Caucasians: teh real ultimate threat to humanity

[Oliver]

I'm getting a little bit sick and tired of the Jihadi-Claims over in the US.

So since this is a supposed Skeptic-Forum, let's get some facts straight:

My claim is that my fellow Caucasians are the biggest threat to humanity for following reasons:

1. Throughout History they conquered every possible Land they got their Hands on - pretty much giving a **** about their previous owners.

2. Caucasians are the ones who lead concerning polluting the world in all possible means, no matter if poisons, CO², deforestation, etc.

3. Caucasians are also historically famous for starting Wars, including those for "teh one and only God", killing "Terrorstate"-Citizens, starving innocents to death due to Embargo's - while claiming they are the Top of the moral World.

4. Because of the latter aspect, Caucasians also used every opportunity to portray themselves and their equally stupid religion as the better one/-s.

5. Plus I should mention that Caucasians have a huge reputation when it comes to other non-Caucasian interests: Those things are unimportant by default - according to the successful slogan: "We rule the world - and who the **** are you?".

Feel free to add some ugly facts about "teh white race"...

[kedo1981]

Don't forget whitey is so evil he was able to weaponize small pox, centuries before anyone knew what caused it, how evil is that, purdy evil I'll tell you what.

[plumjam]

I broadly agree. Any fair look at history shows that us whites are the bad guys, by quite a margin.
I'm not sure who'd get 2nd place. Maybe them pesky Japs.

[Undesired Walrus]

Your 'teh' (deliberate) spelling mistake is intensely annoying, frustrating, and not in the least bit clever Oliver.

What makes you think the term 'Caucasian' has any real meaning?

[Naughtyhippo]

It's teh white MEN!!!!!






























:boxedin:

[epeos76]

Guns, Germs & Steel (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel)

The atrocities you cite above are wide-spread across human cultures. That includes intensive economic activity damaging to the environment. Chance gave Europeans the opportunity to act out these behaviors on a global scale earlier (by a slim margin) than anyone else.

Peharps incorrectly, I assume that you generally find fault with racist ideas. Is that just because you think they have been misapplied to the "races" that are typically on the receiving end, or is there some more fundemental problem with this type of reasoning? I don't really see the value in replacing one type of unthinking, self-serving bigotry with another, myself.

[plumjam]

What makes you think the term 'Caucasian' has any real meaning?

:rolleyes:
To enlighten yourself as to the real meaning please compare and contrast your avatar with mine.

[Undesired Walrus]

Plumjam,

It's a meaningless phrase in the context of this thread. If Oliver wants to argue the case that people who define themselves as white people operating under the banner of white supremacy have caused the most devastation to the human race, he may have an argument. His current OP does not have one because he is using a hopelessly ambigious phrase.

When you use a phrase such as "Us whites". Are you joking or are you serious?

[plumjam]

Plumjam,

It's a meaningless phrase in the context of this thread. If Oliver wants to argue the case that people who define themselves as white people operating under the banner of white supremacy have caused the most devastation to the human race, he may have an argument. His current OP does not have one because he is using a hopelessly ambigious phrase.

The term caucasian (white) is an entirely meaningful one. If you were mugged by two white men would you subsequently refuse to describe the muggers to police as white or caucasian men, on the grounds of the phrase being "meaningless" or "hopelessly ambiguous"?

Nor is it a case of "defining oneself as white". I AM white. That's just a fact. If I were to choose to define myself as chinese or black, that would be self-delusion, and friends and family would start to worry.

When you use a phrase such as "Us whites". Are you joking or are you serious?
Serious. The people doing most of the empire-building, invading, and genocide, over the years = us whites.

[Undesired Walrus]

The term caucasian (white) is an entirely meaningful one. If you were mugged by two white men would you subsequently refuse to describe the muggers to police as white or caucasian men, on the grounds of the phrase being "meaningless" or "hopelessly ambiguous"?

I'd suggest 'Light-skinned' may cover easier ground. Caucasian is a term with absolutely no respect in any anthropological circles.

Nor is it a case of "defining oneself as white". I AM white. That's just a fact.

I'm pale-skinned. I would never term myself 'white'.

If I were to choose to define myself as chinese or black, that would be self-delusion, and friends and family would start to worry.

Do black albino's delude themselves by calling themselves 'black'?

Serious. The people doing most of the empire-building, invading, and genocide, over the years = us whites.

Yes, people who come from Europe have caused an irreparable damage to the world. Their delusions that 'white' or 'race' had a true meaning led to the most horrific slave trade the world has ever known.

[Morrigan]

Semantics aside, this is just the same old tired, racist, white guilt bollocks. Isn't China a leader in pollution at the moment? And do you really think that whenever non-whites get into positions of power, that they won't be responsible for more of these "ugly facts"? Get real.

[Undesired Walrus]

More to the point, what makes you so sure you are 'White'? Have you done a family tree recently?

[aggle-rithm]

I'm getting a little bit sick and tired of the Jihadi-Claims over in the US.

So since this is a supposed Skeptic-Forum, let's get some facts straight:

My claim is that my fellow Caucasians are the biggest threat to humanity for following reasons:

1. Throughout History they conquered every possible Land they got their Hands on - pretty much giving a **** about their previous owners.

2. Caucasians are the ones who lead concerning polluting the world in all possible means, no matter if poisons, CO², deforestation, etc.

3. Caucasians are also historically famous for starting Wars, including those for "teh one and only God", killing "Terrorstate"-Citizens, starving innocents to death due to Embargo's - while claiming they are the Top of the moral World.

4. Because of the latter aspect, Caucasians also used every opportunity to portray themselves and their equally stupid religion as the better one/-s.

5. Plus I should mention that Caucasians have a huge reputation when it comes to other non-Caucasian interests: Those things are unimportant by default - according to the successful slogan: "We rule the world - and who the **** are you?".

Feel free to add some ugly facts about "teh white race"...

You should read "Guns, Germs and Steel". It lays out how the dominance of the white people over everyone they encountered was mainly an accident of geography. This advantage has largely been neutralized in the modern world, but there is still a lot of momentum.

(The only place they couldn't conquer was Africa. Fortunately, they found many leaders there willing to provide them with slaves so they were able to destroy that continent without having to go there themselves.)

[Morrigan]

^ Exactly. The current "dominant" peoples just happen to be (mostly) white. It has nothing to do with race.

[Oliver]

Your 'teh' (deliberate) spelling mistake is intensely annoying, frustrating, and not in the least bit clever Oliver.

What makes you think the term 'Caucasian' has any real meaning?


The Term "Caucasian" connects the American/Canadian/Australian People with it's European roots - even if those Countries try to point out that they are different to those Roots - which basically isn't true. We Caucasians are still doing what we did throughout history:

"Overwhelmingly give a **** about Non-Caucasians"...

... That's a sad - but obvious fact ...

So I'm sorry to point out that in contrast to African and Islamic tribes, we are the Evildoers. It doesn't matter that we still try to claim otherwise to ourselves. The non-Caucasians know better - so do I (Being a "non-self-praising", true neutral Skeptic).

[egslim]

Yes, people who come from Europe have caused an irreparable damage to the world. Their delusions that 'white' or 'race' had a true meaning led to the most horrific slave trade the world has ever known.
Bolding mine. Doubtful:
Some historians estimate that between 11 and 18 million black African slaves crossed the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Sahara Desert from 650 AD to 1900 AD, or more than the 9.4 to 14 million Africans brought to the Americas in the Atlantic slave trade.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

And it were westerners who not only ended their own slavery practices, but also the Arab slave trade.

Racism is as old as the distinction between human races, and slavery came into existence when people began to form large organized societies based around agriculture. The fact that racism is now considered a vice in western civilization is actually a fairly unique development. Take for example Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_Japan): Some apartments, motels, night clubs, and public baths in Japan have put up signs stating that foreigners are not allowed, or that they must be accompanied by a Japanese person to enter (these places however are rare)
Such places are entirely illegal in any EU country.

There is no, nor was there ever, a difference in morality between human races. The only difference is that some, by accident predominately white societies, were more capable - read Guns, Germs and Steel. Because the rest of the world is catching up fast in capability, none-white races also catch up in immoral acts. Like China's polution.
On the other hand, Europeans began opposing the slave trade when the industrial revolution was in the proces of reducing the need for mindless human labour. Personally I believe the end of slavery had more to do with changing economic realities than with any kind of superior morality.

[Sefarst]

My claim is that my fellow Caucasians are the biggest threat to humanity for following reasons:

1. Throughout History they conquered every possible Land they got their Hands on - pretty much giving a **** about their previous owners.
This is the case of every race in history. From the Romans, the Persians, the Greeks, the Mongols, the Ottomans, etc. In the last couple hundred years, "whites" have just been better at it.

2. Caucasians are the ones who lead concerning polluting the world in all possible means, no matter if poisons, CO², deforestation, etc.
China anyone?

3. Caucasians are also historically famous for starting Wars, including those for "teh one and only God", killing "Terrorstate"-Citizens, starving innocents to death due to Embargo's - while claiming they are the Top of the moral World.

Again, this is true of every race.

4. Because of the latter aspect, Caucasians also used every opportunity to portray themselves and their equally stupid religion as the better one/-s.

Which religion? And can you name me a religion that doesn't think it's the best religion? Why would you be a part of a religion if you didn't think it was the best?

5. Plus I should mention that Caucasians have a huge reputation when it comes to other non-Caucasian interests: Those things are unimportant by default - according to the successful slogan: "We rule the world - and who the **** are you?".

This is just an idiotic statement.

Feel free to add some ugly facts about "teh white race"...
No thanks. You need to go take a history class.

[Oliver]

Doublepost...

[TX50]

The term caucasian (white) is an entirely meaningful one. If you were mugged by two white men would you subsequently refuse to describe the muggers to police as white or caucasian men, on the grounds of the phrase being "meaningless" or "hopelessly ambiguous"?


The police in the UK recognise "white", not "Caucasian" (which presumably
means someone from the Caucasus).

To the UK police your muggers would be IC1 males (Identity Code 1 = white
European). Once they arrested one for mugging you then on the paperwork
he'd have to self describe himself as W1 (W1 = white British - non-Irish).

eta: Perhaps it'd be better to say If they arrested one for mugging you...

[Moochie]

Yeah, I've taken out an AVO against myself.

M.

[plumjam]

I'd suggest 'Light-skinned' may cover easier ground. Caucasian is a term with absolutely no respect in any anthropological circles.
So which terms are the currently politically correct ones in those anthropological circles?
A BS scythe may be helpful here. We all know what 'white' and 'caucasian' refer to. You're just on the nitpick; for whatever reason I have no idea.


I'm pale-skinned. I would never term myself 'white'.
Fair enough. Pun intended.



Do black albino's delude themselves by calling themselves 'black'?
I'd say no. My skin colour is white, I am also racially (genetically) white. A black albino's skin is white, but he is racially (genetically) black. If he has kids with a black mother those kids will almost certainly be black.



Yes, people who come from Europe have caused an irreparable damage to the world. Their delusions that 'white' or 'race' had a true meaning led to the most horrific slave trade the world has ever known.
Essentially you're agreeing with Oliver. So why nitpick him about his use of terms?

[Safe-Keeper]

The current "dominant" peoples just happen to be (mostly) white. It has nothing to do with race. Exactly. Read up on how close Genghis Kahn came to conquering all of Europe, wiping out most of our culture. Study just how powerful the Chinese once were and how many inventions of theirs that predated their European counterparts. Had these people "played their cards differently", they might very well be the ones to "dominate" the world today.

5. Plus I should mention that Caucasians have a huge reputation when it comes to other non-Caucasian interests: Those things are unimportant by default - according to the successful slogan: "We rule the world - and who the **** are you?". Weeeell... Europeans, even though we quite clearly have collectively messed things up, also have a tradition of giving aid to other nations and trying to help out. Wolfmann posted an interesting thread earlier about how Chinese traditionally are just as interested in volunteering and charity as are Europeans, but focus on helping their own communities before tending to people they don't even know.

[...] while claiming they are the Top of the moral World. Most humans believe their own views to be the best.

[egslim]

We Caucasians are still doing what we did throughout history:

"Overwhelmingly give a **** about Non-Caucasians"...
Disregarding the large number of western-based worldwide charities.

How much do non-caucasians actually care about caucasians and other non-caucasians? In the real world most societies care primarily about themselves, and only when they are fairly well-off do they begin to care more about other, poorer societies.

Caucasians have distinguished themselves in this regard through capability, not morality. And that distinction was basically a geographical accident, without any basis in race.

[Oliver]

Essentially you're agreeing with Oliver. So why nitpick him about his use of terms?


That's actually correct. Unfortunately, America is the most prominent hostoric example of importing european Idology by killing native Americans and importing Slavery - even if they still try to sweep it under the carpet.

Personally I would prefer to apologize to natives and victims of those historical circumstances - because just going to support a black President, attack a black Priest or to ridicule native interests doesn't repair the damage in any way.

Does it?

[Undesired Walrus]

The Term "Caucasian" connects the American/Canadian/Australian People with it's European roots - even if those Countries try to point out that they are different to those Roots - which basically isn't true. We Caucasians are still doing what we did throughout history:

'We' Caucasians? As I asked Plumjam, why are you so certain you are white? Have you done a comprehensive family tree?

[Gurdur]

OK. Hands up all the countries Lichtenstein, Estonia, Wales, etc. etc. etc. have invaded.

Bad honkies! Bad!
__________

Sheeesh, Oliver, your OP is ridiculous. As ever.

[Pardalis]

That's actually correct. Unfortunately, America is the most prominent hostoric example of importing european Idology by killing native Americans and importing Slavery - even if they still try to sweep it under the carpet.

Personally I would prefer to apologize to natives and victims of those historical circumstances - because just going to support a black President, attack a black Priest or to ridicule native interests doesn't repair the damage in any way.

Does it?

All that from a freaking German. :rolleyes:

[plumjam]

The police in the UK recognise "white", not "Caucasian" (which presumably
means someone from the Caucasus).

To the UK police your muggers would be IC1 males (Identity Code 1 = white
European). Once they arrested one for mugging you then on the paperwork
he'd have to self describe himself as W1 (W1 = white British - non-Irish).

eta: Perhaps it'd be better to say If they arrested one for mugging you...

