Coffins ready-made for FEMA deathcamps. Debunking help please. [Archive]

Zorglub

16th July 2008, 04:04 AM

On one woo-site I ran into this link
http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=s&lat=32.3 ... 32.320277%2C%20-96.608030
the poster claiming this was evidence for the evhul goverments plans of executing dissident in the upcoming FEMA/NWO death camp- holiday resorts.
(and isn´t funny that "they" will kill us all in the hundreds of thousands. But "they" still makes coffins for all of the corpses? Why not just dig a deep hole and dump us there?)

So after using my googleskills (and zoom out plus using hybrid map) I found out that what we are looking at is Ennis, Texas. And after some more googleling i found these maps. Obviously this is some sort of industrial area. Companys located nearby works in the filed of plumbing, construction etc etc.
http://www.insiderpages.com/b/3722028011
http://www.merchantcircle.com/directory/TX-Ennis/category/Home.And.Garden

My question is this: It would take a few wild horses to make me belive in the whole death camp-stories. But I cannnot figure out what these black boxes really are. Anyone who would care to tell me?

zaphod2016

16th July 2008, 04:43 AM

Those, my good sir, are time cubes:

http://www.timecube.com/

Proudly Made in the USA since SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY

Zorglub

16th July 2008, 04:50 AM

Those, my good sir, are time cubes:

http://www.timecube.com/

Proudly Made in the USA since SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY

Ah yes of course. Your ordinary pre-fabricated IKEA time cubes. Silly me:)

LordoftheLeftHand

16th July 2008, 05:53 AM

I couldn't get your yahoo link to work but is this the right area?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_5153487de14716f95.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=13037)

Zorglub

16th July 2008, 06:46 AM

I couldn't get your yahoo link to work but is this the right area?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_5153487de14716f95.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=13037)
Yepp, that is the one!
I´ll try the link again: http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=s&lat=32.319928&lon=-96.60788&zoom=19&q1=32.320277%2C%20-96.608030

Horatius

16th July 2008, 07:05 AM

Yepp, that is the one!
I´ll try the link again: http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=s&lat=32.319928&lon=-96.60788&zoom=19&q1=32.320277%2C%20-96.608030

I have no idea what they are, but they seem to be built on the same scale as the cars in that photo. And based on the shadows, they look to be taller than the cars - so, some awfully big "coffins".

Perhaps they're getting ready for the War Against The Giants, or something!

NobbyNobbs

16th July 2008, 07:09 AM

Cargo containers?

Solar paneled rooftops?

Sheet rock, or other building material?

Zorglub

16th July 2008, 07:20 AM

I have no idea what they are, but they seem to be built on the same scale as the cars in that photo. And based on the shadows, they look to be taller than the cars - so, some awfully big "coffins".

Perhaps they're getting ready for the War Against The Giants, or something!
Cargo containers?

Solar paneled rooftops?

Sheet rock, or other building material?
Oh I wish cargo containers where made in black.
-OMG teh NWO black helicopters AND cargo containers.
That would be very stylish wouldn´t it? And a final proof of the NWO diabolic plan. Everything manufactured for them is unmarked and painted black. I now nilch about container manufacturing. But I imagine they are pantied in differents colours, on site?
Sheet rock, solar paneled rooftops. Well, why not.

Portable laboratories for cow mutilating perhaps?

JonathanClement

16th July 2008, 08:49 AM

Coffins? Or, for Gods sake! That's just RIDICULOUS! First, those are obviously way to BIG for coffins. Second, why would they just keep them out in the open like that? Third, why have coffins at all when you can conveniently give them, as Fred Phelps put it "THE BURIAL OF AN ASS!"? And Fourth, burying them in coffins, and even just HAVING coffins would take up too much room. It just wouldn't be practical if there WAS such a conspiracy.

I swear, the trivial things people can get so worked up over these days, I swear... -_-

van_dutch

16th July 2008, 08:52 AM

Giggywig

16th July 2008, 09:12 AM

Salik Plumbing
604 Rumbo Rd Ennis, TX 75119
972 - 878 - 6659

They are on that street, I don't know if they are that particular lot. Somebody can call them up and ask.

van_dutch

16th July 2008, 09:46 AM

Putting that address into google maps, the resulting location is the lot in question. Big long black objects sitting at a plumbing place, seems like plastic drainage pipe like I had mentioned earlier.

LordoftheLeftHand

16th July 2008, 10:02 AM

If you believed the US Government was planning on killing a bunch of its citizens, and was storing coffins for that purpose at this place:

Would you just go up to the fence and take a picture of them. I mean it appears to be bordered by public roads...

LLH

mrbaracuda

16th July 2008, 11:02 AM

They'll put the twoofers into the pipes and then.. well I can't tell you that.

Zorglub

16th July 2008, 11:14 AM

Big plastic pipes/ducts! If there are plumbing and construction companies around, they are probably being held there until needed on a job. The are made from HDPE (if my ninja google mojo is flowing properly). They are used primarily for drainage. Look at the image on this page: http://havelockbuildingsupply.com/drainage.html Some of these pipes have fairly large diameters, according to my searching. The product catalog on this page: http://www.ads-pipe.com/en/index.asp has a bunch of images as well as sizes. That's all I feel like posting up in terms of links as these had some pretty good images. If you search for HDPE pipe a whole slew of manufacturers comes up.
Ah yes. This would be much more likely, especially with the plumbing business on that same adress. On a photo taken of these, from a few miles above, i´m pretty sure one would have the same result as the satellite picture in question.

I think portable cow mutilation laboratories is much funnier though :D I wonder what it is like inside a twoofers head. My guess is that their world is way more interesting than ours. Everything could be a clue, de-cloaking the hidden plans of "them".

Coffins? Or, for Gods sake! That's just RIDICULOUS! First, those are obviously way to BIG for coffins. Second, why would they just keep them out in the open like that? Third, why have coffins at all when you can conveniently give them, as Fred Phelps put it "THE BURIAL OF AN ASS!"? And Fourth, burying them in coffins, and even just HAVING coffins would take up too much room. It just wouldn't be practical if there WAS such a conspiracy.

I swear, the trivial things people can get so worked up over these days, I swear... -_-
Five. With all the ruckus about military agencies over the world removing pictures of sensitive installation on google maps and suchlike. How come they missed all the coffins?
Well, of course this is another of "their" amazing mistakes revealing the plot to the open minded.

Horatius

16th July 2008, 12:41 PM

So, "Evidence" of FEMA Happy Camps plans to reasonable explanation in less than 6 hours.

And the Twoofers wonder why we don't take them very seriously these days....

defaultdotxbe

16th July 2008, 04:06 PM

So, "Evidence" of FEMA Happy Camps plans to reasonable explanation in less than 6 hours.

And the Twoofers wonder why we don't take them very seriously these days....
it took me about 5 minutes after reading the OP to find out ADS Pipe was on that lot, was about to post when i saw van dutch already had, lol

so anyway, not nearly 6 hours, not even 6 minutes, lol

Cl1mh4224rd

16th July 2008, 06:09 PM

Hah. The evil government is storing their coffins in an unobscured location next to an interstate highway. Awesome.

gumboot

16th July 2008, 06:14 PM

Clearly FEMA is going to compress everyone down into a nutritious slurry, pump it through those black pipes, and spray it onto the fields to produce fantastic corn for the remaining 15%.

Dog Town

16th July 2008, 06:52 PM

defaultdotxbe

16th July 2008, 07:07 PM

Zorglub

17th July 2008, 01:19 AM

Now, I have discussed this with some "open-minded" people. Apparently, "they" will use plastic coffins because this will increase the rate of incineration when they cremate us.

Plastic makes a nice hot fire. Ergo: plastic coffins.
*sigh*

Edit: Oh apparently "they" are already listing us in different colours.
http://dprogram.wordpress.com/2008/05/31/fema-red-blue-list-marked-for-termination/
We are all on a Red or Blue list somewhere, those on the red list will be woken at 4am and taken to the camps and probably killed
Good to know what time they will take us away. Now at least I can set my alarm and get up to make breakfast before taking off.
Now, in my narrow sighted mind I always thought that there will be a itsy bitsy problem with arresting a few thousand people in the matter of hours. The weapon per capita in the US is quite impressive. So how would it be possible to arrest all those hostile to the goverment? It is not too a far fetched idea imagining that quite a few will put up armed resistance, no?
Now, what good a truther would you be if you coulnd´t come up with an answer to this?
The Regional BLUE List stated that the names on the BLUE List would be picked up ‘within six weeks of the actual martial law declaration.’ It will work if the 300,000 Soviet troops which are ALREADY HERE can get the guns.....Over 30 foreign military bases under the United Nations flag are already set up in the USA . These bases are already manned with over ONE MILLION troops from Russia, Poland, Germany, Belgium, Turkey, Great Britain, Nicaragua, and Asian countries. They will have no qualms about firing on U.S. citizens.....
The Belgian commies are on your trail citizen!

Horatius

17th July 2008, 06:16 AM

The Regional BLUE List stated that the names on the BLUE List would be picked up ‘within six weeks of the actual martial law declaration.’ It will work if the 300,000 Soviet troops which are ALREADY HERE can get the guns.....Over 30 foreign military bases under the United Nations flag are already set up in the USA . These bases are already manned with over ONE MILLION troops from Russia, Poland, Germany, Belgium, Turkey, Great Britain, Nicaragua, and Asian countries. They will have no qualms about firing on U.S. citizens.....
The Belgian commies are on your trail citizen!

So, if there's already 30 bases in the US, which already have over 1 million foreign troops, is it too much to ask them to document even one of these bases? 30 bases, that's an average of 3333 troops per base. Show me one. One base with over 3000 foreign troops stationed there.

Just one.....

WildCat

17th July 2008, 06:35 AM

Those "Soviet" troops must be getting pretty long in the tooth by now!

LordoftheLeftHand

17th July 2008, 07:04 AM

Those "Soviet" troops must be getting pretty long in the tooth by now!

Good point, I heard this claim over 10 years ago by Alex Jones. It might even be older than that.

LLH

Zorglub

17th July 2008, 07:06 AM

So, if there's already 30 bases in the US, which already have over 1 million foreign troops, is it too much to ask them to document even one of these bases? 30 bases, that's an average of 3333 troops per base. Show me one. One base with over 3000 foreign troops stationed there.

Just one.....

The answer will probably be that they are embedded within ordinary army bases. That removes the burden of proof from the truthers. Hey, the bases are already there. Every soldier looks the same in unifrom.

