Illeism

[GlennB]

Illeism is the tendency to refer to oneself in the third person or by name.

Terral does this constantly, e.g. where he might post something like "If you wish to refute Terral's thesis..." etc etc

Please fell free to research it yourselves, but it's often a bad sign. Those trying to engage in "debate" with Terral might want to reconsider. In my experience and training in Autistic Spectrum Disorders, I'd say it's quite likely that Terral fits into that broad category.

[Minadin]

What about Max Photon and Bob Dole?

[CurtC]

What about Max Photon and Bob Dole?

I think you mean "Max Mihop."

[ElMondoHummus]

Hey, ElMondoHummus never does...

... whoops...

[twinstead]

We are not amused

[volatile]

Volatile agrees.

[tsg]

One really dislikes that practice.

[DavidJames]

Yes it's an odd thing
nonesense, DavidJames thinks it's perfectly normal
Yeah, we'll you're an idiot
it takes one to know oneSeems we can't decide.

[e^n]

It's always intrigued me that Max does this, I have yet to understand his rationale for it. I suspect it might be a form of alter ego given by the flamboyant and confident quips he likes to make on several topics. A psychologist would be of use here, I am unfortunately ignorant in matters of the brain.

[calebprime]

calebprime reminds you that it could just be whimsy, or avoiding the overuse of "I", or an exercise in viewing oneself from without, or a strange sense that we exist only as quotes for each other, as Gravy has said.

Not to mention that Tobias the Commie is always a pleasure to talk to.

Given that calebprime is hard pressed to remember many successful, rational debates with truthers here, he doesn't think this one will be any different.

Was it Terral who thinks water doesn't conduct electricity? There's your sign of Hopeless Debate.

Another general reason for illeistic tendencies--one talks to oneself, anyway.

[dudalb]

If it was good enough for Julius Caesar it's good enough for dudalb.

[Wildy]

What does this thread really have to do with conspiracy theorists?

Am I supposed to join in and refer to myself in the third person?

[T.A.M.]

TAM says yes, Wildy, you should join in...lol

TAM;)

[Gravy]

It's all Gravy.

[ElMondoHummus]

It's always intrigued me that Max does this, I have yet to understand his rationale for it. I suspect it might be a form of alter ego given by the flamboyant and confident quips he likes to make on several topics. A psychologist would be of use here, I am unfortunately ignorant in matters of the brain.

Oh, you're probably reading a bit too much into it. It's probably just a combo of him not really taking things discussed here that seriously, plus a bit of gentle mockery aimed at us. That's all.

But ElMondo belie... oh, crud, not again...

[ElMondoHummus]

What does this thread really have to do with conspiracy theorists?

Am I supposed to join in and refer to myself in the third person?


Killjoy. :p

[johnny karate]

Is johnny karate doing this correctly?

[chillzero]

Killjoy. :p

He's only pre-empting the arrival of the mods. ;)

[Praktik]

George is getting upset!!


;)

[Alferd_Packer]

Alferd says IBTL!

[1337m4n]

In Max's case, I think it's just a superinflated ego.

[Max Photon]

...measured in PSI (photons per square id).

[Horatius]

...measured in PSI (photons per square id).



Nominated! (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=3412446#post3412446)


ETA: And not for a Stundie, either!

[StoneWT]

They're trying to build a following for themselves. Repeating their own 'names' helps to build the online personalities. Most of the flamboyant, angry troothers you meet in forums lead sad lives in the real world. Plus, it's a cry for attention.

[StoneRook]

Bob Dole agrees.

[jhunter1163]

Jhunter1163 thinks that people who refer to themselves in the third person are self-important snobs.

Oh, damn....

[tsg]

* tsg is wondering if "/me" counts as illeism.

[Unsecured Coins]

The Coins say know your role

[OldTigerCub]

...measured in PSI (photons per square id).