Having been in the Met Police I'm well aware of this.
Remember, I was asking how UW would describe to the police, in his own words, those muggers.
Not surprisingly, on no occasion in my experience did any member of the public use the terms IC1, 2, 3..etc..
It was always white, black, mediterranean, asian, mixed-race etc..
When speaking to someone whose race or sex is difficult for you to determine, but has to be determined for whatever reason, you can hand them a self-identification card from which they choose a particular category.

However, this is a perhaps 50% north american forum, where the term "caucasian" is routinely used both by the police and the general public. Europeans and Brits are also well aware of its meaning.

Anyway, we're getting a bit off-topic there.

[Undesired Walrus]

You're just on the nitpick; for whatever reason I have no idea.


Because it's an anti-intellectual statement.


I'd say no. My skin colour is white, I am also racially (genetically) white.

Why are you so sure of this?

A black albino's skin is white, but he is racially (genetically) black. If he has kids with a black mother those kids will almost certainly be black.

Race is a social construct, not a scientific one.

[mrbaracuda]

Oh my, how could you reward a moronic thread like this with 28 replies? Seriously, get a grip!

[Oliver]

Disregarding the large number of western-based worldwide charities.

How much do non-caucasians actually care about caucasians and other non-caucasians? In the real world most societies care primarily about themselves, and only when they are fairly well-off do they begin to care more about other, poorer societies.

Caucasians have distinguished themselves in this regard through capability, not morality. And that distinction was basically a geographical accident, without any basis in race.


I have to disagree here. Caucasians distinguished themselves by telling non-Caucasians that their God and Ideologies are the truthful ones. This is unique to other cultures who merely support the Ideology of "Life and let life"...

For example:

1. From lawful point of view, America, Canada and Australia belongs to it's native people. We simply ignore that.

2. We told African People that our Bible is the one and only truth. It's safe to say that this is a lie, taking the other 438 religions into account.

3. We say that we see Black people as equal, yet we attack anyone who points out white peoples hypocrisy -aka: Wright.

4. We go on and say that we respect Islam - yet we try to reform their whole way of life/tradition by trying to convert them to democracies. That's ridiculous from a non-Caucasian-way-of-life. This thinking clearly represents this: "We are Caucasians and who the **** are you?".

5. We're also polluting the world like nobody else did before. China is catching up - but we were their ideals in the industrial beginning.

6. As consumers, we Caucasians don't give much about natures impact - or children doing work for cheap products. Or bad worker payment in China as long we pay cheap prices at Walmart and Aldi* [German equivalent of Walmart]. It's all about "US, US!, US!!!". The rest is uninteresting - and the Media actually supports this unbalanced and unfair consumers point of view about the rest of the world.

7. We always do - and always did claim that "WE! are the ones!" who know better concerning morality. This, using skeptical standards here, is a fault assumption thanks to a singular point of view. Unfortunately, the rest of the world isn't about "our point of view". We must learn to understand this fact instead ignoring it till today...

[plumjam]

Because it's an anti-intellectual statement.
:D huh?

Why are you so sure of this?
I and my antecedents are from rural Northumberland which is still overwhelmingly white. All my grandparents and great-grandparents were white farmers or miners. One was Irish; that's about as much diversity as there is in my genetic heritage. As to my great-great grandparents, if any of them had not been white I'd be aware of this. Past that point you're getting into tiny fractions, which would be more nitpickery.



Race is a social construct, not a scientific one.
Why then, do drugs have to be tested on the different "races" before they can be given the green light?

[Drudgewire]

I was about to make a well-reasoned, statistically backed-up and scientifically-sound rebuttal to the OP...











...then I remembered we were the race who made Celine Dion a star and realized we are pretty much Satan's spawn. :o

[Pardalis]

4. We go on and say that we respect Islam - yet we try to reform their whole way of life/tradition by trying to convert them to democracies.

Glad to see that you finally agree that Islam is incompatible with democracy.

[Oliver]

Sheeesh, Oliver, your OP is ridiculous. As ever.


It isn't - and deep in your heart you know that - while denying the things you try to fade away with a "nichts zum Thema beitragenden Kommentar".

[Oliver]

Glad to see that you finally agree that Islam is incompatible with democracy.


Nope - Islam is not willing to accept democracy if it's just another Caucasian way to obey their way of life -aka- "Be with us - or with the terrorists" ... Translation: "We are Caucasians - and who the **** are you?"

[Pardalis]

Nope - Islam is not willing to accept democracy if it's just another Caucasian way to obey their way of life -aka- "Be with us - or with the terrorists" ... Translation: "We are Caucasians - and who the **** are you?"

What the hell was that?

I mean come on Oliver, this is unintelligible.

[plumjam]

Oliver has a point about Islam.
In fact, democracy is the fig-leaf. The west isn't interested in introducing real democracy to places like Iraq. It's interested in introducing US-controlled rule-10-you central bank capitalism.
Witness the western about-face on Ghadaffi when he accepted a central bank. Now he's a good guy, but still no democracy in Libya.

[Oliver]

All that from a freaking German. :rolleyes:

Nope - a freakin' Caucasion like you whose Ancestors didn't live in Germany during the Nazi-Era. So I guess we're at a similar level here concerning your try to make a degrading remark. Plus many of my German Ancestors being forced out of Russia during the War were Caucasians as well ... just like yours... :(

[Pardalis]

Oliver, you used to post articulate and intelligible posts like here (http://www.randi.org/forumlive/showpost.php?p=3612808&postcount=104)

What happened to that Oliver? Can we have him back?

[Oliver]

What the hell was that?

I mean come on Oliver, this is unintelligible.


I'm serious, Gourdy. You cannot assume that Arab and Persian Countries see the world through your eyes. Especially if the West doesn't do anything concerning their problems. You're basically viewing the world through to your "We are the Top of the world, and who are you Middle-Eastern nuts anyway?"...

Am I wrong?`

[Pardalis]

I would first have to understand a word you're saying.

Can we have your ghostwriter back please?

[mrbaracuda]

All that from a freaking German. :rolleyes:

Hm. Parda you make me a sad panda. :(:D
Oh by the way, since you're here right now, click! (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3795119&postcount=11)

[plumjam]

Plus many of my German Ancestors being forced out of Russia during the War were Caucasians as well ... just like yours... :(
Those Russkis wanted their lebensraum back ;)

[Pardalis]

Hm. Parda you make me a sad panda. :(:D

Sorry about that, I know you're one of the good intelligent Germans, but it's really irritating to have a German of all people patronizing us (north Americans) about our history.

Oh by the way, since you're here right now, click! (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3795119&postcount=11)

Yeah, I had a look at the website, it's interesting.

[Oliver]

Those Russkis wanted their lebensraum back ;)


And I cannot blame them - giving the fact that the Caucasians were about to conquer the world ... once again ...

*ETA* : That's the very point of this thread ... The Nazis hold the Caucasian Banner just like others nowadays -aka- : "We're right, you're wrong - no matter what...".

[Undesired Walrus]

Why then, do drugs have to be tested on the different "races" before they can be given the green light?

And which 'races' are these? Black and White, or a bit more detailed than that?

That is my entire point, Oliver has continued in his tradition of broad generalisations with no attention to detail whatsover.

[Oliver]

That is my entire point, Oliver has continued in his tradition of broad generalisations with no attention to detail whatsover.


That's quite dishonest, UW. From historical point of view, the Caucasians did and still are doing more damage than your islamic Friends could do in a thousand years.

But ignoring this doesn't grant you a point in here, being a "We're Caucasians - and who the **** are you?"-supporter from what I read so far...

[Undesired Walrus]

That's quite dishonest, UW. From historical point of view, the Caucasians did and still are doing more damage than your islamic Friends could do in a thousand years.

Who are these 'Caucasians' Oliver? You are making a broad generalisation of a vast area of land, something you constantly accuse the US of doing to the Middle-East. Why can you not be more intelligent and proclaim "The Big powers of Europe have caused the most damage to humanity: Discuss". Belarus and Latvia -for example- are surrounded in the pent-house you have created, quite unfairly. What have the people of that country ever done?

Why are you determined to place people into groups? Can you not accept that Humanity is naturally flawed, not subdivisions and shades of that one species?


But ignoring this doesn't grant you a point in here, being a "We're Caucasians - and who the **** are you?"-supporter from what I read so far...

What has made me a supporter of your juvenile description?

[yakimicki]

This is stupid. I am of mainly european heritage. I feel no guilt over any of the things that you mention. I'm sorry, but the color of my skin or the actions of some distant relative do not implicate me in ANYTHING. Even if you are white and you are saying these things about "whites", you are generalizing and being racist. Note the lack of "reverse" before that word. It is plain racism. You are grouping together thousands of cultures under one banner based solely on the color of their skin. I call foul.:covereyes

[Oliver]

You should read "Guns, Germs and Steel". It lays out how the dominance of the white people over everyone they encountered was mainly an accident of geography. This advantage has largely been neutralized in the modern world, but there is still a lot of momentum.

(The only place they couldn't conquer was Africa. Fortunately, they found many leaders there willing to provide them with slaves so they were able to destroy that continent without having to go there themselves.)


I didn't read "Guns, Germs and Steel" - and it probably would destroy the thread if I would go into a Book that most of the people didn't read anyway. So I prefer on simple historian facts that should be common knowledge to everyone in here. Including those people who are NOT Caucasians...

Because from a skeptical point of view, we Caucasians are indeed the major driving force when it comes to "Them -vs- Us".

So I cannot imagine any Non-Caucasian Mind disagreeing with me if he cares about his or her's own history in this contrast ... But this is the chance to speak up for Non-Caucasian people in here... :)

Added: The Caucasian point of View was stated already - and didn't surprise me at all - it's just confirming my skeptical POV about the issue ...

[Rufo]

Feel free to add some ugly facts about "teh white race"...

Facts:
1. Caucasians are mammals.
2. Caucasians fight ALL the time.
3. The purpose of the caucasians is to flip out and kill people.

And that's what I call REAL Ultimate Thread to Humanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Oliver]

Who are these 'Caucasians' Oliver? You are making a broad generalisation of a vast area of land, something you constantly accuse the US of doing to the Middle-East. Why can you not be more intelligent and proclaim "The Big powers of Europe have caused the most damage to humanity: Discuss". Belarus and Latvia -for example- are surrounded in the pent-house you have created, quite unfairly. What have the people of that country ever done?

Why are you determined to place people into groups? Can you not accept that Humanity is naturally flawed, not subdivisions and shades of that one species?



What has made me a supporter of your juvenile description?


Because the "Big Powers" is exactly what I describe as "Caucasian Ideology".

Like me, Yakimicki is opposed to the claims I made - but even if we seem to be in a minority doesn't change the fact what Caucasians historically did all the time without caring about the non-Caucasian opinion, which is:

"We do not care about you, we're the `Rightdoers`"

[Oliver]

And Caucasians are:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

[Oliver]

Facts:
1. Caucasians are mammals.
2. Caucasians fight ALL the time.
3. The purpose of the caucasians is to flip out and kill people.

And that's what I call REAL Ultimate Thread to Humanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Come back to the James Randi Educational Foundation, please. Playing "FreeRomanian's"-BigLettersGame (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=112033) doesn't provide a factual or skeptical point at all..." :(

[WildCat]

The Mongols were Caucasian (http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/04/25/050425fa_fact4)?
After Genghis Khan united a number of Mongol tribes into a single horde under his command in the early thirteenth century, they descended on cities in China, India, Afghanistan, Persia, Turkestan, and Russia. Between 1211 and 1223, they wasted dozens of cities and wiped out more than 18.4 million people in China and environs alone.
Seriously Oliver, not even your German Master Aryan Race was able to do that much damage with modern weapons and genocidal ideology.

[plumjam]

And which 'races' are these? Black and White, or a bit more detailed than that?

That is my entire point, Oliver has continued in his tradition of broad generalisations with no attention to detail whatsover.

I'll be specific. I frequently receive emails from a medical trials clinic, soliciting volunteers (paid). They stipulate the kind of people they are looking for for each trial. Sometimes they want black people, sometimes Japanese, sometimes whites/caucasians (I think they use the term 'white'), sometimes males, sometimes females, sometimes non-smokers etc...
I agree that it can be dangerous in some circumstances to use the broad brush with race terminology. But there are some physiological differences between, say, whites and blacks.
For example, blacks typically have denser bones than whites.
This is why blacks make good sprinters, but not good swimmers. The reverse is true for whites.
To believe that race is merely a social construct just ignores some real underlying genetic differences between the people in question, and it makes the PC project look a bit silly.

[Undesired Walrus]

So are you saying people born with white/light yellow skin and certain facial features are more likely to be a threat to the rest of the humanity because of their biology?

Or is it culture? Are the black members of the British Parliament (Many who voted for the Iraq War) exempt from this rule? Are they forever exempt from this rule? People from all over the world make Britain what it is, the black MP's help run the bloody thing. Oona King lost her job to the blowhard Galloway because of Iraq (And a shame she voted for the travesty). What is she, some little child running around after the Caucasian masters?

Some rethinking in order?

[Undesired Walrus]

I agree that it can be dangerous in some circumstances to use the broad brush with race terminology. But there are some physiological differences between, say, whites and blacks.
For example, blacks typically have denser bones than whites.
This is why blacks make good sprinters, but not good swimmers. The reverse is true for whites.

Define 'black'.

Define 'white'.

Define 'race'.

I stand before a mirror and pluck out my hairs one by one. You count how many have been plucked. Do I become bald at 100,456 hairs plucked or 100,457?

[Oliver]

The Mongols were Caucasian (http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/04/25/050425fa_fact4)?

Seriously Oliver, not even your German Master Aryan Race was able to do that much damage with modern weapons and genocidal ideology.


Where did I say that there were no exceptions to the Caucasian people? - My point still is that the Caucasians are still enforcing our "And who the *** are you?"-POV. That's consistent throughout our history.

And no - while the "Ayrian Race Ideology" certainly proves my point about "And who the *** are you (Slaves, Muslims, Natives)?", I never believed in that since I don't differ between Humans and black, white, red Humans.