Now, while we´re at it. The same posts states that the marking of american citizens has aldready begun:
Posted By: Watchman
Date: Friday, 9 May 2008, 11:44 p.m.

Recently I have noticed BOTH a red and blue disc, about the size of a nickel, and placed on the outside of my mailbox. They are relatively newly placed. They can be removed but are stuck really well. They are reasonably thick and would weather well. They are not just paper. They are reflective. I live off the main road, and I drove to town tonight carefully eyeing all the mailboxes along the way. The vast majority had yellow discs, which are reflective, and show up well in the car headlights. As I got into town, I noticed some larger colored discs on the curb at several houses. I would imagine they could be placed on door posts as well, or most any hard surface such as a wall. Go outside at dark with a flashlight and check it out,and see if they are in your area also.
Now, in my youth i worked as a paper boy. In sweden we used stickers with different markings that we put on the mail box. Every paper had its own sticker. One paper was yellow, another red, red with white stripes a s o. The stickers where reflective so they easily could be spotted in the dark.
Does anyone knows if the same system is used in the US?
If so I can easily see why the writer had a different colour than the majority of his citizen. He/she probably subscribes to a paper not many neighbours reads.

Buuuuut....if this is the case, I guess the paper boy and delivery firms is "in on it" as well.

Belgian commie paper boys marking your door before the soviet troops comes and takes you away at 4 am.

aggle-rithm

17th July 2008, 07:33 AM

gumboot

17th July 2008, 08:17 AM

Actually, that corn has already been earmarked for ethanol production, to be used in the slurry manufacturing process.

Damn those NWO punks are efficient!

van_dutch

17th July 2008, 12:32 PM

it took me about 5 minutes after reading the OP to find out ADS Pipe was on that lot, was about to post when i saw van dutch already had, lol

so anyway, not nearly 6 hours, not even 6 minutes, lol

I didn't even know ADS was there. I found their page by searching and they had lots of pictures and dimensions in their catalog.

as far as claims of foreign bases in the US..... this is just ridiculous. what are they using as proof? in terms of the disks, sounds like they are reflectors so people don't hit things (http://www.acehardwaresuperstore.com/reflectors-314-p-62830.html?ref=42) they come in other colors too. up here in MA we put the ones on stakes on the edge of the lawn so the plows go too far and start chewing up the grass.

Zorglub

18th July 2008, 01:26 AM

I didn't even know ADS was there. I found their page by searching and they had lots of pictures and dimensions in their catalog.

as far as claims of foreign bases in the US..... this is just ridiculous. what are they using as proof? in terms of the disks, sounds like they are reflectors so people don't hit things (http://www.acehardwaresuperstore.com/reflectors-314-p-62830.html?ref=42) they come in other colors too. up here in MA we put the ones on stakes on the edge of the lawn so the plows go too far and start chewing up the grass.

Muahahaha! Brilliant, of course this is what he saw. I do wonder, the person who wrote this piece of cr*p. Was he lying his pants off or did he really believe the reflector disks was a secret code from FEMA/NWO?
I´m not sure I want to know.

Another graduate from teh University of Youtube
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=wYp85QMJd1Q
Polyguard vaults/coffins he says. In that sense that the video shows black, plastic something, in piles, I can see the resemblance yes. But the zoom up only lasta for a few seconds.
I guess I want you all to take another shot telling me what it is we´re looking at (the video is only 1.48 min).

Edit:
Ok, my head hurts from reading trutherspeak. I found this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwze58K8ofo
Apparently this is some sort of coffin shaped thingy. FF to 50 secs. The rest is just ordinary truther propaganda.

Horatius

18th July 2008, 05:50 AM

Ok, my head hurts from reading trutherspeak. I found this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwze58K8ofo
Apparently this is some sort of coffin shaped thingy. FF to 50 secs. The rest is just ordinary truther propaganda.

Interesting that Googling can't find anyone who actually uses or makes plastic coffins. You'd think that if FEMA was buying hundreds of thousands of these, someone would be thinking about actually selling them somewhere else, to at least make a little money before offing us all.

I've e-mailed a friend in the funeral industry to see if he's ever seen anything like this. I'll let you know what he says.

And on a different issue, why is it that all these FEMA death camp stockpiles are just sitting next to publicly accessible roads, that any jackass with a camera can just walk up to? If you were planning the extermination of 80% of your neighbours, wouldn't you at least try to hide your preparations, even just a little bit?

Zorglub

18th July 2008, 07:23 AM

Interesting that Googling can't find anyone who actually uses or makes plastic coffins. You'd think that if FEMA was buying hundreds of thousands of these, someone would be thinking about actually selling them somewhere else, to at least make a little money before offing us all.

Well, just guessing wildly I´ll say that there is money to be found making cheap, easy-to-transport coffins. War, natural disasters, famine. Basically everywhere people dies in the numbers there is a need for a coffin not made out och hand made intelligent pear tree, with bells, multicoloured ribbons and flowers. All for your pleasure.
Red Cross, U.N and suchlike. They´ll all, I´m sure, be in need of coffins.

I've e-mailed a friend in the funeral industry to see if he's ever seen anything like this. I'll let you know what he says.
Ah thanks! Let´s hope he/she can shed some light on this.

And on a differnet issue, why is it that all these FEMA death camp stockpiles are just sitting next to publicly accessible roads, that any jackass with a camera can just walk up to? If you were planning the extermination of 80% of your neighbours, wouldn't you at least try to hide your preparations, even just a little bit?
For the same reason the villain always tells Bond about his evhul plans before he tries, and utterly fails, to execute him.
I guess it´s the universal evil villain rules?

Sabrina

18th July 2008, 07:25 AM

Travis

18th July 2008, 07:58 AM

Sabrina

18th July 2008, 08:25 AM

No, to the best of my knowledge a battalion contains approximately 500-700 folks; a brigade around fifteen hundred. That's assuming the Germans follow the same system we do of course.

Gazpacho

18th July 2008, 02:39 PM

This is the kind of nonsense kids tell each other on the playground in first grade, on par with McDonald's putting nasal mucus in the milkshakes. How do people get to adulthood like that?

dudalb

18th July 2008, 02:43 PM

Those "Soviet" troops must be getting pretty long in the tooth by now!

Yeah, they must be in the same boat as those Japanese solidiers in the Jungles in the Phillipinnes, who did not surrender until the mid 1960's.....
How can people believe that crap?
I remember how, in the mid 90's, one Gurkha officer who was training with a US Army unit in the Rockies became, in the minds of the Militia Morons, a horde of Gurkhas hiding in the National forests under UN command to take over the US.
That is as crazy as you can get, although it would have been fun to see how long the Michigan Militia would have lasted fighting it out with a Gurkha outfit. About two minutes, I think, and I am being generous.

dudalb

18th July 2008, 02:45 PM

No, to the best of my knowledge a battalion contains approximately 500-700 folks; a brigade around fifteen hundred. That's assuming the Germans follow the same system we do of course.

Considering the climate they come from, I suspect a long sick list for the Germans in the Summer consdering what Fort Bliss is like in the summer. I come from the Central Valley of California where 100 plus degrees are normal in the summer, and I found the summer temperatures at Bliss hard to take....

rwguinn

18th July 2008, 03:29 PM

Not sure of the exact numbers, Horatius, but Fort Bliss in El Paso, TX, has a large complement of German soldiers stationed there; or they did when I was stationed there (now that they're moving the ADA units to various other posts, I'm not sure where they'll go, but they're there for training in ADA as I recall, and since I don't think they're moving the school, they'll probably stay there).

Granted, it's not Soviet soldiers... but I'd guesstimate the numbers of Germans on Fort Bliss to be close to three thousand, perhaps. That's about two brigades, probably. Might be a bit under the limit though, depending on the time frame you're looking at.

I'm horrible at guesstimating though, so for all I know it's only three hundred. *LOL* I never saw them all in one place.

Then it has to be true! Just up the road, 60-odd miles, is Holloman Air Force Base, where the German Air Force was training! And Holloman was the home of the Stealth Fighters!
Don't know if they are still there. It was somewhat disconcerting, however, to see aircraft with German markings making a low pass at Roswell, however!

Horatius

19th July 2008, 05:23 AM

Well, just guessing wildly I´ll say that there is money to be found making cheap, easy-to-transport coffins. War, natural disasters, famine. Basically everywhere people dies in the numbers there is a need for a coffin not made out och hand made intelligent pear tree, with bells, multicoloured ribbons and flowers. All for your pleasure.
Red Cross, U.N and suchlike. They´ll all, I´m sure, be in need of coffins.

Ah thanks! Let´s hope he/she can shed some light on this.

Here's what my buddy had to say:

Never seen one or even heard of one. Cemeteries won't use it generally for the breakdown reasons. However casket vaults or grave liners (concrete casings for the casket) are lines with either strentex or abs plastics. The higher end ones are lined with stainless steel or copper, maybe bronze. For emergency situations body bags are used, you only really need two people to lift versus 4-6 for a casket.

Oh and body bags are cheaper than giant bus tub caskets - there's your proof.

Emphasis added.

He follows up with the observation:

I can't believe that people believe this ****

...which you'd think, after hanging out with me for so long, he'd have come to expect **** like this!

As for cheap, easy to transpose coffins, there are cardboard coffins:

http://www.ecosherpa.com/green-business/eco-coffins/

but of course, they look nothing like what's in those videos. There are also people trying to create "collapsible coffins" (mostly from South Africa, for some reason), but they don't look like they are commercially available yet:

http://www.freepatentauction.com/patent.php?nb=1099

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7377016.html

For the same reason the villain always tells Bond about his evhul plans before he tries, and utterly fails, to execute him.
I guess it´s the universal evil villain rules?

Ah, yes, the bragging rights, I keep forgetting that part....

Horatius

19th July 2008, 05:26 AM

Not sure of the exact numbers, Horatius, but Fort Bliss in El Paso, TX, has a large complement of German soldiers stationed there; or they did when I was stationed there (now that they're moving the ADA units to various other posts, I'm not sure where they'll go, but they're there for training in ADA as I recall, and since I don't think they're moving the school, they'll probably stay there).

Granted, it's not Soviet soldiers... but I'd guesstimate the numbers of Germans on Fort Bliss to be close to three thousand, perhaps. That's about two brigades, probably. Might be a bit under the limit though, depending on the time frame you're looking at.

I'm horrible at guesstimating though, so for all I know it's only three hundred. *LOL* I never saw them all in one place.

Actually, I kind of figured there were troops form NATO and the like on some US bases, but that it would be so easy to show that they weren't there for some nefarious reasons, so I left it out there as bait ;)

Heck, I know some Canadian soldiers who've gone down there to oppress learn from the Americans!

