"Enzyte"...Why are the commercials still airing

[Bikewer]

So, why are the obnoxious commercials for this fraudulent product still airing? I was under the impression that the founder of the firm had been indicted for numerous charges relating to the marketing of this product.

The Wiki article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enzyte

indicates that this individual was found guilty of conspiracy to commit mail fraud, bank fraud, and money laundering, and stands to be sentenced for up to 20 years.

Yet the commercials still air, and apparently the product is still for sale.

How come?

[bokonon]

Maybe the directions say "take two tablets, and stroke vigorously," making claims of "larger and firmer" "when taken as directed" defensible.

[Delvo]

The original commercials are not on the air anymore; newer ones have replaced them. They have made small adjustments to the campaign to fix the specific technicalities that have been brought up in court. Listen carefully and you'll notice that they don't precisely claim what they're not supposed to claim; they just imply it enough to let the audience fill in the gaps mentally, and limit their direct statements to those that have not (yet) been challenged in court.

[David Wong]

Also, I understand the product does tremendous business on re-orders and there are a large number of customers who swear by it.

It's a placebo, no doubt, but I can think of worse things.

[rocketdodger]

Also, I understand the product does tremendous business on re-orders and there are a large number of customers who swear by it.

It's a placebo, no doubt, but I can think of worse things.

From my understanding (I called them up a few years ago because I was curious) the product was simply supposed to increase blood flow in adult men who had lost some of it due to age or physical problems or what-have-you.

That doesn't seem like it would be a hard problem to solve with some sort of drug. Whether or not it actually worked, I have no idea.

[Travis]

Anyone who thinks a pill will make your penis bigger deserves to get ripped off.

[jnelso99]

Anyone who thinks a pill will make your penis bigger deserves to get ripped off.

Well, maybe if you taped one on the end of it...

[Kilgore Trout]

Well, maybe if you taped one on the end of it...

That is a very bad idea. Trust me.

[Dr. Imago]

So, why are the obnoxious commercials for this fraudulent product still airing?

Because many men are insecure about the size of their weiners, and where a market exists someone will exploit it.

Agree about the fact that they make no specific structure/function claims in their current ad campaigns. And, apparently sales have been brisk enough to enable the owner of the company to sponsor a NASCAR team. So, as P.T. Barnum so aptly put it, "There's a sucker born every minute."

Let me bottom line it for you. I am a physician. I see naked people every day. The vast majority of men fall well within a predictable and relatively narrow range when it comes to size. There are the occassional outliers on each end. But, I've never heard a female nurse outwardly comment or even bat an eye on the size of a particular "member" she was putting a Foley into. This issue appears to be far more important to men than it is to most women. (Ladies, correct me if I'm wrong.)

Still, it never ceases to amaze me the perceived inadequacy that some men have. I had one patient a few years ago, who was having an orchiectomy for testicular cancer, say to me in the recovery room, "I wish they'd given me some more girth while they were in there, doc." The irony is that, compared to most other men, he was actually much larger than average already.

My personal conclusion is that the main inadequacy existing in men pursuing such products can be found primarily between the earlobes. Size truly only matters if you are either WAY too big, or WAY too small. Fact is, the vast majority of the male population is neither.

~Dr. Imago

[I Ratant]

Doc, it ain't the size, it's the stiffness!
When that goes away, a lot of other things do also, like the receptacle.

[Dr. Imago]

Doc, it ain't the size, it's the stiffness!
When that goes away, a lot of other things do also, like the receptacle.

There are plenty of reputable, FDA-approved, tested, and effective ED therapies on the market. No one has to feel embarrassed about talking to a physician about ED these days. It's gotten so much publicity in the past several years, many physicians are actually prompting their patients to talk about it with fairly generic, open questions like, "Is your sex life satifactory?" Why anyone would instead buy some costly, unproven snake oil from a nebulous TV commercial is beyond me.

~Dr. Imago

[Elizabeth I]

Doc, it ain't the size, it's the stiffness!
When that goes away, a lot of other things do also, like the receptacle.

There are plenty of reputable, FDA-approved, tested, and effective ED therapies on the market. No one has to feel embarrassed about talking to a physician about ED these days. It's gotten so much publicity in the past several years, many physicians are actually prompting their patients to talk about it with fairly generic, open questions like, "Is your sex life satifactory?" Why anyone would instead buy some costly, unproven snake oil from a nebulous TV commercial is beyond me.

~Dr. Imago

AND Enzyte did claim to increase size, not erectile potential.

Weird. (Sorry, guys, but the whole obsession with the issue is WEIRD.)

[quarky]

Remember the Mark Eden breast developer?

Its not only males that are prey to scams pertaining to inadequate protrusions.

[joobz]

Anyone who thinks a pill will make your penis bigger deserves to get ripped off.
Their penis???:eye-poppi

[Delvo]

Let me bottom line it for you. I am a physician. I see naked people every day. The vast majority of men fall well within a predictable and relatively narrow range when it comes to size. There are the occassional outliers on each end.I don't doubt or dispute this, but...

