AE911 Mass Emails

[Newtons Bit]

So one of the engineers in my office got this email, with an attachment from our buddy Richard Gage on what his "hard evidence" really is.

Dear Structural Engineer:

I obtained your email address by searching for structural engineers on google.

I am writing to you because you are an expert in the field of steel structures and I am concerned about the official story of the collapse of the three World Trade Center buildings.

World Trade Center Building Seven (a 47-story steel structure) collapsed in its entirety at 5:20 pm on 9/11 at free-fall acceleration, vertically and symmetrically into its own footprint. As you know, no steel-framed building has ever collapsed due to fire alone. (WTC-7 was not hit by a plane and was 350 feet away from Tower-1).

Here is a ten second video of the collapse of WTC7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

Pictures of the minimal and isolated fires in WTC-7:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=wtc7%20fires&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

There is a lot of evidence that thermite was used to bring down the three towers.

More than 400 architects and engineers have signed the petition calling for a new congressional investigation. Please consider signing the petition.

View the current signers here - http://www.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php

Here are short bios and personal statements of licensed and degreed engineers who have signed the petition:
http://www.ae911truth.org/supporters.php?g=ENG

Home page - www.ae911truth.org

I am attaching a letter from Richard Gage, AIA - the founder of Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth

Thanks for your time,

David Feldman

P.S. - If you have extra time, you can do a youtube search for "Richard Gage" and also a youtube search for "Steven Jones". (Steven Jones is the university professor and physicist who has hard evidence of thermite being used in the three towers for their controlled demolition. Here are his websites: http://journalof911studies.com/ and http://stj911.org/.)



She was equally split between giggling at their insanity, frustrated at their stupid and anger at the implications. She was talking about it to one of the older engineers in the office, who is a bit hard of hearing, and thought she was talking about getting a crazy email from people who thought [I]termites[I] brought down the tower. Mass hilarity ensued.

I'll add the attachment later. It's 500kb and the forum only allows me to add 250kb.

[Grizzly Bear]

So one of the engineers in my office got this email, with an attachment from our buddy Richard Gage on what his "hard evidence" really is.



She was equally split between giggling at their insanity, frustrated at their stupid and anger at the implications. She was talking about it to one of the older engineers in the office, who is a bit hard of hearing, and thought she was talking about getting a crazy email from people who thought [I]termites[I] brought down the tower. Mass hilarity ensued.

I'll add the attachment later. It's 500kb and the forum only allows me to add 250kb.

After watching Gage's card board box fiasco, I can only laugh at the idiocy... Although I don't blame the conflicting hilarity and the utter seriousness of what they're trying to do... I've been in the same boat for some time now. :D

[Reality Believer]

I obtained your email address by searching for structural engineers on google.

Wow, an act of a desperate man. How sad. :(

[OldTigerCub]

Just a guess, but I get the impression that the author of that e-mail, David Feldman, has never read "How to Win Friends and Influence People". (http://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/0671723650):p

[Brainster]

They're on a mission to get Gage's group up to 1,000 architects by 9/11/08. However, at their current pace of about 2 new members per week they're not likely to get there from the current total of 412.:D

[bje]

That's despicable.

Do professional engineers ascribe to a code of ethics that would get Gage et al thrown out of the profession as they deserve?

[Jonnyclueless]

Report it as spam and hopefully they could get black listed.

I wonder if they will include his cardboard box demonstration on the website.

[JamesB]

Report it as spam and hopefully they could get black listed.

I wonder if they will include his cardboard box demonstration on the website.

I doubt it, they have not even mentioned the debate at all on their website.

I figured out that at their current pace they will reach 1,000... sometime in the spring of 2023.

[SezMe]

OT
Brainster's got another great Obama avatar. You photoshop that yourself? :)
/OT

[LashL]

So one of the engineers in my office got this email, with an attachment from our buddy Richard Gage on what his "hard evidence" really is.



She was equally split between giggling at their insanity, frustrated at their stupid and anger at the implications. She was talking about it to one of the older engineers in the office, who is a bit hard of hearing, and thought she was talking about getting a crazy email from people who thought [i]termites[i] brought down the tower. Mass hilarity ensued.

I'll add the attachment later. It's 500kb and the forum only allows me to add 250kb.


