An Interesting Conversation With a Complete Idiot About My Video

[Clairvoyant_Kyle]

It has been over 3 months since I posted my Anti-Sylvia Browne video. I am sure most of you have seen it but here is a link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMSimCGabHA

Now mostly I have gotten great reviews but in the last day I think I have been dealing with a real “nutter.” I am censoring it for you people because he was being a real jerk, and in turn so was I. Plus it is youtube so I tend to run my mouth right back any way I please. So sorry about what I censor.

Here is how it went down:

Paulv007:
You are such an idiot! If you really hate Sylvia Browne and your convinced that she's a fraud, why would you waste your time on her? You must be some kind of loser to put that much energy in something you don't believe in. It doesn't make sense why you would waste your time caring what other people believe in, you are the type of person who hates everything your not because your such a pathetic and sad person.

Me:
WOW...sounds like you know me better than I do. But wait...why would you waste your time on writing about me making a video that you hate so much? Seems like you too are a sad pathetic looser who waste his time on things you hate. You're fu_____ hypocritical idiot. Now how much sence does that make to you b___?

Paulv007:
I never said I hated your video I said your an idiot for wasting energy on something YOU hate. It's not a waste of time for me because I'm defending something I believe in. Do you really think your negative opinion matters to anyone that isn't as pathetic as you? its amazing how close minded and self centered someone like you can be. You are the prime example that people in the world are always looking for someone to hate, the truth is you hate yourself, and I can understand why you do!

Me:
You don't know s___ about me. But the truth is your frauds you believe in are a bunch of heartless coning bast___. Now if I am lying or wrong then prove it to me by having any "psychic" take the million-dollar challenge. If they can pass a double blind test I will gladly admit they are the real deal. BTW...I am not closed minded, I am a "prove it" type of person. You can find an application for the million-dollar test at randi(dot)org. Once the results are in we will see who the idiot is b___.

Paulv007:
LOL! It doesn't matter to me what you think, I bet you it doesn't matter to Sylvia Browne what you think of her either. People just like you think that your opinion matters that you have a right to pass judgment on other people and their beliefs because they don't match your own. Sylvia Browne would never take that challenge because if she did it would mean that she thought for a minute that you were worth her justification.

Instead of trying to prove a point about asking why she won't, ask your self why she should. You should ask yourself what makes you so worthily that Sylvia Browne should want/need your approval. It's very easy and cowardly of you to judge someone you don't know, in everyday life we are all judged by people just like you. Does that mean that we should constantly question our own validity?

No it does not it means that you ignore the negativity and the weak people that try so desperately to bring your spirit down in order to feel better about themselves.

You video wasn't pathetic because you have an opinion; it's pathetic because you actually think that Sylvia Browne has an obligation to answer to you. This world would be a better place if people like you would just walk away, agree that everyone has a right to live their life the way they chose to. As long as other people's choices are affecting your life or hurting you, why does it matter to you what other people believe in?

Me:
My video was made to educate people who want to learn. Is a science book stupid and pathetic because some people hate or disagree with science? No it's for the people who want to know about the subject. I careless what people think that dont want to learn. And do some research you *********** idiot. Browne took Randi's test on live TV in 1989 & she completely failed it. Sense then she declines to take it a second time. She just claims she will on Larry King and then backs down each time its offered.

"People just like you think that your opinion matters that you have a right to pass judgment on other people and their beliefs because they don't match your own."

If your so against this kind of judgment what the **** are you doing arguing with me just because my beliefs don't match yours? You are such a hypocrite and can't even see it.

Oh and I do have the right to have an opinion that passes judgment on other people's beliefs, because I live in the United States. First amendment b____!

-Fin (for now)

Now I am sure Robert Lancaster gets way worse than this but its all new to me so I thought I would share and see if anyone wanted to chime in either on here or my youtube comments.

-Kyle

[Locknar]

Paulv007's reponse is typical of the woo wooer's; pulling the "agree that everyone has a right to live their life the way they chose to" routine.

Of course, your video had nothing to do with attacking anyone's rights, and everything to SB being a fraud.

