$100 for physical evidence of chemtrail components

[parky76]

I, Mr. Parky76, will give $100 to the first person who can provide actual physical evidence of chemicals inside "chemtrails". That means they actually fly up there and scoop up some chemtrail..or can prove they have something on the ground that came from a chemtrail.

Thats right loonys, $100. Let the race begin.

=)

[~enigma~]

I, Mr. Parky76, will give $100 to the first person who can provide actual physical evidence of chemicals inside "chemtrails". That means they actually fly up there and scoop up some chemtrail..or can prove they have something on the ground that came from a chemtrail.

Thats right loonys, $100. Let the race begin.

=)
I have a can of diet pepsi that I got from a guy who's roommate's brother's girlfriend's cousin is a mechanic on the planes used to make chemtrails. Give me your mailing address and I'll send you the empty can and you can send my check :)

[BenBurch]

I was just rained on... As "chemtrails" are just condensation of water, I shall wring out my shirt and send you a few drops. Email me and I'll give you my PayPal account for the money... :D

[steve s]

I, Mr. Parky76, will give $100 to the first person who can provide actual physical evidence of chemicals inside "chemtrails".

=)

Careful how you word that. The exhaust gases (such as nitric oxide and sulfur dioxide) are chemicals.

Steve S.

[OldTigerCub]

I'm putting my cape and tights on as I type...though the approaching thunderstorm might hamper my.....Owww...Dang that hurt.....

Edit: Flight plan cancelled.

[Bob Blaylock]

I, Mr. Parky76, will give $100 to the first person who can provide actual physical evidence of chemicals inside "chemtrails". That means they actually fly up there and scoop up some chemtrail..or can prove they have something on the ground that came from a chemtrail.

Careful how you word that. The exhaust gases (such as nitric oxide and sulfur dioxide) are chemicals.


For that matter, water itself is a chemical, and so is air. So yes, indisputably, these “chemtrails” contain chemicals. For that matter, so do any sections of sky that don't have these “chemtrails”. The only thing that doesn't contain chemicals would be a vacuum.

I suppose Parky76's only out is a trick of semantics. It can be taken as proven that these “chemtrails” contain chemicals, unless one can come up with a plausible theory about how they could consist of vacuum. Obtaining a sample of air and/or water from a chemtrail, and proving that that is where it came from, is the difficult part.

[eromitlab]

What, pictures of contrails and planes aren't proof enough? :D

[parky76]

well, obviously i mean chemicals that would not normally be found within jetplane exhaust.
someone finds some SSRIs or sodium flouride, and I will pay up.

=)

[Apollo20]

parky76:

See Aerosol Science and Technology Vol 38 (4) pages 401 - 409, (2004)

And I claim the $100 prize for pointing this out to you...........

[TheDaver]

Sorry, “chemtrails” is one of those conspiracy fantasies that’s impossible to crack, because the fantasy revolves not so much around their composition, but around their reason for existing.

The CF goons, being as ignorant of chemistry as of everything else, will insist there’s a nefarious purpose behind these innocent byproducts of kerosene combustion.

[Apollo20]

TheDaver:

Well if you read the article I mentioned in my last post, (which was written by authors from NOAA, the University of Denver and Arizona State - not a bunch of "CF goons"), you will find that even the "experts" are puzzled by some of the species they find in cirrus clouds. Thus the referenced paper includes the confession: "We do not understand the source of the zinc."

Perhaps, if you are an atmospheric chemist, you could enlighten us all on this....

[1337m4n]

parky76:

See Aerosol Science and Technology Vol 38 (4) pages 401 - 409, (2004)

And I claim the $100 prize for pointing this out to you...........

I believe parky is looking for chemicals that are both

A: not normally found in jet exhaust, and

B: either harmful to people on the ground or capable of significantly influencing the weather

[1337m4n]

TheDaver:

Well if you read the article I mentioned in my last post, (which was written by authors from NOAA, the University of Denver and Arizona State - not a bunch of "CF goons"), you will find that even the "experts" are puzzled by some of the species they find in cirrus clouds. Thus the referenced paper includes the confession: "We do not understand the source of the zinc."

Perhaps, if you are an atmospheric chemist, you could enlighten us all on this....

Cirrus clouds are not jet exhaust...

[1337m4n]

I, Mr. Parky76, will give $100 to the first person who can provide actual physical evidence of chemicals inside "chemtrails". That means they actually fly up there and scoop up some chemtrail..or can prove they have something on the ground that came from a chemtrail.

