out the document is fake, nor is it a known person coming onto a show and stating falsehoods live to air.

This is a radio show picking up a single statement made on an internet forum by a single anonymous poster, and presenting it as fact. In my opinion they're not even remotely comparable. In fact it's not even that, is it? It's a known internet poster telling a radio show about a report they read about on an internet forum posted by an anonymous person that was itself transplanted from another internet forum where another anonymous person posted it.

Alex Jones' report is the equivalent of "my friend John got told by some guy that some girl told him she gave birth to an alien".

[fullflavormenthol]

Agreed. No offense to this forum, but I would not take anything here as gospel without researching it to the extreme.

[Axiom_Blade]

Alex Jones is the scummiest guy I've ever seen, so he definitely deserves this. Kudos to Unsecured Coins!

As for how much of this crap AJ believes, I have no idea, but if you have a 12-year-old mentality, you'll just take a story and run with it. If he were at all interested in fact-checking, he wouldn't be where he is today. Simple as that.

[Shrinker]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/3617447977bd34533.gif

[~enigma~]

Alex Jones is the scummiest guy I've ever seen, so he definitely deserves this. Kudos to Unsecured Coins!

As for how much of this crap AJ believes, I have no idea, but if you have a 12-year-old mentality, you'll just take a story and run with it. If he were at all interested in fact-checking, he wouldn't be where he is today. Simple as that.
You mean he wouldn't be stupid, fat, out of shape and look 30 years older than he is?

[Liszt]

this was a pretty good hoax. The picture sealed it really.

Why didn't one of Jones' crew simply email UC, or sign up here and send a PM or whatever? That is the 1st rule of journalism.

If only they had done this, the hoax would have been reversed. Silly fools.

They should have learnt their lesson after the ScrewlooschangeEXPOSED! stuff last year.

I know someone who was pressurised into getting his children chipped! (scare stories about missing kids, i.e. Madelene McCann (big news in the UK) were used). It didn't happen in the end, but this is why the story sounded like it might be true, to me, anyway.

[qarnos]

It didn't happen in the end, but this is why the story sounded like it might be true, to me, anyway.

I'll admit that I initially bought into it. The thing which gave me doubts was the way UC was crying like a little girl about it. He is way too manly for that.

[Liszt]

I'll admit that I initially bought into it. The thing which gave me doubts was the way UC was crying like a little girl about it. He is way too manly for that.


indeed - there were a few clues.

Dan "say UC, how's that implant doing?"
UC "why, I have a picture right here!"

I have a 500 page book about clever media hoaxes - this one should be included.

[Brainache]

I kind of bought into it with my first post in that thread where I wondered if the military could legally force someone to undergo an unnecessary surgical procedure. Shortly after that I got a PM from UC which basically said: "It's a joke to see if the loons will swallow it".

From then on I just started joking. Like Gumboot I also thought that we were joking a bit too much and that someone would catch on, but I guess old AJ just isn't too quick on the uptake. To quote Foghorn Leghorn: "That boy's about as sharp as a pound of wet leather..."

[orphia nay]

I think the only one that expressed some doubt was RedIbis, so he gets a box of animal crackers for being to date, the ONLY one who questioned my story.

Didn't Myriad ask whether RFID meant what you claimed it meant?

[ref]

I agree, that this perfectly illustrates how Alex has absolutely no verification process when reporting news that support his agenda. Anonymous soldier, internet, microchip. That's breaking news to him.

But.

This was also a set-up. A made up story with the intention of making fools of others. We know Alex picks up any conspiracy story out there. Do we need him to pick a lie by us?

It's a two-way street. We set an example of Alex being a fool. But we also set an example of us deceiving and being dishonest. That's not a way to build credibility.

It's ok to point out their lies, but it's not ok to lie to them and then laugh at them when they believe our lies. I think this only widens the gap between "us lying JREFers" and "them gullible troofers".

Just my initial thoughts. Call me a spoil-sport :)

[~enigma~]

I agree, that this perfectly illustrates how Alex has absolutely no verification process when reporting news that support his agenda. Anonymous soldier, internet, microchip. That's breaking news to him.

But.

This was also a set-up. A made up story with the intention of making fools of others. We know Alex picks up any conspiracy story out there. Do we need him to pick a lie by us?

It's a two-way street. We set an example of Alex being a fool. But we also set an example of us deceiving and being dishonest. That's not a way to build credibility.

It's different to point out their lies, or lie to them and then laugh at them when they believe our lies. I think this only widens the gap between "us lying JREFers" and "them gullible troofers".

Just my initial thoughts. Call me a spoil-sport :)But UC did tell them lies and as you said lying to them is ok and we laughed at them (specifically AJ and Bermass) for believing the lie.

[ref]

But UC did tell them lies and as you said lying to them is ok and we laughed at them (specifically AJ and Bermass) for believing the lie.

Where did I say lying to them is ok?

[~enigma~]

It's different to point out their lies, or lie to them and then laugh at them when they believe our lies.
Different in what sense then. Pretty much what you said was intentional dishonesty by setting up truthers is wrong but lying and laughing at them is different...meaning the latter is ok in your eyes.

[ref]

Different in what sense then. Pretty much what you said was intentional dishonesty by setting up truthers is wrong but lying and laughing at them is different...meaning the latter is ok in your eyes.

Ok, maybe my poor english again.

I meant, that it's ok to point out their lies, but it's not ok to lie to them and then laught at them for believing our lies. That's my thought.

[MarkyX]

It's a two-way street. We set an example of Alex being a fool. But we also set an example of us deceiving and being dishonest. That's not a way to build credibility.

I call BS on this.

Setting up traps like this is a good way to determine one's true motives. Remember that Planned Parenthood scandal where someone would call random PP places and asked if he can deposit money to help abortions for certain races (and they accepted it!) ? Perfect way to show the personal agenda of that organization.

Same thing here. We set up a trap and they bought into it. Why? Because they want these theories to be true so they can sell it to their audience and get money in the end.

In the end, UC has shown that Alex Jones has little respect for anyone except his ego and money.

[~enigma~]

Ok, maybe my poor english again.

I meant, that it's ok to point out their lies, but it's not ok to lie to them and then laught at them for believing our lies. That's my thought.
Glad you cleared that up. My opinion is summed up in my signature. They don't deserve rationality but only ridicule. Whatever they get has been brought on by their intentional lies, lunacy, anti-semitism and DRG :)

ETA - not to mention the MAJOR stupidity of the diceman who was brodcast nationwide.

[theauthor]

Its just pathetic attention seeking and shows how dishonest debunkers are. If a truther did something similar you would be slating them. Just look at the engineer Ed hoax that Ace Baker did. You all called him dishonest.

[ref]

We set up a trap and they bought into it. Why? Because they want these theories to be true so they can sell it to their audience and get money in the end.

In the end, UC has shown that Alex Jones has little respect for anyone except his ego and money.

Everybody knew that already. To show Alex as a fraud requires nothing more than a little piece of evidence.

[~enigma~]

Everybody knew that already. To show Alex as a fraud requires nothing more than a little piece of evidence.
Since AJ is a dishonest sub-human and does not ever argue with any shred of rationality, why does he deserve rationality in return?

[theauthor]

Heres what LashL said when Ace Baker revealed his engineer Ed hoax:

Similar to the kkkilltown klown, this guy seems to delight in doing dishonest things and then bragging about them on message boards.

It takes a special kind of conspiraloon to engage in such behaviour.

[ref]

Glad you cleared that up. My opinion is summed up in my signature. They don't deserve rationality but only ridicule. Whatever they get has been brought on by their intentional lies, lunacy, anti-semitism and DRG :)

ETA - not to mention the MAJOR stupidity of the diceman who was brodcast nationwide.

I agree that they don't deserve much. But I also think we should not sink to the level of intentional misleading. But I'm a minority with my thoughts in this thread :) At least this stunt achieved the wanted outcome more than well.

