Proof that WAC is not left-wing.

[leftysergeant]

Over on the RRMB, we have a resident troll (for now, anyway) under the user name Atomic, with whom at least two of us on this forum have had very heated exchanges, which generally end in the troll's banishment. He and other assorted whack jobs are all excited that a member of the Arizona State Senate , Karen Johnson, a Republican, is now calling for a new investigation of 9/11.

Sounds like something to celebrate, at first glance, for a twoofer. She even brought in the WAC hungerkuenstler who had been doing a hunger strike in front of John McCain's office to support her when she addressed the chamber.

I looked up her web page at the AZ legislature site. She is a member of the Eagle Forum, Focus on the Family and a litany of other extreme right-wing organizations. When other members pointed out to the troll that we considered his new-found hero a bit of a fascist sow, he went utterly into defensive mode. He couldn't seem to gewt the idea behind our hostility to his praising such a person on a website connected to such a strong progressive talk show host as Randi Rhodes.

And, from looking at other websites connected with WAC, I find that Johnson is almost uniformly looked up to as a "heroic" figure.

WAC aint a bit liberal, if they think that this character is heroic, just because she agrees with their dogma.

It is a further indication of their insanity that they can't grasp that Johnson's political views are viewed as antithetical to those of Ms Rhodes, and that we would really prefer that they not mention her name with that sort of admiration when she clearly opposes everything that Randi Rhodes or Nova M or AAR or Democrats stand for.

The troll even went so far as to suggest that I was violating some rule of conduct in referring to Johnson as a fascist sow, that this was utterly beyond the pale.

This all on the same page on which the troll suggests in a couple of threads that liberals such as I were acquiescing to all manner of hienous crimes committed by the current administration by not accepting the WAC point of view.

These aint liberals, okay.

[abenja1]

Over on the RRMB, we have a resident troll (for now, anyway) under the user name Atomic, with whom at least two of us on this forum have had very heated exchanges, which generally end in the troll's banishment. He and other assorted whack jobs are all excited that a member of the Arizona State Senate , Karen Johnson, a Republican, is now calling for a new investigation of 9/11.

Sounds like something to celebrate, at first glance, for a twoofer. She even brought in the WAC hungerkuenstler who had been doing a hunger strike in front of John McCain's office to support her when she addressed the chamber.

I looked up her web page at the AZ legislature site. She is a member of the Eagle Forum, Focus on the Family and a litany of other extreme right-wing organizations. When other members pointed out to the troll that we considered his new-found hero a bit of a fascist sow, he went utterly into defensive mode. He couldn't seem to gewt the idea behind our hostility to his praising such a person on a website connected to such a strong progressive talk show host as Randi Rhodes.

And, from looking at other websites connected with WAC, I find that Johnson is almost uniformly looked up to as a "heroic" figure.

WAC aint a bit liberal, if they think that this character is heroic, just because she agrees with their dogma.

It is a further indication of their insanity that they can't grasp that Johnson's political views are viewed as antithetical to those of Ms Rhodes, and that we would really prefer that they not mention her name with that sort of admiration when she clearly opposes everything that Randi Rhodes or Nova M or AAR or Democrats stand for.

The troll even went so far as to suggest that I was violating some rule of conduct in referring to Johnson as a fascist sow, that this was utterly beyond the pael.

This all on the same page on which the troll suggests in a couple of threads that liberals such as I were acquiescing to all manner of hienous crimes committed by the currewnt administration by not accepting the WAC point of view.

These aint liberals, okay.

I think it's fair to say that WACjobs are both extreme left and extreme right. The polar opposites of the political spectrum tend to be attracted to those screwed up theories. Extreme left and extremem right are both essentially the same except done in different ways, but with the same objective.

[T.A.M.]

Of course, there are elements of all the political spectrum within the TM. Perhaps WAC has a right leaning, perhaps not. I can tell you from my reading, and interaction, the movement as a whole, seems to lean left...I think it is the demographic (high school and college boys/young men).

TAM:)

[leftysergeant]

I have yet to see any WAC site on which they urge people not to buy into Johnson's swill. They appear universally to admire her "courage." Wierd people. I wonder whether those trying to promote her on liberal sites are worried at all that those of us who think with the upper and forward parts of our brains find her offensive because she would be even more difficult to live with than Bush.

She is becoming a cult figure now, and could soon replace the Coulter critter in popularity. Really strange.

[T.A.M.]

she will likely suffer the same fate as McKinny and Ron Paul.

TAM:)

[Bosozoku]

I don't really consider the truthers to be members of either political wing. It seems like a lot of them were former anti-war liberals who went crazy, but then again a lot of them are your NAU-and-Amero espousing isolationists.

I think a larger part of the failure of their movement is their inability to to present a consistent and reasonable political viewpoint.

[~enigma~]

I think a larger part of the failure of their movement is their inability to to present a consistent and reasonable political viewpoint.
You mean the fact that they are full of feces doesn't come into the equation?

[CptColumbo]

Welcome to the forum Bosozuko.

