Astrology as a God decree, Million Dollar Challenge

[rsaavedra]

Can you see that this is a fair and unambiguous test of whether astrology works?
I insist on disagreeing with this.

Giving the benefit of the doubt to Astrology, even if Astrology worked that test could fail most of the time, because it would only be a test of how a particular astrologer interprets and communicates her interpretations --> it's subject to plain old malpractice. Other astrologers could always claim the methods used by this tested astrologer were wrong or inadequate.

On the other hand, a test like the ER trauma records correlated with specific planetary aspects would test some of the basic principles of Astrology, independently of any particular astrologer.

[Pixel42]

I insist on disagreeing with this
You make good points, my wording was sloppy. I really meant that this was a fair test of individual astrologers' claimed abilities, in contrast to the kind of thing astroman appears to consider a fair test of his claimed ability, i.e. being able to retrofit data and get people to agree that "the things I do in public with astrology" are impressive.

[Garrette]

Oy, please, please don't throw around astrological lingo until you prove you can predict things.Which astrologers have proven they can predict things?

[Loss Leader]

Monday Jan. 31 2000, Six days after my daughter was born ...


Astroman - Do you realize that we cannot accept anything you say about your daughter as evidence of anything? We have no reason to believe that the events in you daughter's life actually happened or that you didn't just make up her birthday. We have no reason to believe that she even exists.

On top of that, you are still retrofitting. After certain events have happened, you read your ephemera and tell us that astrology shows they were likely to happen. This is exactly the same as me going to a bookie and trying to place a bet on last night's game.

Do you understand any of this? You've never given any indication that you comprehend these concepts.


What I want to know is what kind of father leaves his children with their mother when he knows (astrology tells him in advance right) that she will abuse the children?


This post goes too far. There's a difference between a debate about astrology and questioning someone's parenting. I find this post reprehensibly vile.


On the other hand, a test like the ER trauma records correlated with specific planetary aspects would test some of the basic principles of Astrology, independently of any particular astrologer.


That would be true only if there were certain objectively agreed-upon astrological principles. Otherwise, you are still relying on one astrologer to say that in some specific case, some alignment of planets means something. Then, as you said, any other astrologer could come by and say, "No, he was wrong. The planets don't mean that at all." It's the same problem.

[astroman818]

Sorry but I will have to give it to you in pieces because I am with my daughter right now and have very little time. But I did show you how to do the timing of anything last time. Every planet has a meaning or a few parts of life they are connected to.

By all means it is not exact nor do the meanings pin point. If you go at it thinking it is just slightly ofset to make sure we can't pin point the exact day of things. On my friend Mike the other night we got out the book and with his birthday and his mothers birthday I got 3 of his grand parents death times but I was off 3 months on all three. So It is not perfect on the exact date. but it puts you right next to the event and in some parts of astrology it does do the date exactly. I will teach you where that is next.

[astroman818]

I don't even have time to read over all the stuff here but I did see some one doubting my honesty. I am an Aries and have never had a Job in my life because of my integrity. My family does have vast oil and gas. Go to Charco TX. on Google maps. You will see Johnson road. My great Grandfather Charles Johnson left a large Farm to my Father. With all the mineral rights. The Gas well at the end of Johnson road makes $225,000 a month. Sad we don't own it but yes it is there and you can see it if you look. I billion was an estimate when prices were 60 % of today. Maybe the readers here can pick a charity for your 1,000.00 check.

[Pixel42]

I will teach you where that is next.
Please don't. Nobody gives a toss, until you have shown that it works by using it to pass a test like the one currently being undertaken by Mareena.

I'm sure producing ten readings will take much less of your time than explaining all this stuff to us, and it will prove that you are serious about the challenge as well as that your methodology works. So are you going to do it, or not? If not, there's really no point in you continuing to post here.

[Piggy]

Every planet has a meaning or a few parts of life they are connected to.

Then make some valid predictions.

No one here is impressed if you look at the past, then look at your planets, and come up with reasons why there's a connection.

Anyone can do that with anything. It means nothing.

You need to make new concrete predictions that come true at a better rate than guessing.

As you've been told repeatedly.

[wahrheit]

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As you've been told repeatedly.

That's a nice way of putting it.

[rsaavedra]

That would be true only if there were certain objectively agreed-upon astrological principles. Otherwise, you are still relying on one astrologer to say that in some specific case, some alignment of planets means something. Then, as you said, any other astrologer could come by and say, "No, he was wrong. The planets don't mean that at all." It's the same problem.
Well it's the same problem, but I think to a much lesser extent. Because there are (I believe) some general agreed-upon astrological principles. What planets means, what houses and signs "rule", or what they are ruled by, what some transits can do or facilitate on houses and planets, etc. The hard Mars-Saturn transits I believe fall under this category of little disagreement among astrologers. I've read about it in a few different astrological sources.

But the point is well taken. In case there is strong enough disagreement, there could be a sort of request to some international association of Astrologers (or something like that if it exists) to list the more agreed upon transits in astrology and their specific scopes of predictive effect. Then the problem would have been taken care of a bit more formally, and statictics of large number of people could be tested against their transits.

Such explicit agreement shouldn't be too difficult for astrologers to achieve; otherwise astrologers themselves would be making the woo case even stronger, and without the help of skeptics.


PS. Now what astrologer is going to predict the creation of the ASFG (Astrology Standards Focus Group) within ISO (http://www.iso.org/iso/home.htm) ? ;)

[Lanzy]

Reading through this has me convinced your particular brand of Astrology does not even pretend to do much. It can tell us why something happened? But not what WILL happen? How can this help anyone? I have always been able to tell a bad decision from a good one given a little time.

[Piggy]

I propose a woo-off with astroman.

He'll explain things that happened by reading the positions of the stars.

I'll explain things that happened by reading the positions of turds in a litter box.

We'll see if astrology has greater explanatory power than turdology.

(Yes, I'm serious.)

[Jackalgirl]

Astroman --

You failed.

[fromdownunder]

Since Astroman has said above that he is not reading any of the posts that others make, I have decided to reciprocate. Mate, you are losing your audience fast.

Norm

[Jackalgirl]

Howdy, FDU --

If that's the case -- and it sure looks like it is -- then I think the best thing for us to do is to simply stop responding to him. Let's not feed his problem.

[EHocking]

...My family does have vast oil and gas. Go to Charco TX. on Google maps. You will see Johnson road. My great Grandfather Charles Johnson left a large Farm to my Father. With all the mineral rights. The Gas well at the end of Johnson road makes $225,000 a month. Sad we don't own it but yes it is there and you can see it if you look. I billion was an estimate when prices were 60 % of today. Maybe the readers here can pick a charity for your 1,000.00 check.
So the evidence that you are a billionaire is that there is a gas well on your father's property that you don't own? :boggled:

No wonder astrology works for you, with that sort of logic. :eye-poppi

[Loss Leader]

So the evidence that you are a billionaire is that there is a gas well on your father's property that you don't own?


No, there's no well on the property. There's a well at the end of the road on someone else's property that makes money. Thus, he just suspects that a if there were a well on his father's property, it would reveal natural gas with some value.

And this is only if we choose to take his unverified word.

[Pixel42]

Bumped for the edification of rudeboy.

[astroman818]

I have been gone from here for a while. Thinking and rethinking all that went on here. I have been trying to find a university that will even hear my theories. Anyone have a clue who would?

[Mashuna]

I have been gone from here for a while. Thinking and rethinking all that went on here. I have been trying to find a university that will even hear my theories. Anyone have a clue who would?

I'm sure you could find plenty of people at a university who need a good laugh. If you want your theories to be taken seriously, I think you might struggle.

[Czarcasm]

I have been gone from here for a while. Thinking and rethinking all that went on here. I have been trying to find a university that will even hear my theories. Anyone have a clue who would?http://www.jeffraz.com/conservatory/classes.html
http://www.mcdonalds.com/usa/work/burgeru.html

[astroman818]

Well I came back here hoping to find a thinker or two. But it seems the thinkers are stuck on stupid again. What is it about the internet that allows people the freedom to put others down in an anonymous way. You have no Idea what my work is about. You have spent 3 seconds understanding astrology and you all seem to have a PHD in it. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't running your life. I don't know how to split atoms but I have seen what the bomb does. I left here with many thoughts. Calling me a moron one more time is not making any of you look like thinkers to me. I walk up to people randomly every day. I can see the day they were born. The day! often. Picking three people in a row, their exact birthday, has a probability of one in 48 million. Lets talk intelligently. Is that chance if I do that. I have done that many times. There is so much more. But I don't think this is the place to discuss it. I need a University, not another critical thinker that puts no thinking into their points of view. If I know nothing about something I make sure not to talk about it in public like I do. I am intelligent enough to know not to do that. Big mac university is not going to help me. They have added this requirement and I am having a hard time finding one to spend a minute with me. If any of you want to learn something about astrology and not just put it down blindly here is my number 818-787-8111. I gave it out before and I am more than willing to help you understand it. So before another person puts me down here, call me and I will show you what I am doing. This is a thinkers blog. Not a place for rude narrow minded people.

[EHocking]

... I walk up to people randomly every day. I can see the day they were born. The day! often.Please supply documentary evidence of this claim. Picking three people in a row, their exact birthday, has a probability of one in 48 million.Please show the calculations for this probability.

[astroman818]

365 to a factor of 3. 365 times 365 is 133,225. Then times that by 365, you get 48,627,125.

[ddt]

Well I came back here hoping to find a thinker or two. But it seems the thinkers are stuck on stupid again. What is it about the internet that allows people the freedom to put others down in an anonymous way. You have no Idea what my work is about. You have spent 3 seconds understanding astrology and you all seem to have a PHD in it.
jackalgirl ran a blinded test according to your own claims of what you could predict and you failed - miserably. What more is there to say? All your grandstanding and your poo-pooing amounts to nothing.


I walk up to people randomly every day. I can see the day they were born. The day! often.
Confirmation bias.


Picking three people in a row, their exact birthday, has a probability of one in 48 million. Lets talk intelligently. Is that chance if I do that. I have done that many times.
Prove it. Here. Can you see the birthday of the next three posters?

[astroman818]

I am not good at picking men birthdays. I don't study men that much. Sometimes I am wrong, I don't see it. But it is pretty easy to see what sign of the 12 most women are. Then it is deduction. I look at many factors. It is a guess but a very educated one. Just eye color alone is a big clue. Body type, hair color, noses. I look at many things. It is fun to see the look on their faces when you have given them their exact birthday. Kind of like a deer in the headlights. I have spent 17 years working on this. Not like the other PHD's here. I did my homework. Cancer and Capricorn are the most predominant in the way we look. If the gene to have Blue eyes is present, they will show the eye color. Almost half the birthdays in a given year have Cancer or Capricorn in them in a well placed position. So half the Swedish women have blue eyes or green. I am just barely touching on the vast knowledge that is here. This is not a great place to go over it. I can give you so little here. When there is so much to give.