Heh ~ if Gage really wanted to ensure the success of his spamming campaign, he should have tweaked David's note to have it say that he was writing from Nigeria where the "hard evidence" is currently inaccessible to him due to the death of someone in his family, but if the recipient could just see his way clear to sending David his or her banking, credit card, and other personal information, the Nigerian authorities will send the information to the recipient, and then the recipient can break the story of the century complete with "hard evidence" and become instantly famous and wealthy beyond belief...

or something.

:D

[MarkyX]

I doubt it, they have not even mentioned the debate at all on their website.

I figured out that at their current pace they will reach 1,000... sometime in the spring of 2023.

Doubt it. There won't even be 1000 9/11 deniers in 2023.

[Mancman]

Desperate, pathetic and hilarious.

[T.A.M.]

Calling this crap from Gage and his monkeys SPAM, is insulting to SPAM!

TAM:)

[LashL]

[off topic]

I've been meaning to mention that I love your new avatar, TAM. :D

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[T.A.M.]

merci beaucoup.

TAM;)

[Hokulele]

Heh ~ if Gage really wanted to ensure the success of his spamming campaign, he should have tweaked David's note to have it say that he was writing from Nigeria where the "hard evidence" is currently inaccessible to him due to the death of someone in his family, but if the recipient could just see his way clear to sending David his or her banking, credit card, and other personal information, the Nigerian authorities will send the information to the recipient, and then the recipient can break the story of the century complete with "hard evidence" and become instantly famous and wealthy beyond belief...

or something.

:D


:D

[The Director]

I remember getting e-mails similar to these.

E-mails that said that if I did not reply in 5 minutes and send it to everyone I knew that I did not love Jesus.

E-mails that said a special script was encoded in the e-mail and that St. Jude's Research Hospital would give .05 to a dying child with leukemia to each person that I sent it to.

E-mails that said that my crush would walk away forever and never speak to me if I did not sign my name to the list.

Let's face it folks. The Truth Movement is dying. It looks like Gravy will move on to debunking alligators in the NYC sewers. Pat and James will start a new blog called Screw Kevin Trudeau. And Ryan Owens will create YouTube videos of girls playing Nintendo in their underwear.

Perhaps I am being a little too optimistic...

[JamesB]

Let's face it folks. The Truth Movement is dying. It looks like Gravy will move on to debunking alligators in the NYC sewers. Pat and James will start a new blog called Screw Kevin Trudeau. And Ryan Owens will create YouTube videos of girls playing Nintendo in their underwear.

Perhaps I am being a little too optimistic...

The guy who does Doonesbury? :rolleyes:

[steve s]

That's despicable.

Do professional engineers ascribe to a code of ethics that would get Gage et al thrown out of the profession as they deserve?

From this site... (http://courses.cs.vt.edu/~cs3604/lib/WorldCodes/ASCE.html)



Fundamental Canons
1) Engineers shall hold paramount the safety, health and welfare of the public in the performance of their professional duties.
2)Engineers shall perform services only in areas of their competence.
3)Engineers shall issue public statements only in a subjective and truthful manner.
4)Engineers shall act in professional matters for each employer or client as faithful agents or trustees, and shall avoid conflicts of interest.
5)Engineers shall build their professioal reputation on the merit of their services and shall not compete unfairly with others.
6)Engineers shall act in such a manner as to uphold and enhance the honor, integrity, and dignity of the engineering profession.
7)Engineers shall continue their professional development throughout their careers, and shall provide opportunities for the professional development of those engineers under their supervision.

Steve S.

[steve s]

The guy who does Doonesbury? :rolleyes:

Um, that's Garry.

Steve S.

[johnny karate]

I am writing to you because you are an expert in the field of steel structures and I am concerned about the official story of the collapse of the three World Trade Center buildings.

Yeah, so concerned that he waited almost seven years to send out a handful of e-mails. What's the next phase of the master plan? Follow up e-mails sometime in 2010? Maybe a phone call or two in 2018? Way to be on the ball, Truthers!