[Clairvoyant_Kyle]

That’s very good Locknar. I would say that is a direct hit on what he is doing. Thanks for the ammo. Not that when I say something like that to him it will penetrate his bubble at all. But that is also typical.

[Macoy]

As long as other people's choices are affecting your life or hurting you, why does it matter to you what other people believe in?

I don't think this remark makes much sense unless the person meant 'aren't' instead of 'are'. Either way, it reveals the person as an idiot, because obviously Browne does cause harm.

Who can guess Paulv007's motives? Crazed believer? Bored teenager? Drunken crony? Just drunk and argumentative?

The only thing you can be sure of is that there's very little logical argument and a lot of bile in their words.

Try to invite them here...

[Clairvoyant_Kyle]

Will do...his youtube profile says he is like 32. I'll see if he will come here to debate...but I am sure he will just call me an idiot for asking him to. :P

[Locknar]

That’s very good Locknar. I would say that is a direct hit on what he is doing. Thanks for the ammo. Not that when I say something like that to him it will penetrate his bubble at all. But that is also typical.It won't make a dent in Paulv007s opinion...but it is accurate none the less. Woo wooer's are pretty predictiable...from "why can't we all just get along", "science can't explain everything", to "we are channeling our psychic energy for the coming war.

Never will they actually engage in meaningful discussion...such as providing proof of SB's "powers" (for example); its just all hand waving.

[ExMinister]

"As long as other's people's choices aren't hurting or affecting you, what does it matter?" I am so tired of hearing that! If other people's choices are hurting other people, do we all just stand by and say live and let live? What is with these so-called spiritual people who think that people's right to believe what they please has anything to do with a right to con people or otherwise harm them? People can believe whatever they want, but if their beliefs become harmful, I'm going to stand up and say something about it.

He says it isn't a waste of time for him because he's defending something he believes in?? Well, so are you: You are defending the people who are being taken advantage of by Browne by giving them a chance to hear a different side of the story. Obviously, if you didn't believe it would be helpful, you wouldn't have bothered.

And why do they like to accuse people who come forward of being hateful? Hate has little to nothing do with it, though it is hateful to take advantage of people who are grieving or otherwise in need of life guidance; in fact, it is much more hateful to have information that can help someone and NOT say anything. We hate cruel and wrong behavior, and some of us feel motivated to do something about it. If we were hateful or self-hating people, we'd be content to sit at home bad-mouthing the TV and we'd have no desire whatsoever to contribute to the well-being of other people. This from an ex-minister of the subject of your video.

Rant over.

Nice video, by the way.

[Clairvoyant_Kyle]

Thank you Ex, I am glad you liked my video. I guess you’re an idiot like me. :P See people like us agree that lying to people for profit is harmful. Guy like him think that psychics are real. So to say they are not real is harmful to people who need their help. I can bend my logic enough to see what angle he is coming from. But truth of the matter is SB is not real, and will not allow testing to prove one way or the other. It’s much easier for people like him to just see and believe than do any real research. Plus talk to the dead ”psychics” seem to be structured so they help reinforce a lot of other supernatural beliefs. So to knock the belief in psychics shakes a lot of people core beliefs. This is very unacceptable to closed-minded people.

Oh and Ex glad to see you on our team. Not too many people can come from the side of blind faith to opened eye skeptic.

[prewitt81]

I'd try to resist the temptation to stoop to their level. (Who knows how long that would last, though. ;) ) You may not win this person over, but if you don't return the vitriol and insults, you may well convince the next believer who reads the exchange. Point him to StopSylviaBrowne. Invite him as an exercise just to read the articles and make up his own mind. What could that hurt?

[ExMinister]

I second what Prewitt81 said too. It isn't easy but if we can remain objective and present what we know calmly and factually and challenge people kindly to investigate further for themselves, that approach seems to be surprisingly effective.

It is aggravating though. Believe me, I know.