[kitakaze]

Well I came back here hoping to find a thinker or two. But it seems the thinkers are stuck on stupid again. What is it about the internet that allows people the freedom to put others down in an anonymous way. You have no Idea what my work is about. You have spent 3 seconds understanding astrology and you all seem to have a PHD in it. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't running your life. I don't know how to split atoms but I have seen what the bomb does. I left here with many thoughts. Calling me a moron one more time is not making any of you look like thinkers to me. I walk up to people randomly every day. I can see the day they were born. The day! often. Picking three people in a row, their exact birthday, has a probability of one in 48 million. Lets talk intelligently. Is that chance if I do that. I have done that many times. There is so much more. But I don't think this is the place to discuss it. I need a University, not another critical thinker that puts no thinking into their points of view. If I know nothing about something I make sure not to talk about it in public like I do. I am intelligent enough to know not to do that. Big mac university is not going to help me. They have added this requirement and I am having a hard time finding one to spend a minute with me. If any of you want to learn something about astrology and not just put it down blindly here is my number 818-787-8111. I gave it out before and I am more than willing to help you understand it. So before another person puts me down here, call me and I will show you what I am doing. This is a thinkers blog. Not a place for rude narrow minded people.

Hi, astroman818. I've never posted in your thread, called you a moron, or even heard of you. I had a co-worker who was professional astrologer a few years ago. By professional I mean she was licensed by some type of organizational body for astrology and she did it as a means of income. I would like to know more about astrology. I live in Japan so I won't be calling you on the phone. Even if I didn't live on the other side of the planet I wouldn't call you because quite simply, you could be looney tunes and I wouldn't want you to have my number.

BTW, I appreciate your sincerity but for protection against other people who might be looney tunes, I think giving out your phone number on the internet for all to see is a very bad idea.

I look forward to your response.

[William Smith]

I have been gone from here for a while. Thinking and rethinking all that went on here. I have been trying to find a university that will even hear my theories. Anyone have a clue who would?

I do not really have a clue.

I would like to know how you approach said universities, e.g. have a peek at the forms you send in, the letter, etc. Care to elaborate?

[kitakaze]

I am not good at picking men birthdays. I don't study men that much.

Why is that? I mean, why are you not good? What inherent quality of the male gender interferes with these abilities you describe? Just curious.

If the gene to have Blue eyes is present, they will show the eye color.

Would that not mean if one of my parents had blue eyes, I then would also have blue eyes? That doesn't seem right to me.

[astroman818]

I am not a Psychic. I am a person that has done research. Tons of it. The Marriage dates that I claimed to be able to predict. I went at that one with my eyes shut. I have even defined that much differently since I was here last. If I had called out the cycles of every person. There moons in progression lasting 6.5 years. Starting with a Cardinal moon. Aries Libra Cancer and Capricorn. Most all of us begin these cycles and fall in love. Go back and you will see that most of them got married in the beginning of the cycle. Life is choices. So we all don't do things on a program. But most of us do. All I need to be is right most of the time. 51 % or better.

[astroman818]

I am a man and it is much harder to walk up to men and start a conversation about their birthday. they think I am gay or hitting on them. Women are so much easier to approach. Also they show their hair color and features so much better than men. Kind of like the male female bird thing. But the opposite. Our females show all the fancy colors and beauty.

[Mashuna]

And yet the one piece of actual evidence that we have, the one test you agreed to and completed here, was a miserable failure. Now you're coming back with excuses and more stories.

[MRC_Hans]

I am not a Psychic. I am a person that has done research. Tons of it. The Marriage dates that I claimed to be able to predict. I went at that one with my eyes shut. I have even defined that much differently since I was here last. If I had called out the cycles of every person. There moons in progression lasting 6.5 years. Starting with a Cardinal moon. Aries Libra Cancer and Capricorn. Most all of us begin these cycles and fall in love. Go back and you will see that most of them got married in the beginning of the cycle. Life is choices. So we all don't do things on a program. But most of us do. All I need to be is right most of the time. 51 % or better.IMHO, you talk way too much and prove way too little.

However, I have a bit of advice for you: Reading your posts, I get the idea that you take data, find patterns and call that research. You claim that the patterns you observe are some kind of rules. However, you can find patterns in any set of data.

Hans

[William Smith]

I am not a Psychic. I am a person that has done research. Tons of it. The Marriage dates that I claimed to be able to predict. I went at that one with my eyes shut.
...

Great.

Let's start from there: Propose another test of your claimed ability. One that can be done online with other members of this forum. You could try this one with open eyes.



Let me restate one thing: I think astrology has been proven ad nauseam to be an arbitrary and inconclusive science. Should you be able to provide evidence for the opposite, you will have the majority of this forum on your side. Stories and excuses will not convince anyone. Not even the female posters.

[astroman818]

My father has green eyes, my mother has green eyed sisters. I have dark eyes. I am an Aries. My Cancer son has green blue eyes. Cancer and Capricorn give us the blue. I met a Cancer woman yesterday. She never married. I knew a woman born 3 days before her. So I knew her birthday by heart. I did her Cardinal moon progression. Leo moon at birth so back to Leo moon at 27 years old. So Cancer moon was 25 years old. So go six years in every direction.19, 25, 31, 37. These were the times she fell in love. She lived with the guy at 31. She turns 37 this year. She just ended a relationship in Jan. She is at the end of the six year cycle. low point is May this year. Four months before the low point she ends it. I am just saying that there are cycles and we are all effected by them to some degree. If you could see many people and how this goes in their lives you would see what I see. Not everyone is on this we all come at life differently. But some of us are so on the mark it is weird. So why is the Leo moon keeping this poor woman alone? That is the point, we are all motivated differently. Some of us are very independent. Programed to never marry at birth. Some get married at 18 and stay forever with one person. My mother is 56 years married to my father. She was 22 when they got married.

[astroman818]

I am open to further tests of my ability. Can we keep this as adult as possible. I am 48 years old this month and grade school was a long time ago. Can we all behave, while I am trying to explain myself here. Astrology is running our lives, I just may not be explaining it perfectly at all times. Bare with me while I try.

[kitakaze]

My father has green eyes, my mother has green eyed sisters. I have dark eyes. I am an Aries. My Cancer son has green blue eyes. Cancer and Capricorn give us the blue. I met a Cancer woman yesterday. She never married. I knew a woman born 3 days before her. So I knew her birthday by heart. I did her Cardinal moon progression. Leo moon at birth so back to Leo moon at 27 years old. So Cancer moon was 25 years old. So go six years in every direction.19, 25, 31, 37. These were the times she fell in love. She lived with the guy at 31. She turns 37 this year. She just ended a relationship in Jan. She is at the end of the six year cycle. low point is May this year. Four months before the low point she ends it. I am just saying that there are cycles and we are all effected by them to some degree. If you could see many people and how this goes in their lives you would see what I see. Not everyone is on this we all come at life differently. But some of us are so on the mark it is weird. So why is the Leo moon keeping this poor woman alone? That is the point, we are all motivated differently. Some of us are very independent. Programed to never marry at birth. Some get married at 18 and stay forever with one person. My mother is 56 years married to my father. She was 22 when they got married.

No offence, astroman, but as I know very little about astrology, that all sound like gobbledy-gook to me. I can make neither heads nor tales of it. With the knowledge and abilities that your study of astrology has given you, what can you tell me about myself? This is very intriguing and I'd like to know more, thanks.

[kitakaze]

I am open to further tests of my ability. Can we keep this as adult as possible. I am 48 years old this month and grade school was a long time ago. Can we all behave, while I am trying to explain myself here. Astrology is running our lives, I just may not be explaining it perfectly at all times. Bare with me while I try.

Yes, I understand. You can't articulate everything perfectly all the time. Neither can I. I would like to know how astrology is running my life. It's intriguing. I will bear with you.

[kitakaze]

I am a man and it is much harder to walk up to men and start a conversation about their birthday. they think I am gay or hitting on them. Women are so much easier to approach. Also they show their hair color and features so much better than men. Kind of like the male female bird thing. But the opposite. Our females show all the fancy colors and beauty.

I understand. It's a gender difference. Now you said you are not good at picking men's birthdays? What information do you need? Also, don't women colour their hair and alter facial features with makeup thereby obscuring the the information you seek?

[dafydd]

I understand that this is not where I will win the prize and I just went through the rules again. I really don't have the time to get into this till later tonight 10 pm pst I live in California, but believe me you are going to all learn something if you stay with me.

I'll bet one million dollars that we will never learn anything from you.

[dafydd]

I take a birthday like Oct. 3 rd and I progress it. By adding a day to their birthday for every year they have been alive. So 1970 means they are 38 years old this year. Then I add 38 days to the birthday this takes me to Nov. 10 1970. Then I read what it says about this year of that persons life. The moon is what changes the fastest, about every two days. I have every sign as commitment or non committal. Aries Libra Scorpio Taurus Capricorn and Cancer are commitment signs. The others non committal. Scorpio Taurus Capricorn and Cancer are the Marriage moons.

I met a woman in the parking lot today. She had many tattoos. I know that only someone with Cancer or Capricorn in their birthday would do this. So I asked her birthday. She told me her Moon was in cancer. So I took it from there. I did the fast math and said at 27 years old she is back to Cancer moon. She was 30 years old. The moon is a 27 day cycle.

So lets look at what happened her commitment cycle is as follows at 21 she goes into Aries moon at 23 and a half she goes into Taurus moon at 24 she got married I told her that she Married at 24. i also told her that she cheated on him and the relationship ended at 26 when she went into Gemini moon. She told me she cheated with a Gemini man and that is in fact when it ended. I did all of this without a book just simple Math.

As for Oct 3 1970 The big commitment times were Cancer moon at 17 to 18 years old, 25 to 28 for Libra and Scorpio moon, 31 to 33 for Capricorn moon, they are just entering Aries moon this year. Life is still a choice and some people marry when it is not the tiem for this but most of us do it when we feel the need to be with some one.

The Cardinal moon times are the beginning of the cycle and the end is the mutable moon.
If you want a fast answer to all of this you need to leave now, this is going to take some time. I have 500 times this much to share.

Gibberish.

[astroman818]

The big problem is I have to take into account the factors that make every person. There are seven visible things in the sky that make up our basic astrology. sun moon mercury venus mars jupiter saturn. There is a break in the planets at the asteroid belt. A missing planet. This defines what makes you up sun to mars and jupiter and saturn are what effect you. So we are one in 30 degrees of sun moon mercury venus and mars. We also have a rising sign. So six factors of 30. 30 times 30 is 900, 27,000, 810,000, 24,300,000. I don't work much with rising signs. So lets say that just at 5 things we are one in 24,300,000 possible personalities. This makes all of us so different. How we look at life. My job as an astrologer is to figure out who you are out of the 24 million and then I begin to move forward in your life. Check the cycles of your moon as it changes. You will do things. Your sun changes every five years. I just go to all the changes. If I can size you up as a person good enough I can start to see what you did when the changes hit you. Like the woman yesterday. July 13 was her birthday. In 1972 the sun goes to leo on the 23 rd. So she is ten years old when she becomes a Leo. So go every 5 years from there. 20, 25, 30, 35. Take off six months from every one of those years and you find her move here from georgia to california. In Jan.

[Pixel42]

It is fun to see the look on their faces when you have given them their exact birthday. Kind of like a deer in the headlights.
How did you confirm that the birthdays you gave them were correct? Did they show you their driving licence or something to confirm it?

The reason I ask is because if a strange man came up to me and told me when he thought my birthday was I would probably also get that "deer in the headlights" look and agree that he was right, even if he was completely wrong. I would then make an excuse and leave.

[astroman818]

I am not Insane. I am trying in a forum to explain something that is going to take years for any of you to understand. Imagine if I was explaining how to split an atom. I would be laughed at for my theories. They thought the theory of relativity was insane till they proved it on an eclipse. I will have my day to prove this. Get your check book ready. My name is Mark Du Boise. So can I add your million to the 2.4 that is already out there?

