NASA Astronaut - Alien cover up!

[applecorped]

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24070088-13762,00.html

"FORMER NASA astronaut and moon-walker Dr Edgar Mitchell - a veteran of the Apollo 14 mission - has stunningly claimed aliens exist."

[Loss Leader]

Well, it's not exactly news. Mitchell has been blithering about aliens since at least 1998.

Seeing as he was, in his words, "privileged enough to be in on the fact that we've been visited on this planet," you'd think he could list some of the evidence that he saw. Yet, despite his claims of UFO contact and government coverup, he still has not explained exactly what he witnessed that led him to his conclusion.

I'm sure he was a great astronaut.

[Locknar]

Well, it's not exactly news. Mitchell has been blithering about aliens since at least 1998.

Seeing as he was, in his words, "privileged enough to be in on the fact that we've been visited on this planet," you'd think he could list some of the evidence that he saw. Yet, despite his claims of UFO contact and government coverup, he still has not explained exactly what he witnessed that led him to his conclusion.

I'm sure he was a great astronaut.What...provide proof of his claims? Naw, that would be to easy...he'd rather just babble endlessly and make baseless claims.

[ExMinister]

At 77, I hope it's not an issue of his mind being less clear because that would be sad. Even with his history of woo beliefs, how bizarre that he would back Roswell and claim insider information about that, of all things. Hasn't that been thoroughly explained to the satisfaction of everyone but the nuttiest UFO types? I never would have pegged him as one of those.

[Orphia Nay]

At a woo forum I visit, one of the woos said that Mitchell can't remember walking on the moon. Another woo said that that is because we never went to the moon. Delusion or senility doesn't exist in wooland.

[riverlethe]

Were his claims true, wouldn't he have been killed by now?

[Ragnarok]

Were his claims true, wouldn't he have been killed by now?

This question always annoys me! Why would any secret cabal be in any rush to silence these dissenting voices, when there is a mass media machine ready to rip them to shreds, the moment they pop their heads above the parapet?:confused:

[Gord_in_Toronto]

This question always annoys me! Why would any secret cabal be in any rush to silence these dissenting voices, when there is a mass media machine ready to rip them to shreds, the moment they pop their heads above the parapet?:confused:

And when is this "mass media machine" going to start ripping "them to shreds"? Must be on a channel I can't receive! :mad:

[Ragnarok]

And when is this "mass media machine" going to start ripping "them to shreds"? Must be on a channel I can't receive! :mad:

Well, one would first have to take them seriously before that process could start. Name me a significant number of incidents where the news media has treated these reports with anything beyond the standard ridicule and disbelief?

[paximperium]

Well, one would first have to take them seriously before that process could start. Name me a significant number of incidents where the news media has treated these reports with anything beyond the standard ridicule and disbelief?

Why should they? Why should anyone take these claims seriously?

Something called evidence would be really helpful in making the claims a tad bit more plausible.

[Ragnarok]

Why should they? Why should anyone take these claims seriously?

Something called evidence would be really helpful in making the claims a tad bit more plausible.

If these people had physical 'evidence', they probably would be dead!

[e-sabbath]

I admit, this has slightly raised the possibility that we have already been visited by aliens, in my mind. After all, he would be considered an authority, and the point of a conspiracy of this size being improbable is that someone would eventually let it slip. This could be a case of such.

It raises the possibility from .00001 to .00002, mind you, but there you go. If there is substantiating evidence, it could be raised higher.

[jsiv]

And the conspiracy kooks claim the astronauts got past the Van Allen belt unscathed.

Clearly not.

[paximperium]

If these people had physical 'evidence', they probably would be dead!

How did you draw that conclusion?
What evidence do you have of this claim?
Dead from what?
Be clear and concise.

[Patricio Elicer]

But what in hell is the purpose of an alien cover-up?,.... and for decades!

On one hand we have SETI, a US effort to detect ET life, and on the other hand we are told that the US covers up ET findings. Silly.

I can imagine that the US has a lot more to gain declaring that they have ET evidence than hiding it. Why covering it up?

[Ragnarok]

How did you draw that conclusion?
What evidence do you have of this claim?
Dead from what?
Be clear and concise.

It's called using your imagination. It's what a detective usually works with before they have found any clues!

[paximperium]

It's called using your imagination. It's what a detective usually works with before they have found any clues!

