Classic "fundy" scare tactics. [Archive]

EdipisReks

15th October 2003, 04:29 PM

the "Judgement House" looks incredibly retarded. not as bad as the plays some churches put on with actor playing homosexuals with dying w/AIDS and going to hell. the stuff makes me sick to my stomach. my major question is how do these fundies know what heaven and hell would be like? maybe Micheal Moorcock's view of Hell is the correct one, where Satan was given the position with absolutely no preparation, and he didn't know what to do with all these souls he recieved. he basically left them alone, and cities with fairly well off people sprang up. seems more realistic than a bunch of red guys with sticks poking people in the ass.

Nyarlathotep

15th October 2003, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by the_ignored
From Raptrure Ready (http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?postid=1239258#post1239258), where else?

I have to wonder exactly what these idjits hope to achieve. If someone who doesn't already buy into their nonsense walks through one of these 'Judgement houses' are they really likely to walk out believing? I can only speak for myself but since I don't believe in their God, telling me that God wil be very angry for my disbelief seems rather pointless.
Dramatizing it with a play about the horrors that await me for my disbelief is beyond pointless.

The depths of ignorance that these people exhibit never ceases to amaze me.

EdipisReks

15th October 2003, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep

The depths of ignorance that these people exhibit never ceases to amaze me.

maybe they should try a new tactic; "only a god could create the amount of ignorance we possess, so obviously there is a god". :D

Nyarlathotep

15th October 2003, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by EdipisReks

maybe they should try a new tactic; "only a god could create the amount of ignorance we possess, so obviously there is a god". :D

It amazes me that I HAVEN'T heard this one. Of course that which they call "Faith" I call "Ignorance" so I think I have heard it after all.

the_ignored

15th October 2003, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep

I have to wonder exactly what these idjits hope to achieve. If someone who doesn't already buy into their nonsense walks through one of these 'Judgement houses' are they really likely to walk out believing? I can only speak for myself but since I don't believe in their God, telling me that God wil be very angry for my disbelief seems rather pointless.
Dramatizing it with a play about the horrors that await me for my disbelief is beyond pointless.

The depths of ignorance that these people exhibit never ceases to amaze me.
Well, one of the posters there does claim that 30 people got "saved"?! :confused:

Nyarlathotep

15th October 2003, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by the_ignored

Well, one of the posters there does claim that 30 people got "saved"?! :confused:

Well, let's assume that 30 is an accurate number and let's assume that 'saved' means whatever that poster claims it means.

In that case (and I'm being as generous as can be), I would find it likely that every single one of those 30 were either people that had already accepted someother brand of Christian nonsense and were just switching from their old religion to the new one (because everyone knows that all those poor suckers in that church over there are dupes of Satan and are going to Hell) or they were people who hadn't yet picked a brand of nonsense to believe in but were looking for one.

Of course I don't know the poster or any of the thrity people but I would bet any amount of money that you care to name that I am right.

Yahweh

15th October 2003, 05:06 PM

This is one of the little things that make me laugh silently to myself...

Someone said:
My 4yr. old went and this was on Saturday. Last night at the dinner table she looked at me and out of the clear blue said, "Mom, I choose God."
At least this mother is an optimist, she really thinks her 4 year old daughter has any concept of what God might be before she even knows her times tables (how precious! :) ).

Marquis de Carabas

15th October 2003, 05:09 PM

I want to see a "Reincarnation House" which shows a good Christian working hard all his life to get into heaven, and then in the last scene, he's an extremely pissed-off marmoset.

Yahweh

15th October 2003, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
Well, let's assume that 30 is an accurate number and let's assume that 'saved' means whatever that poster claims it means.

In that case (and I'm being as generous as can be), I would find it likely that every single one of those 30 were either people that had already accepted someother brand of Christian nonsense and were just switching from their old religion to the new one (because everyone knows that all those poor suckers in that church over there are dupes of Satan and are going to Hell) or they were people who hadn't yet picked a brand of nonsense to believe in but were looking for one.