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Actually I rather like the termite theory. It makes about as much sense any any other I have heard from the Trvthers. Maybe they were nano-termites. Yes that's it -- quantum-nano-termites. Or possibly -- multi-dimensional-quantum-nano-termites. Who knows what secrets Area-51 has extracted from those captured UFOs? :covereyes

[KDLarsen]

Actually I rather like the termite theory. It makes about as much sense any any other I have heard from the Trvthers. Maybe they were nano-termites. Yes that's it -- quantum-nano-termites. Or possibly -- multi-dimensional-quantum-nano-termites. Who knows what secrets Area-51 has extracted from those captured UFOs? :covereyes
There's a suggestion for Judy Wood :D

[Jonnyclueless]

I think I got some of that AE911 spam. It said something about maintaining an erection for hours and getting a free diploma. Sounds like them to me.

[Brainster]

OT
Brainster's got another great Obama avatar. You photoshop that yourself? :)
/OT

Found here (http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/07/obama_ignorance_watch_a_very_s.asp). Politics warning! Although it looks a little more like a straight-up crown shrunk down it's actually a brain thingy like my original avatar (still at my blog).

[BenBurch]

Actually I rather like the termite theory. It makes about as much sense any any other I have heard from the Trvthers. Maybe they were nano-termites. Yes that's it -- quantum-nano-termites. Or possibly -- multi-dimensional-quantum-nano-termites. Who knows what secrets Area-51 has extracted from those captured UFOs? :covereyes

Genetically modified termites where the chitin is replaced with Titanium.

[cludgie]

I think I got some of that AE911 spam. It said something about maintaining an erection for hours and getting a free diploma. Sounds like them to me.

And then you'd complain to AE911 that your erection failed after only minutes and they'd say this could only have occurred due to explosive controlled demolition.

[Lennart Hyland]

Wow he is so desperate!

And he is still continously repeating the same bs we heard over and over again. Small fires - symetrical collapse bla bla bla

[Furi]

A 500kB attachment as well as an unsolicited email. I'm just guessing but I am pretty sure their ISP will have an AUP point on the sending of such, get the ******** Blackholed

[cludgie]

I just noticed that the email encourages the reader to search youtube for 'Richard Gage'. Would it be possible to somehow get a video of the cardboard box episode to the top of the results list?!

[~enigma~]

From this site... (http://courses.cs.vt.edu/%7Ecs3604/lib/WorldCodes/ASCE.html)




Steve S.
The fundamental cannons are great but Gage isn't an engineer.

[T.A.M.]

http://www.aia.org/about_ethics

http://www.aia.org/SiteObjects/files/Hyperlinked_2007_CodeforWeb%20page.pdf

TAM:)

[kookbreaker]

"Hello, My name is David Rhodes..errr...Richard Gage!"

[~enigma~]

http://www.aia.org/about_ethics

http://www.aia.org/SiteObjects/files/Hyperlinked_2007_CodeforWeb%20page.pdf

TAM:)After Gage's little AIA logo screwup, is he still a member?

[WildCat]

You know, Gage is actually trying to recruit actual experts for his cause. I'm starting to think that Gage actually believes his own BS.

[~enigma~]

You know, Gage is actually trying to recruit actual experts for his cause.No chance of him recruiting anybody besides mentally deficient individuals. Just because they may have credentials doesn't mean they are immune from stupidity. I'm starting to think that Gage actually believes his own BS.Of course he does. Why else would he risk his professional life as he is with these emails? He is just as psychotic as Mr. Thermite (Steven Jones) and Aquaman (Kevin Ryan).

ETA - I would have said Ms. Keebler (Judy Wood) but that wouldn't be fair since besides being psychotic she has never recovered consciousness from her coma.

[Drudgewire]

Calling this crap from Gage and his monkeys SPAM, is insulting to SPAM!

TAM:)


You could make the exact same argument about junk if we referred to it as junk mail. :)

[A W Smith]

http://www.aia.org/about_ethics

http://www.aia.org/SiteObjects/files/Hyperlinked_2007_CodeforWeb%20page.pdf

TAM:)


Hmmm interesting

Do you have to be an AIA member to file a complaint?

No. A complaint may be filed by a member, an AIA component, or anyone directly aggrieved by the conduct of a member.

[Brainster]

I just noticed that the email encourages the reader to search youtube for 'Richard Gage'. Would it be possible to somehow get a video of the cardboard box episode to the top of the results list?!