Thats right loonys, $100. Let the race begin.

=)

I imagine the cost of running a high-altitude atmospheric study and a subsequent chemical analysis to be quite a bit larger than $100. Even somebody who successfully completes your challenge is ultimately going to lose money on the whole thing.

(or was that your intention? :D)

[GreNME]

In case anyone wants to actually look at the article in mention, it can be purchased at this link (http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a714587732~db=all~order=page) to the journal article itself. The following is a quote from its first page regarding what the article addresses: "Here we address a problem in aircraft sampling that has received less attention: false signals created when large particles such as ice crystals or dust particles impact the wall of an inlet. Our data indicate that ice crystals are capable of abrading submicron particles from a stainless steel inlet or the aircraft surface when they impact at aircraft velocities. They can also resuspend previously deposited particles."

It appears Apollo20 doesn't understand when she/he is looking at an article examining the effects of flying aircraft through clouds (namely cirrus clouds). No "confession" present within the article, and instead there's eight pages of interesting scientific research on the affect of aircraft in the sky.

[Apollo20]

But obviously the article's comment about there being "too much" zinc stands ...........

Dodge duly noted!

[GreNME]

But obviously the article's comment about there being "too much" zinc stands ...........

Dodge duly noted!

You're the only one who has dodged anything. You presented no evidence of chemtrails, only an article explaining wear and tear on aircraft and how that affects cirrus clouds.

So, yeah, I guess: dodge duly noted.

[I Ratant]

A photo of a gen-u-wine airplane instrument panel, showing the controls for the chemtrail disperser!
There can be NO doubt about this!
Be afwaid, be wery wery afwaid!

[OldTigerCub]

A photo of a gen-u-wine airplane instrument panel, showing the controls for the chemtrail disperser!
There can be NO doubt about this!
Be afwaid, be wery wery afwaid!

Is that what the control panels look like in these airplanes?
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1975747ab96e253eff.jpg

:p

[Sunstealer]

I was intrigued because I didn't know what a "chemtrail" was. I read the wiki entry and immediately assumed the "bow head, close eyes and squeeze temples using thumb and other fingers" pose. How can anyone believe this? It's so far fetched it just ridiculous. How on earth are you going to hide this? It would take tens if not hundreds of thousands of people to be in on it.

I worked a bit in Configuration for the A380. How on earth are you going to hide all the pipes, tanks, nozzles, electronics, and other systems from the configuration engineer who's task it is to know what parts make up the aircraft let alone all those other thousands of engineers designing and building the aircraft.

And your only willing to offer a measly $100.

[I Ratant]

Is that what the control panels look like in these airplanes?
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1975747ab96e253eff.jpg

:p

yes, those planes are seldom captured during the actual spraying operations, so treasure that image!
Ever since that warning 50 years ago.."Watch the skies!"... I've been looking up..
Chemtrailers!
There's 35 years between these two images of the -same- plane chem-trialing!

[parky76]

parky76:

See Aerosol Science and Technology Vol 38 (4) pages 401 - 409, (2004)

And I claim the $100 prize for pointing this out to you...........

does this article claim that all the big fat non-disapaiting clouds formed by airplanes are indeed chemtrails?

[Apollo20]

Excess zinc is all we need to discuss.

[TheDaver]

Excess zinc is all we need to discuss.
Okay, discuss.

How many PPM of zinc? Have you considered it may have come from from the engines, body or paint of the aircraft?

[Apollo20]

The "experts" who collected the samples considered all the obvious sources and concluded that they could not explain the excess zinc.

[Cuddles]

The "experts" who collected the samples considered all the obvious sources and concluded that they could not explain the excess zinc.

However, they also talked about cirrus clouds and not chemtrails, contrails or jet exhaust, so it has nothing to do with this thread.

[Shalamar]

The "experts" who collected the samples considered all the obvious sources and concluded that they could not explain the excess zinc.

So all it is.. is evidence of excess Zinc, and that they do not know where it came from.

I believe in order to claim the $100 prize, you need to prove that said zinc actually came from a 'chemtrail'. You have failed to do so. You need to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that adverse chemicals of one sort of another are being intentionally emitted from an aircraft flying at high altitudes.

[Apollo20]

Well since you guys are sure "chemtrails" don't exist, how can I prove that the zinc is from something you deny exists?