[bje]

Its just pathetic attention seeking and shows how dishonest debunkers are. If a truther did something similar you would be slating them. Just look at the engineer Ed hoax that Ace Baker did. You all called him dishonest.

You're upset that AJ got taken, I see.

[bje]

eta: Alex Jones really seems to care about that puppy.

Apparently, Alex got tired of sheep.

[Liszt]

We set up a trap and they bought into it. Why? Because they want these theories to be true so they can sell it to their audience and get money in the end.



this is true of nearly everyone, skeptics and CTists alike.

People will always (subconciously) filter information to conform to their beliefs.

For example - remember the marine throwing the puppy off the cliff?

I read in all the pro-war type "news" sites that it was a hoax (Michele Malkin being a good example). All the antiwar sites said it was real. No one bothered to look into the story - assumptions were made to reinforce whatever opinion that particular hack had.

(And the marine - puppy story was real)

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080612/puppy_video_080612/20080612?hub=World

[MarkyX]

Its just pathetic attention seeking and shows how dishonest debunkers are. If a truther did something similar you would be slating them.

Remember P'doh saying he was going to give up on the movement and lied about it, bragging about how he "fooled" us?

Be honest with me, are you trying to be a failure here?

[~enigma~]

I agree that they don't deserve much. But I also think we should not sink to the level of intentional misleading. But I'm a minority with my thoughts in this thread :) At least this stunt achieved the wanted outcome more than well.
Too bad the truther idiots are too stupid to see the difference. They were lied to yet the lie was revealed by the liar. In their case AJ lies to them yet never reveals it's a lie. Nor did UC lie to solicit money from them like AJ, Waterboy (Kevin Ryan) and everyone who sells DVDs or solicits donations (like Sofia clunkity).

[theauthor]

Remember P'doh saying he was going to give up on the movement and lied about it, bragging about how he "fooled" us?

Be honest with me, are you trying to be a failure here?


Just admit that you have extreme bias. How is this pathetic stunt any different to the engineer ed hoax as discussed here

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=64164&page=2

[ref]

I'm just trying to keep certain standards. It's not any more ok for us to deceive them, than it is for them to deceive us. Alex was already a known fraud. And we had all the evidence in the world to counter his claims. The man himself is hopelessly dishonest and I would never debate him. To me it's enough, that his points have been shown to be false. But as far as I'm concerned, that's it. Why bother to lie to show something that already was in Alex's words "common knowledge".

[ref]

Too bad the truther idiots are too stupid to see the difference. They were lied to yet the lie was revealed by the liar. In their case AJ lies to them yet never reveals it's a lie. Nor did UC lie to solicit money from them like AJ, Waterboy (Kevin Ryan) and everyone who sells DVDs or solicits donations (like Sofia clunkity).

I agree, their lies are far more worse, with far more serious consequences. I'll leave this topic now. I have to go drinking beer with my buddies ;)

[~enigma~]

I agree, their lies are far more worse, with far more serious consequences. I'll leave this topic now. I have to go drinking beer with my buddies ;)
Beer...It's 8:30 AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ETA - Just go to SMMT and read that technically I am the center of the universe so all time centers on me :)

[JimBenArm]

7:30 Central!!!!!

[Drudgewire]

Beer...It's 8:30 AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's five o'clock somewhere. http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/alcoholic.gif

[ref]

Beer...It's 8:30 AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ETA - Just go to SMMT and read that technically I am the center of the universe so all time centers on me :)

It's 3:30 PM where I live :D

[~enigma~]

7:30 Central!!!!!
Zzzzzzzz time in California.

[~enigma~]

It's 3:30 PM where I live :D
But I am at the center of the universe...you must be on the edge. Careful or you might fall off and see the turtles that hold up this flat earth.

[MarkyX]

Just admit that you have extreme bias. How is this pathetic stunt any different to the engineer ed hoax as discussed here

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=64164&page=2

You haven't answered my question. Your movement lies to gets their point across. They lie about what happened on 9/11, lied about the victims, lied about how controlled demolition works.

Mike the EMT? The "countdown to explosion" ? Saying "Pull it" is a controlled demolition term for bombs? Thermite being used in CDs?

Continue digging.

[CptColumbo]

Its just pathetic attention seeking and shows how dishonest debunkers are.
It also demonstrates how gullible the "twoof" movement is. It demonstrates their lack of fact checking skills and/or their desire to not check the source of a story as long as it jives with their theory. It demonstrates that they are not the free thinkers and seekers of the truth that the present themselves as.
If a truther did something similarThey have.
you would be slating them.Have you missed the rest of this subforum?
Just look at the engineer Ed hoax that Ace Baker did. You all called him dishonest.
As long as the intention of the hoax is to showcase the deficiences in an organization that wants to be taken seriously as a source for news, you are not on as shaky moral ground as Ace Baker. However, if the intention is to deliberately deceive for ones own personal gain and/or recognition, it would not be something I could personally support. AFAIK, based on the posts I have seen here, the intention IMO is the former, but I reserve the right to change my opinion later.

[~enigma~]

Continue digging.
Umm...when was the last time they came up with anything new that was remotely worth discussing on an intelligent level?

[technoextreme]

Sabrina, OldTigerCub, um... Lisa, Enigma, I forgot who all I told. It wasn't much, though
Sabrina told me. I'm guessing because I was hitting close to the fact that it wasn't true. Was ConspiraRadier in on it? He either had no clue how RFID works or was in on it.

[~enigma~]

Didn't Myriad ask whether RFID meant what you claimed it meant?
May be wrong but doesn't RFID in militaryspeak mean Request For Information Denied?

[chillzero]

aaww... well done guys.

If you'da clued me in, I'd have left the thread here in Conspiracy Theories. All it needed was the less personal approach that was taken.

To the guys opposing the joke, there is a serious difference between one guy lying quietly on a single forum thread about something happening to him personally, that does not impact anyone else in the world, and people publishing lies as factual stories and demanding some kind of action be taken based on those lies.

[theauthor]

aaww... well done guys.

If you'da clued me in, I'd have left the thread here in Conspiracy Theories. All it needed was the less personal approach that was taken.

To the guys opposing the joke, there is a serious difference between one guy lying quietly on a single forum thread about something happening to him personally, that does not impact anyone else in the world, and people publishing lies as factual stories and demanding some kind of action be taken based on those lies.


If you want to condone dishonesty and scams then thats up to you.

[JimBenArm]

If you want to condone dishonesty and scams then thats up to you.
If you want to condone dishonesty and scams, then join the Truth Movement!

[chillzero]

If you want to condone dishonesty and scams then thats up to you.

ahh... the sweet smell of irony.

If you seriously can't tell the difference, then you've got a perception problem, and that's what people like Alex Jones play on.

[Liszt]

ahh... the sweet smell of irony.

If you seriously can't tell the difference, then you've got a perception problem, and that's what people like Alex Jones play on.

You are implying that Jones is deliberately misleading people.

According to Jon Ronson, this is not the case - Jones actually believes his stuff.

[~enigma~]

ahh... the sweet smell of irony.

If you seriously can't tell the difference, then you've got a perception problem, and that's what people like Alex Jones play on.
Would it be against the MA to point out that there are medications that can help people with that problem? Oh damn...i guess I said it anyway :)

[~enigma~]

You are implying that Jones is deliberately misleading people.

According to Jon Ronson, this is not the case - Jones actually believes his stuff.
And I would say Jon Ronson is wrong and so would ALL thinking humans. Guess what that means :)

[Liszt]

Would it be against the MA to point out that there are medications that can help people with that problem? Oh damn...i guess I said it anyway :)

good God you're funny.

[~enigma~]

good God you're funny.
I can do a one hour stage act if you have enough cash.