I added the video to my post "Richard Gage, AIA and Crackpot (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/06/richard-gage-aia-and-crackpot.html)" which is currently #3 on Google searches (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Richard+Gage&btnG=Google+Search) for "Richard Gage".

:D

[T.A.M.]

Well the AIA has an architect finder, based on ZIP CODE, and he claims he is based in a San Francisco CA firm, so if you want to take the time to hunt him down to see if he is still a member...

http://architectfinder.aia.org/

ZIP 94101-94188

TAM:)

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

I think any bridge, building, tunnel, or road that has been designed by one of these "engineers for troof" should be labeled so that we normal people can avoid their shoddy work.

Seriously, I wouldn't want to be on a suspension bridge where one of these idiots was responsible for even a calculation of 2+2.

[T.A.M.]

At the website, he lists himself as a member of AIA,

http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999969

Gives his license #, so it seems he is licensed??

TAM:)

[AZCat]

At the website, he lists himself as a member of AIA,

http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999969

Gives his license #, so it seems he is licensed??

TAM:)

Gages' license (at least his California one) is current, so says the California Architects Board (link (http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/WLLQRYNA$LCEV2.QueryView?P_LICENSE_NUMBER=19220&P_LTE_ID=1010)).

[nicepants]

So one of the engineers in my office got this email, with an attachment from our buddy Richard Gage on what his "hard evidence" really is.

Did anyone respond to the e-mail? I would love to see the thoughts of an engineer learning of Gage's ridiculous claims for the first time.

[AZCat]

Did anyone respond to the e-mail? I would love to see the thoughts of an engineer learning of Gage's ridiculous claims for the first time.

They're usually quite surprised someone thinks the towers were demolished, although I know a few engineers who had (or have) doubts about the collapses. Most of the time we just sit around and laugh about the wild stuff the "truth movement" comes up with.

[dtugg]

I emailed the Calfornia Architect's Board (cab@dca.ca.gov) about Gage and the cardboard box fiasco. I don't know if anybody has done this yet and I doubt the CBA will do anything, but who knows. It will be great if he ends up losing his license over that "experiment." Of course if that happened, I'm sure he would accuse the CAB of being part of the NWO conspiracy.

[boloboffin]

Personally, I don't see how his cardboard box experiment has anything to do with his ability to design the types of buildings he designs. People get to be wackos off the clock if they're competent on the clock, and we don't have any evidence of his ability one way or the other, other than his ability to stay employed in his field. Yes, we should point out that his experience has nothing to do with determining when buildings have been surreptitiously demolished. But the only reason I can see for Gage losing his license would be if he was a crappy architect. That's something I don't know.

As Brainster has learned, the man's marriage broke up over his commitment to this. Whatever else he may be, a true believer he is. There is a difference between pointing out his silly beliefs to anyone who would listen and persecuting him, and trying to get his license pulled over his out-of-expertise foolishness feels like it's over the line to me.

[~enigma~]

Well the AIA has an architect finder, based on ZIP CODE, and he claims he is based in a San Francisco CA firm, so if you want to take the time to hunt him down to see if he is still a member...

http://architectfinder.aia.org/

ZIP 94101-94188

TAM:)Already done but I may have missed him since it isn't in alphabetical order.

[T.A.M.]

Personally, I don't see how his cardboard box experiment has anything to do with his ability to design the types of buildings he designs. People get to be wackos off the clock if they're competent on the clock, and we don't have any evidence of his ability one way or the other, other than his ability to stay employed in his field. Yes, we should point out that his experience has nothing to do with determining when buildings have been surreptitiously demolished. But the only reason I can see for Gage losing his license would be if he was a crappy architect. That's something I don't know.

As Brainster has learned, the man's marriage broke up over his commitment to this. Whatever else he may be, a true believer he is. There is a difference between pointing out his silly beliefs to anyone who would listen and persecuting him, and trying to get his license pulled over his out-of-expertise foolishness feels like it's over the line to me.

That is why I provided the link to the AIA code of conduct. As a professional, you are required to follow a code of conduct. Gage has announced himself publicly as a believer that the USG purposely killed three thousand of its own people. If this, or anything else he has done, violates his code of conduct, then it is fair game to be brought to their attention.

