Guided Planes: Fact or Fiction?

[ULTIMA1]

100 hours is enough if all you want to do is steer the thing into a big building and kill everyone.

But not do some of the maneuvers that the pilots on 9/11 did.

Also speaking of killing everyone why did the hijackers on Flight 77 target the part of the Pentagon that had just been reinforced and only had partial occupents, seems like they were almost trying to avoid killing everyone.

A lot of senior pilots? How many is that? Compared to the number of senior pilots in the world, what percentage would you say agreed with Lear?

More then enough to show reasonable doubt in the official story.

[UNLoVedRebel]

Next time, try not to pick the name of your photobucket account. It's a step up from ULTIMA2 though.

[TruthersLie]

I notice how you completly refused to repsond the to fact of at least one hijacker only having 100 hours or less total flying time.

Also there area lot of senior pilots who do agree with some of what Lear states.

Hey twoof.

Ummm you do know what the two hardest parts of flying are right? That would be landing and take off. They did neither.

So 100 hours of flight time is plenty for just flying into a target (look up kamakazi for a good example)

try again.

[Hokulele]

Next time, try not to pick the name of your photobucket account. It's a step up from ULTIMA2 though.


Heh.

[Brainache]

But not do some of the maneuvers that the pilots on 9/11 did.


You know this how? Thinking for yourself again? Or just swallowing a load of Balsamic Hogwash?


More then enough to show reasonable doubt in the official story.

Not really. If that were the case it wouldn't only be angry teens and nutjobs in the Truth Movement.

[TruthersLie]

But not do some of the maneuvers that the pilots on 9/11 did.


which maneuvers? Please provide proof of any maneuvers that a certified pilot with a minimum of 100 hours can't do.

I'll wait for it.

[Brainache]

Also speaking of killing everyone why did the hijackers on Flight 77 target the part of the Pentagon that had just been reinforced and only had partial occupents, seems like they were almost trying to avoid killing everyone.


What makes you think he was targeting that part of the building rather than just trying to hit it any old where? Did you forget that he wasn't a SENIOR PILOT?

[UNLoVedRebel]

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n268/PHIXER6/911/FLI93-2.jpg?t=1222974166

[UNLoVedRebel]

Well that didn't last long.

[TokenMac]

Well that didn't last long.

Worst sock ever!

[apathoid]

Zero to suspended in 3 posts. Not a record, but a damn good showing!:D

[TruthersLie]

Also speaking of killing everyone why did the hijackers on Flight 77 target the part of the Pentagon that had just been reinforced and only had partial occupents, seems like they were almost trying to avoid killing everyone.


Let me google it for you (http://tinyurl.com/yhwdwfq)

now read about it.

[UNLoVedRebel]

His posts are already in deep storage. That beat FloydGoethe's record.

[TruthersLie]

delete please

[TruthersLie]

so that was ultima coming back? tsk tsk tsk.

[SK.]

I have yet to see anyone show any evidence that questions Lears aviation experience and background.
Lear certainly has aviation experience, but some of the stuff he said in recent years should raise eyebrows. The guy obviously doesn´t "shy away from controversial and unproven theories" (to put it very mildly) regarding other topics.

Some of what he said in an interview with Art Bell:
Since 1938, we've lost over 200 aircraft due to UFO hostilities and thousands of soldiers in all kinds of actions with aliens.
Our first efforts were to keep the public from learning about VENUS. A very similar planet to Earth and its population is very similar to us, just technologically advanced.
We are not allowed to PUBLICLY go back to the Moon or reach Mars. The recent success on Mars was a bogus dog and pony show; a sanitized public display and nowhere near what we really know about Mars.
http://www.world-mysteries.com/doug_ufo2.htm
I´d hazard the guess that this guy is pretty quick with stating various stuff as fact, regardless of evidence.

[JoeyDonuts]

Wow. Misner came out of his hole?

What the hell's he been doing?

Gah, don't answer that.

[bill smith]

Lear certainly has aviation experience, but some of the stuff he said in recent years should raise eyebrows. The guy obviously doesn´t "shy away from controversial and unproven theories" (to put it very mildly) regarding other topics.

Some of what he said in an interview with Art Bell:



http://www.world-mysteries.com/doug_ufo2.htm
I´d hazard the guess that this guy is pretty quick with stating various stuff as fact, regardless of evidence.

Still....you have to take Lear's fantastic 40 year performance as a pilot into consideration when making any judgement of him. While I am not necessarily a believer in aliens I do believe that the credible evidence around does not permit for it to be ruled out altogether. It would obviously be stupid to do that. Have a look at this from july 2008...