[CptColumbo]

If you want to condone dishonesty and scams then thats up to you.And if you wish to defend a show that uses a single internet poster as their sole source for a story that they report, that's up to you.

I would then expect you to denounce every "sting" operation conducted by law enforcement and journalists (Do I need to connect this with "To Catch a Predator?") as being dishonest. Also, I would expect you believe it isn't a reporter's responsibility to double-check their sources and/or confirm a story before reporting it.

[chillzero]

You are implying that Jones is deliberately misleading people.

According to Jon Ronson, this is not the case - Jones actually believes his stuff.

I am sure that one person is entitled to their opinion.

How that is meant to refute my comment regarding "people like Alex Jones" I have no idea.

[plumjam]

So some people are saying they don't believe that AJ believes in what he's saying.
:rolleyes:

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

[Liszt]

I can do a one hour stage act if you have enough cash.


ok. I'll provide the ping pong balls.

[Liszt]

I am sure that one person is entitled to their opinion.

How that is meant to refute my comment regarding "people like Alex Jones" I have no idea.


Ronson spend a fair bit of time with Jones - one of the few skeptics to do so. What he says makes sense.

It sort of refutes the Alex Jones bit of your post - but not the "people like" Alex Jones, so fair enough on that.

Of course, no one likes Alex Jones.

[Drudgewire]

ok. I'll provide the ping pong balls.


http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/barf.gif

[mrbaracuda]

ahh... the sweet smell of irony.

It's all over him, isn't it? ;)

[Myriad]

Didn't Myriad ask whether RFID meant what you claimed it meant?


Not that I recall. I was completely taken in when I first posted in the thread, though I might have had some difficult questions about the details (such as the chips' likely capabilities) that in hindsight might seem to be expressing doubt.

After my first post, Sabrina clued me in, and (again in hindsight) I saw some clues in the original claim that I hadn't picked up on, such as why would they use a stamp of "RFID" as an ID for test subjects, instead of some information-packed code number? It would be like stamping SCALPEL on someone's order for surgery.

What worries me is the fact that most people here believed he had had the chip implanted but didnt think there was anything wrong with that.


Why did this worry you? Here's my logic for taking a position approving of the fictional/hypothetical program, given the rationale that UC put in his scenario, from the perspective of my ten years' experience as a data acquisition technologist for medical studies involving human subjects.

1. The effects and after-effects of stress have ruined many veterans' lives, and disrupted many others'.

2. The most effective way to study such stress effects is to acquire data on stress-related physiological parameters in human subjects. This is a prerequisite for testing any prospective methods of ameliorating the harmful effects.

3. Given the inherent difficulty of "simulating" stressful situations (the mere knowledge that it's a simulation makes it much less stressful), the best place to observe stress effects is under the field conditions in which the actual harmful stress unavoidably occurs.

4. RFID technology would allow researchers to conduct such a study under field conditions where conventional biomedical data acquisition methods (such as, taking each subject's blood pressure using a cuff and stethoscope at frequent intervals) would not be possible.

Against any speculation that such a "study" could be merely a cover for more nefarious uses of the RFID technology in military personnel, I observed that the technology is not capable of collecting large amounts of data (for instance, recordings of speech) or of continuous transmission. Also that military personnel are already subject to totalitarian control of their lives and activities while on active duty and that there's little that data an RFID chip could add to that. And that there's nothing preventing the soldiers from removing the chips once they leave the military.

I don't recall any counter-arguments against these points from you (or anyone) in the original thread. But, if you can offer anything beyond "RFID! OMG! I'm scared!" be my guest.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[mrbaracuda]

It's 3:30 PM where I live :D

Hey, kein Bier vor vier! :eusa_naughty:

(No beer before four!)

[theauthor]

ahh... the sweet smell of irony.

If you seriously can't tell the difference, then you've got a perception problem, and that's what people like Alex Jones play on.

I'm no fan of Alex Jones.

How did you feel about members here pretending to be engineers to sign up for ae911truth? How did you feel about Ace Bakers engineer ed hoax?

There wouldnt be double standards going on here would there? Nah, not on JREF.

[~enigma~]

I'm no fan of Alex Jones.

How did you feel about members here pretending to be engineers to sign up for ae911truth? How did you feel about Ace Bakers engineer ed hoax?

There wouldnt be double standards going on here would there? Nah, not on JREF.
Not to mock you (actually I am), can you tell us what personal gain was to be made by pretending to be engineers in order to expose ae911idiots?

[chillzero]

I'm no fan of Alex Jones.

again... please read properly... "people like"

How did you feel about members here pretending to be engineers to sign up for ae911truth?

I feel that was a valid excercise to confirm the honesty of the site owners. A bit like an ombudsman. You should be more concerned that the list is touted as valid, and yet none of those listed are being validated and confirmed. It undermines the honesty of the TM in a major way.

How did you feel about Ace Bakers engineer ed hoax?

I don't know about that one. Ace is a CTists though... give me a link and I'll try to work out what you mean by this.

There wouldnt be double standards going on here would there? Nah, not on JREF.

No.
The guys here had a perfectly innocent joking conversation amongst themselves in one thread, on an anonymous internet forum. They did not call for action, they did not use this 'information' as grounds to demand investigations, or remove politicians from power (or execute them).

As I said earlier, if you don't see the difference between this, and using 'Mike the EMT' to call for an investigation and remove the govt from power claiming it's proof of an inside job, you've got some serious perception problems.

[A W Smith]

I'm no fan of Alex Jones.

How did you feel about members here pretending to be engineers to sign up for ae911truth? How did you feel about Ace Bakers engineer ed hoax?

There wouldnt be double standards going on here would there? Nah, not on JREF.

How do you feel about banned users re-signing up here as socks Paul?

[Drudgewire]

As I said earlier, if you don't see the difference between this, and using 'Mike the EMT' to call for an investigation and remove the govt from power claiming it's proof of an inside job, you've got some serious perception problems.

theauthor? No way. You MUST be thinking of someone else.

:duck:

[Horatius]

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.



Yes, but, appearances to the contrary, Alex Jones is just one guy.

[theauthor]

again... please read properly... "people like"



I feel that was a valid excercise to confirm the honesty of the site owners. A bit like an ombudsman. You should be more concerned that the list is touted as valid, and yet none of those listed are being validated and confirmed. It undermines the honesty of the TM in a major way.



I don't know about that one. Ace is a CTists though... give me a link and I'll try to work out what you mean by this.



No.
The guys here had a perfectly innocent joking conversation amongst themselves in one thread, on an anonymous internet forum. They did not call for action, they did not use this 'information' as grounds to demand investigations, or remove politicians from power (or execute them).

As I said earlier, if you don't see the difference between this, and using 'Mike the EMT' to call for an investigation and remove the govt from power claiming it's proof of an inside job, you've got some serious perception problems.


Please present your evidence that Mike the EMT was a truther.

Try reading the thread, I have linked to the engineer Ed hoax. It occured on this forum, and like the little hypocrites JREFERs are, Ace Baker was slated for it.

[BenBurch]

Please present your evidence that Mike the EMT was a truther.

Try reading the thread, I have linked to the engineer Ed hoax. It occured on this forum, and like the little hypocrites JREFERs are, Ace Baker was slated for it.

Evidence;


3cups four
1/3 cup salt
2tbsp oil (veg)
1cup water
7 drops food coloring.

mix dry ingredients with oil. add food coloring to water and mix together. add water to flour/salt/oil mixture slowly~about 1/4 cup at a time and mix together with a spoon. once you've added all the water, knead the dough with your hands.

[theauthor]

Could the mods please do something about people posting recipes?


By the way, who mentioned Mike the EMT first? How does that fit into this?

[chillzero]

Please present your evidence that Mike the EMT was a truther.

umm... where did I say he was?

Try reading the thread, I have linked to the engineer Ed hoax. It occured on this forum, and like the little hypocrites JREFERs are, Ace Baker was slated for it.