No. It's called unjustified wild speculation. I prefer to call it slander but to each their own.

I'm still waiting for my answer.
Oh, yeah what "clues" have your detective found?

[paximperium]

It's called using your imagination. It's what a detective usually works with before they have found any clues!

Oh yeah, I just noticed.

You used "imagination" as an explanation as to why UFO true believers don't have any physical evidence by "imagining" that they'll be dead?

Wow...great logic.

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Well, one would first have to take them seriously before that process could start. Name me a significant number of incidents where the news media has treated these reports with anything beyond the standard ridicule and disbelief?

Just off the top of my head -- the Phoenix Lights. The ""Learning"" Channel here in Canada just finished its "UFO Week". Scarcely a sensible word to be heard.

A quick Google for <UFO poll belief +2008> turns up:
http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/34758
Most Americans say it is very likely or somewhat likely that humans are not alone in the universe and that intelligent life exists on other planets.

Only a third of adults, however, believe it's either very likely or somewhat likely that intelligent aliens from space have visited our planet, according to a survey of 1,003 adults conducted by Scripps Howard News Service and Ohio University.

The poll revealed that one in every 12 Americans has seen a mysterious object in the sky that might have been a visitor from another world, while nearly one in every five personally knows someone who has seen an unidentified flying
object.

Ha. Ha. The article continues with the implication that the "Phoenix Lights" are unexplained and gets pretty much the whole history of UFOlogy wrong.

The mass media is staffed with BA graduates who became scared of science in high school.

[King of the Americas]

But what in hell is the purpose of an alien cover-up?,.... and for decades!

On one hand we have SETI, a US effort to detect ET life, and on the other hand we are told that the US covers up ET findings. Silly.

I can imagine that the US has a lot more to gain declaring that they have ET evidence than hiding it. Why covering it up?

*To hold onto "power"...

When you look at ANY 'government' actions, that is ultimately the answer.

IF the American government, or any government for that matter, came forth and openly admitted, that they were not the 'ultimate power', and that something was 'more capable' then them...what would the result be?

Not to mention what would happen, when they found out that their government has been LYING to them for decades...

---

SETI doesn't look for or listen for "near Earth U.F.O.'s", they are looking to other stars for signals.

Maybe they should look close to home...

[applecorped]

The purpose of an Alien cover-up is to hold onto power? How would revealing it reduce power?

[moon1969]

George W. Bush"s approval rating is 29%. Many people in the USA think that Bush lied to get people in the Iraq war and more money and power to his oil friends. So why would George W. Bush need to cover up aliens and UFOS to stay in power when many people want to impeach Bush? That argument for the cover up doesn"t make any sense. Besides there are many people working in the government, somebody would have exposed the cover up with credible evidence if the cover up was true.

[Patricio Elicer]

*To hold onto "power"...

When you look at ANY 'government' actions, that is ultimately the answer.

IF the American government, or any government for that matter, came forth and openly admitted, that they were not the 'ultimate power', and that something was 'more capable' then them...what would the result be?


But why a country announcing it has evidence of ET visitation would reduce its power?. That's a baseless wild speculation, especially for countries other than the US.

Seems to me far more reasonable that it is just the other way around. That is, a goverment would reinforce and strenghten its power with such a formidable announcement: national pride of being the first to find evidence of ET life (and intelligent!); scaring other potential enemy countries by possesing an unimaginable advanced technology; diverting the attention from internal political mess to something fascinating, etc.


SETI doesn't look for or listen for "near Earth U.F.O.'s", they are looking to other stars for signals.


Yes, but the mere fact of knowing that there is intelligent life out there in space would have the same negative effect on power, according to your rationale above. It would tell the public that there are advanced ET beings capable of invading us, and that we had already revealed to them our position in space. So I don't see why your rationale doesn't apply to SETI.

[icerat]

If you actually listen to the interview, Mitchell sounds like he's claiming he's been in on "official" meetings on this topic, with goverment reps etc etc, but after a while it becomes clear he's not. All that he has been "in" on are meetings with various other well known members of the UFO's are real community.

Of course, the media has preferred to go with the initial misinterpretation.

[Kahalachan]

But what in hell is the purpose of an alien cover-up?,.... and for decades!

On one hand we have SETI, a US effort to detect ET life, and on the other hand we are told that the US covers up ET findings. Silly.

I can imagine that the US has a lot more to gain declaring that they have ET evidence than hiding it. Why covering it up?