[Clairvoyant_Kyle]

OK he emailed me on my youtube account claiming I blocked him but I have no clue what he was talking about. But no I have directed him here but I just hope these yahoo goes away. Here it is:

Paulv007:
How come you blocked my comments?? Well heres the last comment I wanted to send you.

I see you’re well educated it takes a big man to cuss to make his point. I’m not passing judgment on you; I’m questioning your mentality, you think because you live in the US it gives you the right to judge other people? You know that's not true, you’re a coward thats just your excuse because you wont admit that you're a weak & desperate person so you try to expose others as frauds when clearly you are a fraud hiding behind a mask. I’ll send you good thoughts and wish good things come your way.


Me:
I didn't block anything. I only do that to spam. I let crazy people post their dumb ass comments. You are obviously an idiot when it comes to what rights I have in this country, what drives my actions, and how I feel about myself. You are wrong on ALL those comments you keep making. And what about this video makes me week and a coward anyways? It looks to me that you are grasping at straws to stand up for what you believe in. I think you feel if you discredited the creator of a video in a personal way, it makes your beliefs more creditable. Well your wrong about me and wrong if that’s your view on how to discredit me. You need to try to show me contradicting evidence. You have not once tried to prove to me in away way that Browne is the real deal. You have only called me names and told me how sad my life must be to not believe what you do. That is why I “cuss” at you. Why don’t we have an evidence debate instead of a name-calling contest? I am sure you don’t. I am sure you just want to act like your SOOO smart, and talk about how sad my childhood must have been or something dumb like that.

Again, I made that video to inform people who want to know about how Sylvia Browne operates. She is a con artist and a heartless liar. You can jump on her side all you want but the truth is she is driven by greed. Here I have been posting our conversations and these people would love to listen to your moronic views on the world.


http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=116240

They are looking forward to debating you. Oh, and bring some evidence with this time. They too don’t fall for that “You coward all live sad life’s” BS.

-Kyle

[moon1969]

"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe."
- Carl Sagan -

"A little child learns that if he wishes for something hard enough, it will come true."
-Anton Szandor LaVey-

[Clairvoyant_Kyle]

That “Carl Sagan” is one of the coolest quotes I have ever seen. It works in this conversation better than anything I could ever say to this guy.

[Clairvoyant_Kyle]

Seems to me he does not listen to a word I say. Or at the least his brain doesn’t work on a very high level of reason. Well hopeful this is the last I post this BS. Unless he says something good I will spare you guys my developing pain in my ass.

Pualv007:
WOW! That was too much information. I never attacked you or said a word about your childhood, touchy subject for you I'm sure. Go back and read what I post, don't read between the lines, read word for word then you'll understand how wrong you are to accuse me of attacking you or trying to belittle you, that’s not my style. My main point was there are too many people in this world that feel it's there God given right, or in your case your USA given right to pass judgment on other people. I've never judged you because I don't know you, I'm not even saying that you’re wrong for posting a video about someone YOU really don't know, I just simply asked you why you thought you were so worthily of anyone's justification. Do you really think that people are living their lives for your approval? It amazes me how many people think that anything different from their own beliefs is wrong and worthily of criticism. Let's be honest you pulled about 4 or 5 examples of Sylvia Browne being wrong, if you knew anything about her she is the first one who says she is not 100% correct, her entire motto is take what you want and leave the rest behind. She doesn't force anyone to listen, accept, or embrace anything she says, she leaves that up to the person to make those decisions for themselves. I understand that someone is always going to have something negative to say about everything, that's the way the world is. If you want to be fair why don't you post several of the thousand times that she has been right, show the examples of when she has helped people, tell the reader how she personally lied and cheated you. How come you never once said how she wronged you? Where’s your personal experience with Sylvia Browne, your condemning her accusing her of being a filthy liar who is out to con people who are weak and desperate, those are some strong accusations. There must be some personal history between you and Sylvia Browne for you to have this knowledge, surly your not commenting solely on what you saw on TV because that would make you an even bigger idiot, closed minded and sad.


