Cynthia McKinney outlines Green Party goals

[Puppycow]

Cynthia McKinney outlines Green Party goals (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-greenparty11-2008jul11,0,3718474.story)
CHICAGO -- As Green Party members gather here to select a presidential nominee and try to turn their progressive activism into an established spot on the nation's ballots, they'll also be trying to raise some green to defray the costs of their political convention.

Party officials were forced to turn to some of their members last month for a no-interest loan of up to $15,000 to help pay for the convention, which began Thursday and runs through Saturday.

Four candidates are vying for the nomination, with former U.S. Rep. Cynthia A. McKinney (D-Ga.) in the lead. She holds 304.5 of the 419 delegates needed.
. . .
She said achieving 5% of the vote, a threshold in many states for gaining status as an established political party, was a "very concrete goal" of her candidacy.

As a congresswoman, McKinney had her share of controversies, including a scuffle with Capitol Police. She was elected to Congress in 1992, lost a bid for reelection in 2002, regained her seat in 2004 and lost the 2006 primary.

In her campaign, she is pushing for the impeachment of President Bush and a quick end to the Iraq war. She also advocates a human rights plan that includes reform of the nation's voting system and slavery reparations for African Americans.

A potential threat to Obama?
Will any significant numbers of African Americans back her on reparations, something Obama is, obviously, not for?

Personlly, I suspect she'll not even do as well as Nader, and that neither of them alone of combined will make a difference in any state. But you never know. If you have another close state like Florida in 2000, even a few hundred votes could swing it.

[quixotecoyote]

Maybe I'm missing something, but that link seems to say that if she is elected president (and Bush is no longer president) she will then impeach Bush and remove him from the presidency. :confused:

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Maybe I'm missing something, but that link seems to say that if she is elected president (and Bush is no longer president) she will then impeach Bush and remove him from the presidency. :confused:

Well, this is the same woman who thinks Paris and Africa are countries, so I wouldn't be surprised.

[dudalb]

Well, this is the same woman who thinks Paris and Africa are countries, so I wouldn't be surprised.

The Green Party jumped the shark back in 2000,when it advocated "worker control" (ie, Nationaliszation) of all business's making over 100'000 dollars a year in profit ...and stated that was only a first step. A friend of mine who had been a Green Party supporter because of enviromental issues quit after that.
Mckinney is a joke, and will have no impact on the election whatsoever.
The whole slavery repratations issue is a non starter, and few blacks take it seriously.

[UserGoogol]

The Green Party jumped the shark back in 2000,when it advocated "worker control" (ie, Nationaliszation) of all business's making over 100'000 dollars a year in profit ...and stated that was only a first step. A friend of mine who had been a Green Party supporter because of enviromental issues quit after that.
Mckinney is a joke, and will have no impact on the election whatsoever.
The whole slavery repratations issue is a non starter, and few blacks take it seriously.

You've said this before, but there's absolutely nothing like "worker control" in the 2000 Green Party Platform. (http://www.gp.org/platform/2000/index.html) They have strong stances on labor and against corporate personhood and whatnot, but nothing that goes quite that far. Maybe it's something they said more coyly, and perhaps you've already answered this question so I apologize in advance for bothering you, but it would be really nice if you have any evidence of them making this position. Although if it's just second-hand through your friend that's understandable.

[Cleon]

You've said this before, but there's absolutely nothing like "worker control" in the 2000 Green Party Platform. (http://www.gp.org/platform/2000/index.html) They have strong stances on labor and against corporate personhood and whatnot, but nothing that goes quite that far. Maybe it's something they said more coyly, and perhaps you've already answered this question so I apologize in advance for bothering you, but it would be really nice if you have any evidence of them making this position. Although if it's just second-hand through your friend that's understandable.

Yeah, I'm unfamiliar with the GP having such a platform. Being a member, I think someone would at least drop me a note.

I wonder if dudalb might be thinking of the Greens/Green Party USA (http://www.greenparty.org), which is a different, much smaller, and rather more radical group than "the" Green Party of the United States (http://www.gp.org), which is the "real" Green Party.

[quixotecoyote]

Yeah, "workplace democracy" is about as far as the actual Greens go.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

The Green Party jumped the shark back in 2000,when it advocated "worker control" (ie, Nationaliszation) of all business's making over 100'000 dollars a year in profit ...and stated that was only a first step. A friend of mine who had been a Green Party supporter because of enviromental issues quit after that.
Mckinney is a joke, and will have no impact on the election whatsoever.
The whole slavery repratations issue is a non starter, and few blacks take it seriously.