The Old Tiger is laughing! That was actually pretty funny, Max!:D

[leftysergeant]

Fortunately, leftysergeant is more broadly-educated than his station in life might suggest, and has at his disposal interesting tidbits of information which might not occur to those who have over-specialized in their studies.

To take up again one great example of illeism, that of Caesar, most notably in his commentaries on the Gallic wars, this may have been a bow to modesty. It would be unseemly for the man who would be king to boast too loudly of his own accomplishments, but, at the same time, he did want to seem as impressive as possible to the reader. Thus, he referred to himself as a greater man than he was, referred to the army under his command as "the Romans" as opposed to "we," "us," or "my army" in a way that might lead the reader to forget that the subject was actually the author himself. A bit confusing, perhaps, but worth the effort for political reasons, even iof it does make the entire work somewhat tedious to read. That Ceasar seemed not too particular about where he placed his verbs just made it a bit more so.

So, we are faced with the possibility that Terral refers to himself in the third person in order better to praise himself without looking too much the boastful jerk.

Playing games with the language is also a valid comedic device. Thus, it would seem that the only reason some people can still tolerate Max, for example, is that occassionaly his blather can be amusing. (Some of this community loved the PSI quip. Made more sense than most of what Terral has posted recently.)

This author must, of course, concur, based upon some training in Special Education, that illeism is, indeed, not uncommon among highly functional autistic persons.

[JimBenArm]

Jew Jim approves of this thread.

[Horatius]

Jew Jim approves of this thread.



Jew-Jim, wasn't that the two-headed mutant in a Robert Heinlein novel?

[Max Photon]

Methinks its a shame that illeism is the tendency to refer to oneself in the third person or by name.

Shouldn't that be - not I - not you - but he?

Helleism is a better name, don't you see, for the third-person game?

Illeism / Melleism
Youlleism
Helleism / Shelleism / Itelleism
Welleism / Uslleism
Theylleism / Themlleism

(Think them'll listen to themlleism?)

[Max Photon]

[snip] I am unfortunately ignorant in matters of the brain.


.......:)

[cisco]

The Cisco Kid was a friend of mine . . .

[Wildy]

He's only pre-empting the arrival of the mods. ;)

What? You think that Wildy does the mods job for them?

Wildy thinks that it would be far better if it was in humo(u)r.

[Par]

Terral has partially explained this rather peculiar element of his behavior in this thread:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=3411515#post3411515

In short, he refers to himself in the third person because he considers himself to be a kind latter-day Jesus.

My Teacher is a guy name Jesus Christ for Whom I write most mornings before coming to this JREF Board. He says,

"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.” John 17:3-5.

They had a big conspiracy take place about 2000 years ago when another Narcissistic Conspiracy Theorist was walking this earth making third-party references to Himself. The idea that a real live Christian (means Christ-like) would have the audacity to do the same thing seems another good reason for everyone here to begin building crosses for their own crucifixion.

[cisco]

Terral has partially explained this rather peculiar element of his behavior in this thread:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=3411515#post3411515

In short, he refers to himself in the third person because he considers himself to be a kind latter-day Jesus.

Scary

[ElMondoHummus]

Has this thread been beaten into the ground yet? EMH is just asking.

[jmercer]

The Mods have arrived. Jmercer says that the OP of this thread verges on personal attacks, so jmercer suggests that this thread remain in a humorous vein. Jmercer says this to all of you, he does. :)

[Rika]

Tokorona thinks that this thread is silly, that she does.

[GlennB]

The Mods have arrived. Jmercer says that the OP of this thread verges on personal attacks, so jmercer suggests that this thread remain in a humorous vein. Jmercer says this to all of you, he does. :)

GlennB respectfully disagrees with The Mods here.

As suggested in the OP, debate with a person with (for example) Asperger's Syndrome can be utterly futile. As of the kids I used to work with once told me -- "You're arguing with an A.S. kid !!?! You can't win. Give up now!"

[ElMondoHummus]

:explode:mgbanghead :mghissyfit

ARRRRRRGH! STOP IT!!! STOP IT ALL NOWWWWWW!