[dafydd]

So I am a total moron and should go into the litter box for my lunch, just because a bunch of people who have spent 5 minutes all together as a group studying astrology say all hope of ever proving astrology is lost. Come on people. I thought I would find some some form of intelligent life here.

So when I was at Wall Mart the other night and a girl walked up to me and I told here she was a Sagittarius then I said to her Nov 24 th and she said No nov 23 rd that makes me a moron. I have done that a 1000 times. I get it dead on just by looking at people often. Its a one in 365 chance I get within one day often. But I can not do that because astrology was proven wrong by some person who didn't even know what they were doing in the first place.

I believe that as astrology has been presented to all of you it is false but how do I bring you all up to speed?

I have been here for one day, I can't count the amount of people that have told me I am full of it and all hope is lost in proving anything. Do I get a chance to speak? Can you try to keep your minds open. I have much better things to do than reply to ignorance. YOU ALL ARE JUST AS BAD IF NOT WORSE THAN THE PEOPLE YOU ARE TRYING TO DISCLAIM.

You can move me to the fantasy section of the forum. I know it works. I am looking for intelligence. Is there any of that here?

I asked someone to call me and all of you are afraid to do so. Are you scared I might be right and you will have to come back here and admit it to the people here? I am still here.

I am still making the same claims. I need someone who is willing to call me. I don't bite!!

Links have been provided to people who have spent more than 5 minutes studying astrology. Why don't you read them? Your remarks about intelligence are very insulting. My IQ is 146.What's yours?

[Pixel42]

I am not Insane.
Did someone suggest you were?

You have convinced yourself of something that is almost certainly not true. That is not a symptom of insanity. If it was, we would have to commit the majority of the population. :)

So are you going to answer my question? How did you check when the birthdays of the people actually were? Have you kept a record of every birthday you guessed and the (verified) actual birthdays (whether you were correct or not) so you can tell us what your hit rate was, and we can calculate the odds of it being within chance?

[dafydd]

The big problem is I have to take into account the factors that make every person. There are seven visible things in the sky that make up our basic astrology. sun moon mercury venus mars jupiter saturn. There is a break in the planets at the asteroid belt. A missing planet. This defines what makes you up sun to mars and jupiter and saturn are what effect you. So we are one in 30 degrees of sun moon mercury venus and mars. We also have a rising sign. So six factors of 30. 30 times 30 is 900, 27,000, 810,000, 24,300,000. I don't work much with rising signs. So lets say that just at 5 things we are one in 24,300,000 possible personalities. This makes all of us so different. How we look at life. My job as an astrologer is to figure out who you are out of the 24 million and then I begin to move forward in your life. Check the cycles of your moon as it changes. You will do things. Your sun changes every five years. I just go to all the changes. If I can size you up as a person good enough I can start to see what you did when the changes hit you. Like the woman yesterday. July 13 was her birthday. In 1972 the sun goes to leo on the 23 rd. So she is ten years old when she becomes a Leo. So go every 5 years from there. 20, 25, 30, 35. Take off six months from every one of those years and you find her move here from georgia to california. In Jan.

My sun? We all have our own personal sun? There is only one sun.

[dafydd]

So I have not been here for a few days. I promised I would stay here till you all became astrologers. I had court on Wednesday, I was trying to help my daughters life. Her mother is a drunk. I got 50% custody of her. So My twin had their 16 th birthday Friday and we went away to a hotel and the beach. Got back late last night. I am here I will have more time in the next few days to get back to all that has been written here. Most of you just don't believe that it is even possible that the planets could ever have an influence on our lives. Some of you just like to bag on others. You should see the things I do in public with astrology.
The planets do not have an influence on our lives.A car driving past my house has more gravitational and electromagnetic influence on me than all the planets put together.And what do your family dramas have to do with you proving your claim? I'm still waiting with unbated breath for a single shred of proof.Please do not respond with more anecdotes about your amazing powers.

[VisionFromFeeling]

astroman818, I have not read your entire thread but it seems to relate to astrology, the skill of describing and predicting the personality and life of a person based on their date of birth, or something like that? I would gladly volunteer, to provide you with the necessary information and you can try your thing and I will post the results here. What do you say?

[Agatha]

It wouldn't be a very good test, VfF; there is a lot of information about you already available on the forum and on your website.

I am not suggesting Astroman will cheat, btw, just that hot reading is available to him quite easily.

[kitakaze]

I am not Insane. I am trying in a forum to explain something that is going to take years for any of you to understand. Imagine if I was explaining how to split an atom. I would be laughed at for my theories. They thought the theory of relativity was insane till they proved it on an eclipse. I will have my day to prove this. Get your check book ready. My name is Mark Du Boise. So can I add your million to the 2.4 that is already out there?

Hi, Mark. I didn't say it but I don't think you're insane. I have a number of questions I asked about astrology that I would love to know about when you have the time.

BTW, two things...

1) Who thought the theory of relativity was insane?

2) Could you please use the quote function when responding to people? If you don't, it makes it difficult to follow you. You'll see the quote button at the lower right of a post you'd like to respond to.

[kitakaze]

The big problem is I have to take into account the factors that make every person. There are seven visible things in the sky that make up our basic astrology. sun moon mercury venus mars jupiter saturn. There is a break in the planets at the asteroid belt. A missing planet. This defines what makes you up sun to mars and jupiter and saturn are what effect you. So we are one in 30 degrees of sun moon mercury venus and mars. We also have a rising sign. So six factors of 30. 30 times 30 is 900, 27,000, 810,000, 24,300,000. I don't work much with rising signs. So lets say that just at 5 things we are one in 24,300,000 possible personalities. This makes all of us so different. How we look at life. My job as an astrologer is to figure out who you are out of the 24 million and then I begin to move forward in your life. Check the cycles of your moon as it changes. You will do things. Your sun changes every five years. I just go to all the changes. If I can size you up as a person good enough I can start to see what you did when the changes hit you. Like the woman yesterday. July 13 was her birthday. In 1972 the sun goes to leo on the 23 rd. So she is ten years old when she becomes a Leo. So go every 5 years from there. 20, 25, 30, 35. Take off six months from every one of those years and you find her move here from georgia to california. In Jan.

Wow. OK, that's really hard for me to follow. Again, just sounds like gobbledy-gook to me. But I can understand that the situation would be very similar if one was to start talking paleoanthropology to someone unfamiliar with it. Just an example.

Right, then. What can I do with you to start facilitating the process that would allow you to apply your astrology expertise to me? I would really like to have a better understanding of this fascinating idea that astrology runs my life.

[kitakaze]

Did someone suggest you were?

Yes:

Is there a history of insanity in your family?

That's what astroman was responding to but because he hasn't been using the quote function, it is easy to miss. I did ask him to use it in future responses.

So are you going to answer my question? How did you check when the birthdays of the people actually were? Have you kept a record of every birthday you guessed and the (verified) actual birthdays (whether you were correct or not) so you can tell us what your hit rate was, and we can calculate the odds of it being within chance?

That's a good question.

[dafydd]

astroman818, I have not read your entire thread but it seems to relate to astrology, the skill of describing and predicting the personality and life of a person based on their date of birth, or something like that? I would gladly volunteer, to provide you with the necessary information and you can try your thing and I will post the results here. What do you say?

If you put woo and woo together,do you get woo squared?

[astroman818]

What I really came here again for is to see if anyone has a university that will here me out.

[dafydd]

Quote:
So are you going to answer my question? How did you check when the birthdays of the people actually were? Have you kept a record of every birthday you guessed and the (verified) actual birthdays (whether you were correct or not) so you can tell us what your hit rate was, and we can calculate the odds of it being within chance?


My late wife believed in astrology. She was always guessing people's star signs and was convinced that she got it right most of the time.Over thirty years I kept a private score and she was right 1/12th of the time.Keep a record of ALL your birthday guesses and you will discover that you are right 1/365th of the time.

[Sun Countess]

What does astrology have to do with eye color? Isn't that genetics? My parents' genetic makeup indicated that half their children would have blue eyes and half brown. And indeed, three of six children were born with each eye color. If I gave you our birthdays, could you tell me which three have blue eyes and which three have brown? (And all the blue-eyeds married fellow blue-eyes, so 100% of their children have blue eyes. Isn't astrology amazing?) The dates:

04/01/62
08/18/63
08/26/64
05/25/67
04/29/69
10/20/70

Not that this is a testable claim mind you, but I'd just love to see if you can make a hit, what with all the extra information I gave you. Bonus points if you can tell me who was divorced twice.

[William Smith]

...
I have something important to say.
...

Are you aware that you keep talking about having something important to say, yet you never actually seem to say something important?

Are you also aware that simply talking will prove nothing?

[wardenclyffe]

astroman818,

You know there is a group local to you that would be able to test you. Others here have applied to them. They are www (dot) iigwest (dot) org. They offer a $50,000 prize. It's not a million, but it's nothing to sneeze at, either. Also, winning their money would certainly give you the media presence and academic interest so you could complete your application for Randi's big money. They are in Hollywood, which I think is close based on your area code.

Ward

[astroman818]

I spoke with them 5 years ago.

[wardenclyffe]

What happened when you contacted the IIG?

Ward

[astroman818]

Bare with me I am very busy. I will stay here and try to answer all of this if everyone can be an adult. My children don't behave this badly. I would never stand for it.

[astroman818]

I just didn't think I was ready to be tested then. My theories were pretty new and needed lots of work. I just knew I was right. I have spent the last five years getting ready for this test. I know much more than I did then. I work on this every day.

[wardenclyffe]

Well, you may wish to contact them again. They are local to you, they don't require those pesky media and academic prerequisites, they offer a cash prize and passing their test would almost guarantee a welcome mat in front of The Amazing Randi's door. Sounds like the easiest path to a million (+50,000) dollars.

Ward

[Piggy]

What I really came here again for is to see if anyone has a university that will here me out.

In short, no.

There is no accredited university who would be interested. What you're doing falls well below academic standards.

Sorry.

[arthwollipot]

I am open to further tests of my ability. Can we keep this as adult as possible. I am 48 years old this month and grade school was a long time ago. Can we all behave, while I am trying to explain myself here. Astrology is running our lives, I just may not be explaining it perfectly at all times. Bare with me while I try.If I give you a passport-style photo of myself, can you tell me my birth date?

[Delvo]

What I really came here again for is to see if anyone has a university that will here me out.Why a university? Is there something you want to do there that you can't do elsewhere, or something you want them to do for you that you can't get done elsewhere?

[fromdownunder]

If I were to post a picture of 3 women, would you be able to tell me their dates of Birth, and does this include year of birth as well?

A simple "yes" and I will post the picture.

Norm

[Jackalgirl]

Astroman818, until you're able to succeed at a double-blinded test similar to the one we conducted here, I don't think any university is going to be particularly interested.

You could try doing a Google search to find universities that provide coursework and/or degrees related to parapsychology, maybe. But you'll need to do that.

[fromdownunder]

If I were to post a picture of 3 women, would you be able to tell me their dates of Birth, and does this include year of birth as well?

A simple "yes" and I will post the picture.

Norm

I tell you what, I will even make it easier for someone as brilliant as you claim to be. Three women, two of them are my daughters, the other is my mother. The picture was taken last year. My date of birth is 20 September 1949.

You claim to be great at picking women's birth dates so, will you test yourself, "yes" or "no".

There will be a set of 9 digits involved, Day/Month/Year. Please use Day/Month/Year format. That's three sets of digits each for each of the three subjects. How many of the nine can you get right?

The dates you choose must be from left to right, as will be shown in the picture.