I am pretty sure you are mixing them up with The Greens, a smaller, more radical party.

But even then, worker control doesn't mean nationalization.

[dudalb]

I problem did mean the Green Party, USA.
But The mainstream Green Party is making a mistake, then, by choosing someone as kooky as McKinney,particulalry with her history of borderline Anti Semitism and wild statements.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I problem did mean the Green Party, USA.
But The mainstream Green Party is making a mistake, then, by choosing someone as kooky as McKinney,particulalry with her history of borderline Anti Semitism and wild statements.

But it will be good for comedians! She could be the Badnarik of 2008.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

I problem did mean the Green Party, USA.
But The mainstream Green Party is making a mistake, then, by choosing someone as kooky as McKinney,particulalry with her history of borderline Anti Semitism and wild statements.

Well, of all the people running, she was kinda the best. Of course, that is a very relative term :p .

[Cleon]

But it will be good for comedians! She could be the Badnarik of 2008.

AFAIK, the "craziest" thing McKinney is advocating is reparations. It's nowhere near the level of arguing for the "right" to personally own thermonuclear weapons (a la Badnarik).

But fear not - the Libertarians are running Bob Barr, who's nuttier than a pistachio farm.

[BPSCG]

This was from the Chicago Sun-Times (http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/1048670,CST-NWS-green10web.article):
Four candidates remain in the race for the party's nomination for president but McKinney has the lion's share of the the delegates and appears to have the nomination locked up.

One workshop Thursday offers "A Clear Path Towards Dismantling and Ending All "ism" (Racism, sexism, classism and white privilege) within the Green Party by 2012.""A Clear Path Towards Dismantling and Ending All 'ism'..."

Of course, you all remember that familiar mantra they taught you when you were a kid: "You can't spell 'white privilege' without I-S-M..."

And if they intend to end all "ism", does that include Hinduism?
Environmentalism?
Capitalism?
Judaism?
Atheism?

Question: If the Greenies wanted to nominate a whackjob defeated former Georgia Congressman, why didn't they nominate Bob Barr?

[Tsukasa Buddha]

This was from the Chicago Sun-Times (http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/1048670,CST-NWS-green10web.article):
"A Clear Path Towards Dismantling and Ending All 'ism'..."

Of course, you all remember that familiar mantra they taught you when you were a kid: "You can't spell 'white privilege' without I-S-M..."

And if they intend to end all "ism", does that include Hinduism?
Environmentalism?
Capitalism?
Judaism?
Atheism?

Question: If the Greenies wanted to nominate a whackjob defeated former Georgia Congressman, why didn't they nominate Bob Barr?

C'mon, that is so boring. The "isms" referred to are the isms of oppression, like ageism, sexism, etc.

If you really want to make them look bad, you should quote these parts:

But party members also seem a bit more controversial on some issues. They are set to hold their national convention here starting Thursday, expected to nominate as their candidate for president former U.S. Rep. Cynthia McKinney, D-Ga., who has argued that President Bush knew in advance about the 9-11 attacks.

They also have workshops scheduled on such issues as "The 60th Anniversaries of the Palestinian Catastrophe (Nakba) and the U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights." That refers to the founding of Israel.

[Brainster]

AFAIK, the "craziest" thing McKinney is advocating is reparations. It's nowhere near the level of arguing for the "right" to personally own thermonuclear weapons (a la Badnarik).

Don't forget she's also a 9-11 "Truther". She's guaranteed to be a source of hilarity on the campaign trail, provided the media pay any attention to her.

[Cleon]

Don't forget she's also a 9-11 "Truther".

She's not, really. She called for an investigation to find out who in the Bush Administration might have known in advance - an investigation that Congress did wind up conducting. This was spun by a lot of people to say that she accused the administration of complicity, but that's not really what happened.

Yeah, her rhetoric was over-the-top, but it's not accurate to call her a "Truther" in the vein of Alex Jones & Co.

[WildCat]

This was from the Chicago Sun-Times (http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/1048670,CST-NWS-green10web.article):
"A Clear Path Towards Dismantling and Ending All 'ism'..."

Of course, you all remember that familiar mantra they taught you when you were a kid: "You can't spell 'white privilege' without I-S-M..."

And if they intend to end all "ism", does that include Hinduism?
Environmentalism?
Capitalism?
Judaism?
Atheism?