The first person exists! Use it like I doooooooooooo!

(*shoots self... thud*) :stone007:... :tombstone

[tsg]

* tsg pats EMH on the hand and suggests he have a lie-down.

[ktesibios]

Ktesibios considers that jmercer has added a welcome new dimension to illeism by referring to jmercer's self both by proper name and the third person singular personal pronoun.

Ktesibios approves, and goes off, hammer in hand, to seek more grammar which he can fracture.

[tsg]

* tsg thinks he's going to start using "you" when he means "me".

[tsig]

* tsg;3415449 thinks he's going to start using "you" when he means "me".

Tsig fully approves of tsg's statement.

[Max Photon]

Eye have a question.

What is the effect of illeism on the reader or listener, and why?

[Minadin]

In Max Photon's case, it makes Minadin chuckle, and he's not sure why.

[Horatius]

What is the effect of illeism on the reader or listener, and why?

Mostly gagging.

And you'll have to ask a doctor about "why".

[Max Photon]

TAM, any thoughts?

[Par]

Eye have a question. What is the effect of illeism on the reader or listener, and why?



It generally makes me think that the person in question believes themselves to be, if not a god, at least flecked with the divine. I don’t know, however, as to why. That said, I don’t know if the question is meaningful in this context.

[Horatius]

Ahhh, the old reflex gag.
TAM, any thoughts?



That's good!


Max, if you stuck to posting pithy one-liners, you'd be much more popular.

[Max Photon]

http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=82549&rendTypeId=4

[leftysergeant]

Did Max mistake "pithy thoughts" for "pithy trunks?"

This commentator occassionally finds Max's posts a bit obtus(Well, actually, just about always.)

Oddly, the commentator finds them less absurd than some others.

[Terral]

Hi Glenn:

Glenn >> Illeism is the tendency to refer to oneself in the third person or by name. Terral does this constantly, e.g. where he might post something like "If you wish to refute Terral's thesis..." etc etc


Since Glenn has no rebuttal to my WTC-7 Controlled Demolition (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=105459) or Pentagon “Two Attack” (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=104792) Presentations, then he attacks ‘my person’ (http://www.aspkin.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/hammer.jpg) in direct violation of COC guidelines everywhere. These guys need to use every sneaky underhanded debating tactic (http://incarna.andablog.com/2007/10/03/sneaky-ninja.gif) possible, because they have no “Building Fires Did It” or “AA77 Hit The Pentagon” case by using THE EVIDENCE for either of these 9/11 cases. Therefore, they hope to discourage these readers from seeing ‘the’ 911Truth in ‘my work,’ by slinging enough mud (http://www.daniyel.com/pepper/pepper_art/current/may-k-Mudslinging.gif) at ‘my person.’ :0) (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/YoSoFunny.gif)

If these readers are so easily led astray by this kind of stupidity, then they have very little interest in knowing ‘the’ 911Truth in the first place. Glenn and his Terral-basher buddies are only helping these readers define THEM more than anyone else here. That avatar is not of a little mouse, but of a RAT (http://www.thealmightyguru.com/Humor/SayNo/Images/SayNo-EvilRatThings.png). :O) (http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=Cfm9I6uLemU)

GL,

Terral

[beachnut]

Hi Glenn:
Since Glenn has no rebuttal to my WTC-7 Controlled Demolition (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=105459) or Pentagon “Two Attack” (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=104792) Presentations, then he attacks ‘my person’ (http://www.aspkin.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/hammer.jpg) in direct violation of COC guidelines everywhere. These guys need to use every sneaky underhanded debating tactic (http://incarna.andablog.com/2007/10/03/sneaky-ninja.gif) possible, because they have no “Building Fires Did It” or “AA77 Hit The Pentagon” case by using THE EVIDENCE for either of these 9/11 cases. Therefore, they hope to discourage these readers from seeing ‘the’ 911Truth in ‘my work,’ by slinging enough mud (http://www.daniyel.com/pepper/pepper_art/current/may-k-Mudslinging.gif) at ‘my person.’ :0) (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/YoSoFunny.gif)