So, person on the left, Day/Month/Year of birth
Person in the centre Day/Month/Year of birth
Person on the right Day/Month/Year of birth

Norm

[William Smith]

...
I have spent the last five years getting ready for this test.
...

Which test did you have in mind?

[Cuddles]

If I were to post a picture of 3 women, would you be able to tell me their dates of Birth, and does this include year of birth as well?

A simple "yes" and I will post the picture.

Norm

That gives me an idea. Astroman, does your version of astrology only work on people? What if I were to post pictures of my cats? Would you be able to find out their birthdays?

[Akhenaten]

Bare with me I am very busy.


This seems like a bare assertion, and bears futher scrutiny. Bear with me and I will lay bare my suspicions, since I believe that they may have some bearing on the bare truth.



I will stay here and try to answer all of this if everyone can be an adult. My children don't behave this badly. I would never stand for it.


I'm 55 mate. and I don't have any choice about being an adult, more's the pity. In any case, I have no reason to set your children's behaviour as a standard for my own and I find it somewhat audacious that you would think this to be the case. Your methods of obtaining the behaviour you desire from your children are unlikely to work on me, young feller, so I wouldn't even bring them up if I were you, lest it be seen as irrelevant posturing.



I just didn't think I was ready to be tested then. My theories were pretty new and needed lots of work.


Western astrology originated in Mesopotamia during the 2nd millennium BC, and I would have thought most of the details would have been worked out by now. How many more millenia do you reckon you have to go?

Hint: Look how long I've been working on Monotheism and it's still a mess.



I just knew I was right.


No you didn't. We all start with the same blank sheet and immediately begin adding to it by learning things. We can add to the sheet by extrapolating what we've learned and working out new things, but this "new" knowledge must be checked from time-to-time against the already-existing body of knowledge to make sure we haven't gone too far astray in our thinking.

You may be missing a step in your quest for knowledge, and it's probably the last one that I mentioned.



I have spent the last five years getting ready for this test. I know much more than I did then. I work on this every day.


I have spent the last five years trying to learn a bit more about critical thinking. I know much more than I did then. I work on this every day.

[Lanzy]

I am not Insane.


Cite?

[VisionFromFeeling]

But it is pretty easy to see what sign of the 12 most women are. Then it is deduction. I look at many factors. It is a guess but a very educated one. Just eye color alone is a big clue. Body type, hair color, noses. I look at many things. It is fun to see the look on their faces when you have given them their exact birthday. Kind of like a deer in the headlights. I have spent 17 years working on this. Not like the other PHD's here. I did my homework. Cancer and Capricorn are the most predominant in the way we look. If the gene to have Blue eyes is present, they will show the eye color. Almost half the birthdays in a given year have Cancer or Capricorn in them in a well placed position. So half the Swedish women have blue eyes or green.Alright. What do you need to know. Is a picture over the internet good enough? I am a woman. A picture with my eyecolor, body type, hair color, nose. Why are we talking about the Swedish women? I'm a Swedish woman. :confused:
I am just barely touching on the vast knowledge that is here. This is not a great place to go over it. I can give you so little here. When there is so much to give. Knowledge? Statistics? Demographics? :confused:
I am open to further tests of my ability. Alright. Go to www.visionfromfeeling.com and tell me what my Astrological sign is. (I hope I didn't post my Birthday anywhere. Usually I'm good at keeping it a secret.)

It wouldn't be a very good test, VfF; there is a lot of information about you already available on the forum and on your website.

I am not suggesting Astroman will cheat, btw, just that hot reading is available to him quite easily. I seriously doubt he'll read all the 66 thread pages of my thread. Let's just see what information he presents and how he presents it. I'm curious.
If you put woo and woo together,do you get woo squared? Or maybe it results in some sort of annihiliation? It's particle Physics.
What I really came here again for is to see if anyone has a university that will here me out. Nope. You can't have mine.
What happened when you contacted the IIG?
I just didn't think I was ready to be tested then. My theories were pretty new and needed lots of work. I just knew I was right. I have spent the last five years getting ready for this test. I know much more than I did then. I work on this every day. You'd better hurry, I'll race you for it...! www.iigwest.com (http://www.iigwest.com/whatsnew/updates/200902_update.html)

Don't worry. I tell all my fellow claimants that I am not a competitor or a threat. ;) If you truly do have a genuine ability, I will let you pass. So. Start by telling me my Birthday, or the Astrological sign. I can send you a better picture than the one on my website, with my eyecolor and more details. :)

[dafydd]

I do not really have a clue.

I would like to know how you approach said universities, e.g. have a peek at the forms you send in, the letter, etc. Care to elaborate?

I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when he approached the said universities.Funnier than Monty Python I'll bet.

[dafydd]

Yes, I understand. You can't articulate everything perfectly all the time. Neither can I. I would like to know how astrology is running my life. It's intriguing. I will bear with you.

I would dearly love to hear how astrology is running my life too.All we get by way of explanation from you astroman is gobblede gook and meaningless numbers.And we are not interested in your life story,only hard proof.Got any?

[dafydd]

The big problem is I have to take into account the factors that make every person. There are seven visible things in the sky that make up our basic astrology. sun moon mercury venus mars jupiter saturn. There is a break in the planets at the asteroid belt. A missing planet. This defines what makes you up sun to mars and jupiter and saturn are what effect you. So we are one in 30 degrees of sun moon mercury venus and mars. We also have a rising sign. So six factors of 30. 30 times 30 is 900, 27,000, 810,000, 24,300,000. I don't work much with rising signs. So lets say that just at 5 things we are one in 24,300,000 possible personalities. This makes all of us so different. How we look at life. My job as an astrologer is to figure out who you are out of the 24 million and then I begin to move forward in your life. Check the cycles of your moon as it changes. You will do things. Your sun changes every five years. I just go to all the changes. If I can size you up as a person good enough I can start to see what you did when the changes hit you. Like the woman yesterday. July 13 was her birthday. In 1972 the sun goes to leo on the 23 rd. So she is ten years old when she becomes a Leo. So go every 5 years from there. 20, 25, 30, 35. Take off six months from every one of those years and you find her move here from georgia to california. In Jan.

More gibberish

[dafydd]

I'm good at this astrology lark too astroman.Here's a reading.I normally charge $400 dollars but have this one on me.

Your lucky colour is plaid,your lucky stone is emerald,your unlucky stone is Mick Jagger and your lucky star is Burt Reynolds.Your unlucky number is anything sung by Barry Manilow.Your rising sign is Otis Elevators.Pluto is in conjunction with Mickey Mouse so avoid gnomes,green buses and pink taxis.You are a tall,short man,heavy for your weight and tall for your height.If you are under Capricorn,watch out,Venus is ascending.Avoid circular saws.

[astroman818]

I have wondered back here because I now have free time again. Busy with my children, be nice. I come here to try to work this out before I go at the million dollar challenge. Every time I come here I go back to my world and redefine things as I talk to people. It has helped me greatly.

[Jackalgirl]

I have wondered back here because I now have free time again. Busy with my children, be nice. I come here to try to work this out before I go at the million dollar challenge. Every time I come here I go back to my world and redefine things as I talk to people. It has helped me greatly.

Do you think you could pass another astrology demonstration, such as the one we did?

[wardenclyffe]

Glad to see you back here. I still encourage you to contact the IIG again. They are near you; you don't need a media presence; you don't need academic affidavits; you don't even need a plane ticket to Florida. What went wrong the last time you contacted them?

Ward

[Kensington Bailey]

It's not really much of a code, is it? I mean, "Saturday" is just a corruption of the phrase "Saturn's Day."

Monday is Moon Day
Sunday is ... um ... Sun Day

The only one that's the least bit difficult to figure out is Tuesday and that's because people are generally unfamiliar with the fact that there was a Norse god named Tyr.

My birthday is 10/3/70, Mark. I'm waiting for you to tell me whatever you can.

1) You eat salads
2) You own a bicycle
3) You don't completely dry yourself after showering
4) Your insurance agent is playing games with you
5) You have an inny
6) You've never **** your pants

How am I doing?

[astroman818]

I used to do more predictions. There is a woman that contacted me the other day. She lives in Indiana. I used to chat with her, years ago. She started a chat window the other night with me. I printed what she said. So I can send a copy to anyone that would like one I can scan it.

She said: You gave me a reading and it was right on! Amazing
I said: What did I predict.
She said: You told me I would have more children, and I would get married at the age of 31....I thought "no way" but it did happen.
I said: Are you still with him
She said: yes and you said he would be a Virgo... and he is
She said: You are very good!!
She said: I was dating a Virgo at the time I talked to you and you even told me it wasn't him...it would be someone I hadn't met

[astroman818]

This is not typical of my normal readings of people, her and I were friends. We were on yahoo messenger many times together. I have been trying to explain how to use astrology here but no one will stop bashing me for ten seconds so I can explain. Any one wants to talk to her they can add her on Yahoo messenger. Her name there is ( jellybean_in_in ) contact her and ask her if I am full of it. She has a husband and a child that I predicted would come at a certain time. 31 years old.

[astroman818]

1) You eat salads
2) You own a bicycle
3) You don't completely dry yourself after showering
4) Your insurance agent is playing games with you
5) You have an inny
6) You've never **** your pants

How am I doing?

I would never do things like this, I see the major trends in ones life. There is a timing to life. We have free will. Most of us do things on the timing. I like to call them cycles now after being here.

[William Smith]

...

I would never do things like this, I see the major trends in ones life.
...

Great. Can you prove it?

... We have free will. ...

Wrong.

[astroman818]

There are so many people that contact me after years and tell me I was dead on. All I do is look at the cycles in their lives. Something I could teach any of you to do. It is really very easy. The Sun and Moon both have cycles. Sun 30 days in a given sign and the moon about 27 days to go through all 12 signs.

[astroman818]

Woman I met the other day. I said your a Water sign. When is your birthday? She told me July 13 1972. I know a woman born 3 days before her so I did some simple calculations and she had a moon in Leo. So Moon in Leo is back to Leo at 26 years old. Her cycle ends at 28 with Virgo moon and starts the new cycle in Libra right after. So I told her she has two major relationships. One at 28 and One at about 22 years old. She Married the one at 28. Then I did her Sun changes. She is Nine days before the sign of Leo. So go every 5 years after she becomes an adult. So 9 years plus 10 is 19 then 24 then 29, and 34. Law school done at 24, husband at 29, child at 34. It is all about the cycles. For most people.

[William Smith]

...It is really very easy. ...

Great. Can you prove it?

[William Smith]

...It is all about the cycles. For most people.

Great. Can you prove it?

[astroman818]

This is what I see that works. I just want to prove that there is some kind of influence on our lives these timings. I have done this so many times that it has come up with all kinds of results. What I see is that there are spikes in our changes. High points and Low points. They seem to make us do things. I can call out the dates on any person. It is very interesting to see what happens on the dates. No one here wants to interact with me. You just want me to say what is going to happen and that is it. Well it doesn't work that way.

[astroman818]

The thing that is very interesting to me in Astrology is death. We have no free will on that one. When our brother or parent dies. It shows the sorrow in the people that love you. Death is not in your birthday. So I look at close family or a spouse. It is written there. You can even see inheritance. Don't think this is just written in plain site it is kind of vague. But it is there to see.

[astroman818]

I wish I could get a few of you on the phone and I could go over all your changes and cycles with you. You would see the way it has worked in your lives. Maybe it would make you think harder. Only one person from here ever called me.

[astroman818]

Lets do the cycles, I can teach any to do them. Simple math.