Me:
I still haven’t had you show me any evidence that she is the real deal. I do have the right to judge people. Judgment is simply what I think, so to have an opinion is to judge. Now I can’t judge people to extent of killing them or taking things from them. But I can judge by saying what I think of them. That’s what you been doing to me with every email/post. Plus Browne is a celebrity and that opens her up legally for public debate.

“Sylvia Browne, you’re condemning her accusing her of being a filthy liar who is out to con people who are weak and desperate”

That is exactly what I am doing, because that is the case. Now you may say what’s the harm in people believing her? Well there was plenty I had to leave out of that video including medical advice that was extremely dangerous. I have seen doctors come out say her advice could kill if followed.

Now I just made an informative video that had to stay under 10 min. If you want to see a real good and fair look at her you “readings” go to www.stopsylviabrowne.com this man does not leave out things she was correct about. And still she is wrong most of the time.

-Kyle

[godless dave]

I know there's no pressing motivation to spell things correctly in Youtube comments, but since you posted it here:

since

sense

[Clairvoyant_Kyle]

Yes, i do that way to often.

[Locknar]

You could always do a new video, responding to the "what’s the harm" argument from Pualv007

[Hawthorne]

I am so dang sick of that "Sylvia is the first to say she isn't 100% correct" nonsense - it makes me want to punch something. And the never-far-behind "she says to take what you want and leave the rest behind" - It just reeks of desperation. It always sounds like a recitation, like a call and response type of thing, the more vehement they are the higher in the pecking order they get to be. The blatant hypocrisy of these blind followers is astonishing.
:mad:
Toss her into the bog of eternal stench!

[Locknar]

I am so dang sick of that "Sylvia is the first to say she isn't 100% correct" nonsense <snip>
What makes that claim of her really funny is that she is implying that God is wrong about 15% of the time. After all, she gets her psychic insight from her Spirit Guide…who gets it from God.

You’d think if God had something to say, he’d make sure the message got through? Naw… I guess this means, for example, that 15% of the 10 Commandments is wrong? Maybe it was "Thou shalt covet your neighbors wife"?

Then again, this is the same woman that also claims that talking to the dead is as easy as making a long distance phone call (RSL I think mentioned this at one point, something she said in a interview having to do with Agatha Christie as I recall).

That easy…yet she’s wrong 15% of the time…yikes! Time for her to switch long distance carriers I’d say.

ETA: The 15% failure rate mentioned above is derived from SB's claimed sucess rate of ~85%, NOT actual performance or statistical analysis (which, as RSL has shown, is FAR FAR FAR below 85%).

[Clairvoyant_Kyle]

yet she’s wrong 15% of the time

Seriously? She is only wrong 15% of the time? I have seen much, much higher than that in the Shawn Hornbeck case. Or is that "15% of the time" something she claims? Because if she in reality is only wrong 15% of the time, she is one of the best guessers I ever seen. Or maybe, just maybe she is the real deal? LOL yah right!

[Clairvoyant_Kyle]

You could always do a new video, responding to the "what’s the harm" argument from Pualv007

I think that is a great idea. The last video was like 70 plus of work, and luckily for me when I set off to make it I checked out www.stopsylviabrown.com. I was happy to see it had tons of material that had already been researched. Who knows how many hours that saved me. That site was the main reason the video was packed with just facts.

Now I would be interested in making a video again. I could either focus on SB again or even span it out to hit all harmfulness from psychics. But I would like to ask for help when it comes to ideas/facts of where “psychics” have caused harm, or gave harmful advice.

So if I was to make a new video is there anyone who would like to help on the researching end?

-Kyle

[Locknar]

Seriously? She is only wrong 15% of the time? I have seen much, much higher than that in the Shawn Hornbeck case. Or is that "15% of the time" something she claims? Because if she in reality is only wrong 15% of the time, she is one of the best guessers I ever seen. Or maybe, just maybe she is the real deal? LOL yah right!Sorry, I should have been clearer; SB claims a ~85% "sucess" rate...which equates to the ~15% failure rate I mentioned.