'' 24 july 2008

FORMER NASA astronaut and moon-walker Dr Edgar Mitchell - a veteran of the Apollo 14 mission - has stunningly claimed aliens exist.
And he says extra-terrestrials have visited Earth on several occasions - but the alien contact has been repeatedly covered up by governments for six decades...''

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/alternate-theories/75721-apollo-14-astronaut-claims-aliens.html

[dudalb]

Since 1938, we've lost over 200 aircraft due to UFO hostilities and thousands of soldiers in all kinds of actions with aliens.

And this is one the Truth Movement's bigtime Aviation experts.

:dl::dl: :dl:

[dudalb]

Still....you have to take Lear's fantastic 40 year performance as a pilot into consideration when making any judgement of him. While I am not necessarily a believer in aliens I do believe that the credible evidence around does not permit for it to be ruled out altogether. It would obviously be stupid to do that. Have a look at this from july 2008...


'' 24 july 2008

FORMER NASA astronaut and moon-walker Dr Edgar Mitchell - a veteran of the Apollo 14 mission - has stunningly claimed aliens exist.
And he says extra-terrestrials have visited Earth on several occasions - but the alien contact has been repeatedly covered up by governments for six decades...''

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/alternate-theories/75721-apollo-14-astronaut-claims-aliens.html

:alien011:



And bill smith just keeps digging him/her self in deeper.

[beachnut]

No I am seperating a stupendous 40-year 19,000 hour flying career from whatever esoteric beliefs John might privately have. I am using his unmatched expertise in the field of anything to do with flying as confirmation that he knows his profession inside out and can be taken at his word on the subject
If you knew flying as well as you know how to post lies you could see Lear is a liar. You are not a pilot or you would see Lear is a liar. It take knowledge and sound judgment to form rational conclusions on these issues; you need to gain the knowledge and work on your judgment.

The terrorists were pilots and they flew the planes into buildings. There were no guided systems on board the airliners the pilots the terrorists killed will not take jets with unknown systems on board they will refuse to fly them. Lear sees aliens, this delusion is similar to his statements on the flying done September 11th. Why do you post dirt dumb delusions?

Lear on Aliens, "After Kennedy we never told any President anything. Nixon knew because he was briefed as VP in 1952. That's how we knew where to take Jackie Gleason to Homestead Air Force Base to see the alien bodies we had in storage there. "
You found another person spewing nut case ideas about September 11th and he has the help of aliens. This is hilarious as you post delusions you can't back up with facts.

[tfk]

Who knows how Lear's alleged brain works.

I'm convinced that his favorite past-time is figuring out, in the midst of an interview, what is the absolute most ridiculous thing that he can say, and stay just short of the interviewer closing up his notebook & walking out, because he figured out he was being "chumped".

Invariably, this means that, as he see the guy's forehead crease, and suddenly stop writing, then he'll toss out a couple obscure aviation terms & references his flying records. Just to settle the fish on the hook, of course.

And then start reeling him in again...

All a game.

Which, in the truest sense of "the boy who cried wolf", makes EVERYTHING that he says - whether true or not - utterly meaningless & untrustworthy.

His own bed. Well made.

Tom

PS. Of course, all his stuff about "couldn't fly that fast, that low", "couldn't hit those buildings" and "6, 7 G turns" is utter bilge.

[Graham2001]

I'm sorry to bump this thread after such a long time, but I've just found a 'guided planes' story from the 1980's.

Title: Holy of Holies
Author: Alan Williams
Publisher: Granada (1981)
ISBN: 0-586-05096-5

The plot culminates in the crashing of five autopilot controlled C-130s carrying fuel air explosives into Mecca. It is a Soviet backed psy-op designed to disrupt the rise of political Islam by creating the impression the Caliph has returned and is not happy... (Emphasis to ensure we do not get any questions of the "Did the US govt do this?" variety).

[George152]

100 hours is enough if all you want to do is steer the thing into a big building and kill everyone.

A lot of senior pilots? How many is that? Compared to the number of senior pilots in the world, what percentage would you say agreed with Lear?

Student pilots land aircraft on narrower runways than the width of a WTC building without trouble.
Lear is a kook !

[SaiGirl]

Well well well. We haven't seen our musician friend in quite some time. Say Ace. Have you gotten over Judy's rejection (http://drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/JJ_troll_challenge.html) of you yet? Cant quite un-sing a note once sung though can ya? (http://www.acebaker.com/9-11/JudyWood/JudyWould.html)

:socks:

No... I'm not Ace.

I have corresponded with Ace Baker by e-mail and greatly admire his work, but I can't claim credit for any original ideas about 9/11.