But, I've never heard a female nurse outwardly comment or even bat an eye on the size of a particular "member" she was putting a Foley into.You must not spend much time around them, at least not when the patients aren't there. I've heard women talking about this issue many times in other settings outside of medical clinics or hospitals. And I've heard them say many positive and negative things about other aspects of men they knew, men they'd just met, men they'd just seen, even men they had only read or heard about or seen on TV. This is true of women's behavior in schools, at work talking about co-workers, at work talking about customers who were in the store or had just left it, outside on the sidewalk talking about men they just saw walking by... It's not always on subjects that would seem so personal to the men if the men knew they were being talked about, but it makes no sense to think they'd hold back on just that one subject in just that one setting. And I have a specific contrary example anyway: a friend who relayed to me a comment on the subject that she'd gotten from her mother, based on her mother's experience as a nurse.

[Alferd_Packer]

That is a very bad idea. Trust me.

Sounds like you speak from experience. . .

[rocketdodger]

Anyone who thinks a pill will make your penis bigger deserves to get ripped off.

Including older men who have legitimate medical issues that prevent their erections from being like they used to be?

[Travis]

Their penis???:eye-poppi

That, as a punishment, seems a tiny little bit extreme.

Including older men who have legitimate medical issues that prevent their erections from being like they used to be?

Restoring a penis to the days of its youthful vigor is not the same as expecting it to suddenly double in size while you are in the prime of life. One might be accomplished through a pill while the other would have to defy medical science to be possible.

[Furi]

That is a very bad idea. Trust me.

Sounds like you speak from experience. . .

just thinking aloud, Anything that adheres to your lipstick stronger than surgical tape, Alginates, liquid latex or warm Honey/syrup is a big no-no, packaging, electrical and Gaffa are definate ones to avoid,

[Elizabeth I]

Remember the Mark Eden breast developer?

Its not only males that are prey to scams pertaining to inadequate protrusions.

Yeah, but I thought that was weird too.

[foxjwill]

Just as an interesting piece of trivia, evidently in ancient Greece it was considered desirable to have a small phallus.

[Slimething]

Just as an interesting piece of trivia, evidently in ancient Greece it was considered desirable to have a small phallus.

So, how do I get to this place? :confused:

[foxjwill]

So, how do I get to this place? :confused:
I'd suggest a good ol' time machine. May I refer you to H. G. Wells? ;)

[eversbane]

The real question:




Do you think Bob's wife is hot?

[foxjwill]

The real question:




Do you think Bob's wife is hot?

No. :)

[skeptifem]

From my understanding (I called them up a few years ago because I was curious) the product was simply supposed to increase blood flow in adult men who had lost some of it due to age or physical problems or what-have-you.

That doesn't seem like it would be a hard problem to solve with some sort of drug. Whether or not it actually worked, I have no idea.

my ex boyfriend took a similar product once, it made him extremely flush so i think it does do something minor for blood flow.

[Delvo]

No. :)Don't worry about him, though; one of the ads shows him auditioning a bunch of office workers for a replacement.

[NoisyAstronomer]

I'm glad I'm not the only one annoyed at this commercial. It is ALWAYS ON from my local Comcast. I'm *thisclose* to writing them a letter about it.

My friend comments on how the "scientists" in the commercial are using a folding table in their "lab." My favorite is the spokeswoman who blinks 80 times a second. Agh!

[TiaH]

I'm glad I'm not the only one annoyed at this commercial. It is ALWAYS ON from my local Comcast. I'm *thisclose* to writing them a letter about it.

My friend comments on how the "scientists" in the commercial are using a folding table in their "lab." My favorite is the spokeswoman who blinks 80 times a second. Agh!

Besides, the BRAIN is the biggest sex organ and all the ladies I know can think of others things to do if the guy is suffering from "weiner-down" syndrome.

[RecoveringYuppy]

my ex boyfriend took a similar product once, it made him extremely flush so i think it does do something minor for blood flow.
It probably includes Niacin which causes a flush.

[BenBurch]

What I fail to comprehend is why people mess with things to make it bigger when they don't even know how to use what they have? Ask any "experienced" woman how many guys she has been knew what to do with what nature gave them no matter what their size?

And why people look for some patent medicine to help it get hard when actual real doctors can give you something that actually really works?

I mean, this is nutty in the extreme.

[Elizabeth I]

What I fail to comprehend is why people mess with things to make it bigger when they don't even know how to use what they have? Ask any "experienced" woman how many guys she has been knew what to do with what nature gave them no matter what their size?

And why people look for some patent medicine to help it get hard when actual real doctors can give you something that actually really works?

I mean, this is nutty in the extreme.


It's not about "harder." It's about "bigger," even when it's not hard.

[billydkid]

my ex boyfriend took a similar product once, it made him extremely flush so i think it does do something minor for blood flow.Sounds like niacin. Anyone who has ever taken a substantial dose of niacin knows what I mean. It is actually kind of cool to experience because it is so weird.