[Pixel42]

I come here to try to work this out before I go at the million dollar challenge.
Do you understand that no amount of anecdotes of past correct guesses will win you the million? You have to show that you can either use astrology to guess some actual fact about people correctly significantly more often than chance, or produce general readings that can be picked out by their subject from a bunch of other peoples' significantly more often than chance.

Telling us anecdotes about how you were right in the past is a waste of time, they prove nothing. Teaching us how to produce readings as you do is a waste of time, it proves nothing. Talking to some of us on the phone and getting a few things right is a waste of time, it proves nothing.

When you first visited this forum you attempted a test of the kind required to win the million and failed abjectly. Have you since attempted another such test and got a positive result? If not are you ready to take another such test here? Unless you can answer yes to one of those questions you are wasting your time here.

[astroman818]

Yes lets make a new test.

[astroman818]

I will be home later and we can go over the details.

[arthwollipot]

Great. Can you prove it?Bugger trying to prove it. Can he demonstrate it?

[EHocking]

Lets do the cycles, I can teach any to do them. Simple math.
Show us then using this date.

30 July 1962

[Pixel42]

Show us then
For goodness' sake, don't get him started on that. He'll witter on for pages, and it's completely irrelevant; only when he's demonstrated that his technique actually produces positive results will it be worth asking what that technique is.

If you really want to know read the first dozen pages of this thread.

[EHocking]

For goodness' sake, don't get him started on that. He'll witter on for pages, and it's completely irrelevant; only when he's demonstrated that his technique actually produces positive results will it be worth asking what that technique is.

If you really want to know read the first dozen pages of this thread.Oh, I've been watching this disaster from the outset.

I merely wish him to put up.

Using the birth date given, I'd like to see the "changes and cycles" that it produces.

I have no intention of feeding him clues via a phone call - the point wasn't to test his cold reading abilities, but for him to demonstrate this easy and accurate astrology of his.

[Pixel42]

I merely wish him to put up
Understood. I thought all he was offering to do was explain how to calculate the cycles, which he's already wasted a great deal of time doing, but if you think you can get something specific out of him, go for it. Though I suspect all we'll get is the usual generic stuff with anything even vaguely accurate claimed as a hit and lots of retrofitting afterwards once you've given him the actual facts.

[William Smith]

Bugger trying to prove it. Can he demonstrate it?

I stand corrected. Thanks.

[Jackalgirl]

I offer to do a similar test as the one we did before. If you agree, I will ask for 10 volunteers (preferably people who did not participate in the last test) to PM me the information you specify that you need (which we will need to discuss on this thread to make sure everyone understands). These people will post NONE of that information publicly will also not post that they are participating. This is to prevent you or anyone else from getting information on them via an Internet search.

I will make a list of the information, stripping out any identifying information (names, in particular). I will post a hash of this list here and then I will PM you the list.

You will generate 10 readings using the data from the list. You will ensure that they are free of any "clues" (references to birth year or location, references to birth sign, etc) except that they are titled "Reading x" (where x corresponds to the number on the list I gave you). You will PM them to me.

Using dice, I will "shuffle" the readings. I will label the readings A-J and I will PM you a list of what number corresponds to what letter. I will post a hash of that list too. I will check the readings for clues (see above), edit out any I find, and then post the readings, titled "Reading a" (where a corresponds to the appropriate letter). I will PM you with any information about edits before I actually post the readings to make sure that you are okay with my edits.

Each person participating will PM me with the reading, A-J, that they feel best describes themselves.

I will post that list, along with the original data and the list of what letters correspond to what numbers. Anyone who thinks I cheated by changing things around can compare the lists with my posted hashes.

If I am not mistaken, only 4 out of 10 need to correctly identify their readings (for a 1:1000 chance), tho someone please correct me if I am.

If you agree to this, astroman, would you please post a message describing the information you need from any potential volunteers? Those of you who want to volunteer, please do not post that you want to volunteer.

[SlayerofCliffracers]

Got to Page 9 and then decided that Astroman was such a joke.

[Gmonster2]

Pot meet kettle... ^^^

[Pup]

She has a husband and a child that I predicted would come at a certain time. 31 years old.

Simple test: You're given the birth information of a certain number of anonymous people. You state the age at which they were first legally married if at all, the sign of their spouse, and their age when their first child was born if any. If you could do it well enough to beat the odds for a good guesser, I think that would qualify for the million dollar challenge.

Can you do that?

[Jackalgirl]

I like Pup's suggestion. That's pretty simple. I'd be willing to moderate that, too. Should be fairly easy to do.

[Pixel42]

Got to Page 9 and then decided that Astroman was such a joke.
Astroman was quite sure he could use astrology to correctly deduce certain facts about individuals from their birth details. He was sure about this for the same reason you are sure that astrology works - because of his own experiences, which had led him to believe that he had made such correct deductions in the past more often than would be expected by chance.

People here suggested that the apparent accuracy he was perceiving might be due to confirmation bias and the Forer Effect, and a good way to find out whether it was or not was to do a test right here which carefully eliminated them. Astroman agreed, the test was run, and the results were negative.

Astroman refused to accept the obvious conclusion, but no-one really expected him to. When you are emotionally invested in a belief, it can take a long time and many such disappointments to get to the point where you can admit you were mistaken. But at least he was prepared to actually put his beliefs to a test which would have meaningful results, something you have so far conspicuously failed to do.

[William Smith]

Astroman was quite sure he could use astrology to correctly deduce certain facts about individuals from their birth details. He was sure about this for the same reason you are sure that astrology works - because of his own experiences, which had led him to believe that he had made such correct deductions in the past more often than would be expected by chance.

People here suggested that the apparent accuracy he was perceiving might be due to confirmation bias and the Forer Effect, and a good way to find out whether it was or not was to do a test right here which carefully eliminated them. Astroman agreed, the test was run, and the results were negative.

Astroman refused to accept the obvious conclusion, but no-one really expected him to. When you are emotionally invested in a belief, it can take a long time and many such disappointments to get to the point where you can admit you were mistaken. But at least he was prepared to actually put his beliefs to a test which would have meaningful results, something you have so far conspicuously failed to do.

And I applaud astroman818's expressed willingness to do another test.

[SlayerofCliffracers]

Astroman was quite sure he could use astrology to correctly deduce certain facts about individuals from their birth details. He was sure about this for the same reason you are sure that astrology works - because of his own experiences, which had led him to believe that he had made such correct deductions in the past more often than would be expected by chance.


No, it's simply the responses he gives and the sheer meglamania I detected.

It's also funny because he started making vast claims Astrologically based upon practically no Astrological information at all. He's funny for the same reason that Sun Sign Astrologers in the newspapers are funny.

Or maybe I am still more Skeptical of Astrology than he is. However I consider anyone willing to take the Million Doller challenge to be mentally challenged to start off with.

Simply because observing James Randis willingness to throw away evidence for things he doesn't agree with, makes me highly sceptical of his willingness to ever accept evidence for something he has made a public stance of not believing in.

[Jackalgirl]

Simply because observing James Randis willingness to throw away evidence for things he doesn't agree with...

I have a question for you, but as it's off-topic, I've started a new thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=4655563). Please come on over and answer it.

[Coveredinbeeees]

If I am not mistaken, only 4 out of 10 need to correctly identify their readings (for a 1:1000 chance), tho someone please correct me if I am.

The odds of at least 4 out of 10 people picking their own reading at random from a selection of 10 are 1:78.

The odds of at least 5 out of 10 people picking their own reading at random from a selection of 10 are 1:625.

The odds of at least 6 out of 10 people picking their own reading at random from a selection of 10 are of the order 1:10000

ref (http://www.stat.tamu.edu/~west/applets/binomialdemo.html)

'Beeees

[Delvo]

Sadly, what those numbers mean is that if there are enough sets of people doing tests of astrology like this, then at least some of them do indeed get results that look like confirmation of astrology's accuracy. I actually worry sometimes, when I see tests suggested around here, that the next time a fluke apparent success happens will be here and now. It's certainly more likely that I'll see that than that I'll win a lottery or be seriously injured in my car, and we know those things really happen to real people...

[William Smith]

Sadly, what those numbers mean is that if there are enough sets of people doing tests of astrology like this, then at least some of them do indeed get results that look like confirmation of astrology's accuracy. I actually worry sometimes, when I see tests suggested around here, that the next time a fluke apparent success happens will be here and now. It's certainly more likely that I'll see that than that I'll win a lottery or be seriously injured in my car, and we know those things really happen to real people...

A fluke is a fluke. It won't be repeated or amount to a result of statistical significance.

A claim of merit can be repeated. Often. With statistical significance.

[The Master Cat]

I would like to posit that astrology does have an effect on people.

It causes certain mindsets to believe they are capable of drawing information from the planets regarding the lives and personalities of others. I believe my claim has been repeatedly proven during this thread.

Where is my million?

[RoboTimbo]

I would like to posit that astrology does have an effect on people.

It causes certain mindsets to believe they are capable of drawing information from the planets regarding the lives and personalities of others. I believe my claim has been repeatedly proven during this thread.


And a couple of others. It also makes people come out of lurking mode.

[The Master Cat]

I am not Insane.

Yes you are. I understand that the majority of people here are unwilling to be rude - and why, but to be perfectly honest, you are a complete whackjob. I have lived with a friend with similar beliefs, and I have watched him slowly ruin his life because of it. He indulges in wishful thinking, confirmation bias, and all manner of logical fallacies. He believes his information cannot be disproved - he is prone to angry outbursts and periods of brooding, much akin to bipolar disorder.

Because he is a friend, I try to respect his opinions. But I have also told him - there is no way you will ever pull me across to your way of thinking. I don't have this problem with you, because I don't know you personally. Therefore, you are a complete idiot. True knowledge is smacking you in the face and you are warping it into garbage.

[dafydd]

So I have not been here for a few days. I promised I would stay here till you all became astrologers. I had court on Wednesday, I was trying to help my daughters life. Her mother is a drunk. I got 50% custody of her. So My twin had their 16 th birthday Friday and we went away to a hotel and the beach. Got back late last night. I am here I will have more time in the next few days to get back to all that has been written here. Most of you just don't believe that it is even possible that the planets could ever have an influence on our lives. Some of you just like to bag on others. You should see the things I do in public with astrology.

You should see the things I do in private with astrogel.

[Spektator]

How about a reading for 17 January 1952, born at Lat. 35 degrees 5.6 minutes north, longitude 84 degrees 1.7 minutes west?

[astroman818]

Every time I leave this forum I grow as an astrologer. As much as I hate the childish things that are said here,they make me angry and more committed to my work. I must go on so here I am again. It is not what I found that is wrong, it is my way of communicating it that needs work.

[dafydd]

Talk about megalomania!

[astroman818]

I said long ago I was here to stay. Life is just a constant changing event. My life has evolved. I have been busy working. I am here to play again. If I can stand the adult kindergarten. I think It would be better for me to read some volunteers and show them what I read as I go.

http://www.findyourfate.com/astrology/ephemeris/ephemeris.html

[Steve001]

I said long ago I was here to stay. Life is just a constant changing event. My life has evolved. I have been busy working. I am here to play again. If I can stand the adult kindergarten. I think It would be better for me to read some volunteers and show them what I read as I go.

http://www.findyourfate.com/astrology/ephemeris/ephemeris.html

I skipped most of the postings so forgive me if this has been asked and answered already.
1. What is the mechanism by which planets can affect us ?
2. Does the mass of a planet matter ?
3. Does the distance between us and a planet diminish its affect upon us ?
4. Is there or is there not cut off distance by which a planet or other celestial body has no affect ? Explain why that's true or not
5. Being a planet does the Earth have an affect ?
These are just a few of the questions I'd like you to answer.