That's a differentiation you make yourself - just seeing and following your own agenda.

I'm sorry - but that's not what skepticism is about in my point of non-racial/local/ethnic-agenda view.

[Oliver]

So are you saying people born with white/light yellow skin and certain facial features are more likely to be a threat to the rest of the humanity because of their biology?

Or is it culture? Are the black members of the British Parliament (Many who voted for the Iraq War) exempt from this rule? Are they forever exempt from this rule? People from all over the world make Britain what it is, the black MP's help run the bloody thing. Oona King lost her job to the blowhard Galloway because of Iraq (And a shame she voted for the travesty). What is she, some little child running around after the Caucasian masters?

Some rethinking in order?


No - of course there are exceptions among the "white", Caucasian race. Nobody is comparable to another individual. But from the historical point of view, the Caucasian People were and still are trying to force their view about other views, for example:

1. "What the heck does Iran think - we don't care, they're evil, got it?!"
2. "Slavery happened, get over it!"
3. "We want cheap goods, **** other countries labor circumstances"
4. "We need cheap oil - provide it to us instantly!"
5. "Yes, Aborigines and Native Americans did own our land - so what???"

...and so on...

you cannot refute those historical behaviors that are still present, can you?

[Rufo]

Come back to the James Randi Educational Foundation, please. Playing "FreeRomanian's"-BigLettersGame (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=112033) doesn't provide a factual or skeptical point at all..." :(
Ask Mark if you don't believe me. :p

Actually, I thought the wording of your thread title was a reference to the Real Ultimate Power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Ultimate_Power) website. I was just trying to play along with the joke, not provide a factual or skeptical point.

On a more serious note, this looks a lot to me like you are trying to settle the score with ethnocentric, xenophobic caucasians condemning the collective behavoir of other ethnic groups by condemning the collective behavior of caucasians in a similar manner.

Are you sure you want to do this?

By using the argument "ethnic group so-and-so have done and/or are doing this-and-that and are therefore to be considered a thread", you are reinforcing the essentially moronic notion that the argument - regardless of target - is somehow valid. If you oppose the paranoia surrounding Islam in much of the western world, you should be opposing that notion.

You're smarter than this. Don't play their game.

[Undesired Walrus]

Right, so are you saying Caucasians are more likely to be a threat because of their inherent biology?

When Obama gets elected, will it be his mothers light skin in him that sends him on a killing rampage?

If you deem it is culture (And you may indeed have a point Oliver), not the 'racial' lines that create these people, then you can scrap this moronic title right now.

What you are currently doing is what the racist does, and what the slave traders did. Deem the current condition of a race as fixed and forever unchangable.

[mrbaracuda]

I wonder if Oliver knows that Muslims ran on whores (make that sex slaves) and slaves, both sanctioned by Allah and were most likely the first to import slaves from Africa. Probably not.

[WildCat]

Where did I say that there were no exceptions to the Caucasian people? - My point still is that the Caucasians are still enforcing our "And who the *** are you?"-POV. That's consistent throughout our history.
And that is different from what other race, in your opinion?

And no - while the "Ayrian Race Ideology" certainly proves my point about "And who the *** are you (Slaves, Muslims, Natives)?", I never believed in that since I don't differ between Humans and black, white, red Humans.
Neither did the institution of slavery, which was used by all people everywhere. And pretty much every powerful group of people in the history of the earth have used that power to dominate their neighbors.The Aztecs, for example, didn't get all those other Indian tribes to pony up all those people to be sacraficed so gruesomely on their pyramids because they asked nicely.

That's a differentiation you make yourself - just seeing and following your own agenda.
:i:

I'm sorry - but that's not what skepticism is about in my point of non-racial/local/ethnic-agenda view.
Say what now?

[Oliver]

Ask Mark if you don't believe me. :p

Actually, I thought the wording of your thread title was a reference to the Real Ultimate Power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Ultimate_Power) website. I was just trying to play along with the joke, not provide a factual or skeptical point.

On a more serious note, this looks a lot to me like you are trying to settle the score with ethnocentric, xenophobic caucasians condemning the collective behavoir of other ethnic groups by condemning the collective behavior of caucasians in a similar manner.

Are you sure you want to do this?

By using the argument "ethnic group so-and-so have done and/or are doing this-and-that and are therefore to be considered a thread", you are reinforcing the essentially moronic notion that the argument - regardless of target - is somehow valid. If you oppose the paranoia surrounding Islam in much of the western world, you should be opposing that notion.

You're smarter than this. Don't play their game.

I'm not playing here - all I say is that despite the general US-assumption about Islam being a major problem, the historic facts point out that Islam is harmless in comparison to what the Caucasian force did in all the centuries.

And I'm Caucasian as well - so you should allow me to criticize my ancestors history... :) - And even if I'm indeed smarter than this, I have to address all the Fool's who claim to be Skeptic's nevertheless. You can look them up in this very thread...

[SDC]

That's actually correct. Unfortunately, America is the most prominent hostoric example of importing european Idology by killing native Americans and importing Slavery - even if they still try to sweep it under the carpet.

Personally I would prefer to apologize to natives and victims of those historical circumstances - because just going to support a black President, attack a black Priest or to ridicule native interests doesn't repair the damage in any way.

Does it?

Oh for heaven's sake Oliver. It always comes down to hating the Americans for you, doesn't it?

[Oliver]

Oh for heaven's sake Oliver. It always comes down to hating the Americans for you, doesn't it?


Actually - No. I'm fully aware of the fact that most Americans are Caucasians - or have Caucasian Ancestors. So this is a thread about us - not US. Do you understand the difference?

[SDC]

Oliver, you started with general "Caucasian" matters. Then you morphed into the US as the best example of the badness. QED. It is a kind of stealth anti-US thread. Not very stealthy, at that.

[mrbaracuda]

QED.

= ?

[SDC]

QED = Quod erat demonstrandum. (I hope I have it correct.) "Thus it was proved," usually used in a sarcastic sense when it's used at all anymore.

I don't know, can't Oliver focus on something like pregnant high school girls in Gloucester, Mass., or something worth discussing?

[Oliver]

And that is different from what other race, in your opinion?


Neither did the institution of slavery, which was used by all people everywhere. And pretty much every powerful group of people in the history of the earth have used that power to dominate their neighbors.The Aztecs, for example, didn't get all those other Indian tribes to pony up all those people to be sacraficed so gruesomely on their pyramids because they asked nicely.


:i:


Say what now?


While I admire your consistent circumvention addressing the points I made about the Caucasian history - which surely doesn't surprise me giving the low skeptical replies I'm used to, the amount is the major point here. Feel free to point out any other race that had such a dramatical impact than the Caucasian Ideology of "we don't care 'bout you".

And you might consider that the Caucasians are still ruling the economic and military world, quite in contrast to the lousy Aztecs that vanished from the "pages of time" a long time ago - without making any impact on American History lessons besides a side-note...

[casebro]

Oliver is suffering from some kind of um selection bias? confounding? whatever, a fallacy.

Skin color or nose width had nothing to do with winning wars. Wars are won by the side with the most efficient society. This varied historically. At one point, Monguls were the best. Other time the Romans. Once it was the pre-Mohammad Arabs. The Nazis did well for a couple years, before being defeated by the system of combining America's huge production with the USSR's cannon fodder. Europeans took America fair and square, that's the way it's always worked.

Lessee, Europeans had a Trading System, which facilitated buying slaves.

Europeans had a higher technology, that facilitated taking America from it's natives.

Israel had a better army, and took the Golan and Gaza. (Does Jews vs Arabs count as somebody subjugating an inferior race? Which race, who won, which point in time?)

Looks to me that the score at this point is Capitalism, 1,000, others Zero. Being the better system, the closer the deficient society's come towards capitalism, the better they do.

[Pardalis]

Feel free to point out any other race that had such a dramatical impact than the Caucasian Ideology of "we don't care 'bout you".

What does that even mean?

Can you put this into understandable English?

[Undesired Walrus]

I have to address all the Fool's who claim to be Skeptic's nevertheless. You can look them up in this very thread...

Fool's is used when a we are learning about the ownership of a noun or adjective. Fools is used when you are talking about a large group.

Oh sorry, was this fool too pedantic?

[Oliver]

Oliver is suffering from some kind of um selection bias? confounding? whatever, a fallacy.

Skin color or nose width had nothing to do with winning wars. Wars are won by the side with the most efficient society. This varied historically. At one point, Monguls were the best. Other time the Romans. Once it was the pre-Mohammad Arabs. The Nazis did well for a couple years, before being defeated by the system of combining America's huge production with the USSR's cannon fodder. Europeans took America fair and square, that's the way it's always worked.

Lessee, Europeans had a Trading System, which facilitated buying slaves.

Europeans had a higher technology, that facilitated taking America from it's natives.

Israel had a better army, and took the Golan and Gaza. (Does Jews vs Arabs count as somebody subjugating an inferior race? Which race, who won, which point in time?)

Looks to me that the score at this point is Capitalism, 1,000, others Zero. Being the better system, the closer the deficient society's come towards capitalism, the better they do.


Well - this is a nice list of historical facts - but it unfortunately doesn't contradicts my claim that the Caucasians were the most threatening force throughout history.

Come again...

[Undesired Walrus]

Oliver, are you claiming it is culture or biology that drives this particular shade of humanity from doing the things it does?

[mrbaracuda]

Thanks, SDC.:)

[Oliver]

What does that even mean?

Can you put this into understandable English?


Just for you, Goury, I made some examples here:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3799499&postcount=61

and here:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3799118&postcount=31

With a little bit of historic Background and common sense you should be able to understand what I'm the Caucasians influence accusing of ... including your very personal Caucasian-European way of thinking - if you're even aware of it....

[plumjam]

Define 'black'.

Define 'white'.

Are you saying you can't tell the difference? My 4 year old niece can.
Here's a clue. Black people have darker skin than white people.
:D

Define 'race'.
There are plenty of online dictionaries if you want definitions rather than discussion.

I stand before a mirror and pluck out my hairs one by one. You count how many have been plucked. Do I become bald at 100,456 hairs plucked or 100,457?
UW, I'm afraid you're playing the juvenile game of "when does a pile become a heap become a hill?". It's a game that likes to pass itself of as philosophy or at least of some interest or contribution to discussion.
Sadly it isn't.
The fact that most of the words we use in real life have flexible, fuzzy-edged, arguable definitions, is a trivial one, and it adds nothing of interest to what we're talking about in pretty much any debate I can think of.
The real life fact that some people are white and some people are black is staring you in the face, and using definitional quibbles does nothing to change that.
:rolleyes:

[WildCat]

Well - this is a nice list of historical facts - but it unfortunately doesn't contradicts my claim that the Caucasians were the most threatening force throughout history.

Come again...
Actually, Oliver, nothing supports your claim I bolded. Europe's dominance in the for 400 years starting in the 1500's was very late in history.

[mrbaracuda]

Sorry about that, I know you're one of the good intelligent Germans, but it's really irritating to have a German of all people patronizing us (north Americans) about our history.

:blush::D

Yeah, I had a look at the website, it's interesting.

Too bad the discussion somehow ended there. Oh well. :)

[Pardalis]

Just for you, Goury, I made some examples here:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3799499&postcount=61

and here:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3799118&postcount=31

With a little bit of historic Background and common sense you should be able to understand what I'm the Caucasians influence accusing of ... including your very personal Caucasian-European way of thinking - if you're even aware of it....

That's not helping.

You're completely incoherent.

[WildCat]

Oliver, are you claiming it is culture or biology that drives this particular shade of humanity from doing the things it does?
It's the United States, it always is in Oliver-land.

Oliver is unaware of anything that happened on the world stage prior to 1946 for some reason.

[Oliver]

Oliver, are you claiming it is culture or biology that drives this particular shade of humanity from doing the things it does?


Nope - Ideology and Biology are two different pairs of shoes. Ideology, however, is the driving force for the majority of Caucasians since ages - look it up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

[Pardalis]

Too bad the discussion somehow ended there. Oh well. :)

Yeah, but I don't know much about Islam, so I think I have reached my Peter principle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle). :o

[Undesired Walrus]

Here's a clue. Black people have darker skin than white people.
:D


So a black albino is off the cards then?

Plumjam, are you honestly suggesting black people are black because they are not sitting in the 'default' setting?

It may be immensely reassuring for you to pass off my comments in a patronising "10 out of 10 for trying", but it is very clearly transparent. Don't do it in future.

[WildCat]

BTW Oliver, why do you think the San people, who once occupied most of southern Africa, were living in deserts by 1000 AD?

[Pardalis]

Ideology, however, is the driving force for the majority of Caucasians since ages - look it up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

Your link says nothing about the "caucasian ideology".

What the hell is it?

ETA: you're trying, again, to find moral equivalences. Since we're criticizing Islam's problems, you think you have to take upon yourself to find an equivalent problematic in "us".

The problem here is that the "us" is much too large that your analogy becomes meaningless. You can't even find a common ideology to all caucasians to pin these problem on without resorting to your stupid strawmen you always put in quotation marks.

At least Islam is an ideology, it has defined parameters, we can actually read what it is about.

There's just no common broad all encompassing "caucasian ideology".

[WildCat]

There's just no common broad all encompassing "caucasian ideology".
*Last time a German preached such a thing it didn't turn out so good (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_war_two).









*My apologies to mrbaracuda, Chaos, and the other German posters on this board with more than 2 brain cells to rub together.

[mrbaracuda]

*My apologies to mrbaracuda, Chaos, and the other German posters on this board with more than 2 brain cells to rub together.

:eusa_snooty:

Huh? No damage done, Hitler was Austrian! Silly you forgot that, eh? Tsk, you racist anti-German! :eusa_naughty:
But it's okay, it's part of our history. It can get annoying though when the first thing you hear after "revealing" you're German is something about Nazis. ;)

[WildCat]

:eusa_snooty:

Huh? No damage done, Hitler was Austrian! Silly you forgot that, eh? Tsk, you racist anti-German! :eusa_naughty:
Oh, so he's qualified to head the country but he wasn't a German citizen? ;)

But it's okay, it's part of our history. It can get annoying though when the first thing you hear after "revealing" you're German is something about Nazis. ;)
Thanks to the power of the internet, soon the Nazi references will disappear and "so you're like that Oliver guy?" will replace it. :p

[Oliver]

:eusa_snooty:

Huh? No damage done, Hitler was Austrian! Silly you forgot that, eh? Tsk, you racist anti-German! :eusa_naughty:
But it's okay, it's part of our history. It can get annoying though when the first thing you hear after "revealing" you're German is something about Nazis. ;)


Austrians Anti-Semitic Regime during the time when Hitler grew up over there - or Hitlers support by Germany after he left Austria are pretty much the same. It all comes down to the still present assumption that "We are right - and if you disagree, you're a Terrorist."