Perpetual Seeker

19th July 2008, 04:02 PM

Wow really? Where do people get these ideas? Must say i've not heard this one before.

That blog post linked to in a previous post seems to suggest it's all a movement against the poor Christians.

Zorglub

20th July 2008, 04:00 AM

Wow really? Where do people get these ideas? Must say i've not heard this one before.

That blog post linked to in a previous post seems to suggest it's all a movement against the poor Christians.

I have no idea how widespread this nutty "theory" is. But I´ve come to learn that no matter how stupid a fantasy about NWO is, there will be people promoting it as evidence.
But this story about coffins has a grain of truth to it as coffin shaped boxes apparently is manufactured somewhere. Question is what the heck the real purpose is. Sanitation, bulk containers?
http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coffinelinerscloseupll4.jpg
http://www.libertyforlife.com/images/500-thousand-coffin-liners.jpg

If the purpose of the coffins are to bury people one would expect handles on them right?

Edit: The Google is a good thing. This has been discussed on AboveTopSecret
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread321952/pg1

The objects in question are Burial Vaults. Similar to Caskets/Coffins in that the casket is covered with this Vault after burial. The logic behind these is that it keeps the ground from collapsing the casket over time. These also work on the Diving Bell principle. Water rises around the vault keeping the casket relatively protected if the water table is that high. These particular Vaults are G.I. issue vaults used mainly at National Cemeteries for Veterans. This company may be a legitimate manufacturer of this product and nothing more. Keep in mind Veterans of all ages are passing away ever increasingly nowadays.
http://www.polyguardvaults.com/

Perpetual Seeker

20th July 2008, 05:09 AM

Zorglub

20th July 2008, 06:45 AM

Zorglub, thanks for the links. That thread is way too long, but from skimming it it seems they've not come to any conclusion. Some have said it is definitely something, others have said there's nothing to worry about it.

I just don't get why someone would come up with such a crazy idea, and what they think the motive would be to carry this out. It's a little creepy, but I've not seen any evidence to even support it, besides these containers, which could be anything.

Basically the thread at ATS boils down to:
They´re actually coffins. There are a lot of them, estimated 200k in this one place. They were placed there 2002.
Wich makes sense, in the aftermath of 9/11 the fear of another, much worse attack, was in no way unrealistic.

~enigma~

20th July 2008, 09:00 AM

Basically the thread at ATS boils down to:
They´re actually coffins. There are a lot of them, estimated 200k in this one place. They were placed there 2002.
Wich makes sense, in the aftermath of 9/11 the fear of another, much worse attack, was in no way unrealistic.
It makes sense? Then why hasn't a proponent of the coffin idiocy went to Texas to take pictures?

Zorglub

20th July 2008, 10:11 AM

It makes sense? Then why hasn't a proponent of the coffin idiocy went to Texas to take pictures?

Actually they have taken a few pictures. The coffins are there, and has been since 2002.

What I meant with, "it makes sense", was that after 9/11 the fear of another attack causing casualties by the thousands wasn´t totally unrealistic. Therefore it makes sense if the goverment ordered some 200k of coffins. As a precaution. Having tons of dead bodies lying around is smelly and untidy.
On the other hand, this is one expensive way to bury people compared to body bags.

Hans

20th July 2008, 10:42 AM

There are hundreds of foreign officers at most US military branch schools. I remember at my FAS class at Ft. Sill we had Egyptians, Somalis, Ethipians, various Europeans, to include an interesting Luxemburger, Isrealis, Japanese, etc. Same for CAS and CGSC.

Coffins, at Ft. Bragg there is a warehouse that keeps a supply of coffins, I believe this was the source tapped to provide them for the Jones town Kool aide thingy.

~enigma~

20th July 2008, 10:43 AM

Actually they have taken a few pictures. The coffins are there, and has been since 2002.

What I meant with, "it makes sense", was that after 9/11 the fear of another attack causing casualties by the thousands wasn´t totally unrealistic. Therefore it makes sense if the goverment ordered some 200k of coffins. As a precaution. Having tons of dead bodies lying around is smelly and untidy.
On the other hand, this is one expensive way to bury people compared to body bags.
The black plastic pipes in a pluming supply company's yard are coffins? Do you believe in Santa Claus also?

Cl1mh4224rd

20th July 2008, 11:13 AM

The black plastic pipes in a pluming supply company's yard are coffins? Do you believe in Santa Claus also?

Settle down.

He's talking about different locations. The one in the OP is in Texas. The one talked about in the ATS thread is in Georgia.

~enigma~

20th July 2008, 11:15 AM

Settle down.

He's talking about different locations. The one in the OP is in Texas. The one talked about in the ATS thread is in Georgia.
Yes and the one in Georgia is a plumbing company also. The black boxes are not pipes but they could be any number of legitimate things. So calm down yourself.

Zorglub

20th July 2008, 12:52 PM

The black plastic pipes in a pluming supply company's yard are coffins? Do you believe in Santa Claus also?

No, let me make myself perfectly clear. Perhaps I´ve been fussy.
I do not belive that there is a conspiracy planning to imprison and/or kill thousands of people in deathcamps. Therefore FEMA has ordered, and received, coffins especially made for burying corpses from these happy-happy-joy-joy camps .
Ok? Are we clear on this?
Thanks.

But I do believe that this is one of the more wacky conspiracy theories, and I enjoy, as many other on this forum, to debunk crazy ideas. That said without a self-analyzis. Therefore I started this thread. For education (IE: me learning something) and perhaps amusement.

Now, apparently I was writing on the top of my head when I wrote about the sites wich actually has coffins on them. Of course I should have mentioned that the pictures of the coffins where not taken in the same location as the plumbing company in Ennis, TX.
The pictures of the coffins are not pictures taken in Ennis, TX.
Okidok?

Still, the people with the shiny tin-foil hats has actually found areas with thousands of coffins. Undenaibly. I do not "belive" in in them.
So, now we cannot say "-Oi! It´s plumbing tubes. Move on."
My theory was that, back in 2002, perhaps someone thought it would be a good idea to order coffins in case of a epidemic, natural distaster, terror attack or suchlike. NOT because GWB want´s to kill us all. Just as you yourself has staed.
If noone finds it interesting why there are an abundance of plastic coffins placed in one rural area. Well, then the thread will die. But this is one piece of "evidence" from the truthers. And as with everything else they´ve come up with so far it needs to be answered and explained.
Therefore my question still is, what are these legitimate reasons? We cannot just say there are legitimate reasons, and not specifying what these reasons are. I think you agree on this?

Sir, I will believe that your grumpy answer is a simple misunderstanding and probably caused by my english being a bit rusty. I have perhaps not been as clear as I should´ve been and you mistook me for someone with a nice shiny hat.

~enigma~

20th July 2008, 01:03 PM

No, let me make myself perfectly clear. Perhaps I´ve been fussy.
I do not belive that there is a conspiracy planning to imprison and/or kill thousands of people in deathcamps. Therefore FEMA has ordered, and received, coffins especially made for burying corpses from these happy-happy-joy-joy camps .
Ok? Are we clear on this?
Thanks.
Not exactly. The pictures from Georgia at first do look like vaults or liners but under no circumstances does that mean they are coffins except to the deluded people that believe the crap on ATS. As far as dead bodies in the event of a natural disaster, biological or chemical attack, nuclear explosion or war, it has been made abundantly clear that mass graves and mass cremation is a viable alternative. Now before you go off half cocked with a ludicrous theory it might be a good idea to read the FEMA guidelines for burying or disposing a contaminated body. Your theory has about as much merit as 9/11 being an inside job.

Zorglub

20th July 2008, 01:59 PM

Not exactly. The pictures from Georgia at first do look like vaults or liners but under no circumstances does that mean they are coffins except to the deluded people that believe the crap on ATS. As far as dead bodies in the event of a natural disaster, biological or chemical attack, nuclear explosion or war, it has been made abundantly clear that mass graves and mass cremation is a viable alternative. Now before you go off half cocked with a ludicrous theory it might be a good idea to read the FEMA guidelines for burying or disposing a contaminated body. Your theory has about as much merit as 9/11 being an inside job.
Oh, and was hoping I was very clear on this as well. I would have no problem whatsoever learning that a box-shaped thingy with a lid on it, identical to coffins manufactured by coffin-manufacturers, infact is something else used on a daily basis in some field of work or other. Belive me, I´ve read enough crap from truthers knowing that they can twist every little piece of information to a "proof".
But pray tell, if I cannot ask, here on JREF, what the heck these boxes are? Where should I ask then? LCF?
To me it seems your answer is: "-It´s a truther theory. Therefore their answer is wrong. ´nuff said."

I put forward an sketchy idea, without any personal prestige, hoping for someone to tell me why my idea was wrong or uttely ridicilous by giving me facts to why that was.
I can understand that you take me for someone JAQ:ing. After all, many truthers start off by asking questions and then defending their silly ideas to the death after answers has been provided. Belive me, this is not my agenda.
I am asking questions yes. But that is because I´ve read JREF for a few years and come to belive that it is a great place when one wants to find information, based on facts, from the real world.
You and I agree that these are not boxes ment for death camps. I do not know what the boxes really are. I am asking this, not because I want to see if you all JREF:ers will stand speechless to the twoof, I´m asking because I want to know.
If you want to slap me in the face for not knowing go right ahead.

~enigma~

20th July 2008, 02:12 PM

But pray tell, if I cannot ask, here on JREF, what the heck these boxes are? Your not asking. The subject is asking for debunking help yet according to your last few posts your mind is made up and you have your own theory. Seems to me that the request in the subject was not honest.

Zorglub

20th July 2008, 02:39 PM

Your not asking. The subject is asking for debunking help yet according to your last few posts your mind is made up and you have your own theory. Seems to me that the request in the subject was not honest.

Then my writers skill is far worse than I thought.
Ok, let me try it this way: my idea about that someone might have ordered coffins in case of a epidemic, disease etc was a plausible idea was infact very, very wrong. I was putting an idea to the test.
It didn´t hold up!

But I still haven´t learnt what these boxed-shaped things are. And I belive one is entitled to seek information from people who perhaps have expertise in the required area?

~enigma~

20th July 2008, 03:14 PM

But I still haven´t learnt what these boxed-shaped things are. And I belive one is entitled to seek information from people who perhaps have expertise in the required area?
Claiming you know the manufacturer is not asking anything. It is saying that you already know. Tell us, how was the manufacturer found? Post the pictures from ATS that show the "vaults" and the black boxes are not the same. Post the email sent asking FEMA if these were coffins and their response. You are asking nothing but attempting to say you already know.

