"Why War Is The Right Choice" by Tony Blair

[Jedi Knight]

Tony Blair states the case for war very well in this speech (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=6181).

Britain has always been a good friend and powerful ally of the United States.

JK

[Jon_in_london]

Oh. I thought we were a bunch of socialist commies who deport old women and lock up old men for defending their homes! Nevermind the illegal occupation of Northern Ireland.

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[LillyThePink]

Jon what the hell would you know? You're brainwashed by the leftist feminazi matriarchial state of Britain. We are all of us cowards, didn't you know that? We beat up our old folks and punish criminals (shame on us communist sympathisers)

Edited to add :- btw JK, the only reason George is friends with Tony is because Tony has (or rather did have) an international respect that your chimpanzee faced president is sadly lacking. No one trusts Georgie - that's what he needs Blair for. Powerful ally my ass, we're dying on our feet from all the Muslims living here, isn't that the case? Make your mind up, JK, a little consistency would be nice.

[Reginald]

Dont forget that you have invited Osama Bin laden over for dinner too!!

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Tony Blair states the case for war very well in this speech (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=6181).

Britain has always been a good friend and powerful ally of the United States.

JK


The United States hasn't got any friends left. There are a few countries that think they might have something to gain by currying favour with the criminals that run the United States, but that isn't friendship. The United States is now recognised, from Wales to New South Wales, from Siberia to South America, as the biggest threat to world peace on the planet.

Tony Blair does not speak for the people of Britain. The people of Britain came out on Saturday and made it quite clear what they believe.

[Reginald]

Originally posted by UndercoverElephant


Tony Blair does not speak for the people of Britain. The people of Britain came out on Saturday and made it quite clear what they believe.

some people in Britain came out on saturday. (admittedly a rather big some)

It would have been nice if they hadnt left so much mess behind too! I wonder what the "green" contingent think of that....nothing I suppose since it was in a "good" cause.

Were there any anarchists at the march? A march in London seems a little wanting without the usual anarchists.

[LillyThePink]

UCE, for once I think we agree!!

however, I am getting increasingly frustrated at the thought that our concerns are not being heard - we are being moved toward a war which very few people in this country are backing, and I am not really seeing anyway that the Blair administration can back out of the support pledged thusfar, even if it wanted to (which clearly it does not)

Why don't the US govt. just admit that it knows that Iraq has WMD, because they sold them to Sadaam on the quiet? And that all this hooo-haaar is about oil, winning the next election, and getting even for Daddy.

I have actually no issue with us deposing the Iraqi regime, aside from the fact that we keep doing this and then not helping people rebuild their societies. I do however resent being lied to. I resent my intelligence being insulted in this fashion. The justifications applied to this war are applicable to a number of other countries, including Israel and Saudi Arabia. And it's all just a smokescreen to distract from issues at home, for the UK and the US.

Incidentally, does anyone else find it fishy that France, Russia and China all reportedly have deals with Iraq to export the oil and they are the three big vetos?!?!? :confused:

[Reginald]

Originally posted by LillyThePink

Incidentally, does anyone else find it fishy that France, Russia and China all reportedly have deals with Iraq to export the oil and they are the three big vetos?!?!? :confused:

Yes, that has formed the basis for many an arguement on here.

Russia owed 9 Billion by the Current regime.

France has major trade with the Regime under the oil for food scheme. Which apparently includes 500 pergeot cars per year.

China, not sure about but I think their stance is a little more wooly.

However these could constitute legitimate concerns for those countries.

[Jon_in_london]

Other threads to watch out for soon:

"Why Privatising the Tube is the Right Choce" by Tony Blair.
"Why Abandoning the 10-year Integrated Transport Policy in Favour of More Roads and Cars is the Right Choice" by Tony Blair.
"Why Doesnt Anyone Realise Im Taking Massive Bribes from PFI Companies?" by Tony Blair

[Doctor X]

Why don't the US govt. just admit that it knows that Iraq has WMD, because they sold them to Sadaam on the quiet?

She did.

However, they do not wish to piss-off the French who thought they had exclusive proprietary rights.

Too much fallacy and emotion here, folks. I think I will see if Muscleman has, once again. lost continence IN CAPITAL LETTERS OVER AT RELIGION.

--J.D.

[LillyThePink]

Slightly o/t, but since Jon and Reg are in London - is the congestion charge hitting you hard? (It was Jon's list of good ideas that set me off on this one)

[LillyThePink]

Originally posted by Doctor X


She did.

However, they do not wish to piss-off the French who thought they had exclusive proprietary rights.

Too much fallacy and emotion here, folks. I think I will see if Muscleman has, once again. lost continence IN CAPITAL LETTERS OVER AT RELIGION.

--J.D.

Dagnabbit I wish people could see how bulgy my cheeks are from having my tongue stuffed in them. I look like a chipmunk the day before hibernation....