So in this regard, the Bush Administration is just another continuation of the typical Caucasian stance: "We are right, so **** you, Jews, Natives, N-Words, Muslims".

Is it that hard to look into the ancestors mirror???

Anyway: Maybe someone with no Caucasian background is able to make some points in here - until then I need some sleep after missing to get some of it in the last 30 Hours thanks to the current heat-wave in Germany...

[WildCat]

typical Caucasian stance
You have yet to support this claim of yours. You need to show not only that Caucasions take such a "stance", but also that this is unique among Caucasians.

What happened to the San oliver? Why were they living in deserts by 1000 AD? Do they just like living in the desert?

Anyway: Maybe someone with no Caucasian background is able to make some points in here - until then I need some sleep after missing to get some of it in the last 30 Hours thanks to the current heat-wave in Germany...
Whatever you do, don't resort to that evil American invention air conditioning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willis_Carrier)... typical Caucasian BS.

[Radrook]

More to the point, what makes you so sure you are 'White'? Have you done a family tree recently?


Why would you want him to identify as other than white if that's what he sees in the mirror?

[lionking]

The Moghuls and the Aztecs have already been cited as exceptions to Oliver's "rule", which he declares irrelevant. I could throw in the Hutus and the Tutsis, as well as Mugabe's thugs, as particularly evil non-caucasisns. Also irrelevant I'm sure.....

[mr rosewater]

Well what about the Japanese and what they did to the Chinese, never mind.

[BPSCG]

This was supposed to be in the Humor forum, right? :confused:

Oliver just got a little confused, right? :confused:

I mean, I never agree with Gurdur on anything, but here we are. So this must be a misplaced Humor forum thread. :boggled:

[mr rosewater]

This was supposed to be in the Humor forum, right? :confused:

Oliver just got a little confused, right? :confused:

I mean, I never agree with Gurdur on anything, but here we are. So this must be a misplaced Humor forum thread. :boggled:

No, sorry this is not a dream!

[technoextreme]

So a black albino is off the cards then?
I knew someone who was Indian but you couldn't tell because he was also half Irish. That's when I realized how moronic it was to try and base nationality off of skin color.

[Pardalis]

So in this regard, the Bush Administration is just another continuation of the typical Caucasian stance: "We are right, so **** you, Jews, Natives, N-Words, Muslims".

Oliver, don't you understand that these things you put in quotation marks are completely meaningless? They are your own caricature of what you think the "caucasians" are thinking. I can't believe I even said "caucasians", I don't even know who you are referring to.

Why don't you try to articulate your thoughts into your own words, instead of these incoherent strawmen?

[BPSCG]

Austrians Anti-Semitic Regime during the time when Hitler grew up over there - or Hitlers support by Germany after he left Austria are pretty much the same. It all comes down to the still present assumption that "We are right - and if you disagree, you're a Terrorist."

So in this regard, the Bush Administration is just another continuation of the typical Caucasian stance: "We are right, so **** you, Jews, Natives, N-Words, Muslims".

Is it that hard to look into the ancestors mirror???

Anyway: Maybe someone with no Caucasian background is able to make some points in here - until then I need some sleep after missing to get some of it in the last 30 Hours thanks to the current heat-wave in Germany...The most charitable explanation for the above involves a lot of alcohol and a head injury.

[mrbaracuda]

Oh, so he's qualified to head the country but he wasn't a German citizen? ;)

He nationalized and became a German citizen later on! :covereyes
Come to think of it, your founding fathers had everything covered, eh? Heh.

Thanks to the power of the internet, soon the Nazi references will disappear and "so you're like that Oliver guy?" will replace it. :p

Hm, while tempting at first, I think I'll stick with the Nazi references. :D
We should just have taken Russia by the flank, damn it!

Is it that hard to look into the ancestors mirror???

For you it seems so, yes. One might say sane and healthy people can live with it without going as far as hating oneself and the hemisphere one lives in.

This was supposed to be in the Humor forum, right? :confused:

Oliver just got a little confused, right? :confused:

You're the confused one, Caucasian! Now hush and go back into your.. your.. house! With a roof! And maybe even AC units! Come back when you aren't so Caucasian anymore and can make a point here! :D

[mrbaracuda]

The most charitable explanation for the above involves a lot of alcohol and a head injury.

You just got to like the way he jumps from the time when Hitler grew up to the Bush Administration as "just another continuation" of what his mental illness told him about Caucasians.:cool:

[Texas]

He nationalized and became a German citizen later on! :covereyes
Come to think of it, your founding fathers had everything covered, eh? Heh.

Well I always suspected that Thomas Jefferson was secretly French.

[egslim]

This is unique to other cultures who merely support the Ideology of "Life and let life"...
Name one such culture. Arab? Went on a massive spree of conquest, from the Arab peninsula halfway into modern Spain. Persia? Tried to conquer Greece. Zulu? Was building itself a nice little empire, until they ran into the British. Burma? The current mountain tribes there didn't choose to try their hand at agriculture in the mountains, they were driven away from the more fertile lowlands by those who live there now.

For example:
How do those examples make western European culture different from other cultures, except in capability? If you want to talk about environmental destruction, ask the Easter Islanders.

[egslim]

Sorry about that, I know you're one of the good intelligent Germans, but it's really irritating to have a German of all people patronizing us (north Americans) about our history.
While the source of such irritation is obvious, German as a culture is not in any way more violent or evil than any other culture. The main problem with Germany was that the country, once created, was so powerful as to upset the entire balance of power in Europe.

During its existence Germany waged three large wars:
- The French-Prussian war was initiated by France.
- In WWI Germany could be blamed for giving Austria a blank check, but the fact that Kaiser Wilhelm went sailing afterwards demonstrates he did not expect his country to be pulled into a major war because of that. Politically incompetent, but not evil.
- Only WWII was a clear case of German aggression. The country was run by an Austrian, though.
The Holocaust was unique in scope, but not so much in principle. Advocation of mass genocide is already described in the bible. What sets the Holocaust apart from other planned genocides is its industrial approach. And that was a matter of difference in capability.

Before the German unification the Big Bad in Europe was France, simply because it was the most powerful at the time. After WWII the Soviets became it, for much the same reason.

[plumjam]

So a black albino is off the cards then?
I already dealt with that one.

Plumjam, are you honestly suggesting black people are black because they are not sitting in the 'default' setting?
How you can twist such a perverse point out of what I actually said is a bit mystifying.


It may be immensely reassuring for you to pass off my comments in a patronising "10 out of 10 for trying", but it is very clearly transparent. Don't do it in future.
Ooooh.

[BPSCG]

You're the confused one, Caucasian! I'm really confused, 'cuz I'm half a Jew and half a not-Jew.

So when Oliver says, "We are right, so **** you, Jews, Natives, N-Words, Muslims," my not-Jew half says, "Yeah, that's right! **** you, Jews!"

And my Jew half says, "Well, **** you, too, not-Jew!"

It's all very difficult. Oliver, can you help me out?

[technoextreme]

How you can twist such a perverse point out of what I actually said is a bit mystifying.

Because for it being a joke it was so absurdly stupid and wrong.

[Beerina]

It's teh white MEN!!!!!

Yeah! We suck! :mad:



The rest of you should gang up and come get us. :rolleyes: :p





In spite of the nasty bumps along the way, with white men, AKA European AKA Western culture, human population and quality and length of life explodes. Without Western culture? The rest of the world would probably still be toddering along pre-steam engine. You do the math, misery and quality of life-wise.

[plumjam]

Because for it being a joke it was so absurdly stupid and wrong.

what was?

[Oliver]

I'm really confused, 'cuz I'm half a Jew and half a not-Jew.

So when Oliver says, "We are right, so **** you, Jews, Natives, N-Words, Muslims," my not-Jew half says, "Yeah, that's right! **** you, Jews!"

And my Jew half says, "Well, **** you, too, not-Jew!"

It's all very difficult. Oliver, can you help me out?


I'm sorry but I can't help you out there. It's getting even more complicated if I take the fact into account that there are Caucasian Jews as well.

But the essential fact -aka- the historical background still remains. Basically all you English-, German-, Spanish- and French speaking Guys learn in School about History is not about Africans, Jews, Arabs, Persians, Aborigines etc., it's mainly about the Caucasians History. So this way of thinking might also root in the fact that it's also an instilled Point of View of predominance.

Oh, and BPSCG - it also depends on your Jewish parts stand: If you have a liberal stance - you probably might tend to disagree with Caucasian World-views and their historical wrongdoing. But from your standpoint, I would assume that you're at least more critical if it comes to dominating one race over another.

[BPSCG]

I'm sorry but I can't help you out there. It's getting even more complicated if I take the fact into account that there are Caucasian Jews as well. Oh. See, when you said...
...the Bush Administration is just another continuation of the typical Caucasian stance: "We are right, so **** you, Jews, Natives, N-Words, Muslims"....I thought you were suggesting the Jews aren't causcasians. But now you say they are. I guess I have the stoopids today.

But the essential fact -aka- the historical background still remains. Basically all you English-, German-, Spanish- and French speaking Guys learn in School about History is not about Africans, Jews, Arabs, Persians, Aborigines etc., it's mainly about the Caucasians History. Wait, me confused again (the stoopids is after me again!). I thought the "essential fact" was that teh caucasions is :talk034:ing up the whole world for everyone. And me also confused again; is the Jews caucasians or isn't they?
Oh, and BPSCG - it also depends on your Jewish parts stand: Me got the stoopids again. What does you mean by that?

If you have a liberal stance... Do what, now? When I go to the men's room, I have a wide stance, which I use as a way to tip off the guy in the next stall that I think he's cute. What's a liberal stance?

...- you probably might tend to disagree with Caucasian World-views and their historical wrongdoing. But from your standpoint, I would assume that you're at least more critical if it comes to dominating one race over another.:confused: Help, I got the stoopids again!

:goat

[mrbaracuda]

The stoopids might actually help you with understanding uh, yes uh, Oliver!
I wasn't gonna say the stoopid, nuh-uh! It's your Caucasian viewpoint that is telling you I would commit such shameful act!

:goat

[Oliver]

The stoopids might actually help you with understanding uh, yes uh, Oliver!
I wasn't gonna say the stoopid, nuh-uh! It's your Caucasian viewpoint that is telling you I would commit such shameful act!

:goat


Mach nur weiter mit deinem Versuch dich bei den Lesern einzuschleimen - vielleicht magst du dich des Themas ja wenigstens Gelegentlich zu nähern, wenn du dich auch nicht überstürzen musst indem du diesem Rat gleich im unmittelbaren Anschluss Folge leistest. ;)

Rough translation: You might consider to contribute to a threads topic from time to time, Caucasian. :p

[idunno]

More to the point, what makes you so sure you are 'White'? Have you done a family tree recently?

Idiot!

Morrigan is right. Other races have perpretated evil acts

[Oliver]

Oh. See, when you said...
...I thought you were suggesting the Jews aren't causcasians. But now you say they are. I guess I have the stoopids today.

Wait, me confused again (the stoopids is after me again!). I thought the "essential fact" was that teh caucasions is :talk034:ing up the whole world for everyone. And me also confused again; is the Jews caucasians or isn't they?
Me got the stoopids again. What does you mean by that?

Do what, now? When I go to the men's room, I have a wide stance, which I use as a way to tip off the guy in the next stall that I think he's cute. What's a liberal stance?

:confused: Help, I got the stoopids again!

:goat


Nope, you didn't got the "stoopids", you 're just ignoring the fact that Israeli Jew's oppressing Palestinians is like Caucasians oppressing Jews, Blacks, Arbabs, Persians, Asians etc.

Congratulation for that. Given your half-Jewish background, you had the chance to come to wiser conclusions. ;)

[idunno]

Mach nur weiter mit deinem Versuch dich bei den Lesern einzuschleimen - vielleicht magst du dich des Themas ja wenigstens Gelegentlich zu nähern, wenn du dich auch nicht überstürzen musst indem du diesem Rat gleich im unmittelbaren Anschluss Folge leistest. ;)

Rough translation: You might consider to contribute to a threads topic from time to time, Caucasian. :p

you might contribute with readable german:D

[Oliver]

you might contribute with readable german:D


Unfortunately, the Admin's don't like German in general when it comes to posting in non-predominant languages.

[idunno]

Unfortunately, the Admin's don't like German in general when it comes to posting in non-predominant languages.

that on:Dly applies to hopeless USA

[Oliver]

that on:Dly applies to hopeless USA


Why "hopeless"? :confused:

[BPSCG]

Nope, you didn't got the "stoopids", you 're just ignoring the fact that Israeli Jew's oppressing Palestinians is like Caucasians oppressing Jews, Blacks, Arbabs, Persians, Asians etc.

Congratulation for that. Given your half-Jewish background, you had the chance to come to wiser conclusions. ;)What conclusions? I didn't come to any conclusions. How could I come to any conclusions when I'm confused because of the stoopids? Am I a Jew, or am I a caucasian? I always thought my dad was a regular white guy, but if he was a Jew, then he wasn't, right? And if I'm only half-a-Jew, then I'm kinda like Kipling's marine, I guess:
'E isn't one o' the reg'lar Line, nor 'e isn't one of the crew.
'E's a kind of a giddy harumfrodite -- soldier an' sailor too!
So am I a caucasian, or am I a Jew? It's important for me to find out, 'cuz I want to be on the winning team.

My mother looks pretty white, if that helps.

[bigred]

I'm getting a little bit sick and tired of the Jihadi-Claims over in the US.