He is using his "Expertise" via the aura of authority that being a certified architect brings to all that he says, especially to the unknowing public, and in part, a code of conduct is set for the purpose of protecting the unknowing public.

Don't forget, he is the one who has publicly brought HIS NAME, and HIS PROFESSION into his 9/11 hobby. He has organized other professionals in support of it, and together they are using THEIR STATUS AS PROFESSIONALS to forward their cause.

If he is not in violation, then so be it. Personally, I don't care either way, but others here do.

TAM:)

TAM:)

[Minadin]

They're usually quite surprised someone thinks the towers were demolished, although I know a few engineers who had (or have) doubts about the collapses. Most of the time we just sit around and laugh about the wild stuff the "truth movement" comes up with.

I actually know someone who is on his list. He's a fairly recent graduate of architecture school and even says in his "narrative" or whatever they call it, that he thinks most of the stuff they're endorsing is bunk. He thinks the wtc7 collapse is suspicious. I should probably confront it about it some time just so that he doesn't sully his own name; I'm not all that worried about him lending any appreciable credibility to the AE911 truth organization.

[Bluesky]

last time I counted, which was a few weeks ago, he head the following numbers signed up on his web site: 80 licensed structural and civil engineers and 64 licensed architects.

Since this is one of the most important engineering events of our lifetimes... these numbers reflect the really tiny support he has from the industry.

[Gravy]

last time I counted, which was a few weeks ago, he head the following numbers signed up on his web site: 80 licensed structural and civil engineers and 64 licensed architects.

Since this is one of the most important engineering events of our lifetimes... these numbers reflect the really tiny support he has from the industry.Yup. And the last time I counted (in June), nearly a quarter of his professional architects and engineers were unverified, many for over a year, despite the fact that he tells them he'll add them to the list after their credentials are verified.

But much more important than that is what these members say. Almost none show the slightest familiarity with the relevant engineering studies.

These are people listed as structural engineers whose opinions Gage thinks deserve promotion:

–Charles Pegelow thinks nuclear weapons destroyed the towers.

–Robert T. Mote thinks the tower collapses started from the bottom: "I could never understand the 'convenient' vertical collapse at the BASE due to an extreme event at height."

–Structural engineer Dennis Kollar says, “For me the most convincing aspect that the 911 collapse was a controlled demolition is the recorded explosions on the 9/11 Eyewitness DVD.” The "recorded explosions" he's referring to are wind noise captured by the camera in Hoboken, a few miles away from the WTC. That should be staggeringly obvious to anyone who has seen footage from close to the WTC, where what would be absolutely enormous "explosions" are not captured by any microphones.

–Structural engineer Michael Donley says, "I have read the FEMA report and conclude that it is incomplete at best and a cover-up at worst.” The FEMA report? Welcome to 2002, Mr. Donley. You might try reading the 10,000 page NIST report. Can't blame you, though. Richard has led by example and not bothered to read the NIST report either. (Yes, I can prove that.)

–Engineer Edward Knesl says, “We do not know the phenomenon of the high rise building to disintegrate internally faster than the free fall of the debris coming down from the top.” Faster than freefall! He' hasn't even bothered to review videos of the collapses. Can these people possibly be any less competent?

Actually, yes. Here's what AE 911 Truth engineer Donald Messerlian believes:

–“Seismographic evidence proved pre-planted explosives destroyed WTC 1, 2 and building 7 before the planes struck buildings 1 & 2.”

Right. The three WTC buildings were destroyed before the planes hit. In the same vein of disturbed fantasy, Richard's aerospace engineer is a "no-planer":

–"After performing some in-depth research on this subject, I have come to the conclusion that no commercial airplanes impacted the two WTC Towers. No commercial plane impacted the Pentagon. No commercial aircraft buried itself in Pennsylvania terra firma."

Of course, Gage is no better than the nuke promoters and no-planers whose opinions he promotes. On a radio show in May he said,

”Ninety thousand tons of structural steel has been pulverized to a fine talcum powder through these intense explosions”

He is unwell.

[ref]

Richard has led by example and not bothered to read the NIST report either. (Yes, I can prove that.)


Prove it, I dare you! :D

[adversity1]

Please prove.

Merely for my lols. :)