The point is simply that there is excess zinc in the upper atmosphere relative to other elements such as iron. And the iron CAN be accounted for by natural sources such as crustal dust and micrometeorites.

On the other hand it is reasonable to postulate that the excess zinc has been artificially introduced into the upper atmosphere by means unknown,....... but "chemtrails" are a real possibility.

[1337m4n]

Well since you guys are sure "chemtrails" don't exist, how can I prove that the zinc is from something you deny exists?


Nobody denies the existence of jet exhaust. Prove that there are hazardous, abnormal chemicals coming from jets.


The point is simply that there is excess zinc in the upper atmosphere relative to other elements such as iron. And the iron CAN be accounted for by natural sources such as crustal dust and micrometeorites.

On the other hand it is reasonable to postulate that the excess zinc has been artificially introduced into the upper atmosphere by means unknown,....... but "chemtrails" are a real possibility.

Right, but that's just speculation. Speculation is not enough to earn the prize; Parky wants cold hard proof:

, Mr. Parky76, will give $100 to the first person who can provide actual physical evidence of chemicals inside "chemtrails". That means they actually fly up there and scoop up some chemtrail..or can prove they have something on the ground that came from a chemtrail.

[Apollo20]

The "wager" by Mr. Parky76 is asinine, ("chemicals inside "chemtrails"", indeed!), as I have amply demonstrated,... so it is a non-issue for me, ......... and by the way, there is no mention of "hazardous chemicals" in said wager.

[I Ratant]

The lunatic idea behind "chemtrails" is the deliberate spraying of chemicals intended to do bad things to the people below.
What these chemicals are, and the existence of such a conspiracy, it's up to the lunatics to determine, in a way that sane people can accept.
It's not something to hold your breath waiting for.

[LashL]

The "wager" by Mr. Parky76 is asinine, ("chemicals inside "chemtrails"", indeed!), as I have amply demonstrated,... so it is a non-issue for me, ......... and by the way, there is no mention of "hazardous chemicals" in said wager.

You've demonstrated nothing but your own incompetence at reading comprehension.



Citing an article about cirrus clouds does not answer parky's question seeking evidence of chemtrails.

[Apollo20]

I Ratant:

I believe you are totally incorrect in your definition of "chemtrails".

Surely the original notion of a "chemtrail" was that something "chemical" is being sprayed into the atmosphere by high-altitude aircraft, without full disclosure to the public. Said chemicals may or may not have unwanted side-effects. But no one on this thread, (except you!), is saying that the chemicals are "intended to do bad things to the people below". Have you never heard of global warming mitigation strategies or ozone remediation? Sound like good ideas to me,... how about you?

Now please explain why there is excess zinc up there.... because if you can, you are better than the "experts"!

[Jontg]

TheDaver:

Well if you read the article I mentioned in my last post, (which was written by authors from NOAA, the University of Denver and Arizona State - not a bunch of "CF goons"), you will find that even the "experts" are puzzled by some of the species they find in cirrus clouds. Thus the referenced paper includes the confession: "We do not understand the source of the zinc."

Perhaps, if you are an atmospheric chemist, you could enlighten us all on this....
Well if you read the article I mentioned in my last post, (which was written by authors from NOAA, the University of Denver and Arizona State - not a bunch of "CF goons"), you will find that even the "experts" are puzzled by some of the species they find in cirrus clouds. Thus the referenced paper includes the confession: "We do not understand the source of the zinc."
Thus the referenced paper includes the confession: "We do not understand the source of the zinc."
"We do not understand the source of the zinc."
the source of the zinc
the zinc
zinc
ZINC

Fear the zinc.

[Sunstealer]

Focus on the Zinc, ignore everything else to do with the conspiracy like airlines ordering specially designed Zinc dispensing aircraft, the fact that transporting huge amounts of Zinc rather than fuel, cargo and passengers would cost $$$ and the whole Zinc infrastructure (similar in size to that of the fuel infrastructure) required to pull off such a farce. Remeber it's all about the Zinc focus on the Zinc baby.

[I Ratant]

And the effects of too much zinc on the body.
How much zinc is too much BTW?

[Nogbad]

Zinc deficiency is a bad thing. Perhaps some kindly aliens (is it the blues or the greys? I forget which are the good ones) are boosting our immune systems.

[GreNME]

I Ratant:

I believe you are totally incorrect in your definition of "chemtrails".