If these readers are so easily led astray by this kind of stupidity, then they have very little interest in knowing ‘the’ 911Truth in the first place. Glenn and his Terral-basher buddies are only helping these readers define THEM more than anyone else here. That avatar is not of a little mouse, but of a RAT (http://www.thealmightyguru.com/Humor/SayNo/Images/SayNo-EvilRatThings.png). :O) (http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=Cfm9I6uLemU)

GL,Terral No one can argue with the pure stupid statements you make. You have no facts or evidence to support your ignorant, mangled, insane, fantasy version of 9/11. If you had a single or a rational idea to present, there could be some discussion. But so far you have cut and paste false information too stupid for anyone to believe in the first place. How does Terral find the most ignorant, fact less information on 9/11 with such ease?

beachnut needs to know

[Horatius]

Since Glenn has no rebuttal to my WTC-7 Controlled Demolition (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=105459) or Pentagon “Two Attack” (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=104792) Presentations, then he attacks ‘my person’ (http://www.aspkin.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/hammer.jpg) in direct violation of COC guidelines everywhere. These guys need to use every sneaky underhanded debating tactic (http://incarna.andablog.com/2007/10/03/sneaky-ninja.gif) possible, because they have no “Building Fires Did It” or “AA77 Hit The Pentagon” case by using THE EVIDENCE for either of these 9/11 cases. T



Except for the little fact that this thread wasn't created to debate Terral, it was created to discuss Terral.


Not that we expect Terral to understand the difference

[Par]

...Glenn has no rebuttal to my WTC-7 Controlled Demolition or Pentagon “Two Attack” Presentations...


Glenn, doesn’t need to. Others have done so perfectly well:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=105459
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=105308

[Max Photon]

Illeism is the tendency to refer to oneself in the third person or by name.

Terral does this constantly, e.g. where he might post something like "If you wish to refute Terral's thesis..." etc etc

Please fell free to research it yourselves, but it's often a bad sign. Those trying to engage in "debate" with Terral might want to reconsider. In my experience and training in Autistic Spectrum Disorders, I'd say it's quite likely that Terral fits into that broad category.


What an ASD!

[MIKILLINI]

http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=82549&rendTypeId=4

Was that picture taken on arbor day, Max? If one of those trees toppled over and you weren't there, would it make a sound?

[MIKILLINI]

Hi Glenn:




Since Glenn has no rebuttal to my WTC-7 Controlled Demolition (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=105459) or Pentagon “Two Attack” (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=104792) Presentations, then he attacks ‘my person’ (http://www.aspkin.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/hammer.jpg) in direct violation of COC guidelines everywhere. These guys need to use every sneaky underhanded debating tactic (http://incarna.andablog.com/2007/10/03/sneaky-ninja.gif) possible, because they have no “Building Fires Did It” or “AA77 Hit The Pentagon” case by using THE EVIDENCE for either of these 9/11 cases. Therefore, they hope to discourage these readers from seeing ‘the’ 911Truth in ‘my work,’ by slinging enough mud (http://www.daniyel.com/pepper/pepper_art/current/may-k-Mudslinging.gif) at ‘my person.’ :0) (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/YoSoFunny.gif)

If these readers are so easily led astray by this kind of stupidity, then they have very little interest in knowing ‘the’ 911Truth in the first place. Glenn and his Terral-basher buddies are only helping these readers define THEM more than anyone else here. That avatar is not of a little mouse, but of a RAT (http://www.thealmightyguru.com/Humor/SayNo/Images/SayNo-EvilRatThings.png). :O) (http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=Cfm9I6uLemU)

GL,

Terral

Is this satire Terral?:rolleyes:

[tsg]

Eye have a question.

What is the effect of illeism on the reader or listener, and why?