Ok, I missed the link. I'll be afk for a little bit, but I'll look for it and read it when I am back.

No comment about the rest?

[chillzero]

Could the mods please do something about people posting recipes?

You know how to use the report function. However, one such post does not a derail make.
I'm sure the guys won't do any more, because I sense this thread is too popular to go to AAH.

By the way, who mentioned Mike the EMT first? How does that fit into this?

Try reading it in it's context, slowly, and properly.

[theauthor]

Ah so you plucked a comparison with Mike the EMT out of thin air, and you admit he wasnt necessarily a truther lol

Fail.

[CptColumbo]

Try reading it in it's context, slowly, and properly.
Ever the optimist.
What makes you think that is going to happen?
He/she hasn't noticed the difference in what UC did from what Ace did.

[~enigma~]

Fail.
Are you ever gonna get it right? When you post fail it is to be accompanied by a humorus picture according to law...

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1325748528fe98b109.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=12543)

[BenBurch]

Ah so you plucked a comparison with Mike the EMT out of thin air, and you admit he wasnt necessarily a truther lol

Fail.

You twist somebody's words and then claim Victory?

http://i148.photobucket.com.nyud.net/albums/s16/r3v3r3nd_album/fail1.jpg
Source http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?p=10776414#post10776414

[~enigma~]

You twist somebody's words and then claim Victory?

http://i148.photobucket.com.nyud.net/albums/s16/r3v3r3nd_album/fail1.jpg
Source http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?p=10776414#post10776414
This is more fitting...

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_132574852917537e36.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=12544)

[Childlike Empress]

Prisonplanet (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2008/130608_a_prankedpranksters.htm)

In a pathetic attempt at damage control the military has now forced the whistleblower, who recently spilled the beans on a secret internal program to chip soldiers against their will with RFID, to pretent that he made it all up in a prank to fool "conspiracy theorists".

To add plausibility to this rather transparent move, they went as far as using their disinfo agents on pseudo-skeptic internet forum JREF to allege that the whistleblower had informed them behind the scenes about the "joke" while the discussion was developing. Apparently the action is coordinated by a handler with admitted intelligence connections going by the forum name "Sabrina".

We have no reason to doubt the honesty of whistleblower "Unsecured Coins" and wish him well for the consequences he'll certainly have to face for his brave patriotic actions.

[DaN K. StAnLeY]

indeed - there were a few clues.

Dan "say UC, how's that implant doing?"
UC "why, I have a picture right here!"

I have a 500 page book about clever media hoaxes - this one should be included.

I thought a couple of my posts might give it away, but then I remembered they are "truthers."

[CptColumbo]

Prisonplanet (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2008/130608_a_prankedpranksters.htm)So, they won't admit that they were wrong, and did some bad journalism? Classic.

[Unsecured Coins]

Oh... my... god...

This has just entered the Most Greatest Thing In the History of Ever... EVER Department

[DaN K. StAnLeY]

Prisonplanet (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2008/130608_a_prankedpranksters.htm)


Idiots.....sigh.........and so am I...lol. Fell for it, darn it!

[~enigma~]

Prisonplanet (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2008/130608_a_prankedpranksters.htm)
Congratulations on your promotion Sabrina...I really want to know how that fat bastard remembers to breathe?

[~enigma~]

Prisonplanet (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2008/130608_a_prankedpranksters.htm)
UC is a whistleblower?! Is that code for "guy who lied and made you look like an idiot"? Oh wait...that would be a problem if you called Rowdy Willie that. I wonder, would you get banned from your forum?

[R.Mackey]

Prisonplanet (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2008/130608_a_prankedpranksters.htm)

Did they really, really say that? I get a 404 error on the link, and can't find the article on the PrisonPlanet website -- which, admittedly, I'm having some difficulty navigating, given all the crap there...

[Drudgewire]

In a pathetic attempt at damage control the military has now forced the whistleblower, who recently spilled the beans on a secret internal program to chip soldiers against their will with RFID, to pretent that he made it all up in a prank to fool "conspiracy theorists".

To add plausibility to this rather transparent move, they went as far as using their disinfo agents on pseudo-skeptic internet forum JREF to allege that the whistleblower had informed them behind the scenes about the "joke" while the discussion was developing. Apparently the action is coordinated by a handler with admitted intelligence connections going by the forum name "Sabrina".

It's official, that tub of jiggly stupid doesn't believe a word he spews.

No way you try to spin getting pranked this way if you have an ounce of respect for the intelligence level of your audience. That's a "well, these idiots have believed every other retarded fantasy I've thrown at them, I'll bet they even buy this" response. :p

[BenBurch]

Prisonplanet (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2008/130608_a_prankedpranksters.htm)

HAHAHAHA!

Then he also has a time machine because he told me it was a hoax the day he posted it!

[BenBurch]

Did they really, really say that? I get a 404 error on the link, and can't find the article on the PrisonPlanet website -- which, admittedly, I'm having some difficulty navigating, given all the crap there...

Their version of Winston Smith tossed it down the memory hole.

[Childlike Empress]

Did they really, really say that? I get a 404 error on the link, and can't find the article on the PrisonPlanet website -- which, admittedly, I'm having some difficulty navigating, given all the crap there...


Wow, seems like they were forced to pull it! :eek:

























































It's such a pity you had to show up just now, R. I would've really enjoyed some more "skeptics" falling for my little prisonplanet imitation. Of course i made that one up! :D

[Drudgewire]

I figured it was a gag but once I had committed to "tub of jiggly stupid" there was no way I was turning back. :D

[Unsecured Coins]

Prisonplanet (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2008/130608_a_prankedpranksters.htm)

since your link is dead, can you post a screen shot of this?

ETA - you, like your father, the devil, are a pack of LIARS!! Psy-op! shill!! eleventy!!

[BenBurch]

since your link is dead, can you post a screen shot of this?

Haha! CE hoaxed US! :D

Except WE have a sense of humor.

[R.Mackey]

It's such a pity you had to show up just now, R. I would've really enjoyed some more "skeptics" falling for my little prisonplanet imitation. Of course i made that one up! :D

Yup, that's what I thought.

The text was just a little too stupid for me to believe without verifying it. I could imagine Alex Jones claiming Unsecured Coins was brainwashed or threatened into denying the story, but not that he was merely "disinfo" but actually chipped. Mr. Jones appears to be crazy, but not necessarily stupid -- your words would have required him to be both.

Having said that, it was a well-played Parthian shot. The lesson here is a clear one: Anybody can be fooled. This is why the principal tenet of science is verifiability, because anyone, from Nobel laureates to the greenest student, can make mistakes.

This is also why I avoid participation in hoaxes. All one does by perpetuating them is to demonstrate, yet again, limitations of human nature.

[~enigma~]

since your link is dead, can you post a screen shot of this?
Sorry dude. your not a whistleblower but AJ is still a fat bastard who needs help remembering to breathe.

[DaN K. StAnLeY]

Ronson spend a fair bit of time with Jones - one of the few skeptics to do so. What he says makes sense.

It sort of refutes the Alex Jones bit of your post - but not the "people like" Alex Jones, so fair enough on that.

Of course, no one likes Alex Jones.

Jones is a liar. I have personally caught him in lies on air. He claims he has no Idea who Mark Roberts is, even though he met him face to face at GZ two years prior to me asking him.

He denies calling my house and cussing me out. I have the call archived on my phone, but that didn't stop him from saying it isn't true.

He has also edited one of my calls and posted it on youtube completely different than my original tape. I don't know this Ronson guy, but Jones is full of Shitake mushrooms. He might act like he believes it, but mark my words, he is fully aware of his lies.

Some people here have actually stood up for Jones, and complained about UC??? What's this world coming to?

This guys hates America on air everyday for 4 hours, but won't leave the country. He bashes cops, firemen, and soldiers everyday. He called me personally, and told me on the phone that, "when I finds out 9/11 was an inside job for sure, you and your debunker buddies are going to HANG!!!!"