Sorry to disappoint. I don't think he'd waste much time here at this particular forum.

[SaiGirl]

Parenthetically, I also admire Judy Woods' collection of photographic evidence and her analysis of it; especially her observation that the tons of dirt trucked in and dumped on the "hot site" at Ground Zero in Manhattan are standard operating procedure for decontamination of a chemical or nuclear accident site.
Also her analysis of the concrete "bathtub" foundation beneath the Towers, which would have cracked from the sheer weight of steel, concrete, restroom fixtures,etc. falling on it. Subsequent catastrophic flooding of subway tunnels and large tracts of Manhattan real estate would have occurred at that point. An unacceptable risk. But since most of the latter steel and concrete literally DISAPPEARED into clouds of dust, within seconds (at BOTH the North Tower and the South Tower), such a risk would have been carefully avoided, by significantly solving the obvious stress to the "bathtub" foundation beneath the Towers.
As to the precise nature of the ordnance (thermite, thermobaric, calibrated micro-nukes, DEW, micro-wave, acoustic weaponry... whatever) .... that is a purely speculative matter. My guess would be that they experimented with every toy they had in the sandbox. And also sent a "message" to the more thoughtful and well-informed, by clearly communicating the criminal enormity of what they could away with. Just like their forebears, the German National Socialists, when they torched the Reichstag.

[DGM]

Parenthetically, I also admire Judy Woods' collection of photographic evidence and her analysis of it; especially her observation that the tons of dirt trucked in and dumped on the "hot site" at Ground Zero in Manhattan are standard operating procedure for decontamination of a chemical or nuclear accident site.
Also her analysis of the concrete "bathtub" foundation beneath the Towers, which would have cracked from the sheer weight of steel, concrete, restroom fixtures,etc. falling on it. Subsequent catastrophic flooding of subway tunnels and large tracts of Manhattan real estate would have occurred at that point. An unacceptable risk. But since most of the latter steel and concrete literally DISAPPEARED into clouds of dust, within seconds (at BOTH the North Tower and the South Tower), such a risk would have been carefully avoided, by significantly solving the obvious stress to the "bathtub" foundation beneath the Towers.
As to the precise nature of the ordnance (thermite, thermobaric, calibrated micro-nukes, DEW, micro-wave, acoustic weaponry... whatever) .... that is a purely speculative matter. My guess would be that they experimented with every toy they had in the sandbox. And also sent a "message" to the more thoughtful and well-informed, by clearly communicating the criminal enormity of what they could away with. Just like their forebears, the German National Socialists, when they torched the Reichstag.
Seek help, please!

[SaiGirl]

Seek help, please!
By the way, here's one of my own blogs

http://losalamos911truth.blogspot.com/

Purely for education, reflection and perhaps some macabre entertainment.

[NutCracker]

By the way, here's one of my own blogs

http://losalamos911truth.blogspot.com/

Purely for education, reflection and perhaps some macabre entertainment.


Thank you. You just proved Einstein wrong. THREE things are infinite: the Universe, human stupidity AND Truthers' insanity.

[DGM]

By the way, here's one of my own blogs

http://losalamos911truth.blogspot.com/

Purely for education, reflection and perhaps some macabre entertainment.
Enough said!

:o

[fess]

Also her analysis of the concrete "bathtub" foundation beneath the Towers, which would have cracked from the sheer weight of steel, concrete, restroom fixtures,etc. falling on it.

Had you and your Aunt Judy done a little, just a little research, you would have found that the WTC complex was not build on top of the “bathtub”. The walls of the “bathtub” were built to surround the WTC to block the possibility of a leak.

[Sam.I.Am]

Furthermore, the walls of the bathtub were damaged and they had to be very careful when removing the debris shoring it up. They repaired it and added tiebacks as the debris was being removed. There were large portions of the wall shoved in several feet from the hydraulic force from the Hudson.

[FenerFan]

By the way, here's one of my own blogs

http://losalamos911truth.blogspot.com/

Purely for education, reflection and perhaps some macabre entertainment.

Well, that was.....something. Rather than comment on your blog's content I would offer some advice. I'm guessing that your blog has taken a lot of your time. I'll ballpark it at, say, 100 hours. Does that sound reasonable? Anyway, you could have spent those 100 hours doing something like volunteering at the local food bank or helping out at the Red Cross. That would be 2 hours every weekend for about a year. If you had done that, you would have really impacted the world around you. Another insane blog filled with bizarre theories will do nothing to help anybody. (OK, I lied, I did comment on your blog's content.)
Just my two cents.