I seem to encounter it most used by people to say things that would otherwise sound very selfish and egotistical if they used the first person, especially if the person happens to be a professional athlete. Not that it doesn't anyway, but that seems to be what they are trying to do.

[Terral]

Hi Mikillini:

Miki >> Is this satire Terral?


Hey man, I can smile (http://files.myopera.com/wickedlizard/blog/Big%20smile.jpg) at children’s antics right along with the best of them. We are supposed to be debating these Conspiracy topics ‘and’ having a little fun. Right? Okay then,

GL,

Terral

[beachnut]

Hi Mikillini:
Hey man, I can smile (http://files.myopera.com/wickedlizard/blog/Big%20smile.jpg) at children’s antics right along with the best of them. We are supposed to be debating these Conspiracy topics ‘and’ having a little fun. Right? Okay then,GL, Terral
Smile, yep you smile as you make up lies about 9/11 and spread them over the graves of 3,000 killed by terrorist on 9/11. I wonder what the passengers on flight 93 would say to you after you have no clue in 6 years compared to them figuring out 9/11 in minutes! What would they say to your lies and spitting on their grave in Pennsylvania? What do you want to say to those who you are so pathetically disrespectful to for not even trying to gain knowledge to push the envelope and help the world. Be proud of you lack of knowledge on 9/11, you may be recruiting new disrespectful people to join your spewing of hearsay and lies. Good for you; Now I see how Hitler and all those who kill other can just smile and grin while they spin lies and disinformation trying to fool others into a world of lies. Good job, make up lies and spread false information your kids can see in the future. Maybe you can raise some more people who lack knowledge and judgment to understand truth and able to spread lies as you do. Do not even ask what I am talking about, look at your post full of false information and how you have ignored rational people trying to show you evidence of your gross errors and failure to find rational conclusions.

a legacy of Disrespect and Ignorance...

[~enigma~]

Not a few members of the bowel movement speak almost exclusively in the third person about themselves. This is a common sign in many dissociative disorders and it is not uncommon at all in MPD (renamed DID in 1994). Not only is Illeism the only sign of dissociative disorders seen among so called truthers. There are truthers who claim to be historical figures and there are truthers who have claimed to be a movie character (that ended when he was brought up on national TV). My question is with such a large amount of what can be seen as insanity, why does anyone give the people the time of day or take them seriously?

[Par]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=105740

[T.A.M.]

The question, enigma, is how much of it is serious, and how much of it is "play". I mean certainly some of the 3rd person reference is done to amuse, or to annoy...to bait. Same thing with pretending to be a famous figure of the past. I wonder how much of it is done to piss people off on this forum, or for entertainment (their own) rather than some serious form of mental disorder.

TAM:)

[~enigma~]

The question, enigma, is how much of it is serious, and how much of it is "play". I mean certainly some of the 3rd person reference is done to amuse, or to annoy...to bait. Same thing with pretending to be a famous figure of the past. I wonder how much of it is done to piss people off on this forum, or for entertainment (their own) rather than some serious form of mental disorder.

TAM:)
I will say that combined with the sheer insanity of DEW, a flyover, No planes, TV fakery and CD, I don't see how illeism can be assumed to be anything but a warning sign of a dissociative disorder unless of course the "truthers" are all faking and don't believe in a CT. In any case, the question remains. Why give credibility to a movement populated by people that may very well have dissociative disorders?

ETA - And if they are faking...same question.

[VespaGuy]

JREF Forum member, Vespaguy, has noticed that Mark Dice actually creates his own press releases and then interviews and quotes himself within them.

"I find it disturbing" says Vespaguy, "that this person goes out of his way to make it appear that someone is interested in what he has to say, when in reality he is interviewing himself."

[Magenta]

My question is with such a large amount of what can be seen as insanity, why does anyone give the people the time of day or take them seriously?


There are some that I'd like to have fitted for a tight white overcoat. It might not help them but at least it would stop them from using a keyboard to propagate their BS on the internet. Failing that, I have an extensive ignore list. :)