That is plain psycho.

[nicepants]

I disagree. I think Alex Jones is well aware that what he's spreading is total garbage.

I agree. I would LOVE to see him on "The moment of truth" :D

ETA: It would be the ultimate struggle for AJ....the only way to win any money is to be truthful.

[Liszt]

Jones is a liar. I have personally caught him in lies on air. He claims he has no Idea who Mark Roberts is, even though he met him face to face at GZ two years prior to me asking him.

He denies calling my house and cussing me out. I have the call archived on my phone, but that didn't stop him from saying it isn't true.

He has also edited one of my calls and posted it on youtube completely different than my original tape. I don't know this Ronson guy, but Jones is full of Shitake mushrooms. He might act like he believes it, but mark my words, he is fully aware of his lies.

Some people here have actually stood up for Jones, and complained about UC??? What's this world coming to?

This guys hates America on air everyday for 4 hours, but won't leave the country. He bashes cops, firemen, and soldiers everyday. He called me personally, and told me on the phone that, "when I finds out 9/11 was an inside job for sure, you and your debunker buddies are going to HANG!!!!"

That is plain psycho.


OK - I think I may have to think of fatso as a liar now. In particular, the editing of phone calls. (Jones forgeting that Gravy is Mark Roberts is understandable.)

However, your post here (it has since been moved)
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=115781
was going a bit too far.

Anyway, this has to be one of the most interesting threads of all time. It should be pinned.

[~enigma~]

I agree. I would LOVE to see him on "The moment of truth" :D
Watch his facial expressions in this video. He knows he is giving a line of bs.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5448774616004627887&q

[Horatius]

Prisonplanet (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2008/130608_a_prankedpranksters.htm)



Uhm, guys, I think CE just pranked you....

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2008/130608_a_prankedpranksters.htm

Unless that link is working for everyone else.....

[mrbaracuda]

That is plain psycho.

Don't psychos usually LOVE ANIMALS? :confused: I think we're on to something here. ;)

Come to think of it, maybe that's the reason he didn't have a gun when he went into the Bohemian Grove.

[The Silver Shadow]

After listening to AJ go berserk, I have to say this to Unsecured Coins: When is your next video coming out :D

I want to hear more about this :)

[CptColumbo]

Nice one CE. :)

Personally I avoid clicking links to Prisonplanet, especially at work.

[Drudgewire]

He called me personally, and told me on the phone that, "when I finds out 9/11 was an inside job for sure, you and your debunker buddies are going to HANG!!!!"

Can that even be considered a threat? It's like saying "the day after hell freezes over, thaws out, and freezes again I'm kicking your ass." :D

[DaN K. StAnLeY]

OK - I think I may have to think of fatso as a liar now. In particular, the editing of phone calls. (Jones forgeting that Gravy is Mark Roberts is understandable.)

However, your post here (it has since been moved)
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=115781
was going a bit too far.

Anyway, this has to be one of the most interesting threads of all time. It should be pinned.

Jones said he had no idea who Gravy was, after I had talked with him about Marks debates only a few days before (and I never refered to him as "gravy" to Alex).

As far as the other post, I don't think anyone should be able to shout the N-Bomb on air, but I guess I'm being overly sensitive. Again, it was about 25 minutes of troop bashing, that may not have been appro. for the CT threads, but I had to record it quick cause I was waiting for UC to get online with Jones. Now I'm just like those loser quote-miners who made Loose Change:(
and for that, I will be eternally sorry;)

And yes, UC and this thread, rule! Pin It!

[HeyLeroy]

Good job, Sarge!

A procession of smilies for you.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/61974588572ce3cae.gif http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/619745885799b0d36.gif http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/61974588582469435.gif http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/61974593f0fae021f.gif

[Horatius]

Try reading the thread, I have linked to the engineer Ed hoax. It occured on this forum, and like the little hypocrites JREFERs are, Ace Baker was slated for it.



Actually, if you tried reading that thread, you'd know that the "Engineer Ed" hoax happened on Wikipedia, not JREF: (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1932579#post1932579)

Yes, I am the same TruthSeeker1234 that is currently banned from editing Wikipedia, for my having conceived and executed the "Engineer Ed" Hoax. I was sick of having my mainstrem-sourced interesting facts repeatedly deleted from 9/11 articles, so I created a sockpuppet named Engineer Ed.


And I'm not sure of the exact dictionary definition of "Slated" (Well, okay, maybe I do for certain values of "exact" and "dictionary" (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070821014806AAUv26a)), but in a thread with 70 posts, there were only a few that even suggested that creating such a hoax was questionable in nature. In fact, the majority of the thread deals with exactly how Wiki works , and whether or not TS1234's hoax actually showed anything or not.

And in the middle of it is a nice little post about the problems with "Internet Journalism" (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1933048#post1933048), which discusses the same sorts of issues being discussed in this thread.

So, it would seem that your characterization of the JREF response is somewhat, shall we say, less that completely accurate*.

Not that I'm all that surprised by that, mind you.





*not to mention honest

[DaN K. StAnLeY]

Can that even be considered a threat? It's like saying "the day after hell freezes over, thaws out, and freezes again I'm kicking your ass." :D

LOL, Someone brought that up to me before, and suggested I call the station manager about it. I don't have the call recorded unfortunately, but I do have the record of it via my bill. At first he tried to buddy-up to me, and see why I disagreed with him. Then, when I said I had seen the Hardfire debates with Mark Roberts, he went ape-s#!t and started calling me and Mark "Demons", LOL. Actually he said Mark was an "absolute demon" and I was a "one of his little minions"..LMFAO!

Yeah so, that's why I have a beef with Jones. I would call it Super-Beef!

I don't think I'm in any real danger though, hehehe.

[Horatius]

...he went ape-s#!t and started calling me and Mark "Demons", LOL. Actually he said Mark was an "absolute demon" and I was a "one of his little minions"..LMFAO!




Hey, being Gravy's minion is a small and select group. He we are at the last get together:


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2169/2227210923_ca4900702d.jpg (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2169/2227210923_ca4900702d_b.jpg)

[DaN K. StAnLeY]

Absolutely Demonic!! His eyes are red like his father the devil!! LMAO!!

;)

That picture must be straight from the belly of CENTCOM!

[chillzero]

Ah so you plucked a comparison with Mike the EMT out of thin air, and you admit he wasnt necessarily a truther lol

Fail.

theauthor... for someone who names themself after a profession known to be good with using words, you really are letting yourself down.

Try reading what I wrote a little slower, for comprehension. I'll explain it to you in simple words if you still struggle after that.


Childlike Empress - that was priceless, thank you. :D

[theauthor]

theauthor... for someone who names themself after a profession known to be good with using words, you really are letting yourself down.

Try reading what I wrote a little slower, for comprehension. I'll explain it to you in simple words if you still struggle after that.


Childlike Empress - that was priceless, thank you. :D

Who says im named after a profession?

Yes please, explain it to me in very simple terms.

[jmercer]

Well, your name could be Thea Uthor, or Theau Thor, or even Theaut Hor... but it sure looks like "The Author" to me. As in writer. As in a member of the writing profession, known for being good with using words.

Obviously a blatant misrepresentation in your case. :D

[theauthor]

Well, your name could be Thea Uthor, or Theau Thor, or even Theaut Hor... but it sure looks like "The Author" to me. As in writer. As in a member of the writing profession, known for being good with using words.

Obviously a blatant misrepresentation in your case. :D

It simply means the author of my posts. Unless you think someone else authored them?

[theauthor]

So despite all the wriggling, noone can come up with a good reason why we shouldnt consider the perpetrators of the hoax attention seeking liars.

[CptColumbo]

So despite all the wriggling, noone can come up with a good reason why we shouldnt consider the perpetrators of the hoax attention seeking liars.I have no doubt that you think so.