I really haven't seen them present any political views other than a hatred of the Bush Administration. I think their problem, as with other activists groups, is that they believe any kind of exposure is good for the movement. That getting attention will somehow accomplish something, and make their arguement better. Instead they look like a bunch of punks, who have too much time on their hands and are not doing anything productive with it..

[Bosozoku]

You mean the fact that they are full of feces doesn't come into the equation?

Let me rephrase: I think their failure is 1% their Bizzaro World politics, and 99% the feces factor.

[~enigma~]

Let me rephrase: I think their failure is 1% their Bizzaro World politics, and 99% the feces factor.
I tend to agree for the most part but I think it is more of an Ivory soap type of split....you know 99.44% feces and .56 bizzaro stuff (which includes alot of feces).

[boloboffin]

They idolize her as they do any person who gives them what they crave: access to an audience. If Bill O'Reilly gave them a supportive platform, they would instantly begin to crow about the subtle spice mixtures in his falafel.

[CptColumbo]

I tend to agree for the most part but I think it is more of an Ivory soap type of split....you know 99.44% feces and .56 bizzaro stuff (which includes alot of feces).As Jeff Goldblum said in Jurassic Park:
"That is one big pile of [rule 10]."

[Brainster]

I think the WAC brigade is mostly libertarian/survivalist. They are extremely anti-corporate, which gives them some overlap with the Left. But they promote anybody who listens to their nonsense, right wing or left wing. Johnson is indeed far right; I consider her a paleoconservative.

The bulk of the over 30 Truther crowd is leftist.

[ktesibios]

I'd bet that a lot of people here are familiar with The Political Compass (http://www.politicalcompass.org/), which places peoples' worldviews on a coordinate plane, with one axis for economic opinions and the perpendicular axis for social attitudes. It's a neat concept, but if you bring devotees of conspiracism into the mix, it isn't quite adequate.

Based on the behavior we commonly see from troofers, I think the average PCTer would land near the upper end of the y-axis- there just isn't a better description for the black-T-shirts-and-bullhorns brigade than "authoritarian-follower personalities". They would probably be scattered all over the economic x-axis.

What's missing is a z-axis which would chart relationship with reality and run from "harmonious" to "painful divorce".

For some of the CTers out there, I'm not at all sure that a 3-space would be adequate.

[gtc]

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/27701_Rhodes-_Itsh_All_Sho_Creepy!

I started just doing Google searches to try and figure out. You know, arson, arson, it was like crazy trying to figure out why is that being downplayed? Why is that, you know, just a small part of the story? And you know, every time I look for it what comes up, believe it or not, is that Blackwater wants to move to San Diego and build this giant complex in San Diego right where most of the evacuations are taking place and you know. You just know wherever there is fire, this administration will be out there doing what it does best and that is fanning the flames, you know. It just spooks me, I can’t explain to you how creepy this whole thing is that you know, you’ve got these fires. Some of them are thought to be the work of arsonists and in the same breath you’ve got a community that’s on fire that just recently protested Blackwater West. Just recently said no to Blackwater and apparently you don’t do that. I mean, I don’t even know what to think. You know, nobody is saying Blackwater set the fires, that is nobody that doesn’t want their house burned down. Nobody is saying that, but it is all so bizarre that this is America and you have to sort of sit there and wonder … arson, same place Blackwater West wants to be, people protesting. And then you find out that some of the guys that used to work for Blackwater are now in Schwarzenegger’s administration. It’s all so creepy

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/17326_Playing_Politics_with_a_Major_Disaster

“This President is never gonna do the right thing. I think somewhere deep down inside him he takes a lot of joy about losing people, if he thinks they vote Democrat or if he thinks they’re poor, or if he thinks they’re in a blue state, whatever his reasons are not to rescue those people who are (planning?) for their safety.”

I am not surprised that the truthers (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3094950#3094957) think that Randi Rhodes is one of them (http://www.911blogger.com/2006/02/randi-rhodes-of-air-america-expresses.html).

[leftysergeant]

I am not surprised that the truthers (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3094950#3094957) think that Randi Rhodes is one of them (http://www.911blogger.com/2006/02/randi-rhodes-of-air-america-expresses.html).

See remarks above in re the WACers' relationship with reality. Theirs was a nasty, constant-pain-in-the-butt-annoyance-to-the-police-domestic-violence-unit divorce.

And now it comes out that they have been whoring around with Randi's worste enemies. Oy!

[rwguinn]

I know that the Western Athletic Conference is not the PAC-10, or the Big 12, but why the hate toward a Mid-Major conference struggling for an identity? It was that Boise State--Oklahoma thing, wasn't it?
Is this a case of the rich get richer on the backs of the poor?:confused:

[Hokulele]

I know that the Western Athletic Conference is not the PAC-10, or the Big 12, but why the hate toward a Mid-Major conference struggling for an identity? It was that Boise State--Oklahoma thing, wasn't it?
Is this a case of the rich get richer on the backs of the poor?:confused:


I resemble this remark. :p

[jberryhill]

all manner of hienous crimes

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/31/Tlk-hyenas.png/250px-Tlk-hyenas.png