Of course I don't know the poster or any of the thrity people but I would bet any amount of money that you care to name that I am right.
Well, let's think realistically...

Did those 30 people go to that thing seeking to be saved? (If so, they would probably be agnostic.)

Were those 30 people atheists who just went "for fun", possibly to just to see what was going on? (I dont doubt atheists would go for fun - I might go myself if I couldnt save up enough money for a "good" haunted house ride - but I really doubt that any of these people were scared into religion.)

Is that "statistic" exagerrated or possibly fabricated? (Thats certainly a very likely possibility... or maybe Christians really are statistically much more moral than atheists :rolleyes:...)

Nyarlathotep

15th October 2003, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by Yahweh

Is that "statistic" exagerrated or possibly fabricated? (Thats certainly a very likely possibility... or maybe Christians really are statistically much more moral than atheists :rolleyes:...)

Oh, believe me, I figure that the figure may well be an exageration if not an outright lie. But I was trying to come up with a best case scenario for what the doofus had said.

Marquis de Carabas

15th October 2003, 05:22 PM

I'd be far more interested to check up on these alleged 30 salvations in a year's time and see how many of them still give a rat's mass about it. Shock salvations are cheap.

Dragonrock

16th October 2003, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Shock salvations are cheap.

I agree with that. When I "accepted Christ" during a "Left Behind" sermon series at my wife's church it was hard to let go. I was caught up in the moment and went with it. Afterwards everyone was fawning over me for months so I did not want it to end. I am embarassed about how easily I was dupped and how much I wanted it to be true. It's amazing what enormous amounts of attention will do to a person. After the fun wore off and I was just another church member I felt disgusted with how little self control I showed. I let my fear get away from me and thought that speaking the magic words would make me all better.

Checkmite

17th October 2003, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by the_ignored
From Raptrure Ready (http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?postid=1239258#post1239258), where else?

Read the entirety of that thread (it's only a page and a half long so far). Pay particular attention to the postings of a board member named "Ajani" - she's easy to spot, as all her text is in pink. Consider what she suggests, and then study the response to it from others in the thread. It saddens me a bit.

Nyarlathotep

17th October 2003, 01:51 PM

hgc

17th October 2003, 02:11 PM

Now here's a post from that thread, with a twist.I am a rededicated Christian and I personally refuse to hear about judgement right now because Satan has been using that against me to say that I am unsaved (I really can't hear it right now because I am safe from that judgement)

So I would not like to stumble

(By the way I am not justifying any outrageous sin in this, but I have to make peace with the fact that I am saved I have repented and right now that is very difficult...)I'm not sure what this person is saying, but I think he's saying that that fire & brimstone preaching is Satanic because it attempts to discredit his salvation credentials. How's that for a dissenting opinion? Very odd.

Abdul Alhazred

17th October 2003, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by hgc
Now here's a post from that thread, with a twist.I'm not sure what this person is saying, but I think he's saying that that fire & brimstone preaching is Satanic because it attempts to discredit his salvation credentials. How's that for a dissenting opinion? Very odd.

Not really. Person buys into the Christian cosmology, but doubts his/her own salvation. Probably very common.

Doubts are the voice of Satan, but that needn't mean creeping rationalism.

Checkmite

17th October 2003, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep

She is trying to be a voice of reason in an unreasonable place. It may be saddening but not at all surprising. She is trying to use logic on these people. She may as well be reading the works of Shakespeare to her cat, she would get more comprehension.

In that you are correct; not surprising in the least. :(

Yahweh

17th October 2003, 09:12 PM

I'm tempted to sign up for Rapture Ready. Just for fun. Watch out kiddies, Yahweh the nasty Atheist is after you...

Jet Grind

17th October 2003, 09:24 PM

Thanks for posting that. I find it very funny watching these religious fanatics post things like this.

Originally posted by Selah (on RaptureReady)
exactly!