[Arus808]

because they aren't. Again, you have reading comprehension problems and cannot see what the difference is. That is purely bias on your part.

[theauthor]

I have no doubt that you think so.


Well its what some JREFers thought of Ace Baker when he perpetrated the Engineer Ed hoax. Why the double standard?

[Arus808]

The engineer Ed hoax has been answered. And it was on Wikipedia and not on JREF. Please stop replying and read through this thread, and READ every post. You are skipping over many that have contained your answers.

[Drudgewire]

I have no doubt that you think so.

I don't have any reason he shouldn't think that. If he thought otherwise he might actually be right about something for the first time ever and blow what has become a pretty impressive streak here.

Of course I can only base that on the times he gets quoted. He may have been right about something before and no one mentioned it so it just appeared as a line on my screen. I can only go by the evidence in front of me. :p

[Myriad]

What worries me is the fact that most people here believed he had had the chip implanted but didnt think there was anything wrong with that.


Why did this worry you? Here's my logic for taking a position approving of the fictional/hypothetical program, given the rationale that UC put in his scenario, from the perspective of my ten years' experience as a data acquisition technologist for medical studies involving human subjects.

1. The effects and after-effects of stress have ruined many veterans' lives, and disrupted many others'.

2. The most effective way to study such stress effects is to acquire data on stress-related physiological parameters in human subjects. This is a prerequisite for testing any prospective methods of ameliorating the harmful effects.

3. Given the inherent difficulty of "simulating" stressful situations (the mere knowledge that it's a simulation makes it much less stressful), the best place to observe stress effects is under the field conditions in which the actual harmful stress unavoidably occurs.

4. RFID technology would allow researchers to conduct such a study under field conditions where conventional biomedical data acquisition methods (such as, taking each subject's blood pressure using a cuff and stethoscope at frequent intervals) would not be possible.

Against any speculation that such a "study" could be merely a cover for more nefarious uses of the RFID technology in military personnel, I observed that the technology is not capable of collecting large amounts of data (for instance, recordings of speech) or of continuous transmission. Also that military personnel are already subject to totalitarian control of their lives and activities while on active duty and that there's little that data an RFID chip could add to that. And that there's nothing preventing the soldiers from removing the chips once they leave the military.

I don't recall any counter-arguments against these points from you (or anyone) in the original thread. But, if you can offer anything beyond "RFID! OMG! I'm scared!" be my guest.


No answers for this, theauthor? Being worried, but unable to articulate a rational reason for such worry, is not a comfortable state of mind. If you are suffering from an anxiety disorder, I hope you can get the proper care to get it resolved.

Respectfully,
Myriad

Please attack the argument and do not derail the thread.

[Bobert]

So despite all the wriggling, noone can come up with a good reason why we shouldnt consider the perpetrators of the Truth Movement hoax attention seeking liars.

There you go Theauthor I fixed that one for you.
BTW thanks for clarifying that you are not really a published author, you had me fooled there for a moment.

[jmercer]

Unless you think someone else authored them?
Of course not.

Someone claiming to have written your posts would require a personality having deeply rooted elements of dishonesty and disingenuity... say, on the order of someone operating a sock puppet whilst declaiming about deceptive practices in a skeptic's forum.

Hypothetically speaking, of course. :)

[Bobert]

I am confused UC!
If there is no chip how are you supposed to get free drinks and have your checkbooks balanced like Korey said?
I mean you dont think that Korey would lie and make stuff up, do you?
:jaw-dropp

[lapman]

So despite all the wriggling, noone can come up with a good reason why we shouldnt consider the perpetrators of the hoax attention seeking liars.
Obviously, you don't have the intellectual capacity to understand what UC was trying to accomplish. Of course, if AJ had performed such a hoax on here, you would be jumping for joy on how we were duped and praising his name. The fact is that AJ et al have been shown to not care about the truth. They find anything they can, true or not, to support their fantasies and you support this. Jones especially loves to hear his own voice. So it's not surprising that he ran his mouth off about what UC posted without doing one iota of research into the validity of UC's story.

[theauthor]

Of course not.

Someone claiming to have written your posts would require a personality having deeply rooted elements of dishonesty and disingenuity... say, on the order of someone operating a sock puppet whilst declaiming about deceptive practices in a skeptic's forum.

Hypothetically speaking, of course. :)


What exactly are you accusing me of? And why, as a moderator, are you doing so in the forum?

[Bobert]

The NWO allows Jmercer to be both a moderator and a poster.

[BenBurch]

Well, I think he IS a published author.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._C._Doherty

;)

[chillzero]

Yes please, explain it to me in very simple terms.

OK, no problem.
See how easy it is to reach out for help when you need it?

Now, it all started here:


As I said earlier, if you don't see the difference between this, and using 'Mike the EMT' to call for an investigation and remove the govt from power claiming it's proof of an inside job, you've got some serious perception problems.

In this post I am clearly referring to the ridiculous carry on when CTists proclaimed they had a whistleblower who would blow the whole top off the official government story. This was clear and unrefutable evidence of an inside job, according to Dylan and co, and yet no one checked the facts before announcing this, and declaring the government would be brought to its knees, and the truth would be known.

Mike the EMT's story was a lie, and even when that became clear the story was still used by CTists to proclaim "inside job". It was only one example of many lies and falsehoods that CTists have used to promote their agenda.

I was supporting my point to you that there is a difference between generating violence-demanding propoganda based on falsities, and having a giggle in one single forum thread.

But.. you ignore that, and instead create a strawman:

Please present your evidence that Mike the EMT was a truther.


I asked:
umm... where did I say he was?


Because if you read it carefully, you will see that I made no such claim, nor was it relevant to the point I was making, which clearly sailed right over your head, about the difference between deliberate dishonesty, and a joke.

Ah so you plucked a comparison with Mike the EMT out of thin air, and you admit he wasnt necessarily a truther lol

Fail.

I didn't pluck it out of thin air. It's a perfect example of what I was discussing, and you either decided to play dumb, or tried to detract from my point by reaching even farther off line. I suspect you are merely being disengenuous in an attempt to deflect your wrongness.

I'll go back and find that link you mentioned, and look at the other example you asked about...in the meantime....


No comment about the rest?

No comment about how the fact that engineers are not confirmed is more wrong than people testing the claim of the site?

No comment about the VAST difference between a joke and outright dishonesty in an attempt to brainwash people into a 'revolution'?

[Myriad]

theauthor... for someone who names themself after a profession known to be good with using words, you really are letting yourself down.

Try reading what I wrote a little slower, for comprehension. I'll explain it to you in simple words if you still struggle after that.


Well, your name could be Thea Uthor, or Theau Thor, or even Theaut Hor... but it sure looks like "The Author" to me. As in writer. As in a member of the writing profession, known for being good with using words.

Obviously a blatant misrepresentation in your case. :D


Of course not.

Someone claiming to have written your posts would require a personality having deeply rooted elements of dishonesty and disingenuity... say, on the order of someone operating a sock puppet whilst declaiming about deceptive practices in a skeptic's forum.

Hypothetically speaking, of course. :)


Okay, here's some evidence that no one is immune from the phenomenon of this subforum bringing out the worse in them.

I've benefitted greatly from friendly reminders from moderators here, so I hope it's not seen as facetious or disrespectful if I return the favor.

Please don't get drawn into personalizing the argument, you two. That's our job. That's bad, 'm'kay?

Respectfully,
Myriad

[chillzero]

Okay, here's some evidence that no one is immune from the phenomenon of this subforum bringing out the worse in them.

Hey!! Don't lump me in with Joanie there!! :D

I've benefitted greatly from friendly reminders from moderators here, so I hope it's not seen as facetious or disrespectful if I return the favor.

Please don't drawn into personalizing the argument, you two. That's our job. That's bad, 'm'kay?