I think a common rebuttle would be the notion that the gov't doesn't mind wasting our money pretending to find life to tell the public that they are still searching for it.

But SETI is also privately funded.

http://www.seti.org/about-us/index.php

So we can play on the idea of "greedy corporations" and suggest that they would act in their best interest and not give money to SETI if there is any reason at all to believe aliens have already visited.

Not only would they withdraw their money, but you can imagine they'd bribe an employee, involved in this so-called "cover up", millions of dollars to leak hard evidence.

That would be some powerful advertising to be the company that proved aliens exist.

[Aitch]

From today's Observer - Quotes of the Week:

Dr Mitchell is a great American, but we do not share his opinions on this.
NASA spokesman.

But they would say that, wouldn't they? (Also a quote - Mandy Rice Davis, IIRC)

[Lennart Hyland]

How likely is it that Aliens actully have been here?

I remember my old physics teacher told me and my class that Aliens will probably never come to us and we will never get to them. Because of vast distance between us.

[Roadtoad]

How likely is it that Aliens actully have been here?

I remember my old physics teacher told me and my class that Aliens will probably never come to us and we will never get to them. Because of vast distance between us.

Or more likely:

Alien Commander: Well, troops. What have we found out about this planet?

Scout 1: Sir, the biggest news story of the year is one Anna Nicole Smith.

Scout 2: Sir, these people eat from a place called "Taco Bell." Willingly.

Scout 3: DUDE! When they wear their clothes? They, like, SAG!

Scout 4: Well, they DID elect George W. Bush for President in the United States.

Alien Commander: Okay, that's it. We're out of here. There's no intelligent life on this rock.

[wipeout]

A question to ask alien visitation believers is why huge numbers of professional and amateur astronomers have watched, filmed and photographed the sky every night all over the world for many decades and yet never seem to see a damn thing that they can't explain.

[Cuddles]

A question to ask alien visitation believers is why huge numbers of professional and amateur astronomers have watched, filmed and photographed the sky every night all over the world for many decades and yet never seem to see a damn thing that they can't explain.

Because they're in on it of course.:)

[jond]

In the absolutely horrifyingly woo book "The Field" by Lynne McTaggart, we are treated to the story of Ed Mitchell's successful ESP tests carried out in secret while on Apollo 14. No documentation, of course. So he's into aliens too? OK, now we know astronauts aren't infallible.

[FramerDave]

Well, one would first have to take them seriously before that process could start. Name me a significant number of incidents where the news media has treated these reports with anything beyond the standard ridicule and disbelief?

Every episode of Larry King Live, ever.

If that's not enough please define "significant number."

[Civilized Worm]

Why should we believe anything coming from someone who lied about going to the moon?

[AliasN]

OK, now we know astronauts aren't infallible.
Uh, I'm pretty sure we already knew that from the diaper-wearing stalker-naut (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8N4BF1G0&show_article=1) incident, no?

[applecorped]

Uh, I'm pretty sure we already knew that from the diaper-wearing stalker-naut (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8N4BF1G0&show_article=1) incident, no?

It was just a bad day, cut her some slack.

[Skeptic Guy]

Here's a video from MSNBC with Dr. Mitchell.

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=&vid=21519101-a5c8-4f9d-827a-d07a3e25f15f (http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=&vid=21519101-a5c8-4f9d-827a-d07a3e25f15f)

[aggle-rithm]

In the absolutely horrifyingly woo book "The Field" by Lynne McTaggart, we are treated to the story of Ed Mitchell's successful ESP tests carried out in secret while on Apollo 14. No documentation, of course. So he's into aliens too? OK, now we know astronauts aren't infallible.

I believe Randi talked about the same thing in "Flim-Flam". Parapsychologists tried to salvage something from Mitchell's spectacular failure on these tests by saying that he performed far more badly than mere chance could explain; therefore, something paranormal was happening.

[The Heretic]

Edgar has always been deeply into the paranormal. He used to conduct ESP experiments from space with his friends down on earth on NASA missions to the moon. He also walked on the moon for 9 hours during the Apollo 14 mission. Mitchell founded the Institute of Noetic Sciences to research things such as psychic phenomenon. Of course he believes aliens are visiting the earth.