Preachers today have swung too far to the opposite side of the spectrum. Yes, you can preach too much on hell and the Law--but that is NOT the problem plaguing America today! We have too little Law, and too much Gospel, too early!!

People need to know WHY they NEED the gospel! If they don't know why they need to turn to Jesus--it's meaningless to them! And that's why we have too many false converts--fake "Christians" in the church! Plants with one inch soil with no roots that fall over with the first wind...

So sad! And so many people today are still pushing for more PC churches... We are crippling our own Church and we are responsible for it when we want to avoid giving the Law!!!

Really, this speaks for itself. No commentary is required.

MoeFaux

17th October 2003, 09:28 PM

I've been to Hell House, which is the same thing as this. My parents made me go (hey, I may have still been on the edge of believing, but those people were whackjobs), and it was terrifying. Not the blood gore stuff, but what they were saying.
Terrible.
There's a doc out now on Hell House, I haven't see it yet but my friends have, and they said it was nuts.

UnrepentantSinner

18th October 2003, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by Joshua Korosi
Read the entirety of that thread (it's only a page and a half long so far). Pay particular attention to the postings of a board member named "Ajani" - she's easy to spot, as all her text is in pink. Consider what she suggests, and then study the response to it from others in the thread. It saddens me a bit.

While Ajani was trying to be a voice of reason, we get this most telling of reactions to her from "suz"

Some people object to this type of ministry, saying that it scares people into making decisions without sincerity or understanding. Perhaps this is true, but even if some of the decisions aren't sincere I think the experience can open their eyes and cause them to begin seeking truth.

Well, it doesn't matter if we have a sincere conversion, they'll learn to love Jesus after we've scared 'em into the pew. :rolleyes:

Nyarlathotep

18th October 2003, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner

Well, it doesn't matter if we have a sincere conversion, they'll learn to love Jesus after we've scared 'em into the pew. :rolleyes:

I think it's funny myself. I can't speak for anyone but myself but I find their tactics more silly and annoying than scary. If I don't believe in their god why would I feel the least bit afraid of how pi$$ed off that their imaginary friend is going to be that I don't believe in him? They aren't going to scare me and they aren't going to make me "seek the truth" (as an aside I also find it amusing how they throw the word "truth" around, but that's another topic for another thread on another day), all they are going tomake me seek is a good surgeon to trat the hernia I get from laughing at their sorry, pathetic a$$es.

Peter Jenkins

18th October 2003, 12:52 AM

My 4yr. old went and this was on Saturday. Last night at the dinner table she looked at me and out of the clear blue said, "Mom, I choose God."
Well, theres a surprise!
That a young child of (at least one) rapture believing parent(s) would choose the nice place over the nasty place.
I can understand how her parents would be amazed and proud.
[/sarcasm]

Tony

18th October 2003, 10:21 AM

This is sick and evil.

UnrepentantSinner

19th October 2003, 07:26 PM

I'm I the only one who remembers reading something about there being a Hell House where one room reinacted the Colombine Massacre after which "Cassie Bernal" is taken to heaven by an angel while Harris and Klebold are dragged off to hell by a demon?

I seem to recall they reinacted that little revenge fantasy in Colorado somewhere... Oh well, my memory ain't what it used to be.

MoeFaux

19th October 2003, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner
I'm I the only one who remembers reading something about there being a Hell House where one room reinacted the Colombine Massacre after which "Cassie Bernal" is taken to heaven by an angel while Harris and Klebold are dragged off to hell by a demon?

I seem to recall they reinacted that little revenge fantasy in Colorado somewhere... Oh well, my memory ain't what it used to be.

Yes, you're right. I believe it was covered in the Hell House documentary.

Aussie Thinker

20th October 2003, 12:10 AM

You know I would think this was funny too except for the comment about the 4 year old.

What sort of psychological damage does this do to a young child. They should be charged with Child Abuse !

When the kid grows up and find out what crap it all is anyway !

Mind you I wonder about the volume of grown halfwits on that site. I was blown away with just how many people go in for this hooey !