So since this is a supposed Skeptic-Forum, let's get some facts straight:

My claim is that my fellow Caucasians are the biggest threat to humanity for following reasons:

1. Throughout History they conquered every possible Land they got their Hands on - pretty much giving a **** about their previous owners.

2. Caucasians are the ones who lead concerning polluting the world in all possible means, no matter if poisons, CO², deforestation, etc.

3. Caucasians are also historically famous for starting Wars, including those for "teh one and only God", killing "Terrorstate"-Citizens, starving innocents to death due to Embargo's - while claiming they are the Top of the moral World.

4. Because of the latter aspect, Caucasians also used every opportunity to portray themselves and their equally stupid religion as the better one/-s.

5. Plus I should mention that Caucasians have a huge reputation when it comes to other non-Caucasian interests: Those things are unimportant by default - according to the successful slogan: "We rule the world - and who the **** are you?".

Feel free to add some ugly facts about "teh white race"...


lol - good ol Oliver Hatin on THE MAN! :thumbsup:

Everybody knows they're the root of all evil. Hell blacks and liberals have been saying it for centuries; about time everyone else caught up eh?

[Oliver]

What conclusions? I didn't come to any conclusions. How could I come to any conclusions when I'm confused because of the stoopids? Am I a Jew, or am I a caucasian? I always thought my dad was a regular white guy, but if he was a Jew, then he wasn't, right? And if I'm only half-a-Jew, then I'm kinda like Kipling's marine, I guess:'E isn't one o' the reg'lar Line, nor 'e isn't one of the crew.
'E's a kind of a giddy harumfrodite -- soldier an' sailor too!
So am I a caucasian, or am I a Jew? It's important for me to find out, 'cuz I want to be on the winning team.

My mother looks pretty white, if that helps.


I have no Idea about your families ethnic background- being a Jew doesn't exclude a black, white, red, brown, marsian-green skin, does it?

From what I remember, your Caucasian stance dominates - despite the fact that you're opposed to the most extreme Caucasian Example, the Nazi's. But besides them, you tolerate Caucasian Ideologies of oppression throughout Caucasian History.

Sad - but quite ironical, isn't it?

[bigred]

What conclusions? I didn't come to any conclusions. How could I come to any conclusions when I'm confused because of the stoopids? Am I a Jew, or am I a caucasian? I always thought my dad was a regular white guy, but if he was a Jew, then he wasn't, right? And if I'm only half-a-Jew, then I'm kinda like Kipling's marine, I guess:
'E isn't one o' the reg'lar Line, nor 'e isn't one of the crew.
'E's a kind of a giddy harumfrodite -- soldier an' sailor too!
So am I a caucasian, or am I a Jew? It's important for me to find out, 'cuz I want to be on the winning team.

My mother looks pretty white, if that helps.

shut up you oppressive racist cracka.

[BPSCG]

I have no Idea about your families ethnologyYes you do. I told you my dad looked plenty white to me, and so does my mother. So am I a Jew, or am I a caucasian?

- being a Jew doesn't exclude a black, white, red, brown, marsian-green skin, does it?I don't know, but you seem to be suggesting it does exclude caucasians.

From what I remember, your Caucasian stance dominates - despite the fact that you're opposed to the most extreme Caucasian Example, the Nazi's. But besides them, you tolerate Caucasian Ideologies of oppression throughout Caucasian History.

Sad - but quite ironical, isn't it?I guess I must be a self-hating Jewcasian. :boggled:

You're funny! :)

[BPSCG]

shut up you oppressive racist cracka.No, you shut up, you Jew!

(this is fun! :) )

[Oliver]

Yes you do. I told you my dad looked plenty white to me, and so does my mother. So am I a Jew, or am I a caucasian?

I don't know, but you seem to be suggesting it does exclude caucasians.

I guess I must be a self-hating Jewcasian. :boggled:

You're funny! :)


So what? - "Obama isn't as black as blacks used to be". That's no skeptical argument at all, is it? :confused:

From what I read so far about you, you're preferring the Caucasian way of "...and who the **** are you?" - if I'm not mistaken about your rather intolerant remarks in other threads.

So according to what I read so far, you're more a Caucasian than one of the 75% of liberal Jewish people in America who are indeed opposed to the Caucasian Warmongering which proves my point of self-critical view.

[idunno]

No, you shut up, you Jew!

(this is fun! :) )

i cannot send him to the gas chamber but i can email him a terrific fart which will have the same effect:D

[Undesired Walrus]

the Caucasian way of "...and who the **** are you?" - .

This is doing you no favours Oliver. It's infuriating.

[Oliver]

And since nearly nobody dared to show some "self-skepticism" so far, here is a list from the top of my head proving the point that Caucasians are indeed the biggest threat to the rest of the Human World:

1. Holocaust/"killing Evildoers" since Jesus left for plausible reasons
2. Deforestation
3. Pollution
4. Slaveholding/Domination of Goods in foreign places
5. Portraying different voices as "Nut's/Terrorists/stoopids" by default
6. Colonialism
7. Enforcing Caucasian religion/moral standards
... [Feel free to add points]

[Oliver]

This is doing you no favours Oliver. It's infuriating.


Well, since you didn't start to point at your own nose once it comes to your typical Caucasian stance that "the others are the evildoers", it doesn't surprise me that this most probably may indeed annoy you to be self-skeptical.

[bigred]

No, you shut up, you Jew!

(this is fun! :) )

*gasp sputter*

I'm no Jew you stinkin Heeb!! :mad:

[Undesired Walrus]

Ok, so you have established (In your mind) that 'Caucasians' are the ultimate threat to the world because of those events.

Now, what is this supposed to suggest? Is it culture, or is it biology? If it is the former, you must admit that being light-skinned and broken-nosed is secondary to the culture you are growing up into.

Thus, a far more intellectual position to take would be to begin the OP as follows:
'The European mindset causes untold damage to the rest of the world'.

Then you would explain what it is in European culture that produces such awful crimes, and WildCat, Pardalis and co would probably debate the issue with you like the adult you would thus be.

By saying it is because they are caucasian explains absolutely nothing and makes it a scientific premise.

When Josef Fritzl did the terrible things he did, people didn't go on the news proclaiming 'Oh it's cos he's Caucasian isn't it lol!11!', they rationally asked what is wrong with Austrian culture that breeds this kind of evil.

If you were a skeptic, you would do the same.

[Undesired Walrus]

that "the others are the evildoers"

Repeating an error does not make it correct.

[WildCat]

But the essential fact -aka- the historical background still remains. Basically all you English-, German-, Spanish- and French speaking Guys learn in School about History is not about Africans, Jews, Arabs, Persians, Aborigines etc., it's mainly about the Caucasians History.
You don't appear to have ever had any sort of education in History Oliver.

What happened to the San? Why did they live in deserts by 1000 AD?

[mrbaracuda]

Mach nur weiter mit deinem Versuch dich bei den Lesern einzuschleimen - vielleicht magst du dich des Themas ja wenigstens Gelegentlich zu nähern, wenn du dich auch nicht überstürzen musst indem du diesem Rat gleich im unmittelbaren Anschluss Folge leistest. ;)

Äh, ja, genau, ja. Leider gibt es bei dem Schwachsinn hier kaum etwas anzunähern; da ziemlicher Schwachsinn nicht nur in der Art oder Präsentation; davon abgesehen äußerte ich mich bereits und finde es etwas amüsant und gleichzeitig traurig, wie du dich hier äußerst. Aber: Weitermachen! Macht ja auch mal Spaß; nur auf Dauer doch etwas kläglich.

Rough translation: You might consider to contribute to a threads topic from time to time, Caucasian. :p

In your rough translation you seem to have forgotten the part where you accuse me of sucking up to the readers. Maybe it was lost in the realm of stoopid. :rolleyes:

Do you consider yourself Caucasian, Oliver? If so, do you follow this Caucasian ideology, or have you just come to the conclusion you should hate yourself for being Caucasian? And further: Could it be you read too much of this "Orientalism" and "the Other" BS by for example Said?

1. Holocaust/"killing Evildoers" since Jesus left for plausible reasons
2. Deforestation
3. Pollution
4. Slaveholding/Domination of Goods in foreign places
5. Portraying different voices as "Nut's/Terrorists/stoopids" by default
6. Colonialism
7. Enforcing Caucasian religion/moral standards
... [Feel free to add points]

You don't think you could apply all those points to Islam's history and therefore Muslims?
Ach, I wish I was trained in psychology and had the tools necessary for creating a profile of Oliver based on his interwebs-appearence. It would be most intriguing!
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a planet to colonize because I am prone to my Caucasian ideology!

http://www.stthomasu.ca/~ahrc/Federation.gif

[Radrook]

I knew someone who was Indian but you couldn't tell because he was also half Irish. That's when I realized how moronic it was to try and base nationality off of skin color.

I agree.

Elvis Presely was part Cherokee. Jose Ferrer that Caucasian looking fellow playing the emperor in the film Dune was of Puerto Rican heritage. That green eyed white skinned blond actor Esteves, who played Billy the Kid is of Cuban heritage. Cameron Diaz is of Indian, German, Cuban, ancestry. Actually, in many countries which aren't of USA culture the wayt you look is wqhat you are racially. So the bloodline rule isn't applied in all cultures. Only here in the USA where people are racially obsessed and must meticulously nit-pick in order to tag and then use that tage to negatively discriminate. That modus operandoi appolies tpo both American whites and American blacks. They both hase the same pernicious single-track mentality.

Curiously, when it comes to applying thart same inflexible mentality to themselves they digress. Which of course seems to be another cultural trait as is evidenced by our national foreign policy.

[mrbaracuda]

You don't appear to have ever had any sort of education in History Oliver.

Well you don't learn too much of it by watching the Hezbollah and Hamas "educational" channels! ;)

What happened to the San? Why did they live in deserts by 1000 AD?

Please, enlighten us, since he isn't able to! :)

[idunno]

ich stimme zu

[Oliver]

Ok, so you have established (In your mind) that 'Caucasians' are the ultimate threat to the world because of those events.

Now, what is this supposed to suggest? Is it culture, or is it biology? If it is the former, you must admit that being light-skinned and broken-nosed is secondary to the culture you are growing up into.

Thus, a far more intellectual position to take would be to begin the OP as follows:
'The European mindset causes untold damage to the rest of the world'.

Then you would explain what it is in European culture that produces such awful crimes, and WildCat, Pardalis and co would probably debate the issue with you like the adult you would thus be.

By saying it is because they are caucasian explains absolutely nothing and makes it a scientific premise.

When Josef Fritzl did the terrible things he did, people didn't go on the news proclaiming 'Oh it's cos he's Caucasian isn't it lol!11!', they rationally asked what is wrong with Austrian culture that breeds this kind of evil.

If you were a skeptic, you would do the same.

First of all: Canada, Australia and America aren't Europeans - even if they also hold Caucasian Ideologies. Therefore it wouldn't make sense to blame Europeans for their very own historical Ideologies when it comes to Countries that expanded those views outside of Europe.

In other Words: Caucasian Idiology has it's roots in Europe - but it still exists in those mentioned countries as well - given the fact that their roots are European as well.

It's doesn't seem to be a biological aspect at all since we all came from Africa according to scientific researches. It merely seems to be the bad habit of self-praising in Terms of: "We are the greatest X on earth". So a major contributor seems to be ignorance and education.

Fritz is an example of individual misbehavior comparable to non-Caucasian ideologies. That's not a major Caucasian historic event - unless you claim that Caucasians used to jail people into their cellars... [Please don't bring up Black people now... :rolleyes:]

The source of those historical facts aren't that much relevant to the obvious fact that Caucasians are the most damaging people on earth. Why they behaved this way throughout history is a secondary, but certainly interesting question.

So to make sure that you're even understanding the Caucasian History: What historical Circumstances would you describe as being abominable and still unsolved in terms of indemnification?

[mrbaracuda]

ich stimme zu

Well, you got my attention. Are you German or just imitating one? ;)

[Oliver]

By the way: Do we even have any Non-Caucasian people in here?

[Oliver]

Well you don't learn too much of it by watching the Hezbollah and Hamas "educational" channels! ;)

Please, enlighten us, since he isn't able to! :)


"Hezbollah, Hamas, Jews, Bolsheviks, Blacks, Japs, Krauts, Natives, Communists"...

I see you still have a hard time to see you're hypocrisy and therefore lack of self-criticism by yourself. Give it a try and refute my claim of Caucasian Terror throughout history. Well?

[aggle-rithm]

Jose Ferrer that Caucasian looking fellow playing the emperor in the film Dune was of Puerto Rican heritage.

You describe Jose Ferrer as that guy from that train wreck DUNE?!?

**cough, sputter**

Ever seen a little flick called "The Caine Mutiny"?

**suffers debilitating stroke**

OK, back to the topic.

[WildCat]

You don't think you could apply all those points to Islam's history and therefore Muslims?
You could apply those to every culture that ever existed.

Oliver, why did the Chickasaw Indians live in fortified villages even in pre-Columbian times?

[Pardalis]

"What the **** is this thread about?"

[mrbaracuda]

You could apply those to every culture that ever existed.

Well yes, but Oliver has expressed some, if only shallow, knowledge about Islam or is at least fond of of it and what comes with it. You know, like crazy Shiites with nice rhetorics and so on. ;)

[Oliver]

You could apply those to every culture that ever existed.

Oliver, why did the Chickasaw Indians live in fortified villages even in pre-Columbian times?


What the Heck are Chicksaw Indians??? - I'm sorry, but being raised about Caucasian History in School, all I know is "The West -vs- the Suckers/Terrorists/Communists/Jihadists"... :(;)

[WildCat]

"What the **** is this thread about?"
Apparently, Oliver is trying to branch out from his usual "America sucks" threads into "white people suck" threads.

[Oliver]

"What the **** is this thread about?"


This thread still is about the most "evildoin'" people on Earth. According to you, it's the Jihadists - according to history, it's your and my ancestors, the Caucasians.

[Pardalis]

1. Holocaust/"killing Evildoers" since Jesus left for plausible reasons

Can you explain this one please?

First of all: Canada, Australia and America aren't Europeans- even if they also hold Caucasian Ideologies. Therefore it wouldn't make sense to blame Europeans for their very own historical Ideologies when it comes to Countries that expanded those views outside of Europe.