[Clairvoyant_Kyle]

Good I was hoping it was that. Because I am sure you all would be impressed if a claimed “psychic” got hits 85% of the time. It is the fact that they don’t is why I do not believe. Hell, I might even be impressed if in a controlled environment they got hits 15% of the time. And still that is far from undeniable “psychic” powers.

[Clairvoyant_Kyle]

BTW Locknar I just went to and read Simpson v. Randi. I don’t’ come here enough anymore that’s the first I have herd of that. I can’t believe you people are defendants for posting your opinions. I guess him and his lawyers don’t think the first amendment applies to you guys too. What a joke. Just another big fat stupid waste of public money and time.

-Kyle

[Ron_Tomkins]

It has been over 3 months since I posted my Anti-Sylvia Browne video. I am sure most of you have seen it but here is a link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMSimCGabHA

Now mostly I have gotten great reviews but in the last day I think I have been dealing with a real “nutter.” I am censoring it for you people because he was being a real jerk, and in turn so was I. Plus it is youtube so I tend to run my mouth right back any way I please. So sorry about what I censor.

Here is how it went down:

Paulv007:
You are such an idiot! If you really hate Sylvia Browne and your convinced that she's a fraud, why would you waste your time on her? You must be some kind of loser to put that much energy in something you don't believe in. It doesn't make sense why you would waste your time caring what other people believe in, you are the type of person who hates everything your not because your such a pathetic and sad person.

Me:
WOW...sounds like you know me better than I do. But wait...why would you waste your time on writing about me making a video that you hate so much? Seems like you too are a sad pathetic looser who waste his time on things you hate. You're fu_____ hypocritical idiot. Now how much sence does that make to you b___?

Paulv007:
I never said I hated your video I said your an idiot for wasting energy on something YOU hate. It's not a waste of time for me because I'm defending something I believe in. Do you really think your negative opinion matters to anyone that isn't as pathetic as you? its amazing how close minded and self centered someone like you can be. You are the prime example that people in the world are always looking for someone to hate, the truth is you hate yourself, and I can understand why you do!

Me:
You don't know s___ about me. But the truth is your frauds you believe in are a bunch of heartless coning bast___. Now if I am lying or wrong then prove it to me by having any "psychic" take the million-dollar challenge. If they can pass a double blind test I will gladly admit they are the real deal. BTW...I am not closed minded, I am a "prove it" type of person. You can find an application for the million-dollar test at randi(dot)org. Once the results are in we will see who the idiot is b___.

Paulv007:
LOL! It doesn't matter to me what you think, I bet you it doesn't matter to Sylvia Browne what you think of her either. People just like you think that your opinion matters that you have a right to pass judgment on other people and their beliefs because they don't match your own. Sylvia Browne would never take that challenge because if she did it would mean that she thought for a minute that you were worth her justification.

Instead of trying to prove a point about asking why she won't, ask your self why she should. You should ask yourself what makes you so worthily that Sylvia Browne should want/need your approval. It's very easy and cowardly of you to judge someone you don't know, in everyday life we are all judged by people just like you. Does that mean that we should constantly question our own validity?

No it does not it means that you ignore the negativity and the weak people that try so desperately to bring your spirit down in order to feel better about themselves.

You video wasn't pathetic because you have an opinion; it's pathetic because you actually think that Sylvia Browne has an obligation to answer to you. This world would be a better place if people like you would just walk away, agree that everyone has a right to live their life the way they chose to. As long as other people's choices are affecting your life or hurting you, why does it matter to you what other people believe in?

Me:
My video was made to educate people who want to learn. Is a science book stupid and pathetic because some people hate or disagree with science? No it's for the people who want to know about the subject. I careless what people think that dont want to learn. And do some research you *********** idiot. Browne took Randi's test on live TV in 1989 & she completely failed it. Sense then she declines to take it a second time. She just claims she will on Larry King and then backs down each time its offered.

"People just like you think that your opinion matters that you have a right to pass judgment on other people and their beliefs because they don't match your own."

If your so against this kind of judgment what the **** are you doing arguing with me just because my beliefs don't match yours? You are such a hypocrite and can't even see it.