Cl1mh4224rd

20th July 2008, 09:24 PM

Then my writers skill is far worse than I thought.

No, your writing skills are fine. ~enigma~ does this sort of thing all time: he misunderstands someone, attacks that person, then finds other reasons to continue attacking after that person has clarified their position in a manner that most people would find reasonable.

All too often he locks onto a target and just keeps firing away for no apparently sane reason.

At this point in your back-and-forth, it's best if you just stopped responding to him. Honest.

~enigma~

20th July 2008, 09:36 PM

No, your writing skills are fine. ~enigma~ does this sort of thing all time: he misunderstands someone, attacks that person, then finds other reasons to continue attacking after that person has clarified their position in a manner that most people would find reasonable.

All too often he locks onto a target and just keeps firing away for no apparently sane reason.

At this point in your back-and-forth, it's best if you just stopped responding to him. Honest.
I misunderstood the subject that says debunking help please? Ok guess your right, I misread it and it really says I know that these are FEMA coffins and I know the manufacturer. What did I misunderstand?

defaultdotxbe

20th July 2008, 10:15 PM

I misunderstood the subject that says debunking help please? Ok guess your right, I misread it and it really says I know that these are FEMA coffins and I know the manufacturer. What did I misunderstand?
well, partially that hes talking about a whole new set of "coffins" now

and of course the fact that someone asking for help is still allowed to think for himself and reach his own conclusions

Zorglub

21st July 2008, 02:13 AM

No, your writing skills are fine. ~enigma~ does this sort of thing all time: he misunderstands someone, attacks that person, then finds other reasons to continue attacking after that person has clarified their position in a manner that most people would find reasonable. Thanks,I´m glad to hear that. I was scratching my head wondering if my understanding of in the english langauge had hit rock bottom or perhaps you all, last night, had changed the meaning of every word without letting the rest of the world know. That was how it felt.
I guess it´s karma, after all I have pushed a twoofer or two around when discussing 9/11. Guess I got some of my own medicine :)

~enigma~

21st July 2008, 06:18 AM

well, partially that hes talking about a whole new set of "coffins" now

and of course the fact that someone asking for help is still allowed to think for himself and reach his own conclusions
Never said he couldn't...but I will say that asking for debunking help and then claiming to have all the answers (manufacturer, make, etc...) is not coming to conclusions it is JAQing off just like some truthers do when they come here.

Zorglub

21st July 2008, 07:14 AM

Never said he couldn't...but I will say that asking for debunking help and then claiming to have all the answers (manufacturer, make, etc...) is not coming to conclusions it is JAQing off just like some truthers do when they come here.

No you didn´t deliberatley say that I couldn´t ask any questions. Your behaviour though says something completely different. For some unknown reason you decided to twist some of the things I wrote and ignoring the rest. Actually, you showed off some typical truther behavior in the way you cherry-picked my words. Apparently your reading comprehension and my written language is a bad match.

You asked for a manufacturer of coffins resembling the pictures I´ve posted before. I was under the impression that I had posted this link before, but apparently this wasn´t the case. An iPod Touch is a wonderful piece of machinery, but it is a b**ch using when posting long posts on forums. And you can´t copy+paste.
Here is one manufacturer of coffins.
http://www.polyguardvaults.com/
Feel free to interpret this as me defending Alex Jones or whatever you choose to do this time.

Horatius

21st July 2008, 07:26 AM

Never said he couldn't...but I will say that asking for debunking help and then claiming to have all the answers (manufacturer, make, etc...) is not coming to conclusions it is JAQing off just like some truthers do when they come here.

You do realize there was some time between those two events, right? Are you implying that it is impossible for someone to have learned something in between asking a question, and posting the answer?

You asked for a manufacturer of coffins resembling the pictures I´ve posted before. I was under the impression that I had posted this link before, but apparently this wasn´t the case. An iPod Touch is a wonderful piece of machinery, but it is a b**ch using when posting long posts on forums. And you can´t copy+paste.
Here is one manufacturer of coffins.
http://www.polyguardvaults.com/
Feel free to interpret this as me defending Alex Jones or whatever you choose to do this time.

Part of the problem here is you have to be more careful of your terminology. Those things aren't coffins, they're coffin vaults - a related product, but not the same thing.

Of course, knowing what they are is only the first step - we still don't seem to know who owns them, or why they're there, unless I've missed something.

~enigma~

21st July 2008, 07:38 AM

You do realize there was some time between those two events, right? Are you implying that it is impossible for someone to have learned something in between asking a question, and posting the answer?
Yeah...not enough for him to make such a ludicrous conclusion without any proof whatsoever.

Part of the problem here is you have to be more careful of your terminology. Those things aren't coffins, they're coffin vaults - a related product, but not the same thing.That may be but the "evidence" put forth on ATS is shaky at best. If you look at the pictures of the "vaults" and the pictures of the vaults they are supposed to be you will see a difference. Again I will bring up that it is a plumbing company at that address in Georgia. They deal with septic tanks and liners. That is a more plausible scenario than a 3x3x7 plastic coffin or even a "vault" in an accessible area that one can walk into since it isn't even enclosed. Some people see conspiracies everywhere.
Of course, knowing what they are is only the first step - we still don't seem to know who owns them, or why they're there, unless I've missed something.You didn't. We don't know the manufacturer and that is why I think the subject of this thread has not been entirely honest when he claims to "know" what the objects are AND to know who manufactured them.

ETA - I have personally received deliveries in my hospital in plastic containers that come very close in size. Anybody ever consider these could just be shipping containers?

Zorglub

21st July 2008, 07:48 AM

Part of the problem here is you have to be more careful of your terminology. Those things aren't coffins, they're coffin vaults - a related product, but not the same thing. My bad. I will of course henceforth refer to them as coffin vaults, wich of course is what they are. It was sloppy of me to be so unprecise.

Of course, knowing what they are is only the first step - we still don't seem to know who owns them, or why they're there, unless I've missed something. Nope, I´ve found no real evidence. The words among truthers (or is "truther" a name for someone who belives 9/11 was an inside job? I tend to call all people who believes in NWO, death camps a s o "truthers") is that the land is rented by FEMA and has been since 2002.
IF the pictures we´ve seen shows coffin vaults (see, I can learn too :) )they´re there for some reason. And I´m perfectly sure there is a legit reason without any woo.

~enigma~

21st July 2008, 07:56 AM

My bad. I will of course henceforth refer to them as coffin vaults, wich of course is what they are. It was sloppy of me to be so unprecise.
IF the pictures we´ve seen shows coffin vaultsCute....suppose nobody was supposed to notice that you will call them coffin vaults yet you still claim your undecided? Riiight...the land is rented by FEMA and has been since 2002.The land on lion's club Road (the address your speaking about) is rented by a plumbing company, has a plastics manufacturer and a church right next door. You have let the ATS woo get under your skin.

Zorglub

21st July 2008, 08:21 AM

Cute....suppose nobody was supposed to notice that you will call them coffin vaults yet you still claim your undecided? I got the advice to ignore you, perhaps that is a good idea.
But, no...I kinda like your twooferish way of debating.
Cherry-pick this:
1. I claim nothing. I cannot, since I do not know the real answer.
2. I´ve found something that has a close resemblance to coffin vaults.
3. I do not know what they are or why they´re there.
4. Neither do you know the reasons for these coffin-vaults. Othwerwise you would have marvelled us all with your knowledge. Right?

Riiight...The land on lion's club Road (the address your speaking about) is rented by a plumbing company, has a plastics manufacturer and a church right next door. You have let the ATS woo get under your skin.
Now that was outright clumsy and a, I´m sure, deliberate way to twist my words. The whole scentence, wich you forgot to quote, was
The words among truthers (or is "truther" a name for someone who belives 9/11 was an inside job? I tend to call all people who believes in NWO, death camps a s o "truthers") is that the land is rented by FEMA and has been since 2002
See there´s a whole lot of other words in front of those very words you quote-mined.

~enigma~

21st July 2008, 08:28 AM

1. I claim nothing. I cannot, since I do not know the real answer.
OK but..4. Neither do you know the reasons for these coffin-vaults.
you aren't decided?
2. I´ve found something that has a close resemblance to coffin vaults. Ok...they resemble and that I agree with.
3. I do not know what they are or why they´re there. Then explain your statement in #4?

You buy the entire line of ATS woo hook, line and sinker. Just admit it. There is no shame in being wrong.

Zorglub

21st July 2008, 08:43 AM

<snip>
Well, if you read my points in order (1, 2, 3 a s o) you would have noticed that I in "2" stated my uncertanity. I forgot that you gonna nit-pick everything I write. In point "4" I should have written "box-shaped things with a close resemblance to coffin-vaults."
Now as I´m sure you know what these boxed-shaped things with a close resemblance to coffin-vaults are now would be a good time to tell us.

You buy the entire line of ATS woo hook, line and sinker. Just admit it. There is no shame in being wrong.
I admitted before that I was wrong and you rejected that. So where´s the difference now? Did I admit the wrong kind of wrong?

~enigma~

21st July 2008, 08:55 AM

Well, if you read my points in order (1, 2, 3 a s o) you would have noticed that I in "2" stated my uncertanity. I forgot that you gonna nit-pick everything I write. In point "4" I should have written "box-shaped things with a close resemblance to coffin-vaults."
Now as I´m sure you know what these boxed-shaped things with a close resemblance to coffin-vaults are now would be a good time to tell us.
And didn't I mention your #2...wait, let me check...yes i did. You express uncertainty then go and claim what you think they are anyway. That doesn't mean uncertainty.
I admitted before that I was wrong and you rejected that. So where´s the difference now? Did I admit the wrong kind of wrong?
No. You said you were wrong then turned around and said you know what they plastic boxes are anyway. Maybe you don't mean uncertain? If you really were uncertain you would not claim to "know" anything about these let alone so specific as to claim you know the manufacturer.

defaultdotxbe

21st July 2008, 11:35 AM

Again I will bring up that it is a plumbing company at that address in Georgia. They deal with septic tanks and liners.
how did you find that out? i tried fro some time to link a business to that address but came up empty

GreNME

21st July 2008, 01:32 PM

Wait, are we still talking about the location in Ennis?

If so, holy mackerel, if it'll settle the nonsense I'll drive over to that address this weekend, take some pictures, and maybe even see if I can ask someone on the property what the storage is for. Jeez, it's not rocket surgery or anything. I've done the same thing at two alleged "FEMA camps" near Dallas.