Respectfully,
Myriad

No worries. I have no intention of breaching the MA. I was merely trying to indicate the levels of patience I am drawing on in order to ensure my reasonable and responsive posts are not cherry picked, misrepresented and ignored.

[theauthor]

OK, no problem.
See how easy it is to reach out for help when you need it?

Now, it all started here:



In this post I am clearly referring to the ridiculous carry on when CTists proclaimed they had a whistleblower who would blow the whole top off the official government story. This was clear and unrefutable evidence of an inside job, according to Dylan and co, and yet no one checked the facts before announcing this, and declaring the government would be brought to its knees, and the truth would be known.

Mike the EMT's story was a lie, and even when that became clear the story was still used by CTists to proclaim "inside job". It was only one example of many lies and falsehoods that CTists have used to promote their agenda.

I was supporting my point to you that there is a difference between generating violence-demanding propoganda based on falsities, and having a giggle in one single forum thread.

But.. you ignore that, and instead create a strawman:



I asked:


Because if you read it carefully, you will see that I made no such claim, nor was it relevant to the point I was making, which clearly sailed right over your head, about the difference between deliberate dishonesty, and a joke.



I didn't pluck it out of thin air. It's a perfect example of what I was discussing, and you either decided to play dumb, or tried to detract from my point by reaching even farther off line. I suspect you are merely being disengenuous in an attempt to deflect your wrongness.

I'll go back and find that link you mentioned, and look at the other example you asked about...in the meantime....



No comment about how the fact that engineers are not confirmed is more wrong than people testing the claim of the site?

No comment about the VAST difference between a joke and outright dishonesty in an attempt to brainwash people into a 'revolution'?

I agree with you about the Mike the EMT thing, which is why I didnt make the comparison. Whoever pretended to be Mike the EMT (IMO a debunker aka Troy) went much further than this hoax. However, it is all deception and lyin g and proves yet again that the debunkers are the dishonest ones.

The comparison I want to make is with Ace's Engineer Ed hoax. He did it to expose bias on wikipedia, but the reception it got here was essentially that he had proven himself to be dishonest. So why the double standard? Why is UC so great for lying to perpetrate this hoax, but Ace was just proving himself a liar?

[chillzero]

OK, I found the link.

Just admit that you have extreme bias. How is this pathetic stunt any different to the engineer ed hoax as discussed here

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=64164&page=2

Well, I don't know that there is much difference. Truthseeker tested whether wiki would permit his dishonest article - much as the guys here tested the list of engineers. Wiki, however, took action to address the dishonesty, whereas those 'engineers' are still listed. What was your point?

There is actually one difference which triggered the anger you see in that thread. Truthseeker's lies were about the deaths of thousands of people. A bit different from an inocuous claim that one individual would be getting a chip.

Many people are (thankfully) able to identify such differences, and handle information with a sensible level of proportion.

[Drudgewire]

Excuse me while I laugh at the notion of a twoofer thinking he's proven something. After all these years it shouldn't still be so funny, and yet...

:dl:

[chillzero]

However, it is all deception and lyin g and proves yet again that the debunkers are the dishonest ones.

In one little thread, on one forum? A little joke amongst themselves? Hardly a thing to make a case out of, is it?

Listen, don't be mad... it's not their fault how the TM responded to the post and ran with it. You should really take a look at where your anger should be placed - just as with the engineers list. You are looking the wrong way.

The comparison I want to make is with Ace's Engineer Ed hoax. He did it to expose bias on wikipedia, but the reception it got here was essentially that he had proven himself to be dishonest. So why the double standard? Why is UC so great for lying to perpetrate this hoax, but Ace was just proving himself a liar?

See my previous post.

[theauthor]

Heres is what LashL said about the engineer ed hoax

Similar to the kkkilltown klown, this guy seems to delight in doing dishonest things and then bragging about them on message boards.

It takes a special kind of conspiraloon to engage in such behaviour.

Heres what sword of truth said

You appearantly believe that any malicious and dishonest behavior is justified when done in the name of your religion.

How long until you start stuffing your vest pockets with C4 and ball-bearings?

Heres what uruk said

So then, you admit to lieing and making up data.
hmmmmm. How very interesting.



Double standard much?

Why dont the above quotes apply to unsecured coins?

[Horatius]

Well its what some JREFers thought of Ace Baker when he perpetrated the Engineer Ed hoax. Why the double standard?



Well, when you can demonstrate that "Some JREFers" can be equated to "All JREFers", perhaps we'll start being concerned about alleged "double standards". However, as we're not all a bunch of group-thinking sheeple (twoofer opinions to the contrary), we're allowed to have varied opinions on the propriety of such hoaxes.

So if you want to whine about double standards, why not focus on those in the Engineer Ed thread that "slated" TS1234, who may or may not have posted in this thread, and stop painting with so wide a brush?*

And knowing the limitations of your "research" skills, I'll even get you started:

You appearantly believe that any malicious and dishonest behavior is justified when done in the name of your religion.

How long until you start stuffing your vest pockets with C4 and ball-bearings?



There. Go play with Sword_Of_Truth, if you can find him.





Of course, if you're truly concerned with people having "double standards, you'd also better PM an apology to qarnos:



To be fair to TS, I don't think he was trying to have a laugh at the expense of victims - he was just trying to prove a somewhat misguided a point in a very misguided fashion.



You wouldn't want to be a hypocrite, would you?









*Oh, yeah, right, that wouldn't let you score a cheap point against us "duh-bunkers", would it?

[Disbelief]

I agree with you about the Mike the EMT thing, which is why I didnt make the comparison. Whoever pretended to be Mike the EMT (IMO a debunker aka Troy) went much further than this hoax. However, it is all deception and lyin g and proves yet again that the debunkers are the dishonest ones.



So, because you think that a debunker pretended to be Mike the EMT, this proves that debunkers are the dishonest ones?

[jmercer]

What exactly are you accusing me of? And why, as a moderator, are you doing so in the forum?

What accusation are you speaking of? I didn't accuse anyone of anything. :)

As for my presence here, I am a forum member, remember. :)

[chillzero]

Heres is what LashL said about the engineer ed hoax


Heres what sword of truth said



Heres what uruk said





Double standard much?

Why dont the above quotes apply to unsecured coins?

Try reading my response. It should have been pretty clear.

You may notice that UC did not "delight in doing dishonest things and then bragging about them on message boards."

Nor did he indulge in "any malicious and dishonest behavior".

Again.. still no comment about the rest of my points?

[jmercer]

Okay, here's some evidence that no one is immune from the phenomenon of this subforum bringing out the worse in them.

I've benefitted greatly from friendly reminders from moderators here, so I hope it's not seen as facetious or disrespectful if I return the favor.

Please don't get drawn into personalizing the argument, you two. That's our job. That's bad, 'm'kay?

Respectfully,
Myriad

I was merely answering theauthor's question. He didn't understand Chill's comment, and I was attempting to assist him. Then he feared I was suggesting that someone else was posting in his name, and I responded to that.

He seems to have taken that personally, though. I hope I didn't strike a nerve. :)

Hey!! Don't lump me in with Joanie there!! :D


Why not? You're always wanting to borrow my nylons... :p

[Minadin]

OK, now... I have to ask: Who knew about this?

So far, I get the impression that DaN K. StAnLeY and Pat knew...


A lot of people who should otherwise know to be skeptical and critical thinkers were going nuts in that thread, letting their BDS get the better of them, but there were also a number of us who never bought it.


Are we 100% certain that this isn't just one of those goofy military acronyms for something like "Ready For International Deployment", etc?

And, I think most of those folks received a PM from someone else who was "in on it" asking us not to blow their cover. We were paid off only with promises of hilarity.

[theauthor]

What accusation are you speaking of? I didn't accuse anyone of anything. :)

As for my presence here, I am a forum member, remember. :)

So what did you mean when you said I was dishonest and disingenuous?