Oh and I do have the right to have an opinion that passes judgment on other people's beliefs, because I live in the United States. First amendment b____!

-Fin (for now)

Now I am sure Robert Lancaster gets way worse than this but its all new to me so I thought I would share and see if anyone wanted to chime in either on here or my youtube comments.

-Kyle

In my personal opinion, a conversation with a complete idiot is never interesting and at times it can even become unhealthy. My suggestion is do not feed the trolls and bigots of this world. My motto has been from a recent time: "I don't feed trolls. I like to watch them starve to death".

Cheers.

[Locknar]

BTW Locknar I just went to and read Simpson v. Randi. I don’t’ come here enough anymore that’s the first I have herd of that. I can’t believe you people are defendants for posting your opinions. I guess him and his lawyers don’t think the first amendment applies to you guys too. What a joke. Just another big fat stupid waste of public money and time.

-KyleI do seem to recall something about that *lol* Just to be clear, George was acting as his own council...."rut rut rut."

[Clairvoyant_Kyle]

Good call. I have found myself dragged into pointless conversations/arguments over the videos I have made on youtube. Although sometimes the conversations can be funny, most of the time it’s like trying to convince someone that their baby is ugly. They just can’t see what you are saying to them. Maybe I’ll just start coming here more often to post and quit wasting my time on my video blogs.

[Clairvoyant_Kyle]

I didn’t read it all. So is it over? If so how much did you have to pay the guy? :)

[Monza]

Paulv007:
...Sylvia Browne would never take that challenge [MDC] because if she did it would mean that she thought for a minute that you were worth her justification.

Instead of trying to prove a point about asking why she won't, ask your self why she should...

For what it's worth, Sylivia Browne did argree to take the JREF Million Dollar Challenge. And on live national TV to boot! Unfortunately, despite her psychic powers (and the phone book, Google, and Larry King) she could not figure out how to contact James Randi. So the test has yet to take place.

As to why she should take the challenge, I would think the million bucks is good motivation. We know that Sylvia is not adverse to using her psychic powers to enhance her income. Even if she doesn't want the money herself, imagine what $1,000,000 could do for her favorite charity.

Of course, if Sylvia Browne doesn't have psychic powers and is frauding her believers then I guess that could explain her reluctance to subject herself to a controlled test.

[Clairvoyant_Kyle]

Yes, I tried to reason with that doorknob too, but he refuses to listen to any arguments. Instead his rebuttal to anything I said was always you’re a coward, you're an idiot, you're pathetic, you wont admit you are a weak & desperate person, etc… There is no way to get the guy into a true debate, because it just easier for him to call any non-believers names instead of doing a bit of research to defend his beliefs.

[JoeTheJuggler]

Yes, i do that way to often.

Also to and too,

looser and loser,

your and you're,

could care less and careless, and others.

[Clairvoyant_Kyle]

Yes, I know…or is it now? LOL I’m not making any excuses here, but only sharing the reason I write like a moron. When I was a kid I was extremely hyperactive, so in turn my school and parents put me into special education classes in the first grade. Not sure if sp. ed. has improved much these days, but in the early 80’s in Muskegon Michigan this would mean:

First graders learn early education English
Second graders learn early education English with a bit of first grade
Third graders learn first grade English
Fourth graders learn first grade English
Fifth graders learn first grade with a dash of second grade English

After that I was taken out of special ed. with the exception of English class. 6-12 grade English was more based on book reports or reading out loud in class. It was not focused around spelling, word structures, or punctuation. My ability to spell and use correct punctuation has suffered my whole life. In college it was the biggest reason I lost points on my papers. I am trying my best to work on it still to this day, but I do feel I missed a lot of the basic in my early days that still cause my problems today.

Sorry if my poor English skills get on anyone’s nerves, but trust me I do read any post I make at least 3-4 times before I post it.

-Kyle

P.S. If I am not smart enough to post here let me know. :)

[Sherlock]

A classic video. Your comments would echo much of what I would like to say about a select group of psychics. But perhaps you will expand your brief video list of psychic names to include a broader group. There are certainly other suitable candidates available.