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SYLVESTER1592

22nd July 2008, 11:25 AM

Radovan Karadzic, Bosnian warcriminal was caught today (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/876084.stm) and was in hiding in Belgrade working as an alternative healer. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7519039.stm)

Alternative medicine apparently accepts known mass-murderering politicians to become one of their peers.

I guess knowing how to murder a lot of people, spreading hate, supporting generals who orchestrate mass-rape and genocide are good enough credentials to start your career as an alternative healer, after leaving the medical establishment ofcourse.

SYL :)

plumjam

22nd July 2008, 12:16 PM

Is there really such a difference between alternative medicine and conventional medicine?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_189424886238604f97.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=13142)

Harold Shipman

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_18942488623bc0294f.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=13143)

Radovan Karadzic

Macoy

22nd July 2008, 12:21 PM

plumjam

22nd July 2008, 12:38 PM

Yes, my GP always advocates ODing on morphine when I pay him a visit.

Can't quite make it, though.

Spoilsport.

krelnik

22nd July 2008, 01:46 PM

We already have a thread on this topic over here:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=119147

ETA: OOPS, Originally I linked to the wrong thread. Above is fixed.

sickstan

22nd July 2008, 02:18 PM

Any idea what kind of pseudoscience Karadzic was up to? I think someone should have posted a pic of Andrew Weil next to Karadzic's pic. I'm not equating Weil with Karadzic's mass murder and ethnic cleansing, but that whole bearded guru thing can't be a coincidence.

krelnik

22nd July 2008, 05:26 PM

I posted some details and a link to his woo website over in the other thread. See my link above.

SYLVESTER1592

22nd July 2008, 06:29 PM

We already have a thread on this topic over here:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=119147

ETA: OOPS, Originally I linked to the wrong thread. Above is fixed.

Okies, thank you :)
BTW, the top picture is Karadzic,
Uhm... yeah, big difference. Still I think we kinda throw you out of the club for genocide. It's a bit of a no no...

SYL:)

SYLVESTER1592

22nd July 2008, 06:50 PM

On a side note: Here is an extract of some of his writings in Healthy Life (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dragan-dabic-columnist-on-healthy-life-ndash-and-europes-most-wanted-war-criminal-874845.html)
He seems to be have become an accomplished woo supplier...

But enough of that, I guess we better move to the other thread

SYL:)

Rolfe

23rd July 2008, 02:36 AM

Mojo

23rd July 2008, 06:10 AM

He was a genuine psychiatrist, wasn't he? I would have thought with that background and no conscience, alternative medicine was a pretty smart choice when it came to lying low, earning a living and no questions asked!

Well, seeing as he'll have been working with people who'll believe anything...

See also www.stopkaz.com

If only Robert Lancaster had set up a "Stop Dragan" website Karadzic might have been caught ages ago!

Mojo

23rd July 2008, 06:14 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/23/radovankaradzic.warcrimes2

As Dabic, he set up a website called Psy Help Energy which advertised the David Wellbeing Programme which offered help from "experienced experts from pioneering areas of science where there are immense possibilities for interaction with natural forces in and around us".

Among other services offered were acupuncture, homeopathy, "quantum medicine" and traditional cures.

I hope there's going to be a revised edition of Dana's book!

krelnik

23rd July 2008, 07:14 PM

Rose Shapiro (author of the book Suckers: How Alternative Medicine Makes Fools Of Us All (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Suckers-Alternative-Medicine-Makes-Fools/dp/product-description/1846550289)) has a neat piece in The Guardian tonight that starts of with Karadzic and rails against all of alternative medicine.

Rose Shapiro on how to spot quacks (http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/jul/24/healthandwellbeing.radovankaradzic)
A bad week for alternative medicine
The Guardian, Thursday July 24, 2008

Could this be the moment when alternative medicine finally gets the reputation it deserves and is seen for what it is - a massive social and intellectual fraud? Everything that is wrong with complementary and alternative medicine is contained in the two stories that have dominated the news this week - the discovery that Radovan Karadzic had reinvented himself as a white-haired guru offering homeopathy, energy medicine and acupuncture, and the story of Dawn Page, a woman who is now brain-damaged after she went on a "detox diet". For alternative medicine is not only founded on lies and falsehoods, but it can be very bad indeed for your health.

I'm particularly fond of this part of the article, for some reason:

Now websites such as whatstheharm.net (http://www.whatstheharm.net/) and skepdic.com/refuge/harmarchive (http://www.skepdic.com/refuge/harmarchive) have begun to catalogue cases of injury at the hands of alternative practitioners, including that of Rosemary Jacobs, whose skin was allegedly turned permanantly grey by the daily drinking of a silver supplement and of those whose ear drums were severely burned by hot wax dripping from an ear candle. Frances Denoon, who claims that she suffered a severe stroke and nearly died after a chiropractic neck manipulation, is campagning in the UK to publicise this risk.

geni

23rd July 2008, 09:08 PM

He was a genuine psychiatrist, wasn't he? I would have thought with that background and no conscience, alternative medicine was a pretty smart choice when it came to lying low, earning a living and no questions asked!

Rolfe.

He wasn't exactly lying low though with those confrences. But yes his training as a psychiatrist and what must have been fairly good people skills to have had a reasonable political career would likely have made the alt med gig pretty easy for him.

Mojo

24th July 2008, 01:23 AM

Alternative therapy for evil homeopaths (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5dc391de-5918-11dd-a093-000077b07658.html)

Of course with hindsight health shops of the world were an obvious hiding place for genocidal maniacs. Remember all that talk of cleansing impurities? Well, I think we now know what that was all about.

...

How long can it be until the National Security Agency, operating undercover in Greenwich Village, finally pinpoints the precise location of Osama bin Laden's reiki parlour?