:D

Originally posted by Jon_in_london
Other threads to watch out for soon:

"Why Privatising the Tube is the Right Choce" by Tony Blair.
"Why Abandoning the 10-year Integrated Transport Policy in Favour of More Roads and Cars is the Right Choice" by Tony Blair.
"Why Doesnt Anyone Realise Im Taking Massive Bribes from PFI Companies?" by Tony Blair

"Why dropping bombs on people is OK in terms of Christian Morality because those people were going to starve thanks to UN sanctions anyway." by Tony Blair.

"How to turn a 30 point opinion poll advantage into a 5 point disadvantage in 3 months, even though the main opposition party is about as effective as a partly-decomposed haddock." by Tony Blair.

[Jon_in_london]

Well, actually Lilly, I normally tube/bus it to work. I woke up at around 6:30 and switched on the news and they were talking it all up like its going to be a disaster so I splashed out of bed and trotted off to the tube station and got to work 45 minutes too early! :rolleyes:

I have only heard very good things so far. Seems to be working like a dream. Who do you think will be the first politician to try and claim the credit for it?

[Reginald]

I'm not close enough to the city to comment.

From what I have seen on the news, and maybe you have, it seems to be going better than expected.

I bet Ken is stroking the Newts today!

[LillyThePink]

Livingston, of course...

I heard on the radio (Terry Wogan, yes, I'm a TOG) that the police said it was like a Sunday or something.

Which is nice. You can normally get out of 2nd gear driving round London on a Sunday (morning)

Originally posted by Jon_in_london

I have only heard very good things so far. Seems to be working like a dream. Who do you think will be the first politician to try and claim the credit for it?

Wasn't it Red Kens idea?

I don't think they know how to deal with Mr Livingston. He is old labour. He is Rikzillas 'commie under the bed'. But he managed to get elected as mayor of London and he seems to be doing an OK job of it.

[Reginald]

Yeah "RED" Ken, and what ever happened to "RED" Ted Knight? They don't seem so quick to add these little tabloid extras anymore.



:(

Things aint the same as when I was a lad.

[LillyThePink]

Originally posted by UndercoverElephant

But he managed to get elected as mayor of London and he seems to be doing an OK job of it.

I'm sure it was only as an "up yours" to the New Labour bunch that he was standing in the first place.

Originally posted by Reginald
Yeah "RED" Ken, and what ever happened to "RED" Ted Knight? They don't seem so quick to add these little tabloid extras anymore.



:(

Things aint the same as when I was a lad.

I loved the tory attempt, when Blair was newly elected leader of the opposition and they did not yet realise the political oblivion waiting for them at the next election, to tag Blair as "Bambi". After all, everybody knows what happened to Bambi.

[Jon_in_london]

Yes, it was Kens idea. He got no support from any politcians for it though-quite the opposite. Thats why Im wondering who will be first to try and say it was all their idea actually.

I like Red Ken. At least he takes public transport rather than going to work in chauffer driven limos. I respect that.

[Reginald]

Originally posted by LillyThePink


I'm sure it was only as an "up yours" to the New Labour bunch that he was standing in the first place.

Mind you look at the opposition.

That bloke who looked like a gnome, Dobson was it?

And Norris (IMO) always looked like he would be at home chasing some maid round a bed.

Ken just seemed "normal".

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london
Oh. I thought we were a bunch of socialist commies who deport old women and lock up old men for defending their homes! Nevermind the illegal occupation of Northern Ireland.

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Well, in many parts of England you are, but Blair also talks about that in his speech (be nice to the elderly and have respect for property) so Blair is good in my book.

What I like most about Blair is that he stands by his moral principles and no march against them can change truth.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

One more point--Britain has always stood by the United States in times of war. We have stood by Britain as well. Face it--we are cousins.

Britain needs to walk with the United States into the moral humanitarian future that we are developing in the world, as the US needs to walk with Britain into it as Blair explained.

Blair's point cannot be ignored. To protest the removal of Saddam Hussein is to protect and celebrate slavery. I think slavery is evil but apparently the protestors do not. Keeping people enslaved is evil when people remotely just want the status quo without really knowing what Iraq is all about.

JK

[LillyThePink]

I'm not protesting the removal of Sadaam Hussain, provided there is a viable alternative.

I'm protesting being treated like an idiot and blatantly lied to by my government and by yours, JK. :D

Another question o/t - to do with airport security.... I'm curious as to what use exactly tanks are in a heavily civilian urban situation.

Or was it just a show of force? *yawn*

[rikzilla]

Originally posted by UndercoverElephant
"How to turn a 30 point opinion poll advantage into a 5 point disadvantage in 3 months, even though the main opposition party is about as effective as a partly-decomposed haddock." by Tony Blair.