[TheDoLittle]

Every time I leave this forum I grow as an astrologer.

Wow! Imagine what kind of astrologer you'd become if you canceled your forum member account!

I said long ago I was here to stay.

Oh, well... we'll never know now.

As much as I hate the childish things that are said here,

I'm willing to bet you're not talking about your posts.

they make me angry and more committed to my work.

So you are talking about your posts?

I must go on so here I am again. It is not what I found that is wrong, it is my way of communicating it that needs work.

I forget. Are Stundie's only for twoofers?

I am here to play again. If I can stand the adult kindergarten.

Most of us have graduated into reality so the kiddy-garty sandbox is all yours.

I think It would be better for me to read some volunteers and show them what I read as I go.

There were several volunteers in many of the previous posts. Might I suggest that you quit with the dilly-dallying and start with them.

[astroman818]

Is it Texas, the south, or just you fell on your head too many times. You want the whole world to see you as an idiot. Putting me down doesn't make you smarter. You don't know me, my work or English very well. I am here to talk to those that are real thinkers. I am a thinker, I have a open mind. If you have an opinion about a subject you know nothing about and you voice it. What does that make you? How will the world perceive you? People used to think the world was flat and that the earth was the center of everything. Anyone with other thinking was treated much like I get treated here. Want to stay in the dark? I have so much to explain we will never touch it all here. When you find out your a created being and that astrology has run your life all the way till now. It shows deaths in the family. Talks about your big moves. Tells me changes nothing would ever know. The problem is that it just changes our feelings and desires. We still have free will. Not on our mothers death. But in love and work. Your free to come here every day and try to prove your smart by putting people like me down. But even the most difficult person has changes. There are 4 million personalities and a lifetime of changes for all of us. I have to teach you in 5 minutes how it works? I need more like 5 years. All I need to do is show I am on to something and I win 2.5 million. I prove the existence of a God and all of you have to change your thinking forever. We are going to get there. I promise.

[astroman818]

Steve I think the planets, like it says in The book of Genesis, Are Signs. So they are more like the newspaper is to sports. Yes the earth is also part of the message. They are a language. They tell the story of everything man does. Even the presidents. You can see our financial life here from our presidential inaugurations. I will show anyone that wants to see it. I put a link up to what I read. All the info is there. If you can read it and I am an Idiot then please let me know. If you look at it and can't read it them call me and I will show you how. We can do it together. Please stop the stupid hick comments and lets get to doing this.

[Jack by the hedge]

... I have to teach you in 5 minutes how it works? I need more like 5 years.
Doesn't matter how it works. Not for now, at least. First you have to demonstrate that it does work. Any particular plans in that regard?
All I need to do is show I am on to something and I win 2.5 million. I prove the existence of a God and all of you have to change your thinking forever.
That would indeed be an impressive feat. Do you have a plan in mind?

[Ladewig]

You want the whole world to see you as an idiot. Putting me down doesn't make you smarter.

To wear the mantle of Galileo, it is not enough that you are laughed at; you must also be right. Let's just focus on the last half. Can you concisely and accurately show that you are right? Can you pass a test protocol to show that you are right?




You don't know me, my work or English very well. I am here to talk to those that are real thinkers. I am a thinker, I have a open mind. If you have an opinion about a subject you know nothing about and you voice it. What does that make you? How will the world perceive you? People used to think the world was flat and that the earth was the center of everything. Anyone with other thinking was treated much like I get treated here. Want to stay in the dark? I have so much to explain we will never touch it all here.

Again, we don't need 5 years worth of lessons showing how it works. We simply need evidence that it works. Focus on that part.

[Steve001]

Steve I think the planets, like it says in The book of Genesis, Are Signs. So they are more like the newspaper is to sports. Yes the earth is also part of the message. They are a language. They tell the story of everything man does. Even the presidents. You can see our financial life here from our presidential inaugurations. I will show anyone that wants to see it. I put a link up to what I read. All the info is there. If you can read it and I am an Idiot then please let me know. If you look at it and can't read it them call me and I will show you how. We can do it together. Please stop the stupid hick comments and lets get to doing this.


You come to a forum composed primarily of skeptics knowing full well persons like us require empirical proofs for any claims. Yet your response is a typical emotional appeal to authority- yours namely. If you hope to ever prove astrology is more than a belief empirical evidence is what you need to provide
So I ask again:

1. What is the mechanism by which planets can affect us ?
2. Does the mass of a planet matter ?
3. Does the distance between us and a planet diminish its affect upon us ?
4. Is there or is there not a cut off distance by which a planet or other
celestial body has no affect ? Explain why that's true or not
5. Being a planet does the Earth have an affect ?

These are just a few of the questions I'd like you to answer or any astrologer to answer.
Btw, I find it odd that you care not to know the mechanism by which astrology might work for you seem to have such an inquiring mind.

[AdinDraco]

Stop the tantrums dude and just demonstrate something....anything.... I don't have to understand a single thing about what you think you know, lets just accept that you are lots smarter with some insight/knowledge that I don't have, now just clarify what you can do and do it. I'm not being scarcastic - a simple, verifiable demonstration that what you're claiming even exists and you're a millionaire and world famous.

[astroman818]

Astrology is a God decree not a mathematical constant that is why we never got it as humans. I know it is hard to understand that the planets themselves have nothing to do with it. The most powerful thing in astrology is the progressions. Like my birthday, I was born on March 31, 1961. So I turn 49 this year. So 49 days after my birthday is May 19, 1961. That is the day I look to for answers to what is happening in my life today. I do this for everyone.

[Sledge]

And what does Venera 1 becoming the first man-made object to pass another planet tell you?

[Jack by the hedge]

It still really doesn't matter how you think astrology works unless you can demonstrate that it does work. Can you do that?

[astroman818]

Every planet has a cycle of its own and a meaning. The Sun changes every 5 years. It speaks of that in Revelation 4 th chapter. Moon changes every 27 months. 6 years for our relationship and work cycles( this is what I spoke of here first, who we marry on the Cardinal Moon). Only two people didn't marry on the Cardinal Moon, but they married the person they met when they were in the Cardinal Moon cycle. 27 years for a full cycle. Venus and Mars also 5 years on the actual change of sign. These are the planets that make us up our look our person in every way. Rising sign, Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus and Mars. Then there is a asteroid belt. Jupiter and beyond are the planets that effect us.

[fromdownunder]

Astrology is a God decree not a mathematical constant that is why we never got it as humans. I know it is hard to understand that the planets themselves have nothing to do with it. The most powerful thing in astrology is the progressions. Like my birthday, I was born on March 31, 1961. So I turn 49 this year. So 49 days after my birthday is May 19, 1961. That is the day I look to for answers to what is happening in my life today. I do this for everyone.

Well, now you are getting to be a bit more specific. So, what actually happened on May 19 1961, or more interestingly, what happened on May 21 1961 and how will it affect your life 2 years from now?

Norm

[astroman818]

Every day all of you demonstrate it. I just need to point it out.

[astroman818]

The current highlight of May 19 1961 is that the moon is passing through the sign of Cancer

[Sledge]

Which means...?

[astroman818]

Cancer moon is the Number One Marriage Moon. Look back and more people got married because of it than any other time.

[fromdownunder]

...and that telly you...?

Norm

[Loss Leader]

My birthday is 10/3/70, Mark. I'm waiting for you to tell me whatever you can.


Check it out - I last checked in on this thread a year and a half ago. It's 19 months later and darn it if nothing has changed.

[fromdownunder]

Cancer moon is the Number One Marriage Moon. Look back and more people got married because of it than any other time.

Please provide the data and source for this information.

Norm

[fromdownunder]

Check it out - I last checked in on this thread a year and a half ago. It's 19 months later and darn it if nothing has changed.

I can tell you something, You are 19 months older. So something has changed. :D

Norm

[astroman818]

I am just getting started. I am going to show all of you how it works. I was at a restaurant the other night. Called the Pantry owned by the old Mayor here in Los Angeles. Our waitress her birthday was Sept 15. I did some fast math. Sept 15 to the 23 is 8 days. that is when it changes to Libra. Then I thought fast go by 5 right I just explained it before. 8 + 5 is 13 too young, 8+10 is 18 still too young. 8 + 15 is 23 and that is just right for the sun sign to be ready for marriage (15 degrees Libra). It is a God decree so you have to subtract 1/2 a year. So March 15 when she was 22 years old was here Marriage time. She said how did you do that? She is about 50 now and I was right she got Married two months before that only once and he died of cancer 5 years later. She never married again.

[astroman818]

I got to her Marriage date within two months in one minute using astrology. No book just my basic knowledge of what is going on. She works there every night.

[Sledge]

I was going to break that post down and ask questions for each step, but you descended into gibberish too quickly. Try telling the story again, explaining what you did and why you did it. It's not a race, so take your time.

[Pure Argent]

Well, I'm a sucker for astrology threads, so hey, what the heck.

astroman, my birthday is October nineteenth at around three p.m. What can you tell me about myself, and what other information would you require to do so?

[astroman818]

I do things like this all the time. How do I show all of you in this place what I can do. I guess using a vast amount of knowledge. So I am wrong some times. I am human. Like I said we all have free will. Some of us don't marry ever. But marriage times happen to all of us. There are times to move but we all don't move. There are divorce times but some stay married. The things I like are deaths we have no choice over them. But it only tells me of them by how you felt about the person. Some are crushed and some could care less.

[Sledge]

This isn't an insult or a snide comment but an honest question: are you high?

[astroman818]

Oct 19 is 4 days from Oct 23 the end of Libra. So fast forward every five years from there. You become a Sagittarius at 34. So the highlights of your Sun sign change are 19,24,29,34,39,44,49,54,59. Remember to always subtract 6 months. So April 16 every year you change, But at the ages of 18,23,28,33,38,43,48,53,58. On about
April 16 you have the big changes for your life.

[astroman818]

Very sober. I know your not following me that is ok. You don't have to get it right this second. I am not lying. This is very factual. It runs all our lives just like this. No matter how much you want to not believe it is running you too.

[astroman818]

Why do you think I haven't written a book about astrology. The proof is complicated and sounds like a foreign language. The most powerful thing it does is show who connects with who on a sexual level. I have only shared that knowledge with a few people and won't be telling the world for now. I have had my own personal battles with that knowledge.

[Jack by the hedge]

The things I like are deaths we have no choice over them.

You can predict dates of death from dates of birth?

So if you were presented with a list of dates of birth of real people, you would be able to pick out those who were still alive? Maybe not 100%, but significantly better than guesswork? That would make a good test.

What other information would you need? (Obviously people born on a particular date don't all die on the same day as each other.)

[Sledge]

If you're not high, you're just gibbering. Why do you think this is going to convince anyone of astrology?

[fromdownunder]

You can predict dates of death from dates of birth?



Of course he can't. One word:

Elvis.

Norm

[astroman818]

Death is not in your own birthday it is in the birthdays of the people that loved you, My son asked me to explain death the other night so I got out the birthdays of all involved in the death of Natalie Wood. It shows everything there. She has two children she birthed and her husband. All of them show her death. Very vivid in all of them.

[Olowkow]

... On about
April 16 you have the big changes for your life.
Yeah, a lot poorer, after paying income tax.