In other Words: Caucasian Idiology has it's roots in Europe - but it still exists in those mentioned countries as well - given the fact that their roots are European as well.Uh? :confused:

It's doesn't seem to be a biological aspect at all since we all came from Africa according to scientific researches. It merely seems to be the bad habit of self-praising in Terms of: "We are the greatest X on earth". So a major contributor seems to be ignorance and education.

Fritz is an example of individual misbehavior comparable to non-Caucasian ideologies. That's not a major Caucasian historic event - unless you claim that Caucasians used to jail people into their cellars... [Please don't bring up Black people now... :rolleyes:]

The source of those historical facts aren't that much relevant to the obvious fact that Caucasians are the most damaging people on earth. Why they behaved this way throughout history is a secondary, but certainly interesting question.

So to make sure that you're even understanding the Caucasian History: What historical Circumstances would you describe as being abominable and still unsolved in terms of indemnification?
Please god make it stop.

[Oliver]

Apparently, Oliver is trying to branch out from his usual "America sucks" threads into "white people suck" threads.


What's the difference? - Both represent Caucasian Values. Even Obama.
Your counterpoint would be ... ? ...

[Pardalis]

What's the difference? - Both represent Caucasian Values. Even Obama.

But he's a black liberal, right?

[idunno]

But he's a black liberal, right?
A liberal mixed raced supremacist??

[Oliver]

Can you explain this one please?

Uh? :confused:
Uh? :confused:
Please god make it stop.


It's pretty easy:

The Caucasian way of thinking always was: "We are right, you are wrong ... no matter what".

For example:

"Jews are threatening"
"Blacks are apes"
"Asians are Terrosrists"
"Natives are Terrorists"
"Communists are Terrorists"
"Muslim Ideologies are Terrorist-Ideologies"
"Palestinians are Terrorists"
"Liberals are Terrorists"
"Iranians are Terrorists"
"Natives are Terrorists"
.... and so on ...

At this point I should mention that Caucasians love to call names to set themselves apart from "immoral non-Caucasians" ...

[Darth Rotor]

I'm getting a little bit sick and tired of the Jihadi-Claims over in the US.

So since this is a supposed Skeptic-Forum, let's get some facts straight:

My claim is that my fellow Caucasians are the biggest threat to humanity for following reasons:

1. Throughout History they conquered every possible Land they got their Hands on - pretty much giving a **** about their previous owners.

2. Caucasians are the ones who lead concerning polluting the world in all possible means, no matter if poisons, CO², deforestation, etc.

3. Caucasians are also historically famous for starting Wars, including those for "teh one and only God", killing "Terrorstate"-Citizens, starving innocents to death due to Embargo's - while claiming they are the Top of the moral World.

4. Because of the latter aspect, Caucasians also used every opportunity to portray themselves and their equally stupid religion as the better one/-s.

5. Plus I should mention that Caucasians have a huge reputation when it comes to other non-Caucasian interests: Those things are unimportant by default - according to the successful slogan: "We rule the world - and who the **** are you?".

Feel free to add some ugly facts about "teh white race"...
Great, a self hating Aryan posts.

Thanks, Oliver, for your amusing thread.

DR

[Oliver]

But he's a black liberal, right?

Nope - he's acting like a white liberal unless you take his foreign policy stance into account. In this regard, he clearly represents Caucasian ideologies rather than representing his Black people.

[On the other Hand, Obama couldn't win with non-Caucasian Ideas, take "Wright", for example...]

[Oliver]

Great, a self hating Aryan posts.

Thanks, Oliver, for your amusing thread.

DR


BS. I actually believe in science - thanks to their reputation and evidence about the origin of human civilization. Therefore I have no problem to accept that my very first ancestors came from Africa as well. Therefore - the Term Aryan isn't in any way compelling to me. Basically it's the "intelligent design" for people with "white above others"-color ... basically baseless.

And I'm fully aware of -and expected- the amusement-factor of this thread. But I would like to hear some self-skepticism/-criticism as well. We Caucasions cannot say that our history is flawless, can we nevertheless?

[BPSCG]

So what? - "Obama isn't as black as blacks used to be". That's no skeptical argument at all, is it? :confused:Oliver, pardon me, but I don't believe you would recognize a skeptical argument if it walked up to you with the words SKEPTICAL ARGUMENT written on its forehead.

I don't believe you would recognize a skeptical argument if it kicked you in the nuts with size 14 honnailed boots while singing, "I'm a skeptical argument" to the Freude schoene gotterfunken tune in Beethoven's Ninth Symphony.

From what I read so far about you, you're preferring the Caucasian way of "...and who the **** are you?" - if I'm not mistaken about your rather intolerant remarks in other threads.

So according to what I read so far, you're more a Caucasian than one of the 75% of liberal Jewish people in America who are indeed opposed to the Caucasian Warmongering which proves my point of self-critical view.Pardon me while I spend the next half hour trying to find out if there's any sense at all to the above.

Nah, never mind. Look! There's a squirrel outside my window!

[Undesired Walrus]

By the way: Do we even have any Non-Caucasian people in here?

Myself and everyone else here except from you it seems. It doesn't exist Oliver. It is shunned by anthropology and science.

[Pardalis]

It's pretty easy:

The Caucasian way of thinking always was: "We are right, you are wrong ... no matter what".

For example:

"Jews are threatening"
"Blacks are apes"
"Asians are Terrosrists"
"Natives are Terrorists"
"Communists are Terrorists"
"Muslim Ideologies are Terrorist-Ideologies"
"Palestinians are Terrorists"
"Liberals are Terrorists"
"Iranians are Terrorists"
"Natives are Terrorists"
.... and so on ...

At this point I should mention that Caucasians love to call names to set themselves apart from "immoral non-Caucasians" ...

Let me get this straight.

Caucasians: Jews, North Americans, Europeans, Australians, Obama.

non-Caucasians: Jews, Blacks, Communists, Liberals, Iranians, Arabs, Natives, Natives, Muslims, Asians, terrorists, Ron Paul.

Is that pretty much it?

[Oliver]

Oliver, pardon me, but I don't believe you would recognize a skeptical argument if it walked up to you with the words SKEPTICAL ARGUMENT written on its forehead.

I don't believe you would recognize a skeptical argument if it kicked you in the nuts with size 14 honnailed boots while singing, "I'm a skeptical argument" to the Freude schoene gotterfunken tune in Beethoven's Ninth Symphony.

Pardon me while I spend the next half hour trying to find out if there's any sense at all to the above.

Nah, never mind. Look! There's a squirrel outside my window!


Well - I'm waiting for a skeptical moment from you regarding the topic.
So far, you refuse to see enslavement, degradation, pollution and colonization as a problem. From what I remember, you're rather going to blame Muslims for the evil of the world.

This surely makes a lovely, Caucasian Boot liking Lemming, but even if you think I wouldn't see skepticism if it would ring at my front door, you certainly fail to understand the topic and it's self-criticism as well - besides your claim that the Caucasian ideology of the persecution of Jews was terrible. But you fail to refute those Ideologies when it comes to Aborigines, Blacks, Arabs, Persians, "Communists", Native US-Americans in this thread.

So let me guess: "They are not Jews!".

Ridiculous, doesn't your Anti-Caucasian Mind agree? :confused:

[Radrook]

Seems like USA blacks want to include as many people as possible in their club but USA whites want to keep as many people as possible out. Curious phenomenon!

BTW
Elvis was part Cherokee.

[WildCat]

It's pretty easy:

The Caucasian way of thinking always was: "We are right, you are wrong ... no matter what".

For example:

"Jews are threatening"
"Blacks are apes"
"Asians are Terrosrists"
"Natives are Terrorists"
"Communists are Terrorists"
"Muslim Ideologies are Terrorist-Ideologies"
"Palestinians are Terrorists"
"Liberals are Terrorists"
"Iranians are Terrorists"
"Natives are Terrorists"
.... and so on ...

At this point I should mention that Caucasians love to call names to set themselves apart from "immoral non-Caucasians" ...
Interesting, everyone is a terrorist except for blacks, who are apes.

The window to Oliver's mind is fascinating.

eta: and Jews are threatening.

[Oliver]

Myself and everyone else here except from you it seems. It doesn't exist Oliver. It is shunned by anthropology and science.

Where are your Ancestors from, UD? And may I ask you for your forename as well in this rather personal claim of yours?

[Oliver]

Let me get this straight.

Caucasians: Jews, North Americans, Europeans, Australians, Obama.

non-Caucasians: Jews, Blacks, Communists, Liberals, Iranians, Arabs, Natives, Natives, Muslims, Asians, terrorists, Ron Paul.

Is that pretty much it?


Actually - nope: Just look at the Canadian Natives and the respect they got from Caucasian point of View so far... (Aka: We rule your country - shut up in your freakin' reservates.)

Never heard about that, right? :rolleyes:

[Pardalis]

Is Ron Paul a Caucasian?

[Darth Rotor]

BS. I actually believe in science - thanks to their reputation and evidence about the origin of human civilization. Therefore I have no problem to accept that my very first ancestors came from Africa as well.
Irrelevant to the topic.
Therefore - the Term Aryan isn't in any way compelling to me. Basically it's the "intelligent design" for people with "white above others"-color ... basically baseless.
You opened with broad and basically useless categorization, I thought I'd play along. What's the matter, you don't care for the goose and gander model, Oliver? You are being fed what you serve.
And I'm fully aware of -and expected- the amusement-factor of this thread.
Right. Trolling on purpose. To your credit, it was a very effective troll. I grade you an A-, and I am a tough grader.
But I would like to hear some self-skepticism/-criticism as well.
Rubbish. Leopards don't change their spots.
We Caucasions cannot say that our history is flawless, can we nevertheless?
Who is this we, Aryan, that permits you to move the goalposts toward some vacuous assumption of presumed flawless history by parties unknown? Your alleged appeal to skepticism is contradicted in that very sentence.

As a nightclub act, you get the hook, despite a well crafted trolling opener.

DR

[Oliver]

Interesting, everyone is a terrorist except for blacks, who are apes.

The window to Oliver's mind is fascinating.

eta: and Jews are threatening.


I actually used typical Caucasian Quotes. It really would surprise me if you aren't aware of those Statements like "Blacks are Apes (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Blacks+are+Apes&btnG=Search)" and "Jews are a threat to Germany (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jewish+threat+germany+nazis&btnG=Search)".

Never heard that from Caucasians trying to put themselves into a better moral light than Non-Caucasians, right?

[Oliver]

Is Ron Paul a Caucasian?

Surprisingly enough: Paul has German ancestors and in contradiction to this Caucasian Root, he is actually opposed to it. I call Caucasian-Hater at this point. ;)

[Undesired Walrus]

First of all: Canada, Australia and America aren't Europeans - even if they also hold Caucasian Ideologies. Therefore it wouldn't make sense to blame Europeans for their very own historical Ideologies when it comes to Countries that expanded those views outside of Europe.

In other Words: Caucasian Idiology has it's roots in Europe - but it still exists in those mentioned countries as well - given the fact that their roots are European as well.


Does anyone think Oliver realises how little sense he is making?

I provide the above as a case study. It makes me imagine a man forcing a right shoe onto his left foot against all the odds.

[Pardalis]

Surprisingly enough: Paul has German ancestors and in contradiction to this Caucasian Root, he is actually opposed to it. I call Caucasian-Hater at this point. ;)

But he's a Caucasian?

[Eskarina]

I'm still trying to figure out what the OP is all about,

but FWIW:

I hereby officially apologise for Oliver. :o

*handing out diplomatical notes en masse*

[Doctor Evil]

Does anyone think Oliver realises how little sense he is making?

I provide the above as a case study. It makes me imagine a man forcing a right shoe onto his left foot against all the odds.

I have a better image, of a man putiing his right shoe into his mouth. :footinmou

[Oliver]

Irrelevant to the topic.

You opened with broad and basically useless categorization, I thought I'd play along. What's the matter, you don't care for the goose and gander model, Oliver? You are being fed what you serve.

Right. Trolling on purpose. To your credit, it was a very effective troll. I grade you an A-, and I am a tough grader.

Rubbish. Leopards don't change their spots.

Who is this we, Aryan, that permits you to move the goalposts toward some vacuous assumption of presumed flawless history by parties unknown? Your alleged appeal to skepticism is contradicted in that very sentence.

As a nightclub act, you get the hook, despite a well crafted trolling opener.

DR

DR


So Germans are still upholding their former common Nazi-Ideologies according to your "Leopard-Spot"-Analogy? :confused:

I still didn't move any goalpost. The topic is pretty clear: "Caucasian history is a human disaster".

You still failed to point this out as well - despite the fact that your intelligence is actually able to accept things you don't like - even if you know that I indeed have a point here.

By the way: What is an Aryan according to you? For me, everyone who thinks he's better than Others basically is an Aryan as well.

[Undesired Walrus]

Oliver, pardon me, but I don't believe you would recognize a skeptical argument if it walked up to you with the words SKEPTICAL ARGUMENT written on its forehead.

I don't believe you would recognize a skeptical argument if it kicked you in the nuts with size 14 honnailed boots while singing, "I'm a skeptical argument" to the Freude schoene gotterfunken tune in Beethoven's Ninth Symphony.


How do I nominate for pith?

[Oliver]

But he's a Caucasian?


His Grandfather was from Germany - but he acknowledges the Caucasian Nonsense nevertheless. So my assumption would be that he may be Caucasian given his ancestors, but he refuses to go "the Caucasian way of life".

But anyway: Paul is an individual - not a major Ideology. So why would you try to make him an Issue in here if this thread is about Ideology, not Individuals?

[Pardalis]

Oliver, he's either a Caucasian or he is not. Pick one.

[Undesired Walrus]

Where are your Ancestors from, UD? And may I ask you for your forename as well in this rather personal claim of yours?

I have no idea where one side of my grandparents were from. They could have been from Palestine for all I know. Looking in the mirror, this seems unlikely, but why should I have to determine what I 'am' because of what seems likely?

[Pardalis]

but he refuses to go "the Caucasian way of life".

What has he done for the Native American nations?

If he's elected president, is he promising to give the land back to them?