[ConspiRaider]

The late Gordon Cooper, one of the Mercury 7, also believed in the UFOs and the aliens. I actually didn't know that when I bought his book, Leap Of Faith. But it became clear as he started making mention of it. Kinda ruined it for me, don't even think I finished the book.

I hate how Hollywood promotes paranormal activity, especially in a movie that documents actual space program events. Like the flick, The Right Stuff. Everything was fine, until the "fireflies" puzzle was revealed by astronauts. What looked like fireflies appeared around the capsule during the Earth orbits. For awhile, unexplained. So of course in the movie, Hollywood dramatizes that the fireflies were burning sparks floating up from aboriginal fires in Australia. Of course. And somehow they never mentioned that the fireflies' origin was finally revealed by Scott Carpenter (who followed Glenn) during Carpenter's erratic spaceflight (frost particles on the outside of the capsule being dislodged).

[lionking]

How likely is it that Aliens actully have been here?

I remember my old physics teacher told me and my class that Aliens will probably never come to us and we will never get to them. Because of vast distance between us.
If aliens could somehow manage near-light speed travel, they could reach us quite easily. But the energy to do so would be unimaginably high. So to use up resources like this just to abduct middle-aged American farm hands is just a trifle puzzelling.;)

[Aepervius]

Actually the TRUE reason they will never contact us is this :
We are meat (http://www.terrybisson.com/meat.html)

[maxfrost]

I have a cousin who claims to have been abducted by aliens--twice, as a matter of fact. When his brother told me this news, I was a bit perplexed. I mean, my cousin is, well, less then normal, so once is suprising enough, but a second time? And then it dawned on me. The first time they forgot to tag his ear.

[CurtC]

If aliens could somehow manage near-light speed travel, they could reach us quite easily. But the energy to do so would be unimaginably high.

I like to think of it the other way around - let's say we really really really wanted to explore the galaxy and look for other life. How do you go about it? There are a few hundred billion stars in our galaxy, most of them so far away that even at near-light speed, the people still waiting patiently on Earth to hear the results will be waiting for thousands and thousands of years. And you'd have to slow down at each star to check it out. Let's say you spend three days for each star, and manage to find some other life worth noting after having visited only 10% of the galaxy - it still would take a couple hundred million years to do this (and these are years in the reference frame of the ship occupants, looking at one star every three days).

[Stellafane]

...IF the American government, or any government for that matter, came forth and openly admitted, that they were not the 'ultimate power', and that something was 'more capable' then them...what would the result be?

I'd say the results would be pretty much as they are right now, because the situation you describe is in fact happening. Look at how many governments actually promote the existence of an "ultimate power" that is far "more capable" than they. In fact, those governments often insist they are merely carrying out the wishes of that ultimate power.

[ksbluesfan]

Even travelling at the speed of light, it's not likely that space travel will be practical. It takes time to reach that speed, and time to slow down. The nearest exoplanet is 10.5 light years away, and we're pretty sure it is uninhabitable. The most likely exoplanet with life is Gliese 581d, which is 20 light years away.

Why would aliens come here? It might make sense to travel here if their planet was dying, but the goal would be for survival of their species, and that doesn't seem to be the case. For all other purposes, it would make more sense to communicate with us, wouldn't it?

[Limbo]

The UFO phenomena is a real phenomena, however...

"One theory which can no longer be taken very seriously is that UFOs are interstellar spaceships." - Arthur C. Clarke

[The Heretic]

Here is a complete list of NASA astronauts who have either claim to see a UFO or claim that aliens have visited earth.......

UFO Sightings by NASA Astronauts (http://www.syti.net/UFOSightings.html)

[Notrump]

Edgar Mitchell has been well known as a woo before, during and after his experience as an astronaut. He has long been a leader in the new age, spiritualism, mysticism, ufology, and remote healing movement. During his Moon trip he conducted private ESP experiments with friends. In 1973 he founded the Institute of Noetic Sciences which focuses on the paranormal.

Mitchell needs to present evidence, not hearsay regarding extraterrestrial visitations. Even when presenting hearsay, he should at least name his sources. Someone with a doctorate should know better. Having been an astronaut does not make him an authority. Science respects evidence tied to rational explanations, not the pronouncements of alleged authorities. Courts and congressional committees also require high levels of proof, although not quite to the level of science. Unfortunately, credulous members of the public will automatically accept many unfounded claims that simply sound cool, comforting or even scary.