[astroman818]

I have a death coming in my birthday. Not me but someone around me. I don't like to do future deaths. But I will do past ones. Sometimes the thing happens that looks like a death and it is only the break up of a family.

[astroman818]

Everyone changes Six months before their birthday and on their birthday. Starting about 21 days before the event. Look at your own life and tell me I am wrong.

[Sledge]

Ah, so you can predict the past.

:confused:

Wait, what?

[fromdownunder]

Everyone changes Six months before their birthday and on their birthday. Starting about 21 days before the event. Look at your own life and tell me I am wrong.

You are wrong.

[astroman818]

In little messages like this I could never cover the subject. I need to be able to talk. I only talked to one person for a moment or two here in 19 months. I need to have a person or two on the phone that can report back to the rest.

[astroman818]

I am right

[Sledge]

Maybe if you stopped and wrote out a coherent post on what you believe you can do and why, instead of posting a steam of consciousness series of messages every couple of minutes, that would help?

[Jack by the hedge]

I am right

Prove it then.

[astroman818]

I will do past deaths. What says death is not always a death. It talks of a bad time. A really bad time is often a death.

[astroman818]

Some one has to go over it with me. I will never be able to teach you in this forum. I have to show you. Maybe I could copy the Ephemeris and put it here. It won't show what planets it is talking about. I have to take a volunteer and show them. I could try here.

[fromdownunder]

Some one has to go over it with me. I will never be able to teach you in this forum. I have to show you. Maybe I could copy the Ephemeris and put it here. It won't show what planets it is talking about. I have to take a volunteer and show them. I could try here.

OK, I will volunteer. I was born on 20 September 1949. Tell me about myself in-thread. Even the past will do, not the future. Put up or...

Norm

[astroman818]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_Wood

Her story is here. All the birthdays also. This is how it works. We take The birthdays of

Robert Wagner feb 10 1930

Courtney Wagner, was born on March 9, 1974.

daughter, Natasha (born September 29, 1970).

[astroman818]

She died November 28 1981

Robert was almost 51 --- So we use 51 days after he was born April 2 nd 1930

Courtney was almost 8 --- 8 days after is March 17 1974

Natasha was 11 --- 11 days after is Oct 10 1070

Now we can all go to those days in the link I gave you.

http://www.findyourfate.com/astrology/ephemeris/ephemeris.html

Robert Wagner has on April 2 nd the planet Saturn matching his sun at 11 degrees. That is the big death thing.

We 02 12:38:28 11AR32 14TA34 12AR01 24AR54 12PI19 11GE53 11CP34
------- -------

[wardenclyffe]

astroman818,

I know that you said you had contacted the IIG in the past because you live in Los Angeles. Have you done so again? If not, why not? There are any number of other organizations that would be happy to pay you if you could pass a simple test. What is holding you back?

Ward

P.S. Here's a list of places that will test you. Your local IIG is second on the list. They just tested someone last week, so they are active and I'd bet they'd be happy to set something up for you. Here's the list:

There's the Australian Skeptics' AU$100,000 Prize
http://www.skeptics.com.au/features/prize/

There's the IIG's US$50,000 Challenge
http://www.iigwest.org/challenge.html

There's the North Texas Skeptic's US$12,000 Challenge
http://www.ntskeptics.org/challenge/challenge.htm

There's Prabir Ghosh's 2,000,000 Rupee Challenge in India
http://rationalistprabir.bravehost.com/

There's the Swedish 100,000SeK prize offered by Humanisterna
http://www.humanisterna.se/index.php...d=27&Itemid=49

The Tampa Bay Skeptics offers a US$1000 prize in Florida, USA
http://www.tampabayskeptics.org/challenges.html

In Canada there's the CAN$10,000 from the Quebec Skeptics
http://www.sceptiques.qc.ca/activites/defi

In the UK, the ASKE organization offers £14,000
http://www.aske-skeptics.org.uk/challenge_rules.htm

Tony Youens in the UK offers £5,000
http://www.tonyyouens.com/challenge.htm

In Finland, Skepsis offers 10,000 Euros
http://www.skepsis.fi/haaste/

The Fayetteville Freethinkers offer a US$1000 prize
http://fayfreethinkers.com/

There's a 1,000,000 Yuan prize in China offered by Sima Nan
I've found a lot written about it, but no official web address for it. If anyone's got one, let me know.

The Belgian SKEPP organization offers a 10,500 Euro prize
I can't seem to make their link work. If anyone else can or knows of an update, let me know.
http://www.skepp.be/prijzen/de-sisyphus-prijs/

[Sledge]

Apparently my sarcasm was too subtle. astroman818: predicting the past of famous people is not impressive. From my point of view, all you're doing is messing around with numbers until you come up with something you hope looks good (FYI: it doesn't). If you wish to prove that astrology works, you need to predict the future or do readings on people you couldn't otherwise have information on.

[Sun Countess]

She died November 28 1981

Robert was almost 51 --- So we use 51 days after he was born April 2 nd 1930

Courtney was almost 8 --- 8 days after is March 17 1974

Natasha was 11 --- 11 days after is Oct 10 1070

Now we can all go to those days in the link I gave you.

http://www.findyourfate.com/astrology/ephemeris/ephemeris.html

Robert Wagner has on April 2 nd the planet Saturn matching his sun at 11 degrees. That is the big death thing.

We 02 12:38:28 11AR32 14TA34 12AR01 24AR54 12PI19 11GE53 11CP34
------- -------
I have no idea what the stuff at the bottom means, but I do know that someone who is almost 51 is actually 50, and someone who is almost 8 is actually 7.

[astroman818]

People born that close to the cusp of the next sign are usually born to a bad parent situation. They were not compatible. Sept 20 1949 usually they broke up when you are young like 2 or 3. On the 13 of Oct 1949 the moon goes into Cancer. Your marriage time is there. 23 or 24 years old.

The two death times are 17 years old and at 51 years old. Saturn hits the sun on those years. Like Robert Wagner.

[Sledge]

Are you reading anything anyone else posts?

[astroman818]

Stuff at the bottom is what the planets are on April 2 nd 1930

11ar32 is the sun at 11 Aries 32 minutes

11cp34 is Saturn at 11 Capricorn 34 minutes

[astroman818]

I am reading you Sledge. If you were smart like you think you are you could try to follow me. You must see the different ways it talks about death. See what I read and its limitations. There is a timing. It does matter. Almost 51 is a place in time. He was born in Feb, almost his next birthday is close to the end of the year. I can never get death exact. I am always a few weeks few months off. Imagine if I knew the day. How would that change the world? I shouldn't even be talking of this but none of you would ever put the time it takes to figure anything out. I am of little fear you will master any of this.

[fromdownunder]

People born that close to the cusp of the next sign are usually born to a bad parent situation. They were not compatible.Sept 20 1949 usually they broke up when you are young like 2 or 3. On the 13 of Oct 1949 the moon goes into Cancer. Your marriage time is there. 23 or 24 years old.

The two death times are 17 years old and at 51 years old. Saturn hits the sun on those years. Like Robert Wagner.

I assume that you mean my parents broke up at some point. Sorry, completely and utterly wrong. They never, ever did.

And I was 20 when I married, so that makes your two specific claims complete failures.

I don't know what the "death times" are supposed to represent, since I am obviously 60, and therefore did not die at 17 OR 51, (nor did anyone I knew particularly well). Nor did I have any traumatic experiences at either 17 or 51, well none that a teenager would consider unusual (I did join a Rock Band, does that count?).

You will need to do better to get $1M.

Norm


Norm

[Sledge]

The words are English, and yet the combinations they are placed in convey no meaning whatsoever.

[Trent Wray]

Hi Astroman818 .... I just read a couple of posts and from what I understand you believe you have a system to astrology to predict deaths, marriages, events, etc and so forth.

I know next to ZERO about astrology, and I'm not that interested in it ... so I might be a good one to "read". You wanna do death, marriage, divorce, birth, good, bad, whatever .... go for it. I'll give an update on how close you are to whatever you say. You want some birth dates (mine, my parents also right?) here you go:

me: Nov 12, 1976
mom: Aug 15, 1947
dad: June 1, 1946 or 47

This post will self destruct in 5 .. 4 .. 3 .. 2 ....... :)

[Delvo]

In little messages like this I could never cover the subject.Then it would be a better use of your time to quit posting "little messages like this", and instead write a single essay of whatever length it needs to be, taking as much time as you need to perfect it.

[Loss Leader]

Everyone changes Six months before their birthday and on their birthday. Starting about 21 days before the event. Look at your own life and tell me I am wrong.


So, 42 days out of a 365 day year. That's the period for which you are predicting "change."

Astroman, does it not occur to you how easy it is to look at someone's entire life and find something that you can label as "change"? I could list thousands of events in my own life that fit that description, and, by pure random chance, some of them would have happened in the 12% of the year that you ascribe to astrological forces.

For example, it so happens that my birthday is October 3. So, for most of my life, my new school year always started sometime around 21 days before my birthday. If you want to call the start of a new school year "change", then go ahead. But for the majority of people on this forum, the new school year would have not started anywhere near the period you carved out. Is the same event a "change" for me but not for them?

Moreover, the two most important school starts I ever had - grad school and law school, didn't take place a week or two into September, but a week or two before the end of August. That's pretty darn far from my birthday. And, by your own standards, it doesn't qualify as the "change" you were looking for.


I will do past deaths. What says death is not always a death. It talks of a bad time. A really bad time is often a death.


Once again, do you not agree that you are carving out a huge space for something to be declared a hit by you? Death or any sort of bad time? Does that include stomach cancer? What about a stomach ache? What about eating ice cream too fast?

[Jack by the hedge]

Astroman, are you interested in proving to everyone that your astrology works? If you pass a suitable test, everyone will have to take you seriously.

For example, if you were able to look at a list of people you hadn't previously heard of and pick out (with sufficient accuracy, to be agreed in advance) which ones were alive and which were dead, that could work as an acceptable test.

What pieces of information would you need to have for each person on such a list?

[astroman818]

I went to a party tonight I wish you could talk to Laura a Lawyer here in Los Angeles. I am going to ask her if one of you could call her. She didn't believe. She watched me call every ones signs. I made people cry with things I knew about them. I think I am just like the Sundance Kid and I need to be able to do astrology the way I do it. I need to interact. Doing stale readings for people that are miserable is very hard for me. I don't feel the vibe. I have to feel it. I need the energy. Maybe it is partly Psychic. I need to feel the person. I want to believe that I am doing something based on pure science but maybe not.

[Pixel42]

I need to interact. Doing stale readings for people that are miserable is very hard for me. I don't feel the vibe. I have to feel it. I need the energy. Maybe it is partly Psychic. I need to feel the person. I want to believe that I am doing something based on pure science but maybe not.
Yes what you're doing is based on science, the science of psychology.

http://www.skepdic.com/coldread.html

http://www.skepdic.com/subjectivevalidation.html

If you want to show that what you're doing is more than these well known phenomena can account for you need to design an experiment that will systematically exclude them as explanations. On the only occasion on which you did so, with our help, your supposed accuracy vanished, clear evidence that your perceived accuracy when you are able to "feel the person" is indeed due to these well understood causes.

[Ladewig]

I went to a party tonight I wish you could talk to Laura a Lawyer here in Los Angeles. I am going to ask her if one of you could call her. She didn't believe. She watched me call every ones signs. I made people cry with things I knew about them.

I, and the majority of people on this forum, do not care one tiny bit about a person you said didn't believe and now does believe. That cannot be defined as evidence and evidence is what we are looking for.