[Darth Rotor]

So Germans are still upholding their former common Nazi-Ideologies according to your "Leopard-Spot"-Analogy? :confused:
The Leopard and Spots bit refers to Oliver.
I still didn't move any goalpost. The topic is pretty clear: "Caucasian history is a human disaster".
By the way: What is an Aryan according to you? For me, everyone who thinks he's better than Others basically is an Aryan as well.
Educate yourself, and please read what I told you about useless categories in my previous response. Caucasian as you have chosen to use it in your Troll OP is a useless category for a discussion, and so is Aryan.

As I said, and I am repeating this due to your deliberate obtuseness, I am feeding you the same flavored swill that you are putting out, for the express reason that you deserve no better.

DR

[Darth Rotor]

How do I nominate for pith?

Hit the nominate button, and in the title of the post that pops up, or in the text, or both, indicate that you nominate for pith.

Tricky will take it from there. He's a good TLA Dictator. :)

DR

[Undesired Walrus]

For me, everyone who thinks he's better than Others basically is an Aryan as well.

So therefore you will be willing to state that Genghis Khan was an Aryan?

[Oliver]

I'm still trying to figure out what the OP is all about,

but FWIW:

I hereby officially apologise for Oliver. :o

*handing out diplomatical notes en masse*


Why would you apologize if you don't even get the threads issue?`:confused:

This thread, and I translate it into German at this point, is about:

All die unangenehmen historischen Fakten bezüglich Europäern und deren Abkömmlingen in den "Neuen Welten" wie Nord- und Südamerika - und Australien. Zum Beispiel folgende Dinge:

Sklaverei (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sklaverei)
Holocaust (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust)
Umweltverschmutzung (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umweltverschmutzung)
Ignoranz bezüglich ausländischer Meinungen (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selbstbild)
Kolinialismus/Imperialismus (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolonialismus)
Ausgrenzung Einheimischer: A. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_Australian) - B. (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianer)

All dies bezieht sich auf eine typische Einstellung, die sich im englisch-sprachigen Raum unter dem Begriff: "Caucasian Race" umschreiben lässt:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

[Oliver]

So therefore you will be willing to state that Genghis Khan was an Aryan?


While you still refuse to address the main point of this thread, which is about Idealism rather than individuals, if any Individual in History stated or is stating that's he's an "Aryan", so be it. It has, however, nothing to do with the general Ideology and History of Caucasians what Ghengis Khan - unless you're able to point out that Ghengis Khan did more harm to Humanity than the Caucasians generally did...

[BPSCG]

I'm still trying to figure out what the OP is all about, Don't. For that way lies insanity.

but FWIW:

I hereby officially apologise for Oliver. :o

*handing out diplomatical notes en masse*Well, unless Oliver is either your agent or your sock puppet, we don't blame you, so no apology is required.

As long as you're a caucasian. Being caucasian means never having to say you're sorry.

[Pardalis]

If Ron Paul refuses the Caucasian ideology, then what has he done, and what does he propose to do for the Native American nations?

[WildCat]

Paul is an individual
Just like Martin Luther King Jr.!!!1!1!1!!!1!!!11

[Oliver]

Don't. For that way lies insanity.

Well, unless Oliver is either your agent or your sock puppet, we don't blame you, so no apology is required.

As long as you're a caucasian. Being caucasian means never having to say you're sorry.


Nope, and despite the fact that you didn't answer my post to you yet - that's incorrect. There are indeed Caucasian voices against Caucasian Interests. That doesn't mean that you prefer to uphold the Caucasian banner which - in your case - seems to be:

"We are Germans, you are Jews. See you in Hell!"
"We are Americans, you are Iranians. See you in Hell!"
"We are right-wing Jews, you are Palestinians. See you in Hell!"
"We are Whites, you are Blacks. See you in Hell!".
"We are Patriots, you are friggin' troublemakin' Natives. See you in Hell!"

[BPSCG]

If I'm not a caucasian, can I convert? I mean, the caucasians are just kicking everyone else's asses, and I want to be on the winning team.

[Oliver]

If Ron Paul refuses the Caucasian ideology, then what has he done, and what does he propose to do for the Native American nations?


Seriously? Who the heck is Ron Paul??? :confused:

Do you even acknowledge that History isn't about the last 5 days? So what are you trying to ignore by pointing out Individuals in contrast to the Ideology I'm talking about since I started this thread?

You're smarter than that, Goury.

So getting back to a Caucasion POV you probably understand the following question - being a Canadian: What is your stance - what is their Native Canadian stance and rights?

[Pardalis]

So getting back to a Caucasion POV you probably understand being a Canadian: What is your stance - what is their stance and rights?


Why are you asking me? I am but a mere individual.

And I'm also 1/32 black, and a social democrat, so I'm confused.

[Doctor Evil]

Why are you asking me? I am but a mere individual.

And I'm also 1/36 black, and a social democrat, so I'm confused.

You seem to miss the point. You disagree with Oliver, therefore you have a Caucasian POV. This means you are Evil, just like me.

BTW, I need new recruits for me next evil plan to rule the world. Wanna join? ;)

[Eskarina]

Why would you apologize if you don't even get the threads issue?`:confused:

Because you haven't been able to explain your POV in five pages in this thread.

This thread, and I translate it into German at this point, is about:

All die unangenehmen historischen Fakten bezüglich Europäern und deren Abkömmlingen in den "Neuen Welten" wie Nord- und Südamerika - und Australien. Zum Beispiel folgende Dinge:

Sklaverei (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sklaverei)
Holocaust (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust)
Umweltverschmutzung (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umweltverschmutzung)
Ignoranz bezüglich ausländischer Meinungen (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selbstbild)
Kolinialismus/Imperialismus (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolonialismus)
Ausgrenzung Einheimischer: A. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_Australian) - B. (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianer)

All dies bezieht sich auf eine typische Einstellung, die sich im englisch-sprachigen Raum unter dem Begriff: "Caucasian Race" umschreiben lässt:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

The Lingua Franca on this forum is English, and I consider it common courtesy to write in English here (the odd joke in native languages not considered) and also post links in English if possible.

So, shall we talk now about the crusades of "Caucasians" against their own - like killing heretics, e.g., the witch-hunts and even the holocaust? The feudal system in Europe during the Dark Ages and even later on is also nothing to be proud of.

[Oliver]

If I'm not a caucasian, can I convert? I mean, the caucasians are just kicking everyone else's asses, and I want to be on the winning team.


I'm deadly serious here, BPSCG:

While Israel has an advantage right now due to the successful campaigning - the support in the rest of the World is declining - which may hit Israel one day or another. But all in all it isn't a wise choice to go the hard, "Neo-Republican" way if you're seriously trying to give Israel a chance.

Personally I tend to think that America should give Nevada or any other Israel-like place to the Zionists to settle them once and for all - but unfortunately, they allied with "Jesus-religious Nuts" and people who uphold the Caucasian Banner of "We give a **** about your interests".

So no matter if you're opposed or supporting the 25% of American-Jewish citizens who go with the Caucasian Ideology - in the End you will lose that way.

And I'm sorry to point that out. You should go with your jewish Part that knows for a fact, that oppression is wrong, no matter if it's about Jews, Arabs, Blacks, Asians or Natives.

And before you answer. Reread my post to find your hearts feelings about what I said. I already know your Minds reply...

[plumjam]

"What the **** is this thread about?"

About 5 pages, and growing fast.
It perfectly demonstrates the expansionist tendencies of caucasian culture.

[BPSCG]

And I'm also 1/32 black, and a social democrat, so I'm confused.That's because you got teh stoopids, too.

Maybe you and me can be a club.

We iz teh stoopidz and...

[WildCat]

You seem to miss the point. You disagree with Oliver, therefore you have a Caucasian POV. This means you are Evil, just like me.

BTW, I need new recruits for me next evil plan to rule the world. Wanna join? ;)
Now now, you rogue types never get very far. And besides, we here at the New World Order don't like competition. But as it so happens, we have an opening for a Doctor Evil in our International Banking Conspiracy Dept. Just leave your resume on my secretary's desk.

[WildCat]

Personally I tend to think that America should give Nevada or any other Israel-like place to the Zionists to settle them once and for all - but unfortunately, they allied with "Jesus-religious Nuts" and people who uphold the Caucasian Banner of "We give a **** about your interests".
Can posts from Social Issues & Current Events be nominated for a Stundie?




eta: Oh, and yes Nevada is just like Israel Oliver! The oceanfront property is magnificent in Nevada.

[Oliver]

Because you haven't been able to explain your POV in five pages in this thread.

The Lingua Franca on this forum is English, and I consider it common courtesy to write in English here (the odd joke in native languages not considered) and also post links in English if possible.

So, shall we talk now about the crusades of "Caucasians" against their own - like killing heretics, e.g., the witch-hunts and even the holocaust? The feudal system in Europe during the Dark Ages and even later on is also nothing to be proud of.


I also prefer to write in English here - unless there is no way to translate a typical German phrase - or I fail to translate what I had in my in German thinking mind... :">

And I didn't fail during the first 5 Pages. The OP is clear about the topic - and despite the fact that the replies are exactly what I suspected, namely a huge outcry and attempts to attack me rather than the OP, History proves my point.

So I still wait for some "Black, Red, Colored People" to take the chance as well and to point out the Caucasians hypocrisy.

[Eskarina]

I'm deadly serious here, BPSCG:

Must. Resist. Aaaaaarrrggghhh! Cannot. Resist.

You sound like L. Ron Hubbard.

[Oliver]

Can posts from Social Issues & Current Events be nominated for a Stundie?


It can - once you managed to rather ridicule the OP's facts than to ridicule yourself by playing the "Attack the Messenger, not the Message"-Card. That's the worst way to claim to be a Skeptic - and you certainly know that.

And I might add, that I have nothing against you - even if we might not agree on all issues...

[Oliver]

Must. Resist. Aaaaaarrrggghhh! Cannot. Resist.

You sound like L. Ron Hubbard.


So you're not going to address anything I wrote about the point I made - but merely prefers to attack the first sentence of my post? That's pretty lousy and dishonest, isn't it?

Reiß dich mal zusammen. Du schaffst das schon mit ein wenig skeptischer Hingabe...

[WildCat]

It can - once you managed to rather ridicule the OP's facts than to ridicule yourself by playing the "Attack the Messenger, not the Message"-Card. That's the worst way to claim to be a Skeptic - and you certainly know that.
Oliver, I'm commenting on your complete inability to describe this "Caucasian stance" you rail on about.

Can you, maybe, identify somebody famous who has this "Caucasian stance"?

[BPSCG]

I'm deadly serious here, BPSCG:Actually, there's some backchannel speculation going on as we speak regarding exactly that possibility.


While Israel has an advantage right now due to the successful campaigning - the support in the rest of the World is declining - which may hit Israel one day or another. But all in all it isn't a wise choice to go the hard, "Neo-Republican" way if you're seriously trying to give Israel a chance.
:confused: I'm half a Jew, but I'm zero point zero percent Israeli.


Personally I tend to think that America should give Nevada or any other Israel-like place to the Zionists to settle them once and for all Once and for all. The final solution, is that it?


- but unfortunately, they allied with "Jesus-religious Nuts" and people who uphold the Caucasian Banner of "We give a **** about your interests".
Ah, the Jewish-Fundamentalist-Christian-Arayan-Nation alliance. Of course, how could I have missed it? It was staring me in the face all this time! Only explanation for having missed it is I Got The Stoopids Again.

So no matter if you're opposed or supporting the 25% of American-Jewish citizens who go with the Caucasian Ideology - in the End you will lose that way.So which side should I jump to? I want to be with the winning team. You know what we caucasian ideologists say: "My country, right or wrong, and if it's wrong, you can go and :talk034: yourself!"


And I'm sorry to point that out. You should go with your jewish Part that knows for a fact, that oppression is wrong, no matter if it's about Jews, Arabs, Blacks, Asians or Natives.
Is that going to be the winning team?

And before you answer. Reread my post to find your hearts feelings about what I said. I already know your Minds reply...Wow. I can find out what my heart feels by reading the not-quite-coherent trollery of someone who's never met me and who really - I mean really - has no more clue about what kind of person I am than he does how to build an invisible pink unicorn.

FYI, Oliver, I am the world's leading authority on what my heart's feelings are. In fact, I am not just the leading authority; I am the only authority.

[Oliver]

Oliver, I'm commenting on your complete inability to describe this "Caucasian stance" you rail on about.

Can you, maybe, identify somebody famous who has this "Caucasian stance"?


"We're the God bless Us's - you're a Terrorist".
"We're Germans - you're Bolsheviks and Jews".
"We're the new Patriots over here - you're stupid Native "we give a **** about you's"
"We're the white moral Idols - you're the black apes with no serious, Caucasian Religion"
"We're having fun - you're the ones with environmental problems".
"We're going to run our economy based on your Oil - you're Terrorists".

More Caucasian Slogans?

[Oliver]

Actually, there's some backchannel speculation going on as we speak regarding exactly that possibility.

:confused: I'm half a Jew, but I'm zero point zero percent Israeli.

Once and for all. The final solution, is that it?

Ah, the Jewish-Fundamentalist-Christian-Arayan-Nation alliance. Of course, how could I have missed it? It was staring me in the face all this time! Only explanation for having missed it is I Got The Stoopids Again.

So which side should I jump to? I want to be with the winning team. You know what we caucasian ideologists say: "My country, right or wrong, and if it's wrong, you can go and :talk034: yourself!"

Is that going to be the winning team?

Wow. I can find out what my heart feels by reading the not-quite-coherent trollery of someone who's never met me and who really - I mean really - has no more clue about what kind of person I am than he does how to build an invisible pink unicorn.

FYI, Oliver, I am the world's leading authority on what my heart's feelings are. In fact, I am not just the leading authority; I am the only authority.


So you're saying you agree with today's Republican and AIPAC's stance on Iran while, at the same time, saying you don't care about Isreal? - That's funny, but doesn't disproof my claim that you uphold the Caucasion banner in contrast to your opposing 75% of liberal Jewish US-Citizens who actually care about Peace WITH taking the Palestinian (Caucasian-like)-oppression into account.