Mitchell needs to explain how and why all governments (he did use the plural) and private research facilities have conspired to keep extraterrestrial visitations a secret for over sixty years. His claim that there is a “cabal of insiders” within the US government that has kept their findings secret from every president after Kennedy is ludicrous. To whom do they report? Who hires them? How are they paid? How has this cabal maintained itself for generations? And if Mitchell knows so much about them, he should tell us who they are.

It is not incumbent upon NASA or anyone else to prove that UFOs are not ET spacecraft. Negatives cannot be proven. No one can prove that fairies, ghosts or leprechauns do not exist. Mitchell and the ET spacecraft believers with which he has been long associated need to present solid evidence, and not the kind of stuff that members of his fraternity will quickly cheer and say they knew it all along. He says he is not afraid of government retribution, so let’s see him develop a proper argument in the manner of a grownup with academic credentials.

[UnrepentantSinner]

At a woo forum I visit, one of the woos said that Mitchell can't remember walking on the moon. Another woo said that that is because we never went to the moon. Delusion or senility doesn't exist in wooland.

Richard Hoagland's been claiming the moon walkers had their memories scrubbed so they wouldn't remember the alien ruins/artifacts that they found there. He also claims that's why Armstrong has been a virtual recluse.

The mass media is staffed with BA graduates who became scared of science in high school.

There are a lot of BA holders on this forum as well. :mad:

[Orphia Nay]

Came across this article today which I thought was refreshingly realistic coming from UFO researchers:

http://www.bigpond.com/news/technology/content/20080801/2321687.asp

"A former NASA astronaut stunned the scientific world and divided UFO watchers when he claimed last week that UFOs and aliens do exist.

[...]

But UFO believers says these revelations may have done their cause more harm than good.

Keith Basterfield is co-director of the Australian UFO research network and is author of several books on UFO sightings in Australia.

He says he believes Dr Mitchell may have damaged the work of serious scientific researchers into UFOs due to the former astronaut's broad claims and his inability to source what he's presenting as fact.

[...]"

[grayman]

Some good ol' boys take on Dr, Mitchell:

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[Orphia Nay]

:D Thanks for that, grayman.

"If somebody who's been to space says there's aliens, I'm gonna listen to them."

"Oh, hell - before they shot people up in space they shot monkeys up there. What you gonna do - sit around and listen to a monkey talk to you too?"

:big:

[UnrepentantSinner]

Any of you guys heard of Ed Grimsley? He's on C2C right now talking about how he sees UFOs - including battles between them - using military grade night vision goggles (I think he said PVS-7s). The most interesting part of his story is that while he claims to have been able to see them since he was a teenager, no one else will be able to see them unless they have advanced night vision equipment (not even VietNam era starlight scopes, or other earlier goggles will see them).

I'm really getting a Billy Meier smell from this guy.

I think the said his website is edgrimsley.com but I didn't write down the spelling so I could be off a few letters.

[grayman]

I thought you meant Ed Grimley which would be like totally mental I must say.

xLaydNNR44A

[Gord_in_Toronto]

<snip>

There are a lot of BA holders on this forum as well. :mad:

Those did not become scared of science in high school or came to it later.

:D

[UnrepentantSinner]

I thought you meant Ed Grimley which would be like totally mental I must say.

Two words.. Pat Sajack.

When I was checking Youtube, there were a few but as I was filling in the searchbox the suggestions popped up a number of permutations on Grimley.

Those did not become scared of science in high school or came to it later.

:D

Point taken. :)

[TheLoneBedouin]

At a woo forum I visit, one of the woos said that Mitchell can't remember walking on the moon. Another woo said that that is because we never went to the moon. Delusion or senility doesn't exist in wooland.
Think G-d for Jref for bringing reality to the Woos.
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/2618448968d1adc2f1.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=13309)

[King of the Americas]

The late Gordon Cooper, one of the Mercury 7, also believed in the UFOs and the aliens. I actually didn't know that when I bought his book, Leap Of Faith. But it became clear as he started making mention of it. Kinda ruined it for me, don't even think I finished the book.

I hate how Hollywood promotes paranormal activity, especially in a movie that documents actual space program events. Like the flick, The Right Stuff. Everything was fine, until the "fireflies" puzzle was revealed by astronauts. What looked like fireflies appeared around the capsule during the Earth orbits. For awhile, unexplained. So of course in the movie, Hollywood dramatizes that the fireflies were burning sparks floating up from aboriginal fires in Australia. Of course. And somehow they never mentioned that the fireflies' origin was finally revealed by Scott Carpenter (who followed Glenn) during Carpenter's erratic spaceflight (frost particles on the outside of the capsule being dislodged).