Question: If the Greenies wanted to nominate a whackjob defeated former Georgia Congressman, why didn't they nominate Bob Barr?

C'mon, that is so boring. The "isms" referred to are the isms of oppression, like ageism, sexism, etc.

If you really want to make them look bad, you should quote these parts:
Stop it! I'm sick and tired of the ism schism.

[Puppycow]

This was from the Chicago Sun-Times (http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/1048670,CST-NWS-green10web.article):
"A Clear Path Towards Dismantling and Ending All 'ism'..."

Of course, you all remember that familiar mantra they taught you when you were a kid: "You can't spell 'white privilege' without I-S-M..."

And if they intend to end all "ism", does that include Hinduism?
Environmentalism?
Capitalism?
Judaism?
Atheism?

Question: If the Greenies wanted to nominate a whackjob defeated former Georgia Congressman, why didn't they nominate Bob Barr?
Yeah! White-privilegism! But, wait, what about Marxism? :dig:

[Texas]

That's my candidate!!! She is awesome.

[BPSCG]

C'mon, that is so boring. The "isms" referred to are the isms of oppression, like ageism, sexism, etc....Zionism...

[Sefarst]

She came and spoke at my college during an event hosted by the NAACP. I can assure everyone that she is just as nutty with the cameras off as she is when they are on.

And can someone tell me why the hell she isn't in prison right now? I always thought assaulting a police officer was a crime...

[MaGZ]

Yeah, I'm unfamiliar with the GP having such a platform. Being a member, I think someone would at least drop me a note.

I wonder if dudalb might be thinking of the Greens/Green Party USA (http://www.greenparty.org), which is a different, much smaller, and rather more radical group than "the" Green Party of the United States (http://www.gp.org), which is the "real" Green Party.

So if an anti-semite becomes the leader of you party...whatchagonado?

[Cleon]

So if an anti-semite becomes the leader of you party...whatchagonado?

Leave.

Fortunately, I find that possibility about as likely as you attending Yeshiva.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

It's official - the Green Party has nominated a mentally ill candidate: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/12/mckinney.green.party/index.html

[varwoche]

She's not [a 911 truther], really. Coulda fooled me. iK2FfikZzKk Dr. Jones, Mr. Gage, and all the members of the 911 truth movement, the new organization of young people called We Are Change, I love you.

[varwoche]

(1)Dr. Jones, (2)Mr. Gage, and all the (3)members of the 911 truth movement, the new organization of young people called (4)We Are Change, I love you.

(1) Jones' website Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice (http://stj911.org/)
(2) Gage's website Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (http://www.ae911truth.org/)
(3) enough said
(4) 911 truth advocacy group (http://9-11.meetup.com/321/calendar/8142614/?a=mu_shw853vvq7)

[dudalb]

Leave.

Fortunately, I find that possibility about as likely as you attending Yeshiva.


Have fun ignoring the huge amount of baggage that Mc Kinney brings with her.
The Green Party has just made a huge mistake.

[geni]

AFAIK, the "craziest" thing McKinney is advocating is reparations. It's nowhere near the level of arguing for the "right" to personally own thermonuclear weapons (a la Badnarik).


I had that right up until about 2001 (well I might have run into some rules about the storage of radioactives).

[Cleon]

Have fun ignoring the huge amount of baggage that Mc Kinney brings with her.
The Green Party has just made a huge mistake.

Thank you for your substantial contribution to the topic.

[Sefarst]

Thank you for your substantial contribution to the topic.
Did you vote in the primary? Who'd you vote for?

[Cleon]

Did you vote in the primary? Who'd you vote for?

The Georgia Green Party doesn't have a primary. And no, I didn't make it to the state convention.

[WildCat]

Green Party goals for 2008:
1. Try to make Cynthia McKinney look less bat-guano crazy.
2. Refill coffee maker.
3. Regain the glory days when Ralph Nader could command 2% of the vote.
4. Appear less insane than Libertarians.
5. Make punch and pie to boost attendance at next meeting.
6. Fewer people pointing and laughing when they find out the POTUS nominee is Cynthia McKinney.
7. Personally thank all 6 people who voted Green in the last election.
8. Photocopy someone's butt and pass it around the office; hilarity ensues.
9. Find a talk show radio station desperate enough to have them on.
10. Find out the identity of The Man.