"How To Get The Tories Re-Elected" -----by 700,000 communist and anarchist supporting "peace" marchers

(Have fun splitting up the royalties on that one! :rolleyes: )

[richardm]

Originally posted by LillyThePink
Another question o/t - to do with airport security.... I'm curious as to what use exactly tanks are in a heavily civilian urban situation.

Or was it just a show of force? *yawn*

Apparently, the Household Cavalry turned up with their little tanks because they were called out in a hurry and those were some of the vehicles they had in their compound. So they used them. Apparently there were some raised eyebrows in Number 10 when they appeared on the news. Presumably the PM was expecting them to use public transport, in accordance with the integrated transport policy :D

[rikzilla]

Originally posted by LillyThePink
I'm not protesting the removal of Sadaam Hussain, provided there is a viable alternative.

I'm protesting being treated like an idiot and blatantly lied to by my government and by yours, JK. :D

Another question o/t - to do with airport security.... I'm curious as to what use exactly tanks are in a heavily civilian urban situation.

Or was it just a show of force? *yawn*

Tanks would have saved the "Blackhawk Down" soldiers in Mogadishu....an urban environment.... instead Clinton thought the presence of armor there would be provocative. Clinton was an idiot.

Since Mogadishu, the US has been out of the "Nation Building" business. Wisely so. We've left it to the Afghanis to govern themselves in a democratic manner with only the barest help from US forces. This has so far met with success.... I'm hoping for the same situation in Iraq.... The Iraqi's were very good at rebuilding power plants, bridges and telephone exchanges themselves ...even under sanctions. They will be even more capable under a democratic government...with no sanctions,...and international help.

The only real relief the Iraqi people will get is when Saddam is gone. Those opposed to war are actually in favor of sanctions. Sanctions that took Iraq from a standard of living on a level with Greece...to their present standard of death....which is on par with Mali. This should be unacceptable for peace-loving people who pride themselves on their elevated sense of morality.

-zilla

[LillyThePink]

Can you explain the similarities between some man from Venezuala in Heathrow airport, and the nightmare that was Somalia, please, rik?


Perhaps if the congestion charges had been in place, they might have taken the tube, eh? Lovely. They could have shot those fricking buskers on the Piccadilly line on their way out to terminal 4, doing everyone a favour.

[rikzilla]

Originally posted by LillyThePink
Can you explain the similarities between some man from Venezuala in Heathrow airport, and the nightmare that was Somalia, please, rik?


Perhaps if the congestion charges had been in place, they might have taken the tube, eh? Lovely. They could have shot those fricking buskers on the Piccadilly line on their way out to terminal 4, doing everyone a favour.

LOL! a little harse on those busker aren't ya Lilly?? :D ;)

Of course I don't know what caused tanks to roll in London...was just commenting that they are indeed useful cover in an urban war-fighting environment.

...gee...I alway thought London's more talented buskers were charming...:confused:

-zilla

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by LillyThePink
I'm not protesting the removal of Sadaam Hussain, provided there is a viable alternative.

I'm protesting being treated like an idiot and blatantly lied to by my government and by yours, JK. :D

Another question o/t - to do with airport security.... I'm curious as to what use exactly tanks are in a heavily civilian urban situation.

Or was it just a show of force? *yawn*

Firstly-JK: We arent cousins. We are brothers. But brothers dont always agree on everything ;)

Lilly- I was at heathrow the day they caught that venewhovian with the grenade at Gatwick. I only saw one soldier for a few seconds once. Maybe there were more the otherside of the check-in but otherwise- nothing visible.

Those arent really tanks- technically they are armoured reconnaisance vehicles. One terorrist tactic is to drive a bombed-up car into a building (think Kenyan hotel) and in this case an armoured vehicle pumping out 30mm cannon and heavy machine gun fire is quite a handy thing to have. Also they move fast (around 80kph I think) and can cover ground at great speed which would be good for racing to any potential trouble and pumping hot-lead into terrorist arse (dont get a hard-on JK ;) ).

Also they look mean and nasty so are prolly a good deterrent.

[rikzilla]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london


Firstly-JK: We arent cousins. We are brothers. But brothers dont always agree on everything ;)

Lilly- I was at heathrow the day they caught that venewhovian with the grenade at Gatwick. I only saw one soldier for a few seconds once. Maybe there were more the otherside of the check-in but otherwise- nothing visible.

Those arent really tanks- technically they are armoured reconnaisance vehicles. One terorrist tactic is to drive a bombed-up car into a building (think Kenyan hotel) and in this case an armoured vehicle pumping out 30mm cannon and heavy machine gun fire is quite a handy thing to have. Also they move fast (around 80kph I think) and can cover ground at great speed which would be good for racing to any potential trouble and pumping hot-lead into terrorist arse (dont get a hard-on JK ;) ).

Also they look mean and nasty so are prolly a good deterrent.

I knew there was a reason I liked you Jon :eek: :D ;)