[Ixion]

Just as an interesting piece of trivia, evidently in ancient Greece it was considered desirable to have a small phallus.

Don't be so sure: Priapus

[ponderingturtle]

Remember the Mark Eden breast developer?

Its not only males that are prey to scams pertaining to inadequate protrusions.

The thing is that it seems most women are not particularly concerned with penis size, many men certianly are concerned with bust size.

[ponderingturtle]

It's not about "harder." It's about "bigger," even when it's not hard.

Quite possibly especialy when not hard. You don't want to be hard when showing off to the guys at the gym.

[ponderingturtle]

Don't be so sure: Priapus

But was Priapus considered attractive because of it, or comical?

By citing gods then you could think that goat legs would be considered the height of male beauty.

[Delvo]

The thing is that it seems most women are not particularly concerned with penis size, many men certianly are concerned with bust size.Some women say that it doesn't matter, but the problem they have is that there are enough other women who admit it does and are completely mystified as to why anybody would bothering denying something so obvious and beyond doubt. The most interesting thing there is not whether it matters or not (no mystery, case closed, as far as I'm concerned), but which ones admit it and which ones deny it, and why. One told me that that many normally admit it to guys that they think feel fine about their own, and deny it to guys that they think are worried about it...

[billydkid]

I don't want a bigger wiener. I just want one that works more reliably.

[gnome]

Another unofficial result: On the "Dr. Drew" show (he's a pretty good skeptic BTW, you should hear him go off on the "cleansing toxins from the body" business) ... he reports that more women call to complain that their partner's penis is too LARGE than that it's too small.

As they are fond of pointing out, anyone who somehow happens to actually be non-trivially on the small side has many techniques available in substitute.

[billydkid]

Quite possibly especialy when not hard. You don't want to be hard when showing off to the guys at the gym.This is a truly embarrassing confession, but in as much as I am too far beyond my sexual prime for it to matter, here goes. I can remember when I used to go to the gym in my late twenties, before I would undress to go into the shower I would sit there for a few minutes thinking of something sexual just enough not to appear shrunken before I undressed. How is that for candor. Maybe this needs to go into the "Too much information" thread. But there you are. Most guys are pretty much the same in the aroused state, but some us shrink more than others when not - the cold water sort of effect. How I long for the days when merely thinking something sexual would instantly translate into arousal.

[Ixion]

But was Priapus considered attractive because of it, or comical?

By citing gods then you could think that goat legs would be considered the height of male beauty.

I am sure that it depends on who you ask. :D

However, I don't recall any Greek gods noted for a small phallus.

[Elizabeth I]

Some women say that it doesn't matter, but the problem they have is that there are enough other women who admit it does and are completely mystified as to why anybody would bothering denying something so obvious and beyond doubt. The most interesting thing there is not whether it matters or not (no mystery, case closed, as far as I'm concerned), but which ones admit it and which ones deny it, and why. One told me that that many normally admit it to guys that they think feel fine about their own, and deny it to guys that they think are worried about it...

How weird. I have never heard any of my friends say that size matters, and we have had plenty of explicit discussions.

What does matter is if (as someone said much earlier in this thread) the guy knows what he's doing.

[ponderingturtle]

Some women say that it doesn't matter, but the problem they have is that there are enough other women who admit it does and are completely mystified as to why anybody would bothering denying something so obvious and beyond doubt. The most interesting thing there is not whether it matters or not (no mystery, case closed, as far as I'm concerned), but which ones admit it and which ones deny it, and why. One told me that that many normally admit it to guys that they think feel fine about their own, and deny it to guys that they think are worried about it...

Um no. The thing is that different women find different forms of stimulation excite them differently. So some women orgasm much more effectively from vaginal stimulation than clitoral stimulation. So for them penis size might matter a lot. A different woman might well not be able to orgasm from vaginal stimulation and only from clitoral stimulation.

So these women should not be expected to enjoy the same actions equaly.

[ponderingturtle]

I am sure that it depends on who you ask. :D

However, I don't recall any Greek gods noted for a small phallus.

Noted for a small phallus or assumed to be fairly small as that was the accepted view of beauty, and what are the gods if not beautiful?

It seems that the gods noted for a large penis are not exactly the major serious gods after all.

[ponderingturtle]

How weird. I have never heard any of my friends say that size matters, and we have had plenty of explicit discussions.

What does matter is if (as someone said much earlier in this thread) the guy knows what he's doing.

Well it seems that different women but different emphasis on how much size matters to them.

Not at all suprising given how much different things excite different people sexualy.

[maxfrost]

Forget penis size or reliability, how could any woman get turned on by a guy as creepy as Bob?

[Theophage]

Does anyone know the name of the actor that plays "Bob"? has he been in anything else?

[Elizabeth I]

Forget penis size or reliability, how could any woman get turned on by a guy as creepy as Bob?

It's not so much that women are turned on by Bob as that the manufacturers want other creepy guys like Bob to believe that they can turn women on. Bob is a role model. :p