Surely the original notion of a "chemtrail" was that something "chemical" is being sprayed into the atmosphere by high-altitude aircraft, without full disclosure to the public. Said chemicals may or may not have unwanted side-effects. But no one on this thread, (except you!), is saying that the chemicals are "intended to do bad things to the people below". Have you never heard of global warming mitigation strategies or ozone remediation? Sound like good ideas to me,... how about you?

Whether it's good or bad is irrelevant, because you have yet to establish existence in the first place. While I might agree with you that the original question was poorly worded, you are still working from a predetermined conclusion without supporting evidence.

The article you mention makes it fairly clear that the scientists studying the existence of zinc in the atmosphere is due to some side effect of cirrus clouds and aircraft engines, which is why at the end of the article there are suggestions made regarding the coating of aircraft engines to mitigate the phenomenon. Why you are focusing so tightly on the zinc itself to the exclusion of the article as a whole (which I linked, so that anyone can read themselves) is bordering on nonsense and diversion.

Do you or do you not have any sort of conclusive evidence that "something "chemical" is being sprayed into the atmosphere by high-altitude aircraft, without full disclosure to the public" (your words), or do you not?

Now please explain why there is excess zinc up there.... because if you can, you are better than the "experts"!

The "experts" as you call them have a pretty certain idea of where the zinc is coming from, what they aren't sure of is why it's happening in some cloud types and not others, as well as trying to come up with a feasible mechanism to avoid it. The same applies to exhaust fumes that come from aircraft engines and even paint residues, but none of these constitute clandestine spraying of chemicals by aircraft by any agency whatsoever (be it government, private, or public). The world is a lot less scary if you learn to take these random semi-factoids you're trying to spit out into their proper context as provided by the very source you're citing.


ETA: well damn. Only after hitting submit did I realize I won't be getting a response.

[eeyore1954]

Now please explain why there is excess zinc up there.... because if you can, you are better than the "experts"!

Obviously exhaust from alien vehicles not chemtrails placed by humans. Although I do not know if I am better than an expert. But I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express many times.

[TheDaver]

I Ratant:

I believe you are totally incorrect in your definition of "chemtrails".

Surely the original notion of a "chemtrail" was that something "chemical" is being sprayed into the atmosphere by high-altitude aircraft, without full disclosure to the public. Said chemicals may or may not have unwanted side-effects. But no one on this thread, (except you!), is saying that the chemicals are "intended to do bad things to the people below". Have you never heard of global warming mitigation strategies or ozone remediation? Sound like good ideas to me,... how about you?

Now please explain why there is excess zinc up there.... because if you can, you are better than the "experts"!
Mr. Apollo, I'm here to inform you that your shoes have just been shipped.

Size 30 GG, bright red.

The nose, however, will be shipped later, as it has not yet arrived at our warehouse.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

If I remove all zinc from my diet, will I no longer love Big Brother?

[zaphod2016]

For your consideration:

http://www.fbodaily.com/archive/2007/03-March/22-Mar-2007/FBO-01255376.htm

National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) Kennedy Space Center (KSC) has a requirement for 21, 30-gallon drums of Dibrom 14 to control mosquitoes in outlying areas of KSC, where the use of aerial equipment is necessary to apply chemicals to areas impossible to spray without an aircraft.

Dibrom is in fact DEADLY POISON!! OMG!1!!2!

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:ReNjzP1sNh8J:www.afpmb.org/pubs/standardlists/labels/6840-01-270-9765_label.pdf+dibrom&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us&client=firefox-a

A few of the planes around here are actively spraying insecticide. I'm sure I can find some traces of Dibrom for you. How much do you need? Where should I send it?

Here is a picture of a C-130 leaving "chemtrails" of Dibrom directly over my house.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3045/2590826651_f98fdfa50e.jpg?v=0

If you prefer to get your Dibrom via black helicopter, I'm happy to oblige:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1356/1224988616_8394ed182d.jpg?v=0

For the sake a clarity: I'm totally in favor of genocide against mosquitoes. However, I believe I have won myself $100.

In addition to the Dibrom, I would be happy to videotape an interview with the "mosquito truck" next time it rolls past here. As you probably already guessed, the truck is in on the conspiracy too.

[zaphod2016]

How about this:

I will go mow the lawn, and send you some clippings in the mail. You can then test for traces of Dibrom. If the Dibrom is there, you can bet it was sprayed, in aerosol form, either from plane or truck. In either case, it came in the form of a white puffy cloud, or if you prefer, a chemtrail.

Rather than send me my $100, I would like you to make a $100 donation to JREF in the name of Alex Jones.