You would think that with people preaching rapture for decades and it NEVER happening some of them would get a CLUE !

There ARE some cute chicks on the phot board though.. think I might go over there and register for a little “devilry”

UnrepentantSinner

20th October 2003, 12:27 AM

Hey cool! krkey from RD forum comes here, now AT, the Most Hated Man on Boottotheskull.com Forum joins us.

Howdy AT. :)

Peter Jenkins

20th October 2003, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by Aussie Thinker

You would think that with people preaching rapture for decades and it NEVER happening some of them would get a CLUE !
I spent a while lurking on the RR board, a while back. There are some amazing things written there. I recall that someone posted an Obit for his/her grandmother. They said that the Grandmother was a devout believer in the coming rapture and had been waiting for it since 1955.
Well (without meaning to be cruel) she got hers.
Peter

Aussie Thinker

20th October 2003, 12:52 AM

Hi USA,

I don’t know wether I’ll spend too much time here.. everyone is just too damn sensible !

Mind you this site does renew my faith in modern man.. I have spent far too long on fundy and conservative sites I was starting to think human ignorance was a growth business !

I have registered over at Rapture but I can’t imagine I am gunna last long there.. I am itching to give those loonies a dose of realism.. not that it will matter to them !

VicDaring

20th October 2003, 02:28 PM

Holy Cow! What a great board that is!

I just learned that we're a morally bankrupt society because girls wear clothes that expose their midriff: More funny fundies (http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?threadid=113009)
And it all goes back to that, "modified food" we've been fed.

While it is pretty funny, it also gives us a pretty good glimpse of what we're up against.

Nyarlathotep

20th October 2003, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Aussie Thinker

Mind you this site does renew my faith in modern man.. I have spent far too long on fundy and conservative sites I was starting to think human ignorance was a growth business !

It is a growth business. However I think you can make an analogy to the movie business. Ignorance is sort of like Hollywood, pervasive, well funded and popularwith the masses. Skepicism (and thus, sites like this one) are more like small indie films, not huge, not well funded and not terribly popular but still possessing just enough clout to make an impact.

the_ignored

20th October 2003, 05:55 PM

The cartoon on this page (http://www.answersingenesis.org/CreationWise/CW_Pages/CWsword.asp)

http://www.answersingenesis.org/CreationWise/Cartoons/CWsword.gif

Heh. The cartoon he has here (http://www.danltoons.com/) is really bent!

Aussie Thinker

20th October 2003, 07:14 PM

Damn… they have activated my account but I am still in some queue to be instated.. I can’t post anything..

WHAT HAPPENS IF THE RAPTURE COMES BEFORE I GET TO POST !!!

These guys should work faster .. what with Armageddon being so imminent !

a_unique_person

20th October 2003, 07:28 PM

Do they need any volunteers to set up a sinner's orgy room?

a_unique_person

20th October 2003, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by Dragonrock

I agree with that. When I "accepted Christ" during a "Left Behind" sermon series at my wife's church it was hard to let go. I was caught up in the moment and went with it. Afterwards everyone was fawning over me for months so I did not want it to end. I am embarassed about how easily I was dupped and how much I wanted it to be true. It's amazing what enormous amounts of attention will do to a person. After the fun wore off and I was just another church member I felt disgusted with how little self control I showed. I let my fear get away from me and thought that speaking the magic words would make me all better.

Love bombing. It worked for Manson too.

a_unique_person

20th October 2003, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by the_ignored
The cartoon on this page (http://www.answersingenesis.org/CreationWise/CW_Pages/CWsword.asp)

http://www.answersingenesis.org/CreationWise/Cartoons/CWsword.gif

Heh. The cartoon he has here (http://www.danltoons.com/) is really bent!

Reminds of an erection.

Ruby

21st October 2003, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by the_ignored
From Raptrure Ready (http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?postid=1239258#post1239258), where else?

Ok, so I got pissed that one of the posters said her little four year old went through a "judgment house" and I posted sort of angrily to her. I am baout to get in trouble...but that just ticks me off. Besides, I have already been on there today in another ridiculous thread that really was awful too....and I am just sick at what I keep reading.