And no - there is no final solution than peace. Taking a quick look at the historically Caucasian approach of "we occupy your country - and who the heck are you?", I say that even if Bush claims to bring peace to Israel, he's pretty incompetent and impotent concerning current Israeli policies.

That's indeed a pretty Caucasian point of view as well.

Indeed - I never met you personally. But giving the fact that I remember your stance in here, even if you are not willing to add your Forename during the discussion, I have a hard time to refuse that you're the one being opposed to the majority of your fellow Jewish/half-Jewish US-citizens.

That's why I say that you're more of an Caucasian than someone who believes in equality when it comes to people who also had a similarly oppressed life.

I call that dishonesty and hypocrisy, and I'm sorry to point that out.

Caucasian thinking rules overthrew your rationality concerning equality and peace. [Not to mention the lack of skepticism here]

[Eskarina]

I also prefer to write in English here - unless there is no way to translate a typical German phrase - or I fail to translate what I had in my in German thinking mind... :">

And I didn't fail during the first 5 Pages. The OP is clear about the topic - and despite the fact that the replies are exactly what I suspected, namely a huge outcry and attempts to attack me rather than the OP, History proves my point.

So I still wait for some "Black, Red, Colored People" to take the chance as well and to point out the Caucasians hypocrisy.

And it doesn't give you pause to think that you haven't gotten a reply from "Black, Red (have you read too much Karl May in your youth?), Colored People" supporting your fantasy?

And since when is "You're either with us or against us? unique to "Caucasians"? Ever read the bibble? Come to think of it, the biblical god - or the authors - didn't even care much if people were with him (see Lot and Job).

[Eskarina]

So you're not going to address anything I wrote about the point I made - but merely prefers to attack the first sentence of my post? That's pretty lousy and dishonest, isn't it?

Oh, no it isn't. And you do sound like Hubbard stating at the introduction to "History Of Man" that it is "a cold blooded look at your last 60 trillion years."

Reiß dich mal zusammen. Du schaffst das schon mit ein wenig skeptischer Hingabe...

Skeptical devotion? Isn't that an oxymoron?

[mrbaracuda]

:scared:You guys are lucky you can't comprehend German. He's even stranger and strangely intimidating when writing in German telling people like Eskarina s/he can.. do it.. with a little.. skeptic commitment.

[Gurdur]

Because the "Big Powers" is exactly what I describe as "Caucasian Ideology".


How strange predictable. Oliver is now using the same vocabulary, and some of the same claims, as the White Power freaks, the ones who are claiming all the time that "whites" are endangered.

"Caucasian Ideology"? What a laugh. "Caucasian"? What a giggle.

[Oliver]

The Leopard and Spots bit refers to Oliver.


Educate yourself, and please read what I told you about useless categories in my previous response. Caucasian as you have chosen to use it in your Troll OP is a useless category for a discussion, and so is Aryan.

As I said, and I am repeating this due to your deliberate obtuseness, I am feeding you the same flavored swill that you are putting out, for the express reason that you deserve no better.

DR


No. Americans using Blacks to do their hard work - to fight the native people and claim they are Godless junk, the Australian Caucasians not caring about aborigines interests, to go on and favor top-nazis due to paper-clip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip), to claim that Global warming is just an unproven claim, to say that we are the "Gooddoers" and the ones we bombard and "embargonize" are the Terrorists, the point that we say we would oppose Dictatorship in the name of Democracy while looking away in Dafur and Zimbabwe, the claim that we will free the Asian and Iraqi people while at the same time killing millions/hundred thousands of them and so on - all comes down to the typical Caucasian POV: "So what, we're still trying to get an advantage - your concerns are irrelevant."

That's what History points out about Caucasians. It doesn't matter what you think about me at this point - give it a try and actually address the OP's historical context...

[Oliver]

And it doesn't give you pause to think that you haven't gotten a reply from "Black, Red (have you read too much Karl May in your youth?), Colored People" supporting your fantasy?

And since when is "You're either with us or against us? unique to "Caucasians"? Ever read the bibble? Come to think of it, the biblical god - or the authors - didn't even care much if people were with him (see Lot and Job).


What fantasy?

Caucasians caused:

36,000,000 deaths in WW2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ww2)
1,033,000 deaths in Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_war)
2,750,000 deaths in Vietnam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_war)
Hundredthousands of killed or victimized Native Americans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_colonization_of_the_Americas)
Tens of thousands deaths during the Caucasian Apartheid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid)
4,000,000 slaves during the European occupation of the US (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States)

And on and on and on...

Where the heck is this fantasy? Are you playing stupid - or merely uneducated/naive.

The point still is that Caucasians are far more dangerous than the rest of the World, including the Jihadists.

Your try to ignore historical facts is what exactly ....

[Oliver]

How strange predictable. Oliver is now using the same vocabulary, and some of the same claims, as the White Power freaks, the ones who are claiming all the time that "whites" are endangered.

"Caucasian Ideology"? What a laugh. "Caucasian"? What a giggle.


See my last post - debunk it's facts, go on with another thread.... :p

[WildCat]

"We're Germans - you're Bolsheviks and Jews". More Caucasian Slogans?
What race were the Bolsheviks?

[WildCat]

What fantasy?

Caucasians caused:

36,000,000 deaths in WW2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ww2)
So the 20,000,000 dead Chinese weren't from the Japanese after all, but from "Caucasians"?

[Pardalis]

4,000,000 slaves during the European occupation of the US (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States)

European occupation of the US? What does that mean?

[Gurdur]

What race were the Bolsheviks?


WildCat, if Oliver knew anything, you would be plumb out of luck on this one, since Stalin, being a Georgian, was in fact a Caucasian.
_________

See my last post - debunk it's facts,


Facts? Ha ha ha ha. "Caucasian Ideology"? How are your new weiße Schnursenkel fitting?


go on with another thread.... :p


No. :p

[WildCat]

Oliver, why did the San live in deserts by 1000 AD?

Why did the Chickasaw Indians live in fortified villages in pre-Columbian times?

[Oliver]

What race were the Bolsheviks?


A non-German-non-Aryan/Caucasian-Race at the time. What race where the Jews, Blacks, Natives, Asians during the times when we Caucasians didn't gave a **** about them?

http://www.hamienet.com/26854_Who-Wants-to-be-a-Millionaire.mid :rolleyes:

[Eskarina]

What race were the Bolsheviks?

And how many of those 36,000,000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ww2) in Oliver's last post were "Caucasian"?

[WildCat]

European occupation of the US? What does that mean?
You know, like when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

[Eskarina]

A non-German-non-Aryan/Caucasian-Race at the time. What race where the Jews, Blacks, Natives, Asians during the times when we Caucasians didn't gave a **** about them?

http://www.hamienet.com/26854_Who-Wants-to-be-a-Millionaire.mid :rolleyes:

Bolsheviks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolshevik) are a race?

[Oliver]

European occupation of the US? What does that mean?


It means that America including Canada an the south part was already occupied by natives before European Caucasians came across...

How uneducated are you about your very own History, Goury? :boggled:

[WildCat]

And how many of those 36,000,000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ww2) in Oliver's last post were "Caucasian"?
Details, details... the point is Oliver's courageous stand against the Caucasian stance using skeptical critical thinking about stuff he made up about history.

[WildCat]

It means that America including Canada an the south part was already occupied by natives before European Caucasians came across...
Why were so many of them living in fortified villages before that happened?

[Pardalis]

It means that America including Canada an the south part was already occupied by natives before European Caucasians came across...

How uneducated are you about you very own History, Goury? :boggled:

Are you saying that America (the continent) is being "occupied" injustly, today?

Are you saying America the country is an occupying force?

[Oliver]

And how many of those 36,000,000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ww2) in Oliver's last post were "Caucasian"?


I will answer as soon you at least give it a try and address a whole post rather than nitpicking. Be a Skeptic once in a while...

[Oliver]

Are you saying that America (the continent) is being "occupied" injustly, today?

Are you saying America the country is an occupying force?


Nope - it basically was the European-Caucasian stance that led to the occupation of America, Canada, South-America and Australia. Nevertheless, it was the continuation of Caucasian interests - thanks to the fact that the new citizens acted on behalf their Caucasian Ancestors and Education.

And yes: It was unjust back then just like if I take away your House for no other reason than giving a **** about your wishes...

So why are you trying to sweep the Native Canadian Fate under the carpet? ...

... Inconvenient?

[Eskarina]

Are you saying that America (the continent) is being "occupied" injustly, today?

I'm sure he is. And I'm also sure that he'll gladly accept all former non-native Americans (as in "non-Indians") in his own home and support them. Hey, and he surely has got some place for former Australians as well.

Just as I'm sure France will welcome me as a long-lost daughter as my great-great-great-grandmother paternal side was driven out of France for being a Huegenot.

[Pardalis]

Nevertheless, it was the continuation of Caucasian interests - thanks to the fact that the new citizens acted on behalf their Caucasian Ancestors and Education.

And yes: It was unjust back then just like if I take away your House for no other reason than giving a **** about your wishes...

So in effect, by supporting Ron Paul, a self-described American patriot and "constitutionalist", you are supporting the Caucasian ideology?

So why are you trying to sweep the Native Canadian Fate under the carpet? ...

... Inconvenient?Again, what is Ron Paul proposing for the Native American nations?

[WildCat]

Oliver, why did the San live in deserts by 1000 AD?

Why did the Chickasaw Indians live in fortified villages in pre-Columbian times?
Oliver?

[Eskarina]

I will answer as soon you at least give it a try and address a whole post rather than nitpicking. Be a Skeptic once in a while...

I am a sceptic, that's why I am asking, dear.

You make the claim, you come up with the evidence, remember?

So, how many of those 36,000,000 people killed during WWII were "Caucasian" and how many of them were killed by other "Caucasians"?

Once you've answered that we can move unto your next point.

And since when is "You're either with us or against us?" a "Caucasian" prerogative?

[Oliver]

So in effect, by supporting Ron Paul, a self-described American patriot and "constitutionalist", you are supporting the Caucasian ideology?

Again, what is Ron Paul proposing for the Native American nations?


Ron Paul has nothing to do with the Caucasian History - if at all, he's just a side-note on Histories recent Papers.

Why are you ignoring the Caucasian Ideology - including Canada's treatment of Natives, and are trying to make a non-topic point about a non-influential individual in the current presidential race?

Distraction much?

[Gurdur]

Are Zionists Caucasians, Oliver? :)

[Oliver]

Oliver?


I already answered your question some way back - look it up...

[Gurdur]

... the current presidential race

The presidential race is, lemme guess, Caucasian? :)

[Oliver]

Are Zionists Caucasians, Oliver? :)


Basically - nope - but they're obviously trying the Caucasian way - at least the radical ones.

So you got nothing else to address concerning the OP? :rolleyes:

[Undesired Walrus]

"We're the God bless Us's - you're a Terrorist".
"We're Germans - you're Bolsheviks and Jews".
"We're the new Patriots over here - you're stupid Native "we give a **** about you's"
"We're the white moral Idols - you're the black apes with no serious, Caucasian Religion"
"We're having fun - you're the ones with environmental problems".
"We're going to run our economy based on your Oil - you're Terrorists".


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[Oliver]

The presidential race is, lemme guess, Caucasian? :)


Nope - the current presidential race is about Flag-Pins, Priests, Women, Blacks, Age, Religion and Israel's Caucasian, radical-"no matter what"-foreign policies...

[SDC]

You know, you guys are being downright cruel to Oliver. I know it is hard, maybe impossible to resist. But it's like a bunch of overfed cats toying with the last mouse standing.

I'll also admit that the idea of a German lecturing Jews -- like me -- as to how they should act is still pretty damned galling.

[Doctor Evil]

Was the printing press invented to advance 'the Caucasian cause'?

Is science mainly Caucasian?

How do all these caucasians know how to work together? It seems to most of their wars against each other.

Oh, can you also tell us who exactly are these Caucasian radical Zionists?

Finally, are your Caucasians made out of straw?

[Chaos]

You know what I think, guys?

Oliver is actually a undercover operative from the Secret Greater Caucasian Conspiracy who was sent here to throw legitimate criticism of Caucasians wide-open to ridicule by presenting such an utterly stupid and incoherent straw case for it that nobody is ever going to take it serious. This is a false flag operation.



...what? This makes at least as much sense as what Oliver says.:p

[Eskarina]

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:big:

Stupid smilie, I know, but it's the best I can do for now (except hotlinking)!

[Oliver]

You know, you guys are being downright cruel to Oliver. I know it is hard, maybe impossible to resist. But it's like a bunch of overfed cats toying with the last mouse standing.

I'll also admit that the idea of a German lecturing Jews -- like me -- as to how they should act is still pretty damned galling.


Since I agree with the 75% of liberal Jewish-Us-Citizens in contrast to the radical pro-AIPAC/Neocons ones, I don't even know what you mean by that incredibly inconsistently-stupid remark.

Try again. Caucasians surely have a better historic reputation than -for example- Jihadists, right? :rolleyes:

[Doctor Evil]

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:eye-poppi

Batman is Caucasian. I should have known.

[Undesired Walrus]

No. Americans using Blacks to do their hard work -

Since when have blacks not been Americans?

[Oliver]

You know what I think, guys?

Oliver is actually a undercover operative from the Secret Greater Caucasian Conspiracy who was sent here to throw legitimate criticism of Caucasians wide-open to ridicule by presenting such an utterly stupid and incoherent straw case for it that nobody is ever going to take it serious. This is a false flag operation.

...what? This makes at least as much sense as what Oliver says.:p


Translation: "Hab keinen Bock um die Schandflecke der Europäer - und deren auswärtigen Nachfolger - in irgendeiner Form zu bestätigen, auch wenn ich derer aufgrund meiner historischen Fakten durchaus bewusst bin. Also um hier nicht einen schlechten Eindruck zu erwecken, blabber ich einfach mal drauf los anstatt mich des Themas anzunehmen.

Seltsam - und das ausgerechnet von einem betroffenen, nichtskeptischen "Caucasian" ... :rolleyes:

So you basically agree with the Caucasian policies concerning occupation, killing, oppression, slavery and pollution....?

...That's exactly what I expected from you and your fellow "self-praising" Caucasians... :)