The truth poem

[reverebison]

You are the universe
There is no other choice, since everything is the universe

You follow the same rules
You cannot be created or destroyed
You have existed forever
You are infinitely old

You are not your life
You are not your consciousness
These are formations,
Like a sun or a molecule of iron
A rock, leaf, comet, planet

Formations come and go
They are mortal
But what makes formations
The part that cannot be divided
Is immortal
That is you.

When you form a sun
Or a rock, or a leaf
You are unconscious
You experience nothing,
Not the movement of time

When you form a consciousness
You experience
You feel the movement of time
You live and
You become aware of the rest of
The universe around you

You live the life of the consciousness
You have formed

Your thoughts are based on the
Genetic capabilities of the
Consciousness you have formed

A bird, a fish, an insect
All you have experienced

A human
What you are experiencing now

When you die you return

The part of the universe which is you returns
To create more formations

Endless formations of suns, rocks, leaves.
Until the inevitable time in this infinite universe
When you form another consciousness.

[Beerina]

You are the universe
There is no other choice, since everything is the universe

You follow the same rules
You cannot be created or destroyed
You have existed forever
You are infinitely old

Apparently memory loss is a problem, then. For which I might as well not have had any previous experiences

Of course, what to do if you could live forever becomes an issue since, with a finite (if ungodly large) number of types of particles and atoms, and positions and relations and momentums of atoms that are meaningfully different over any given finite time span (to say nothing of infinite), the problem of eventual repition becomes an issue.

Googolplex to the googolplex years? Fine. But eventually you'll start repeating. But long before then your brain will have run out of storage room. You'll keep on living, I guess, but you'll flat-out forget long-term unused memories. Or perhaps the brain will stop working. Nobody knows because that device has never been tried beyond 120 years or so, max, and even then the brains are largely sickly and have been losing neurons for decades, at best.

You are not your life
You are not your consciousness
These are formations,
Like a sun or a molecule of iron
A rock, leaf, comet, planet

If I am not my consciousness, then I care not what happens to "me".

Formations come and go
They are mortal
But what makes formations
The part that cannot be divided
Is immortal
That is you.

And that's why you die. Since your consciousness is you is a formation which mechanically fails and disassociates eventually. The form is the entity. And if it isn't, then there's just some physics of some other realm that does constitute it, so it just pushes off the issue one level, not solving it.


When you form a sun
Or a rock, or a leaf
You are unconscious
You experience nothing,
Not the movement of time

And this is distinguishable from death or never having been born how?

When you form a consciousness
You experience
You feel the movement of time
You live and
You become aware of the rest of
The universe around you

You live the life of the consciousness
You have formed

Your thoughts are based on the
Genetic capabilities of the
Consciousness you have formed

Correct. And when it fails mechanically, then I do what is known as "die". Since I am made up of normal "stuff" from physics, it's conceivable I might become aware at some future point thanks to a "techno rapture", or even less likely, a random smashing together of elementary particles, but that's along the order of a car suddenly forming from randomly bouncing air molecules. Theoretically possible, but...


A bird, a fish, an insect
All you have experienced

While it's possible my particular consciousness did "become aware" on some minimal animal level in the past (sort of a past time equivalent of future random re-assemblage) it does me no good since I do not maintain any of the memories or experiences (such as they might be) from said instantiations. So, quaint, if exceedingly unlikely, at best.

A human
What you are experiencing now

When you die you return

The part of the universe which is you returns
To create more formations

Endless formations of suns, rocks, leaves.
Until the inevitable time in this infinite universe
When you form another consciousness.

No one disagrees. "Dust to dust, ashes to ashes" -- this is wonderful poetry for you being nothing more than the stuff you see around, in a fancy combination. It's the information that does not get passed through to future reincarnations, so I might as well be someone else, for all intents and purposes, in the incredibly unlikely event something remotely approaching whatever instantiates my particular mind re-assembles, mostly, at some other point in time.

[reverebison]

We are the universe
we are the part that cannot be divided
we form things

the universe makes suns
the universe also evolves life

these are examples of formations

a consciousness is a formation also

when we form this,,and when we are advanced enough
to be aware of our own mortality then:

We are the universe understanding itself.


One more very important thing:

because we form infinite varieties of consciousness, over infinite time, we thus form primitive consciousness....like chickens, pigs, sheep, cows.

We humans raise food animals in often deporable conditions. Chickens crammed into cages to lay eggs, often going insane...same for pigs..veal calves. The hellish conditions of these animals, and the incredible suffering so many of them go through makes the Hell of the Bible seem like a summer picnic.

Yet we form the consciousness of these animals when we die. the matter, the unviverse which is us...forms many things..inlcuding the consciousness of food animals....and we experience their suffering, we live their lives.


We need to make sure that all advanced consciousness that we are responsble for, are treated as humanely as possible, and when put to death, it is done humanely. If you care nothing of animals for food,,,but can grasp the concept of being linked to the physical universe and that matter is always recycled, and that life is supported from the matter of the dead.....then maybe you can grasp the horrifying reality that maybe, just maybe after you die that you do indeed form other consciousness,,,and that just maybe it may not always be human.