Zorglub

21st July 2008, 02:39 PM

And didn't I mention your #2...wait, let me check...yes i did. You express uncertainty then go and claim what you think they are anyway. That doesn't mean uncertainty.
No. You said you were wrong then turned around and said you know what they plastic boxes are anyway. No, I said that I was wrong putting forth an idea about that perhaps there could be some reasons preparing for high losses of human life in another attack.
Hence my statement in this post:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3877831&postcount=56
my idea about that someone might have ordered coffins in case of a epidemic, disease etc was a plausible idea was infact very, very wrong. I was putting an idea to the test.
It didn´t hold up!
You do understand what is written above? Now, I can see that you enjoy being wrong. And I enjoy pointing out when you are wrong or just lying. We have a win-win you and I. Maybe you don't mean uncertain? If you really were uncertain you would not claim to "know" anything about these let alone so specific as to claim you know the manufacturer.
And if you knew what these boxes, closely resembling coffin-vaults, are, i´m sure you would have told us by now.

Wait, are we still talking about the location in Ennis?

If so, holy mackerel, if it'll settle the nonsense I'll drive over to that address this weekend, take some pictures, and maybe even see if I can ask someone on the property what the storage is for. Jeez, it's not rocket surgery or anything. I've done the same thing at two alleged "FEMA camps" near Dallas.
Top of my head I think the pictures and snippet from the video whe are talking about right now is taken somewhere in Georgia. Not the links in my first post.
I´d stay clear of solving the problem by getting pictures if I where you (Even though it would be nice with better pictures than a satellite picture from Google Earth.) Enigma will probably accuse you of being my sidekick or something similary ridicilous.
Nonsense is a good description of the last few post. I assure you that my aim was nothing more than to get some bright minds together and solve a silly statement the twoofers has made.

GreNME

21st July 2008, 02:48 PM

That's fine, but the best way to actually lay silly accusations like this to rest are to simply walk up to the place and check for yourself. This sort of wild fantasizing based on long-distance photography and incredible speculation is easy to correct by simply walking up and asking. It's not that difficult or dangerous or even revolutionary.

What I'm getting at is that the answers are usually very easy to get, the problem exists that conspiracy theories are more interested in clinging tenaciously to the questions at the expense of actual answers.

To reference my favorite Fark meme: usually it's just a street light (http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2618004).

~enigma~

21st July 2008, 09:45 PM

how did you find that out? i tried fro some time to link a business to that address but came up empty
There is a video of the address on Lion Club Rd.

~enigma~

21st July 2008, 09:50 PM

No, I said that I was wrong putting forth an idea about that perhaps there could be some reasons preparing for high losses of human life in another attack.
Hence my statement in this post:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3877831&postcount=56
my idea about that someone might have ordered coffins in case of a epidemic, disease etc was a plausible idea was infact very, very wrong. I was putting an idea to the test.
It didn´t hold up!
You do understand what is written above?Of course I understand but you apparently don't otherwise you wouldn't say the following..
And if you knew what these boxes, closely resembling coffin-vaults, are, i´m sure you would have told us by now.So we are back to square one with you insisting they are coffin-vaults.Enigma will probably accuse you of being my sidekick or something similary ridicilous.No...but now I will accuse you of being extremely juvenile for making that statement.

Walter Bellhaven

21st July 2008, 10:39 PM

"These are coffins for you and your family. You're laughing now, but you'll believe me when they chop your head off."

-Alex Jones

defaultdotxbe

21st July 2008, 11:38 PM

"These are coffins for you and your family. You're laughing now, but you'll believe me when they chop your head off."

-Alex Jones
its been mentioned already but its worth noting again, its highly doubtful any organization that plans to kill 90% of the worlds population will be giving any of them a proper burial with coffins, let alone coffin liners, lol

NobbyNobbs

22nd July 2008, 12:16 AM

Of course I understand but you apparently don't otherwise you wouldn't say the following..So we are back to square one with you insisting they are coffin-vaults.No...but now I will accuse you of being extremely juvenile for making that statement.

And here's what he actually said that caused your comment:

And if you knew what these boxes, closely resembling coffin-vaults, are, i´m sure you would have told us by now.

So please explain how "boxes closely resembling coffin vaults" equates to "insisting they are coffin vaults".

You are twisting words, and not very well.

Zorglub

22nd July 2008, 01:00 AM

Of course I understand but you apparently don't otherwise you wouldn't say the following..So we are back to square one with you insisting they are coffin-vaults.No...but now I will accuse you of being extremely juvenile for making that statement.
I´ve never, ever really found the laughing dog funny. If I had I would have put one right here ----> <----- to express how big the grin on my face was when I read your post.
I hope this debate was as good for you as it was for me. But you and me, , it not meant to be. Hopefully this thread will continune without you and me giving each other big love. Perhaps there´ll just be a discussion regarding these coffin-vaults.
Yes, yes go right ahead and accuse me of not showing uncertanity if you like. I wont see it as I will have you on ignore for the time being.

~enigma~

22nd July 2008, 06:13 AM

And here's what he actually said that caused your comment:

So please explain how "boxes closely resembling coffin vaults" equates to "insisting they are coffin vaults".

You are twisting words, and not very well.
If you have been reading the thread you would see so please do me a favor and read the thread.

~enigma~

22nd July 2008, 06:17 AM

I´ve never, ever really found the laughing dog funny. If I had I would have put one right here ----> <----- to express how big the grin on my face was when I read your post.
I hope this debate was as good for you as it was for me. But you and me, , it not meant to be. Hopefully this thread will continune without you and me giving each other big love. Perhaps there´ll just be a discussion regarding these coffin-vaults.
Yes, yes go right ahead and accuse me of not showing uncertanity if you like. I wont see it as I will have you on ignore for the time being.
In case your interested, I called you juvenile not for your inane insistence that theses are coffin-vaults but for your immaturity of making a personal attack and bringing me up in your comment to GreNME. But since I am on ignore, you won't be seeing this. Pity really that you choose to ignore rather than show how you know who the manufacturer is and how you know they manufactur coffins and how you know that these have nothibng to do with shipping, storage or lining septic tanks.

NobbyNobbs

22nd July 2008, 06:52 AM

If you have been reading the thread you would see so please do me a favor and read the thread.

I have read the thread. You were being pedantic. Zorglub, with the patience of a saint, decided to entertain your whimsy and clarified that they are "boxes closely resembling coffin vaults". You responded to that quote by saying that he was "insisting they were coffin vaults".

This reminds me of how 9/11 witnesses say "it sounded like a bomb went off" and truthers take that to mean "a bomb went off". There's a big difference, you know.

~enigma~

22nd July 2008, 07:11 AM

I have read the thread. You were being pedantic. Zorglub, with the patience of a saint, decided to entertain your whimsy and clarified that they are "boxes closely resembling coffin vaults". You responded to that quote by saying that he was "insisting they were coffin vaults".

This reminds me of how 9/11 witnesses say "it sounded like a bomb went off" and truthers take that to mean "a bomb went off". There's a big difference, you know.
They resembled...then how did he (or she) KNOW the manufacturer? How did he (or she) KNOW the manufacturer makes coffins? Why did he (or she) brush off every other possibility I mentioned? Are you seriously expecting me to believe that you read the thread?

NobbyNobbs

22nd July 2008, 08:55 AM

They resembled...then how did he (or she) KNOW the manufacturer? How did he (or she) KNOW the manufacturer makes coffins? Why did he (or she) brush off every other possibility I mentioned? Are you seriously expecting me to believe that you read the thread?

*Sigh*

I am, and was, referring to the particular quote that you selected to respond to. The tenor and phrasing of your response did not indicate that you were taking his earlier postings into account.

~enigma~

22nd July 2008, 08:59 AM

*Sigh*

I am, and was, referring to the particular quote that you selected to respond to. The tenor and phrasing of your response did not indicate that you were taking his earlier postings into account.
Apparently you have trouble following the thread then. He (or she) has been claiming some kind of secret knowledge that allows him (or her) to know everything about these plastic containers or liners. BTW, can you tell me how you can determine the tenor of a poster from his post....that seems like a psychic ability of some kind.

Horatius

22nd July 2008, 09:03 AM

... rather than show how you know who the manufacturer is and how you know they manufactur coffins and how you know that these have nothibng to do with shipping, storage or lining septic tanks.

They resembled...then how did he (or she) KNOW the manufacturer? How did he (or she) KNOW the manufacturer makes coffins? Why did he (or she) brush off every other possibility I mentioned? Are you seriously expecting me to believe that you read the thread?

And why don't you try showing that they are such other things? We have a link to one manufacturer of coffin vaults that shows things remarkably similar, but have seen no other links to the other possibilities. In particular, you've discussed septic tank liners quite a bit, but in Googling such things, I haven't found anything that looks like the things in these pictures and videos. In fact, most of the liners I've found are either spray-on liners, or flexible sheets that seem to conform to the tank.

Rather than harping on about Zorglub going with the best evidence we have right now, why don't you try demonstrating some actual skeptical abilities, and show us what you've found, and how you found it?

~enigma~

22nd July 2008, 09:09 AM

And why don't you try showing that they are such other things? We have a link to one manufacturer of coffin vaults that shows things remarkably similar, but have seen no other links to the other possibilities. In particular, you've discussed septic tank liners quite a bit, but in Googling such things, I haven't found anything that looks like the things in these pictures and videos. In fact, most of the liners I've found are either spray-on liners, or flexible sheets that seem to conform to the tank.

Rather than harping on about Zorglub going with the best evidence we have right now, why don't you try demonstrating some actual skeptical abilities, and show us what you've found, and how you found it?
Why don't you go do a google search on the address on Lion Club Road and explain how it comes up with a plumbing business that deals with septic tanks and liners. Do you suddenly believe these are actually FEMA "coffins"? He claims to KNOW who the manufacturer is and I happen to KNOW that statement is baloney. Is it unskeptical to ask for evidence?

GreNME

22nd July 2008, 09:59 AM

Rather than harping on about Zorglub going with the best evidence we have right now, why don't you try demonstrating some actual skeptical abilities, and show us what you've found, and how you found it?

This is one of the things I find most disturbing about conspiracy theorizing in the modern day*, when google searches can pull up data points to both support and contradict confirmation bias. In fact, that seems to be the bread-and-butter of the Alex Jones types who seem to comb the internet for bits of flotsam to use as their proofs while rarely following any due diligence in actually checking into the data.