Fair enough?

[1337m4n]

Fear The Dibrom

[beachnut]

How about this:

I will go mow the lawn, and send you some clippings in the mail. You can then test for traces of Dibrom. If the Dibrom is there, you can bet it was sprayed, in aerosol form, either from plane or truck. In either case, it came in the form of a white puffy cloud, or if you prefer, a chemtrail.

Rather than send me my $100, I would like you to make a $100 donation to JREF in the name of Alex Jones.

Fair enough?
Failed!

You can not count what you let your state and local governments do to you.

This is not the chemtrails of the master chemtrail CT book mastermind!

http://www.willthomas.net/chemtrails/index.htm (http://www.willthomas.net/chemtrails/index.htm)

This is what you have to prove! http://www.willthomas.net/chemtrails/index.htm (http://www.willthomas.net/chemtrails/index.htm)

This guy is a trip, email him! He keeps up his chemtrail façade no matter what.


What we do to avoid the draft and make money! Pure nut case ideas for the sucker born every second. The real CT is the guys selling stuff to the mentally challenged, and I fear I have been in that group of buyers at least once (albeit not chemtrail books, yet fraud is insidious and comes in many forms.)

[zaphod2016]

I was sure I had you on a technicality. Judges? Bzzz. :mad:

However, I'm having trouble figuring out what this professional working journalist, this award-winning reporter who first broke this story is trying to tell me.

The provided PDF appears to be a series of screen shots from the "Delphion Integrated View". What the heck is Delphion? Let me guess: the NWO's custom OS?

According to the PDF abstract:

A method is described for reducing atmospheric or global
warming resulting from the presence of heat-trapping gases
in the atmosphere, i.e., from the greenhouse effect. Such
gases are relatively transparent to sunshine, but absorb
strongly the long-wavelength infrared radiation released by
the earth. The method incudes the step of seeding the layer
of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere with particles of
materials characterized by wavelength-dependent
emissivity. Such materials include Welsbach materials and
the oxides of metals which have high emissivity (and thus
low reflectivities) in the visible and 8-12 micron infrared
wavelength regions.

I ain't no fancy book-learnin' scientist, but this sounds to me like these "chemtrails" are part of some plan to combat global warming. I have no idea if this is sound science or gobidly gook, but at least it makes sense to me in theory- combine CHEMICAL X with CO2 in the atmosphere so the heat can escape back to space and save the polar bears in the process.

So, assuming this is legit, why the big secret? If Al Gore had revealed a plan this ambitious back in 2000, I might have voted for him.

CORRECTION: Delphion appears to be a search engine for patents.

http://www.delphion.com/

Honest question: if these methods would work, why aren't we doing this? It seems to me that a scientific solution to global warming is an easy sell compared to cap and trade.

UPDATE: I believe I have found this gentleman's very own conspiracy video:

"Chemtrails: Mystery Lines in the Sky"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMBnc8EJxKI

Broken into several parts. Linking to the FREE YouTube version because I'm bored, not stupid.

Conspiracy videos + rainy Saturday = happy zaphod

UPDATE 2: Science, or science fiction?

http://www.livescience.com/technology/050627_warming_solution.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,259590,00.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/blogBurst/environment?bbPostId=Cz5Ev0JdU2gZtB5hCCYBscaP5CzAg YhFBEoXugB3HTEks8LJqw

This last article explains why this idea is no good:

One of the most-discussed ideas, analyzed by Nobel laureate Paul Crutzen and other researchers, would be to regularly inject large amounts of Sun-blocking sulfate particles into the stratosphere. The goal would be to cool Earth's surface, much as sulfur particles from major volcanic eruptions in the past have resulted in reduced surface temperatures.

...

The new study concluded that, over the next few decades, hypothetical artificial injections of sulfates likely would destroy between about one-fourth to three-fourths of the ozone layer above the Arctic. This would affect a large part of the Northern Hemisphere because of atmospheric circulation patterns. The impacts would likely be somewhat less during the second half of this century because of international agreements that have essentially banned the production of ozone-depleting chemicals.

The sulfates would also delay the expected recovery of the ozone hole over the Antarctic by about 30 to 70 years, or until at least the last decade of this century, the authors conclude.

So if this last article is to be believed, the problem with the "chemtrails are being used to fix global warming" theory is that these chemtrails would simultaneously destroy the O-zone layer. D'oh! So close, and yet, so far.