[BenBurch]

I knew. Hence my speculations on how to power said device...

[~enigma~]

. We were paid off only with promises of hilarity.
SUCKERS...I got cash. I rolled around naked in it singing :)

[theauthor]

Try reading my response. It should have been pretty clear.

You may notice that UC did not "delight in doing dishonest things and then bragging about them on message boards."

Nor did he indulge in "any malicious and dishonest behavior".

Again.. still no comment about the rest of my points?


No he did nothing dishonest....he only pretended to have a chip.

No he did not brag on message boards....except when he said that this might be the greatest thing ever on this very message board.

LOL

[Horatius]

So what did you mean when you said I was dishonest and disingenuous?



When did he say either of those words about you?

[~enigma~]

When did he say either of those words about you?
He didn't. Apparently truthers have trouble understanding smilies, hyperbole and other types used in literature (and speaking).

[jmercer]

So what did you mean when you said I was dishonest and disingenuous?

I never said that. Why would you misrepresent what I said?

[BenBurch]

SUCKERS...I got cash. I rolled around naked in it singing :)

As usual, I had the NWO send three members of the MILF squad around for a party... MUCH better than cash.

[chillzero]

No he did nothing dishonest....he only pretended to have a chip.

uhh... the quote was "malicious and dishonest". As I tried to explain above (twice, I think) there was no malicious intent which makes all the difference.

No he did not brag on message boards....except when he said that this might be the greatest thing ever on this very message board.

LOL

emm... that quote was "message boards". Again, I covered this already - this joke was confined to this one message board, and in fact was not even in a public section after the first 15 or 20 posts were made.

I get the feeling you aren't even trying. This kind of knee-jerk blithering is unworthy of a JREFer.

[theauthor]

I never said that. Why would you misrepresent what I said?

You said you believed my posts were written by me. Then went on to say that the person writing my posts had a dishonest and disingenuos personality.

What did you mean?

[theauthor]

uhh... the quote was "malicious and dishonest". As I tried to explain above (twice, I think) there was no malicious intent which makes all the difference.



emm... that quote was "message boards". Again, I covered this already - this joke was confined to this one message board, and in fact was not even in a public section after the first 15 or 20 posts were made.

I get the feeling you aren't even trying. This kind of knee-jerk blithering is unworthy of a JREFer.

What malicious intent did Ace Baker have?

Please explain how Ace was malicious and dishonest but UC wasnt.

[chillzero]

As usual, I had the NWO send three members of the MILF squad around for a party... MUCH better than cash.

I've been called one of those.. is that a good thing then?

[theauthor]

My apologies to Jmercer. I just reread your post and understand it now.

[Drudgewire]

Notice to the attention whore on my ignore list: THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT YOU!! YOU DID NOTHING ENTERTAINING OR NOTEWORTHY!!

We now return you to your regular thread so you may all continue laughing at the gullibility of and lack of source-checking by twoofers. :)

[jmercer]

My apologies to Jmercer. I just reread your post and understand it now.

Not to worry. Always happy to help. In fact, I think I'll hang around, just in case I can assist any more. :)

[Horatius]

I've been called one of those.. is that a good thing then?



That depends - how much do you like BenBurch?

[chillzero]

What malicious intent did Ace Baker have?

Please explain how Ace was malicious and dishonest but UC wasnt.

Did I say that Ace Baker had malicious intent?

Why are you struggling so much to follow a clear and simple line of conversation?

[gumboot]

UC's standard MO to date has been parody. His RFID stunt is simply in keeping with his MO.

Had someone like Gravy, or R.Mackey, or another "serious" and "scientific" debunker carried out such a hoax, I think it would be reasonable to point fingers of dishonesty. However that wasn't the case. Have you ever watched one of UCs videos theauthor? You can hardly claim they're deeply rooted in thorough and scientific research. I think UC would be the first to agree that they contain about as much fact as.... well... the material they're mocking.

[Bobert]

I've been called one of those.. is that a good thing then?

OOOOOOH YESSSSS!
:D

[chillzero]

That depends - how much do you like BenBurch?

Well, I wasn't invited to his party. :con2:

[theauthor]

Did I say that Ace Baker had malicious intent?

Why are you struggling so much to follow a clear and simple line of conversation?


No I think you are having the problem.

Ace baker hoaxed wikipedia and was called dishonest and malicious. UC did the chip hoax and is considered to have done something good.

Why the doubl;e standard? Its an easy question, do I need to write it in bigger letters?

[gumboot]

OOOOOOH YESSSSS!
:D


I've always been fond of the NWO's DILF squad myself, but that might be because I'm a lot younger than most of the other JREF ninjas.

[gumboot]

No I think you are having the problem.

Ace baker hoaxed wikipedia and was called dishonest and malicious. UC did the chip hoax and is considered to have done something good.

Why the doubl;e standard? Its an easy question, do I need to write it in bigger letters?


I don't know that I'd go as far as saying UC did something "good". What he did was something "funny" and "entertaining". Ace Baker is pretty "funny" and "entertaining" too, but for different reasons.

[BenBurch]

I've been called one of those.. is that a good thing then?

You betcha.

[Hokulele]

... Have you ever watched one of UCs videos theauthor? You can hardly claim they're deeply rooted in thorough and scientific research. I think UC would be the first to agree that they contain about as much fact as.... well... the material they're mocking.


I would say that Coins' videos are thoroughly researched. ;)

[BenBurch]

Well, I wasn't invited to his party. :con2:

Well, come on down, I'll open up another case of Champaign.

[tsig]

Read up some on all media.
Maybe read up some on life in general, including topics such as trust, personal integrity, avoiding lying to people etc..
From what I've seen/heard of AJ he believes what he says. Whether you agree with him or not, that does not make him a liar.

So Hitler wasn't a liar?

[chillzero]

No I think you are having the problem.

Ace baker hoaxed wikipedia and was called dishonest and malicious. UC did the chip hoax and is considered to have done something good.

Why the doubl;e standard? Its an easy question, do I need to write it in bigger letters?

Did you miss all my other posts? Really?
I think I made clear the difference between lying about something being done to oneself, for a giggle, on one forum, contained amongst friends and lying about what caused the deaths of thousands of people on a public 'encyclopedia' in order to propogate a feeling of hatred and anger agaisnt the government, and further one's own dishonest agenda.

Isn't that clear enough for you?

And also .. you still haven't responded to any of my other points. Don't you think you should be angrier at people who claim a certain membership and do not double check their listings, than at those who test if those checks are done? Shoudln't you be angrier at people who publish known lies in order to 'convince' the public that their cause is just and true, than at a few people making a quite valid point on one single forum?

You betcha.

Well ok then :)

[Horatius]

Why the doubl;e standard? Its an easy question, do I need to write it in bigger letters?


No, you just need to address it to those who may have shown such a double standard, which is, no one in this thread, so far as you've shown.


Those who have posted in this thread have shown no such double standards, and are being unfairly maligned by your persistent pestering accusations.

[theauthor]

Did you miss all my other posts? Really?
I think I made clear the difference between lying about something being done to oneself, for a giggle, on one forum, contained amongst friends and lying about what caused the deaths of thousands of people on a public 'encyclopedia' in order to propogate a feeling of hatred and anger agaisnt the government, and further one's own dishonest agenda.

Isn't that clear enough for you?

And also .. you still haven't responded to any of my other points. Don't you think you should be angrier at people who claim a certain membership and do not double check their listings, than at those who test if those checks are done? Shoudln't you be angrier at people who publish known lies in order to 'convince' the public that their cause is just and true, than at a few people making a quite valid point on one single forum?



Well ok then :)


It wasnt contained to this forum. It was being talked about regularly on the radio. Because of UC, thousands of people were being told on the radio that military people were being chipped.

All Ace did was edit a wikipedia page.