This is why I'm suggesting the simple, old-fashioned method of "if you have an address, then someone can just go over there and ask" type of reasoning. When the right approach (meaning non-confrontational and genuine) is taken, the people you would find at many of these alleged NWO-ish locations are quite willing to answer questions and provide enough information to alleviate doubts or suspicions. I've had loads of success taking that route in talking to police, military, military contractors, former military with classified histories, government contractors in a few high-security research facilities, and land-owners leasing to or from government properties. People are far more open and honest than conspiracy theories give them credit for, and that's mostly due to the paranoid and aggressive tactics conspiracy theorists use when asking questions or assessing a situation. In many ways it's the same kind of flaw that makes for a horrible intelligence operative (and, in the past, a few cases of poor political leadership).

* This is not to imply that the post I'm quoting is making a conspiracy theory. I am simply reminded by the mention in the quoted post of the fact that CTs are extremely fond of obscure Google finds.

~enigma~

22nd July 2008, 10:12 AM

This is one of the things I find most disturbing about conspiracy theorizing in the modern day*, when google searches can pull up data points to both support and contradict confirmation bias. In fact, that seems to be the bread-and-butter of the Alex Jones types who seem to comb the internet for bits of flotsam to use as their proofs while rarely following any due diligence in actually checking into the data.

This is why I'm suggesting the simple, old-fashioned method of "if you have an address, then someone can just go over there and ask" type of reasoning. When the right approach (meaning non-confrontational and genuine) is taken, the people you would find at many of these alleged NWO-ish locations are quite willing to answer questions and provide enough information to alleviate doubts or suspicions. I've had loads of success taking that route in talking to police, military, military contractors, former military with classified histories, government contractors in a few high-security research facilities, and land-owners leasing to or from government properties. People are far more open and honest than conspiracy theories give them credit for, and that's mostly due to the paranoid and aggressive tactics conspiracy theorists use when asking questions or assessing a situation. In many ways it's the same kind of flaw that makes for a horrible intelligence operative (and, in the past, a few cases of poor political leadership).

* This is not to imply that the post I'm quoting is making a conspiracy theory. I am simply reminded by the mention in the quoted post of the fact that CTs are extremely fond of obscure Google finds.
Already been done by a local down in Georgia from ATS. Only thing is he intentionally took video to "prove" coffins and video of the smokestack from the plastics plant (and nearby rail) to "prove" that there were going to be mass murders ala Auschwitz by FEMA.

INRM

22nd July 2008, 10:20 AM

Clearly FEMA is going to compress everyone down into a nutritious slurry, pump it through those black pipes, and spray it onto the fields to produce fantastic corn for the remaining 15%.

Don't be ridiculous. However, interestingly enough there is a process called "Thermal Depolymerization" which essentially involves grinding up organic material into a slurry, using large amounts of water and calcium hydroxide under high temperature and pressure, then driving off the water and something and either way the gas is condensed into various grades of fuel, the rest is a nitrogen rich fertilizer like substance.

I doubt our government is going to go around killing political dissidents and making them into fuel though.

~enigma~

22nd July 2008, 10:28 AM

Don't be ridiculous. However, interestingly enough there is a process called "Thermal Depolymerization" which essentially involves grinding up organic material into a slurry, using large amounts of water and calcium hydroxide under high temperature and pressure, then driving off the water and something and either way the gas is condensed into various grades of fuel, the rest is a nitrogen rich fertilizer like substance.

I doubt our government is going to go around killing political dissidents and making them into fuel though.
Wonder what MPG we could get if LCF was turned into fuel...

PhantomWolf

22nd July 2008, 12:57 PM

I wont see it as I will have you on ignore for the time being.

I'd say welcome to the club, but since ~enigma~ is the only non-truther I have on ignore I have no way of knowing if he added you to it too. Just be comforted that you aren't the only one that he has managed to drive up the wall after refusing to back down over a misunderstanding.

Horatius

22nd July 2008, 12:59 PM

Why don't you go do a google search on the address on Lion Club Road and explain how it comes up with a plumbing business that deals with septic tanks and liners. Do you suddenly believe these are actually FEMA "coffins"? He claims to KNOW who the manufacturer is and I happen to KNOW that statement is baloney. Is it unskeptical to ask for evidence?

No, it's not unskeptical to ask for evidence, which is why I asked you for some.

Also note that Zorglub does have evidence - even if it's not enough to convince you.

Now, you've mentioned this "address on Lion club Road" a few times, but I can't see where you posted the actual address, or information on where exactly you found it, or on what you actually found, so how exactly am I (or anyone else) supposed to Google it? If you're interested in actually demonstrating to Zorglub how to answer these sorts of questions, little bits of info like that might just (possibly!) come in handy, you know.

This is one of the things I find most disturbing about conspiracy theorizing in the modern day*, when google searches can pull up data points to both support and contradict confirmation bias. In fact, that seems to be the bread-and-butter of the Alex Jones types who seem to comb the internet for bits of flotsam to use as their proofs while rarely following any due diligence in actually checking into the data.

True, and if I lived anywhere near a place like that, I'd do that, but alas, apparently the NWO doesn't have any nefarious plans for us Canadians.*

* This is not to imply that the post I'm quoting is making a conspiracy theory. I am simply reminded by the mention in the quoted post of the fact that CTs are extremely fond of obscure Google finds.

Oh, sure, like I'm going to let you off the hook like that!

*Or at least, they're a lot better at hiding them!

Zorglub

22nd July 2008, 02:14 PM

I'd say welcome to the club, but since ~enigma~ is the only non-truther I have on ignore I have no way of knowing if he added you to it too. Just be comforted that you aren't the only one that he has managed to drive up the wall after refusing to back down over a misunderstanding.

Enigma being a non-truther was the reason that I, at first, thought it all was a misunderstanding. Usually quote-mining, cherry-picking and creative twisting of words are skills that belongs on the other side so to speak.
But hey, thanks for telling me. Feels good to know I´m not alone :D

Anywho. I´ve been doing some deep deep research, IE: just googling while drinking a beer, and found these ideas:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080718133133AAaWJfa
Six years ago the Tri-State Crematory in Noble Georgia was shut down and the owners went to jail because of uncremated mortal remains lying in the crematory and all around the property. Perhaps these coffins are being used for final disposition of those mortal remains. The families of the deceased were from Georgia and Tennessee, with some from as far away as Florida. So, it could be just a final completion of the case. As I recall there were over 300 sets of mortal remains involved. The State of Georgia did an interim mass burial for health reasons. Now that all the legal wrangling is done with, it might be time for individual burial in several locales. Hence, those coffins.
Read more about the case here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri-State_Crematory

I´ll say that it is a legimite reason. But it looks like there are more coffin-vaults than just 300? Or am i being fooled by the camera?

Another idea that showed up was searching on fedspending.org. Department of Veteran Affairs, as far as I understand takes care of the burial for dead veterans as I understand?
Heres helluva long link showing what I found searching:
http://www.fedspending.org/fpds/fpds.php?reptype=l&database=fpds&fiscal_year=&first_year_range=&last_year_range=&company_name=&city=&state=&vendor_cd=&ZIPCode=&vendorCountryCode=&contractor_type=&principalNAICSCode=&stateCode=&pop_cd=&placeOfPerformanceZIPCode=&placeOfPerformanceCountryCode=&mod_agency=&mod_fund_agency=&psc_cat=&psc_sub=&descriptionOfContractRequirement=graveliner&compete_cat=&dollar_tot=&PIID=&detail=4&datype=T&email=

There are a lot of contractors manufacturing diffenret kinds of burial "equipment". Including graveliners. Unfortunelately not all of these companies has a homepage so it is hard so say if they sell coffin-vaults resembling these boxes that has a close resemblance to coffin-vaults.

So, the Department for Veteran Affairs stacks up with coffin-vaults as they know the U.S is going to war. Sounds reasonable to me. But, I´m not american so forgive me if this is totally impossible and absolutely not something that could happen because some legal aspect or other I´ve never heard of :)

GreNME

22nd July 2008, 03:02 PM

Oh, sure, like I'm going to let you off the hook like that!

Yeah, I realized after I wrote that how it sounded. Hooray for clarification edits! Ctrl+Z wasn't working! :)

~enigma~

22nd July 2008, 09:45 PM

No, it's not unskeptical to ask for evidence, which is why I asked you for some.

Also note that Zorglub does have evidence - even if it's not enough to convince you.

Now, you've mentioned this "address on Lion club Road" a few times, but I can't see where you posted the actual address, or information on where exactly you found it, or on what you actually found, so how exactly am I (or anyone else) supposed to Google it? If you're interested in actually demonstrating to Zorglub how to answer these sorts of questions, little bits of info like that might just (possibly!) come in handy, you know.

True, and if I lived anywhere near a place like that, I'd do that, but alas, apparently the NWO doesn't have any nefarious plans for us Canadians.*

Oh, sure, like I'm going to let you off the hook like that!

*Or at least, they're a lot better at hiding them!
He posted a link to ATS. Go there and you'll see for yourself there are a small number of sane posters there that have actually checked. If you want to call what he posted evidence, that's fine with me but I really wonder, if you consider that evidence what other CTs you find compelling.

Horatius

22nd July 2008, 09:59 PM

He posted a link to ATS. Go there and you'll see for yourself there are a small number of sane posters there that have actually checked.

He posted more than just "a link to ATS."

I have no idea how widespread this nutty "theory" is. But I´ve come to learn that no matter how stupid a fantasy about NWO is, there will be people promoting it as evidence.
But this story about coffins has a grain of truth to it as coffin shaped boxes apparently is manufactured somewhere. Question is what the heck the real purpose is. Sanitation, bulk containers?
http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coffinelinerscloseupll4.jpg
http://www.libertyforlife.com/images/500-thousand-coffin-liners.jpg

If the purpose of the coffins are to bury people one would expect handles on them right?

Edit: The Google is a good thing. This has been discussed on AboveTopSecret
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread321952/pg1

The objects in question are Burial Vaults. Similar to Caskets/Coffins in that the casket is covered with this Vault after burial. The logic behind these is that it keeps the ground from collapsing the casket over time. These also work on the Diving Bell principle. Water rises around the vault keeping the casket relatively protected if the water table is that high. These particular Vaults are G.I. issue vaults used mainly at National Cemeteries for Veterans. This company may be a legitimate manufacturer of this product and nothing more. Keep in mind Veterans of all ages are passing away ever increasingly nowadays.
http://www.polyguardvaults.com/

That's a hell of a lot more than what you've posted here.

So far, we have photos of something that's sitting by a road, in large numbers. We also have photos from a website of a coffin vault manufacturer that show items that look a heck of a lot like the "something" posted earlier. WE don't have photos of anything else that looks like the "something". Dismiss this as not being evidence if you want to, but what else have you offered?