Is it me, or did you 'equate' "Hollywood" with Mercury astronaut- Gordon Cooper, as though they were and the same?

An astronaut who writes about he things he saw, while in space, that "you don't believe in", ruined it for you???

And what does that say about, you exactly?

Perhaps, that you don't enjoy being challenged, or confronted with evidence contrary to what you already believe???

I hope you don't also call yourself a skeptic or a scientist...

[King of the Americas]

The UFO phenomena is a real phenomena, however...

"One theory which can no longer be taken very seriously is that UFOs are interstellar spaceships." - Arthur C. Clarke

U.F.O.'s didn't come 'from' anywhere. They have ALWAYS been here, and this fact has been perserved throughout the ages, in every form of media one might request.

To escape our investigating eyes, they need only travel to the dark side of the moon, or the bottom of one of our oceans...neither of which is 'impossible'.

That it would be close to impossible to travel intersteller distances has NOTHING to do with the reality of U.F.O.'s in our skies.

[King of the Americas]

Edgar Mitchell has been well known as a woo before, during and after his experience as an astronaut. He has long been a leader in the new age, spiritualism, mysticism, ufology, and remote healing movement. During his Moon trip he conducted private ESP experiments with friends. In 1973 he founded the Institute of Noetic Sciences which focuses on the paranormal.

Mitchell needs to present evidence, not hearsay regarding extraterrestrial visitations. Even when presenting hearsay, he should at least name his sources. Someone with a doctorate should know better. Having been an astronaut does not make him an authority. Science respects evidence tied to rational explanations, not the pronouncements of alleged authorities. Courts and congressional committees also require high levels of proof, although not quite to the level of science. Unfortunately, credulous members of the public will automatically accept many unfounded claims that simply sound cool, comforting or even scary.

Mitchell needs to explain how and why all governments (he did use the plural) and private research facilities have conspired to keep extraterrestrial visitations a secret for over sixty years. His claim that there is a “cabal of insiders” within the US government that has kept their findings secret from every president after Kennedy is ludicrous. To whom do they report? Who hires them? How are they paid? How has this cabal maintained itself for generations? And if Mitchell knows so much about them, he should tell us who they are.

It is not incumbent upon NASA or anyone else to prove that UFOs are not ET spacecraft. Negatives cannot be proven. No one can prove that fairies, ghosts or leprechauns do not exist. Mitchell and the ET spacecraft believers with which he has been long associated need to present solid evidence, and not the kind of stuff that members of his fraternity will quickly cheer and say they knew it all along. He says he is not afraid of government retribution, so let’s see him develop a proper argument in the manner of a grownup with academic credentials.

DO tell, what 'evidence' could a singular astronaut collect, copy, and distribute, that NASA doesn't already have???

I mean, he isn't the first of his kind to make such claims. But do you think NASA would just turn over mission logs, or comm chatter of a specific event or sighting, readily or easily?

What we have an actualy history of, is government agencies 'refusing' to release evidence, and them being 'forced' to give up bits and pieces through the Freedom of Information Act...

To date, I don't think NASA has an official stance toward non-human piloted U.F.O.'s.

But CLEARLY, I wouldn't call them or their actions 'forthcoming' or 'outright', as to evidence of the claims made by their personel.

[Jesus Baby Daddy]

[QUOTE=King of the Americas;3959601]
To escape our investigating eyes, they need only travel to the dark side of the moon, or the bottom of one of our oceans...neither of which is 'impossible'.
[QUOTE]

... OR Behind the Giant Teapot!
:covereyes

[dudalb]

And the conspiracy kooks claim the astronauts got past the Van Allen belt unscathed.

Clearly not.


Guess the Van Allen belt works differently for different people. Made Mitchell a Kook, But Gave, Reed Richards, Sue Storm, Johnny Storm, and Ben Grimm superpowers. Although is also gave Grimm a real bad case of Acne:D


And I can't resist this smiley for this thread:

:alien011:

[Roadtoad]

Too bad there isn't a smiley for anal probing...

[applecorped]

Too bad there isn't a smiley for anal probing...

That would be a frowney.