[dudalb]

Green Party goals for 2008:
1. Try to make Cynthia McKinney look less bat-guano crazy.
2. Refill coffee maker.
3. Regain the glory days when Ralph Nader could command 2% of the vote.
4. Appear less insane than Libertarians.
5. Make punch and pie to boost attendance at next meeting.
6. Fewer people pointing and laughing when they find out the POTUS nominee is Cynthia McKinney.
7. Personally thank all 6 people who voted Green in the last election.
8. Photocopy someone's butt and pass it around the office; hilarity ensues.
9. Find a talk show radio station desperate enough to have them on.
10. Find out the identity of The Man.

I just lost my coffee laughing at this.
I am still trying to figure out how the Green Party could have thought this was a good idea.

[BPSCG]

I just lost my coffee laughing at this.
I am still trying to figure out how the Green Party could have thought this was a good idea.You notice their party platform says nothing about banning psychoactive drugs. Take that as a hint.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Green Party goals for 2008:
1. Try to make Cynthia McKinney look less bat-guano crazy.
2. Refill coffee maker.
3. Regain the glory days when Ralph Nader could command 2% of the vote.
4. Appear less insane than Libertarians.
5. Make punch and pie to boost attendance at next meeting.
6. Fewer people pointing and laughing when they find out the POTUS nominee is Cynthia McKinney.
7. Personally thank all 6 people who voted Green in the last election.
8. Photocopy someone's butt and pass it around the office; hilarity ensues.
9. Find a talk show radio station desperate enough to have them on.
10. Find out the identity of The Man.

:dl:

[Axiom_Blade]

Uurrrggh. McKinney.
When I voted in our Green primary, there was (if I remember correctly) 5 candidates. I put her at #3. I think after seeing that, I would've put her at #5.

The problem is, of all the candidates, she's the only one with any name recognition outside of the Green party. That's not necessarily a good thing. Most of her recognition comes from being crazier than a big ol' bucket o' crazy.

Also: "The Democrats have a black man, and a white woman...let's have a black woman." I'm sure that was a big factor, as well. (Sadly enough.)

Considering the last candidate was David Cobb, this looks like a big step backwards. At least Cobb had the cajones to get himself arrested with Badnarik while protesting outside the presidential debates. That was noble. McKinney's just an embarrassment. I fully expect her to start ranting about chemtrails next.

[BPSCG]

I fully expect her to start ranting about chemtrails next.Don't forget the black helicopters.

Or maybe the black helicopters is racist...

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Ugh, I agree with the Green Party platform in a lot of places, but this just shows why they are completely impotent.

Did you see their presidential debates? As I said before, McKinney was the best of the candidates, and that is really, really sad.

And have you read about the VP yet?

[shuize]

Nominating McKinney to be their presidential candidate is going to be hard for the party to ever live down. If I'm still alive 50 years from now I bet I'll still remember that they nominated a complete lunatic for president in 2008.

[Puppycow]

Nominating McKinney to be their presidential candidate is going to be hard for the party to ever live down. If I'm still alive 50 years from now I bet I'll still remember that they nominated a complete lunatic for president in 2008.

Well, the Green Party itself may be a laughingstock, but both major party candidates seem to have extremely ambious Green Goals.

If the goal is envionmentalism, that seems to be doing pretty well, regardless of the Green Party.

[gtc]

Coulda fooled me. iK2FfikZzKk

The best bits were at 04:45 when she said:

But now we know that there was no pilot for the plane on September 11 and the plane still flew.

At 06:30 when she claimed that everything we knew about Martin Luther King Jr's murder was lies and that we don't know what happened to Malcolm X and JFK.

And at 08:00 when she deplored 'their' (meaning the US government) 'criminal behaviour on September 11'.

Is CT nuttery now official Green policy?

[Mark6]

Well, the Green Party itself may be a laughingstock, but both major party candidates seem to have extremely ambious Green Goals.

If the goal is envionmentalism, that seems to be doing pretty well, regardless of the Green Party.
True. Envionmentalism has become mainstream -- of which I am very happy. And Green Party had to do something to keep from becoming obsolete... and did. :D

[Pardalis]

Will any significant numbers of African Americans back her on reparations

What does she mean by "reparations", exactly?

How far back does this reparation thing go?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Considering the last candidate was David Cobb, this looks like a big step backwards. At least Cobb had the cajones to get himself arrested with Badnarik while protesting outside the presidential debates. That was noble. McKinney's just an embarrassment. I fully expect her to start ranting about chemtrails next.

Trying to figure out who is the bigger nutjob between McKinney and Cobb??

I believe that's the very definition of a Mexican standoff.