Nothing but your unsupported assertion that you've googled a plumbing company at some unspecified address.

Yeah, real skeptical, that. Put up or shut up.

If you want to call what he posted evidence, that's fine with me but I really wonder, if you consider that evidence what other CTs you find compelling.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, right, because I'm willing to concede that someone has posted evidence that you haven't been able to counter, I must be a CT.

Put up or shut up, dude.

~enigma~

22nd July 2008, 10:26 PM

He posted more than just "a link to ATS."
What the hell is wrong with you? Did I say he posted only anything? I said he posted a link to ATS that you should go read if you want to see the other side of the argument. I am NOT going to copy and paste from ATS. If you believe the "coffin-vault" CT that is fine but I am really surprised.
That's a hell of a lot more than what you've posted here.
Fine...are you the post police?
So far, we have photos of something that's sitting by a road, in large numbers. We also have photos from a website of a coffin vault manufacturer that show items that look a heck of a lot like the "something" posted earlier. WE don't have photos of anything else that looks like the "something". Dismiss this as not being evidence if you want to, but what else have you offered?Look like? And that means is???? Did you graduate from the Dylan Avery School Of Smilies?
Nothing but your unsupported assertion that you've googled a plumbing company at some unspecified address.
As I said, you can go check the link he posted to ATS but if you want to believe the FEMA coffin CT go right ahead. I wikll say again that I am very surprised by your lack of rationality about it.
Yeah, real skeptical, that. Put up or shut up.Why, you gonna beat me up after school?

Yeah, right, because I'm willing to concede that someone has posted evidence that you haven't been able to counter, I must be a CT.

Put up or shut up, dude.
You are getting something wrong. I am not trying to post anything to counter his claim. I am trying to get him to explain how he KNOWS the manufacturer and etc....he isn't saying anything. Now considering you are normally level headed I am going to tell you this once. Say shut up again to me and you are going on ignore for the rest of your life with me.

UnrepentantSinner

23rd July 2008, 02:20 AM

This is an aside, but related to people seeing things and presuming a nefarious purpose. I while back I saw a website that had photos of supposed U.N./German chemical weapons vehicles that were going to be used to impliment the N.W.O. My German was never that great, but when I read "Feuerkamphen" or something similiar on the vehicles, I knew I didn't have anything to worry about.

Horatius

23rd July 2008, 06:20 AM

What the hell is wrong with you? Did I say he posted only anything? I said he posted a link to ATS that you should go read if you want to see the other side of the argument. I am NOT going to copy and paste from ATS. If you believe the "coffin-vault" CT that is fine but I am really surprised.

Okay, I went and read that thread again, and they pretty much showed they are coffin vaults. If you're claiming someone on that thread showed something else, provide the link.

You are getting something wrong. I am not trying to post anything to counter his claim. I am trying to get him to explain how he KNOWS the manufacturer and etc....he isn't saying anything. Now considering you are normally level headed I am going to tell you this once. Say shut up again to me and you are going on ignore for the rest of your life with me.

This would be how he knows the manufacturer:

From ATS: (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread321952/pg11)

I've emailed Snopes to see if they have done any research on it. I'll post what I hear.

In the meantime, somebody at infowars posted this:

July 21st, 2008 at 11:25 am
Got a response from Polyguard:
Polyguard and Co.
Afton, WY 83110
1-800-654-1067
RE: infowars.com Cryptogon.com disclose.tv and all other paranoid sites!!!
To Whom this May Concern:
As you all know, death is one of those issues that we all fear yet we all will go through it at some time in our life and we have most all experienced a loved one passing away. In fact there is as average of 2.5 million deaths occurring each year. Some are cremated and some are buried. Most burials require an outside burial container to go around the casket to keep the ground from settling and the aesthetics of the cemetery beautiful with the least amount of maintenance needed. Until about 30 years or so ago, the only outside burial containers available were Concrete or wooden boxes. Because of modern technology, there are now other alternatives to concrete such as fiberglass and polymers (plastic).
I am not sure how Polyguard became associated with the burial vaults that are stored in Georgia. Those vaults are manufactured by our competitors in Georgia. However, the Manufacturers own the property they are stored on and there is no big secret surrounding the vaults. Because of manufacturing costs and the ability to manufacture 2 parts probably every 2 – 5 minutes, once the process begins, to be cost effective you manufacture until your raw products are gone. This creates inventory that can be rotated and used as needed.
In the funeral service industry, there is a program called "pre-need" which allows families to go to a funeral home or cemetery and pre-pay for their funeral merchandise and services. I would guess that most of these vaults have been pre-sold and they are meeting the requirement of the storage program set forth by the manufacturing company and the Federal Trade Commission who governs funeral service. Because we do not own the vaults and are not the manufacturers of the vaults, I cannot tell you those numbers for sure.
Many of you keep referencing a patent for a cremation container. This product never even made it to the market as far as I know. If it did, it is not the same product that is being stored at the manufacturers storage facility in Georgia. DO NOT CONFUSE THE TWO ITEMS!!!!
If this information does not help ease your mind, you are welcome to call us.
Debbie Sainz
Polyguard & Co., LLC

You're saying you KNOW he's wrong, but you're not saying anything about how you KNOW he's wrong, when there's plenty of evidence at the link you yourself insisted we follow, to suggest he's not wrong.

If you've got something that shows everything at ATS to be wrong, let's have it. So far we've seen nothing.

~enigma~

23rd July 2008, 06:32 AM

Okay, I went and read that thread again, and they pretty much showed they are coffin vaults. If you're claiming someone on that thread showed something else, provide the link.

This would be how he knows the manufacturer:

From ATS: (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread321952/pg11)

You're saying you KNOW he's wrong, but you're not saying anything about how you KNOW he's wrong, when there's plenty of evidence at the link you yourself insisted we follow, to suggest he's not wrong.

If you've got something that shows everything at ATS to be wrong, let's have it. So far we've seen nothing.So you pick the baloney from the worlds most trusted site infowars and you ignore the posts that mention the address and the posts that point out the difference between the vaults he posted and the pictures of the vaults from the manufacturers website. Sorry but if you believe this you have gone full blown woo.

ETA - Nice of you to post the email from infowars yet fail to mention that they emailed FEMA and didn't get an answer. Does that mean FEMA is in on a nefarious CT?

ETA 2 - If you are actually citing infowars.com as a credible source, all your credibility with me just went down the toilet.

Horatius

23rd July 2008, 07:50 AM

So you pick the baloney from the worlds most trusted site infowars and you ignore the posts that mention the address and the posts that point out the difference between the vaults he posted and the pictures of the vaults from the manufacturers website. Sorry but if you believe this you have gone full blown woo.

ETA - Nice of you to post the email from infowars yet fail to mention that they emailed FEMA and didn't get an answer. Does that mean FEMA is in on a nefarious CT?

What "baloney"? Did you miss the bit where I mentioned I have a friend in the funeral industry? The posted e-mail sounds like the sorts of things he talks about. If it isn't legitimate, it's a very good forgery.

Also, did you notice that there are at least two manufacturers of these things? The comparison photos compared them to the Polyguard vaults. But they weren't made by Polyguard, the rep identified them as their competitor's products.

So we have someone in the industry, positively IDing them, and you still insist they must be something else.

And where the hell have I mentioned anything about FEMA? For someone who is so quick to go off on others for reading more into his posts than is there, you're awfully quick to do the same. The e-mail pretty much sums this up: Coffin vaults, manufactured in bulk, stockpiled on land owned by the company.

http://www.vantageproducts.com/Air%20Seal.html

How about comparing them to this photo? To my eye, as well as can be told from the pictures available, they are identical. 3 end ribs, 11 or 13 side ribs depending on how you count them, rounded top edge with a rectangular top.

Show me a septic tank that matches these things, if they exist.

No CT, but so far all the evidence I've seen, combined with what my aforementioned friend tells me, says that they are coffin vaults. Nothing sinister, but your insistence that they must be something else, on the basis of no evidence at all, and in the face of credible evidence that they are, is pure psuedoskepticism, which is something that, up until now, I hadn't believed in either, thanks a lot.

ETA 2 - If you are actually citing infowars.com as a credible source, all your credibility with me just went down the toilet.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then. Infowars doesn't always (or even usually) fake the actual evidence they link to, it's their ridiculous re-interpretations of that evidence that makes them a problem. As I said above, there's nothing to indicate to me that that e-mail is a fake, but even it's innocuous explanation hasn't stopped Infowars from going nuts with this. (http://www.infowars.com/?p=3482%20Why%20coffins%20)

And again, if you've got some (any!) evidence to show these are something else, show us. It's pretty bad when even Infowars and ATS are doing a better job of proving their case than an (alleged) JREFer.

~enigma~

23rd July 2008, 08:04 AM

What "baloney"?Citing evidence from infowars is baloney. If you don't think so, that is your prerogative. Did you miss the bit where I mentioned I have a friend in the funeral industry?No, did you miss the part where the OP says this is the governments? The posted e-mail sounds like the sorts of things he talks about. If it isn't legitimate, it's a very good forgery. Superficially it does. Now where did I say it was a forgery? I did say infowars isn't a credible source.
Also, did you notice that there are at least two manufacturers of these things? The comparison photos compared them to the Polyguard vaults. But they weren't made by Polyguard, the rep identified them as their competitor's products. And I suppose you didn't notice the HUGE RE:infowars.com Cryptogon.com disclose.tv and all other paranoid sites!!!
What did you expect anybody to say? After reading that line I tend to believe the rep was speaking tongue in cheek to blow off the idiot inquiry.
So we have someone in the industry, positively IDing them, and you still insist they must be something else. Positively IDing them? As I said before you must be a graduate of the Dylan Avery School of Similies.
And where the hell have I mentioned anything about FEMA?Did I say you did? Show me where i said you said anything about FEMA. I said you neglected to mention the non-answer some paranoid nut on ATS didn't get. Why do you think i said you brought up FEMA? Have you been taking strawman lessons from Alex Jones (could be since you think infowars is credible). For someone who is so quick to go off on others for reading more into his posts than is there, you're awfully quick to do the same. Ok....conversation with you is over unless you show where I accused you of saying anything about FEMA or you apologize...simple enough?

Zorglub

23rd July 2008, 01:16 PM

I've emailed Snopes to see if they have done any research on it. I'll post what I hear.