Thank god I am not one of them anymore!!! :mad:

Ruby

21st October 2003, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by EdipisReks

maybe they should try a new tactic; "only a god could create the amount of ignorance we possess, so obviously there is a god". :D

I like that!!!:D :D

Ruby

21st October 2003, 02:11 PM

Nyarlathotep

21st October 2003, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Ruby

Exactly!!! I just posted something similar to what you are saying on RR. You have to already believe in Hell to be effected by it. I can't imagine anyone going through one of those judgment houses unless they are searching and wanting to believe in the bible...etc.

Yep, I have always wondered what goes through the heads of people who try to get people who do not beleive in god to beleive in him by saying in effect"God is going to be really pi$$ed at you for not beleiving in him" since if the person doesn't believe in God in the first place, why should that person fear God's wrath. It never made sense to me.

Aussie Thinker

21st October 2003, 04:20 PM

Ruby,

BINGO !

I felt exactly as you did. I wouldn’t care about these fundy nutters but scaring a 4 YO is close to child abuse.. here is what I was gunna post if they ever let me in !

I note the first poster mentions their 4 year old declaring “I choose God” after going to the Judgement House.

This sounds tantamount to Child Abuse…

Scaring the heck out of a Child with a human created completely objective view of heaven and hell.. obviously the HELL bit hit home to her..

I wonder about the psychological scars this poor child will bear for the rest of her life.

Shame on these people !

I wouldn’t mind these nuts if they left the 4 year olds alone

Keneke

21st October 2003, 04:25 PM

But honestly, would we sue a family that took their four year old to a Haunted House? We'd grumble, but no.

the_ignored

21st October 2003, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Ruby

Ok, so I got pissed that one of the posters said her little four year old went through a "judgment house" and I posted sort of angrily to her. I am baout to get in trouble...but that just ticks me off. Besides, I have already been on there today in another ridiculous thread that really was awful too....and I am just sick at what I keep reading.

Thank god I am not one of them anymore!!! :mad:

Not as much trouble as this guy (http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?postid=1256561#post1256561) will be in!

:bricks: :jedi: :crazy:

Well, one thing is: reliance on fear is a weak and brainless way to convince people. It can only work on those who already half-believe or are suckers for "Pascal's Wager" type thinking, in which case, the only reason they chose your religion is that they were in a part of the world where that religion was dominant.

Secondly, trying to scare people and then using their fear to manipulate them into making a choice is the same thing that every other cult and high pressure sales group tries to do. Aren't christians supposed to be "above" that?

It's just emotional manipulaton. No surprise, though really. That's how every supernaturalist belief can survive and propogate. Not through reason but through fear. People who are scared will be afraid to question!

Thirdly, what do you think happens when the fear dies down, and people get a chance to actually think about things? Most people I hear of who got converted by fear are no longer believers because fear only works for so long. You need evidence to back up what you're selling.

Jet Grind

22nd October 2003, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by Keneke
But honestly, would we sue a family that took their four year old to a Haunted House? We'd grumble, but no.

I wouldn't sue anybody for such things as this, I'm that self-righteous. But you are making a bad analogy. I'd be pretty angry if someone took their 4-year old to a haunted house and told them something like this: "well, honey, if you don't obey us a big man with a hockey mask and a chainsaw in hand is going to break into our house and cut your head off." The difference is that this "parent" is teaching her child that what she's seeing is real.

Lord Emsworth

22nd October 2003, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by Aussie Thinker
Damn… they have activated my account but I am still in some queue to be instated.. I can’t post anything..

WHAT HAPPENS IF THE RAPTURE COMES BEFORE I GET TO POST !!!

These guys should work faster .. what with Armageddon being so imminent !

For me the same. I've been waiting now for 90 hours. In their FAQ they say something about 36-48 hour.

Oh well, I see hellfire coming for them for bearing false witness unto me.