In the meantime, somebody at infowars posted this:

July 21st, 2008 at 11:25 am
Got a response from Polyguard:
Polyguard and Co.
Afton, WY 83110
1-800-654-1067
RE: infowars.com Cryptogon.com disclose.tv and all other paranoid sites!!!
To Whom this May Concern:
As you all know, death is one of those issues that we all fear yet we all will go through it at some time in our life and we have most all experienced a loved one passing away. In fact there is as average of 2.5 million deaths occurring each year. Some are cremated and some are buried. Most burials require an outside burial container to go around the casket to keep the ground from settling and the aesthetics of the cemetery beautiful with the least amount of maintenance needed. Until about 30 years or so ago, the only outside burial containers available were Concrete or wooden boxes. Because of modern technology, there are now other alternatives to concrete such as fiberglass and polymers (plastic).
I am not sure how Polyguard became associated with the burial vaults that are stored in Georgia. Those vaults are manufactured by our competitors in Georgia. However, the Manufacturers own the property they are stored on and there is no big secret surrounding the vaults. Because of manufacturing costs and the ability to manufacture 2 parts probably every 2 – 5 minutes, once the process begins, to be cost effective you manufacture until your raw products are gone. This creates inventory that can be rotated and used as needed.
In the funeral service industry, there is a program called "pre-need" which allows families to go to a funeral home or cemetery and pre-pay for their funeral merchandise and services. I would guess that most of these vaults have been pre-sold and they are meeting the requirement of the storage program set forth by the manufacturing company and the Federal Trade Commission who governs funeral service. Because we do not own the vaults and are not the manufacturers of the vaults, I cannot tell you those numbers for sure.
Many of you keep referencing a patent for a cremation container. This product never even made it to the market as far as I know. If it did, it is not the same product that is being stored at the manufacturers storage facility in Georgia. DO NOT CONFUSE THE TWO ITEMS!!!!
If this information does not help ease your mind, you are welcome to call us.
Debbie Sainz
Polyguard & Co., LLC
Greats! That would be the most reasonable explanation I´ve heard so far. I think we´ve settled the case. They´re there for a perfectly legitime reason and no woo in sight whatsoever.
I appreciate your efforts. It was something like this I had in mind starting this thread. Another truther-claim we can put the lid on (pun intentended).

Now, if only NWO could start cleansing the world from truthers a.s.a.p I´ll be even happier

(Nononono I´m just kidding :D)

You're saying you KNOW he's wrong, but you're not saying anything about how you KNOW he's wrong, when there's plenty of evidence at the link you yourself insisted we follow, to suggest he's not wrong.

If you've got something that shows everything at ATS to be wrong, let's have it. So far we've seen nothing.

I can understand being skeptic toawrds info from ATS, Infowars, Libertywhatever. But saying everything that is posted there is the equivalent of being a truhter and denying everything said on JREF just for this being JREF.
Many skeptics do write on these boards as well trying to put some sense into unsensible minds.

Panoply_Prefect

23rd July 2008, 01:33 PM

ETA 2 - If you are actually citing infowars.com as a credible source, all your credibility with me just went down the toilet.

I wrote to ms Sainz, and the email is indeed from her:

I prepared a letter of explanation for those e-mails that I have been bombarded with. This is the letter that I was attaching to the e-mail

Cheers,
PP

~enigma~

23rd July 2008, 09:31 PM

I wrote to ms Sainz, and the email is indeed from her:

Cheers,
PP
That's fine but I still don't give infowars.com any credibility.

chillzero

24th July 2008, 03:27 AM

Some posts removed - keep it on topic, and stop bickering please.

Old Bob

24th July 2008, 05:32 AM

~enigma~

24th July 2008, 06:07 AM

Here is a bit of info, the US gov. has bought 500 000 air tight long lasting vaults. They come in all sizes with a nice wreath stamped on. Info@Polyguard Vaults,inc Western Office 167 Twin Spruce Lane Afton, WY 83110 Now it seems to me to be for sealing either radioactive or diseased people. Does bird flu raise a eyebrow? We had incredible foresight by our great leaders in Tasmania just before the big shoot up which was meant for American tourists. They sent army blankets and bought a 22 body frig hearse before the shootings in 91 which was the excuse used to disarm Australians. The little town of Port Author had about 1 car fatality a year. So it looks like maybe you should get ready for something nasty. Have a look at shootersnews.addr.com or just search Martin Bryant.
What are the dimensions of the vaults in Georgia and what are the dimensions of both the polygaurd and vangaurd vaults? Also, what are the FEMA guidelines for disposing a diseased or infectious body?

aggle-rithm

24th July 2008, 10:39 AM

Also, what are the FEMA guidelines for disposing a diseased or infectious body?

They hand the family a debit card and say, "Here, take care of it."

~enigma~

24th July 2008, 10:44 AM

They hand the family a debit card and say, "Here, take care of it."
There actually are guidelines....

defaultdotxbe

24th July 2008, 11:39 AM

That's fine but I still don't give infowars.com any credibility.
and neither does PP apparently, otherwise he would not have felt the need to confirm the letter from polyvaults was not a forgery, lol

its important to differentiate things posted at infowars, and things sourced from infowars, this was posted, and the source was given as debbie sainz from polyaults, tracking back to that source showed it to be legit

~enigma~

24th July 2008, 11:45 AM

and neither does PP apparently, otherwise he would not have felt the need to confirm the letter from polyvaults was not a forgery, lol

its important to differentiate things posted at infowars, and things sourced from infowars, this was posted, and the source was given as debbie sainz from polyaults, tracking back to that source showed it to be legit
And I didn't doubt it's authenticity. I said judging by the line
RE: infowars.com Cryptogon.com disclose.tv and all other paranoid sites!!!!! it seems more like a "brush off" than a serious business letter. BTW, what address for the lot did PP give Debbie Sanchez?

SpaceMonkeyZero

24th July 2008, 12:11 PM

I love it how "proof" of FEMA death camp coffins is not an invoice for 2 million coffins, or photos of MiB unloading train cars full of coffins, but instead a 10 foot resolution aerial photo of blurry rectangles.

I could just see this guy taking a logic quiz in high school or college...

"1. Draw out a truth table for p->q using Logical Implication."

"Well, if you hold your breath and squint really hard, the q becomes a g, and therefore the government is out to falsely prove that p is false... Therefore q is true, no matter the value of p!"

Magenta

24th July 2008, 09:19 PM

What are the dimensions of the vaults in Georgia and what are the dimensions of both the polygaurd and vangaurd vaults? Also, what are the FEMA guidelines for disposing a diseased or infectious body?

Based on past experience, your chances of getting a coherent answer from Old Bob are vanishingly small...

defaultdotxbe

24th July 2008, 09:59 PM

Here is a bit of info, the US gov. has bought 500 000 air tight long lasting vaults. They come in all sizes with a nice wreath stamped on. Info@Polyguard Vaults,inc Western Office 167 Twin Spruce Lane Afton, WY 83110 Now it seems to me to be for sealing either radioactive or diseased people. Does bird flu raise a eyebrow?
on polyguard's website the vaults are described as "water resistant" (not water proof) this doesnt seem to be airtight

advertising materials claim they are sealed using the "captured air principle" a google search for that phrase (in quotes) returns only polyguards site and a competitor in nebraska (also claiming their vaults are sealed with the captured air principle)

more advertising material indicates this is simple air pressure, like a diving bell, so they are not airtight, you fail

Panoply_Prefect

25th July 2008, 02:21 AM

BTW, what address for the lot did PP give Debbie Sanchez?

I didn't. I asked if the email posted on those sites were genuine and written by her and she confirmed that this was the case.

If you want, PM me for her email address.

/PP

Old Bob

26th July 2008, 02:08 AM

Based on past experience, your chances of getting a coherent answer from Old Bob are vanishingly small...

What a silly question, what size is a coffin? Small medium or large. Just like brain size. As for the seal I only know what the add says and it is a rubber type seal with 11 or 13 ribs. Also top lids or for heavy people the seal is on the bottom so the body can be rolled on the flat base. Coherent enough.??

gtc

26th July 2008, 02:38 AM

For people trying to work out what Old Bob is talking about; the Port Arthur massacre was in April 1996. Old Bob has several threads on this issue so I won't derail this thread with further discussion.

Magenta

26th July 2008, 03:03 AM

What a silly question, what size is a coffin? Small medium or large. Just like brain size. As for the seal I only know what the add says and it is a rubber type seal with 11 or 13 ribs. Also top lids or for heavy people the seal is on the bottom so the body can be rolled on the flat base. Coherent enough.??

I'll let Enigma answer that as he asked the question(s) of you, though I think you answered a different question from what he asked.

~enigma~

26th July 2008, 07:17 AM

What a silly question, what size is a coffin? Small medium or large. Just like brain size. As for the seal I only know what the add says and it is a rubber type seal with 11 or 13 ribs. Also top lids or for heavy people the seal is on the bottom so the body can be rolled on the flat base. Coherent enough.??
Silly non-answer. I asked a specific question and if you are unable to answer, don't.

Plantfoam

26th July 2008, 03:13 PM

Here is a bit of info, the US gov. has bought 500 000 air tight long lasting vaults. They come in all sizes with a nice wreath stamped on. Info@Polyguard Vaults,inc Western Office 167 Twin Spruce Lane Afton, WY 83110 Now it seems to me to be for sealing either radioactive or diseased people. Does bird flu raise a eyebrow? We had incredible foresight by our great leaders in Tasmania just before the big shoot up which was meant for American tourists. They sent army blankets and bought a 22 body frig hearse before the shootings in 91 which was the excuse used to disarm Australians. The little town of Port Author had about 1 car fatality a year. So it looks like maybe you should get ready for something nasty. Have a look at shootersnews.addr.com or just search Martin Bryant.

You know, I actually find this to be rather believable. Only the government could operate at such a level of inefficiency; they are going to exterminate hundreds of thousands of people, and then put them all into coffins that are complete with wreaths. After that, the victims will be buried adjacent to the local Amtrak station. :boxedin:

Pauligirl

27th July 2008, 08:03 PM

I'm the one that posted the email from Polyguard on ATS.

The competition she was referring to is Vanguard.

The burial vaults/graveliners are 7x3x3 and are required in most cemeteries, to keep water out of the coffin (diving bell principle) and to keep the grave from caving in.

Polyguard sells to the VA, which is enough of a government link for the conspiracy wing nuts to jump to FEMA. VA buys them under the name of thermoplastic graveliners.

The vaults/liners/septic tanks, whatevers that are out in the field in Madison Georgia are 7x3x3 and are a match to the vaults on Vanguard's web site as to the ribbing.

I have emailed Vanguard to ask if they store their surplus inventory on Lions Club Road. And if they do, why so much?

If I get an answer back, I'll post it here.