One short question

In fewer than 600 words, can you describe what you can do that the average person on the street (who has no astrological training) cannot do?

Do not tell me about how God created this astrology.
Do not tell me of your past successes.
Do not tell me how many years of training are required.
Do not tell me of examples of famous people.
Do not tell me of the mechanism.
Do not tell me how difficult or easy it is to cast a horoscope.

Simply tell me what you can do that other people cannot do. Before you dismiss my request as not important enough to answer, let me tell you that the first requirement of the JREF $1,000,000,000 challenge (and all other skeptic challenges) is to clearly define what you are capable of doing.

[rsaavedra]

I want to believe that I am doing something based on pure science but maybe not.
Maybe not, hmmm... Maybe you just want to remain self-deluded.

[astroman818]

This is what I did last night. I walked in to the party and focused on a tall pretty woman named April she walked up and I said fire sign she said I was right. Then I said Sagittarius she said right again. Then I said 15 to 18 of Dec, she said 18 of Dec. She looked at the person next to her and said he just guessed my birthday? Then I was introduced to a whole group of women and I walked up picked out the tall one and said Aries. Yes she was an Aries. Laura the most skeptical one said me next. I saw her rising sign Gemini. So she asked me to tell her what sign she was, I said Scorpio that is what I see. She is Oct 21 cusp Scorpio Libra she was hard. another woman had certain tattoos that only a Capricorn or a Cancer would have. She was a Capricorn. Girl across the table studied her for a while, said Taurus was right. Guy sitting watching all of this finally got to him and I said Taurus Gemini. Pretty spent by this time but I was dead on, he was born right where Taurus and Gemini meet. I told them many things about their lives but I need to interact.

The Aries woman was born on April 20 right on the line between two signs. That means her parents were a bad match. We talked about her family and she cried with me.

All of these people had things in their lives that I got into, timings, relationships divorces. The timing of their sobriety. I openly talked to them about timings of thing in their lives. Not psychology, I had the answers I told them. I have to harness what I am doing.

The chances of calling three birthdays in a row of people I meet. Is 365 times 365 times 365, right? 365 times 365 is 133,225 then times that by 365 and you get 48,627,125. Getting three exact birthdays in a row has a one in 48,627,125 chance of happening. I have called hundreds of people the exact day. 1,000's within a day or two. How can I do this here?

Then much of astrology is changes. of the 4 million different personalities that are possible who are you and how do you deal with the changes that we all face in life. One thing that is for certain you all change. There is a timing for this change. But the factors effect everyone differently. I have to understand the person I am talking to to be able to see how they would deal with those changes.

Some never Marry. Some marry for breakfast the first person that said hello and there are many in between. I have to understand the person. It doesn't take me loge to get them and then I can understand the changes and how it effected them. We are all so different. There can never be a test that works on all of us. I can show how the timing of astrology works and we can put many people to it and some will do things dead on when it said they would and others would do it very differently.

[Loss Leader]

This is what I did last night.


Astroman, here's my offer to you. Put me in touch with Laura from your story. She's a lawyer, I'm a lawyer. I'll give her a call, ask her to verify that your story actually happened, ask her one or two questions that a lawyer would find trivially easy but that a lay person would not be able to answer, thank her very much and hang up.

If Laura appears to me to be a real person and verifies your story, I will support you 100%. I will call you on the phone and allow you to talk to me, read me, teach me astrology, or whatever else you want for as long as you want whenever you want.

I will report back here every single thing you tell me as though I were writing a news story.

And I will help you explain yourself and defend you to every person on this forum forever. Hell, if you want, I'll mediate the writing of a protocol to get you tested by IIG West and any other skeptic group you like.

All you have to do is send me Laura's contact information.


I bet you don't.

[Trent Wray]

So maybe you've now added faith/belief/vibes to it which take it out of the realm of something purely provable by scientific methods, and added dimensions to it which could always:

* account for accurate hits
* explain why hits were inaccurate, but the power is still valid
* use others lack of vibe-power as a reason the power failed

When you add faith, belief, vibes, etc and so forth to it .... it becomes a thing that is real to you, but is always explainable of why it does or doesn't work. You know what I'm saying?

Just something to think about --- let's say your ability/power is real for a moment. Why is it so important to you? Is it really about proving god's existence through astrology ... or is it about you being "power hungry" for the lack of a better term? And if you think the purpose of it is to benefit others or something, you might want to look and see how much it's benefitting yourself. Is it a hobby/interest with you, or something else?

[GrandMasterFox]

This is what I did last night. I walked in to the party and focused on a tall pretty woman named April she walked up and I said fire sign she said I was right.

Odds of random guess success = 1 in 4.


Then I said Sagittarius she said right again.

Odds of random guess success 1 in 3 (since you know it's a fire sign).


Then I said 15 to 18 of Dec, she said 18 of Dec.

Odds of random guess success around 4 in 31, or roughly 1 in 8.

Total odds are 1 in 96. It's frankly not that impressing and that of course is even assuming we take your word for it which we do not.

We hav no way of verifying that this took place, that you didn't have additional information on the person in question or that you asked more questions which you neglected to tell us.

Not to mention the classic, "Oh, you're on the 14, not 15? Well I was close enoguh..."

But seems that you claim that you can predict a person's birthdate from their appearance? That can easily put into a double blinded test.


The chances of calling three birthdays in a row of people I meet. Is 365 times 365 times 365, right?
If you RANDOMLY guess out of thin air, yes. If you do silly cold reading like you mentioned in the first case, it's hardly a problem. Read above to see how actual odds are.


There can never be a test that works on all of us. I can show how the timing of astrology works and we can put many people to it and some will do things dead on when it said they would and others would do it very differently.
Why? You claim that you can predict a person's birthdate without knowing anything about them except looking at them.

EASY AS HECK TO VERIFY!
No need to do anything about their life or personalities. Just call out their birthdates and you'll be fine.

[Loss Leader]

Odds of random guess success around 4 in 31, or roughly 1 in 8.


Actually, it's 4 in 29.

You calculated based on the days in December, but Sagittarius runs from November 23 to December 21. That's only 29 days.

That makes the odds 1/4 * 1/3 * 4/29, or 4/348 = 1/87

[GrandMasterFox]

Actually, it's 4 in 29.

You calculated based on the days in December, but Sagittarius runs from November 23 to December 21. That's only 29 days.

That makes the odds 1/4 * 1/3 * 4/29, or 4/348 = 1/87

I stand corrected :)

[wardenclyffe]

Even this might be testable. He could interview people using a pre-determined set of questions. After the interview, he would have to write down a birthdate. Cold reading should tell him an awful lot about people, but as long as they don't talk dates, I don't know how it could tell him what their birthday was.

Ward

[dafydd]

Actually, it's 4 in 29.

You calculated based on the days in December, but Sagittarius runs from November 23 to December 21. That's only 29 days.

That makes the odds 1/4 * 1/3 * 4/29, or 4/348 = 1/87

Don't intrude into Astroman818's fantasy world with facts and math.

[Loss Leader]

let's say your ability/power is real for a moment. Why is it so important to you? Is it really about proving god's existence through astrology ... or is it about you being "power hungry" for the lack of a better term?


It's actually pretty easy to see the need that astrology fills in Astroman's life. And it's kind of sad. From a year and a half ago, emphasis added:


I found out who has sex with who and when. That has been the most interesting thing to know yet. I have kind of been lost in the women for years. Now that I know who is mine. I am only alone by choice.


and again:


Men can have more than 15 lovers a month if they only knew what was happening. I did when I found out.


And now look how he behaved at a party (or how he fantasized he would behave, which is even sadder):


This is what I did last night. I walked in to the party and focused on a tall pretty woman named April she walked up and I said fire sign she said I was right. Then I said Sagittarius she said right again. Then I said 15 to 18 of Dec, she said 18 of Dec. She looked at the person next to her and said he just guessed my birthday? Then I was introduced to a whole group of women and I walked up picked out the tall one and said Aries. Yes she was an Aries. Laura the most skeptical one said me next. I saw her rising sign Gemini. So she asked me to tell her what sign she was, I said Scorpio that is what I see. She is Oct 21 cusp Scorpio Libra she was hard. another woman had certain tattoos that only a Capricorn or a Cancer would have. She was a Capricorn. Girl across the table studied her for a while, said Taurus was right.


Astroman may have astrological powers. Whether he does or not, it's certainly giving him sexual confidence.

[Trent Wray]

It's actually pretty easy to see the need that astrology fills in Astroman's life. And it's kind of sad. From a year and a half ago, emphasis added:





and again:





And now look how he behaved at a party (or how he fantasized he would behave, which is even sadder):





Astroman may have astrological powers. Whether he does or not, it's certainly giving him sexual confidence.Wow ... I would say you nailed it (pun intended) :)

So when they say, "Oh God!" in bed then that is confirmation that the method was decreed by god. If they don't, there is still work to be done and questions to be asked ... ;)

Seriously though, if that really is the psych behind it, then I don't want to deflate Astroman's balloon (again, pun intended) :)

[TheDoLittle]

Is it Texas, the south, or just you fell on your head too many times.

To be fair, I have been in 2 near fatal accidents. If you could name what they were and the dates that they occurred, I'd be much more susceptible to what you are peddling.

You want the whole world to see you as an idiot.

Too late
http://picasaweb.google.com/thedolittle/TheDoLittleSDesignAlbum#5264867753381085234

Putting me down doesn't make you smarter.

I wasn't attempting to put you down. I was pointing out that at almost 700 messages in this thread, you have yet to bring one piece of evidence that your astrology works.

You don't know me, my work or English very well.

You are correct. I don't know you outside of this forum. You, on the other hand, have not shown any of your work outside of a few random generalizations. If that is your work, I would seriously consider another line of employment.

I am here to talk to those that are real thinkers.

I'm a real thinker. In fact, I get paid to think. In fact, I get paid to sometimes think of unreal things.

Unless you're talking about fake thinkers. I can't help you there. You might try the CT part of the forum.

I am a thinker, I have a open mind.

Which explains the grey matter spill on the floor.

If you have an opinion about a subject you know nothing about and you voice it. What does that make you?

Ignorant... but as I take care not to voice opinions without even a modicum of personal study and discussion with those who do know more on a particular subject than me, I don't tend to make that mistake.

How will the world perceive you?

Please see pic in the above link.

People used to think the world was flat and that the earth was the center of everything.

People also used to think astrology actually worked.

Anyone with other thinking was treated much like I get treated here.

They had an internet forum back then?

Want to stay in the dark?

I don't need to. I've paid my electric bill.

I have so much to explain we will never touch it all here.

Not that we want to "touch" anything of yours, but if you could at least provide ONE piece of evidence...

When you find out your a created being and that astrology has run your life all the way till now.

Till now? What about after now?

It shows deaths in the family.

It does? Which ones die? Where do they die? When do they die? How do they die? What do they die of?

Talks about your big moves.

That's easy. I have one every morning right after my walk.

Tells me changes nothing would ever know.

If nothing knows, how would you?

The problem is that it just changes our feelings and desires.

I'm pretty confident my feelings and desires won't change because someone states a generalization of a possible and/or probable event in my future.

We still have free will.

Actually, I had to pay a hundred bucks for my will. I know there are all sorts of free services online, but I really felt I needed the advice of my attorney to make sure all the loose ends were correctly tied.

Not on our mothers death.

That's okay. She has a will, too.

But in love and work.

Is a will and a way?

Your free to come here every day and try to prove your smart by putting people like me down.

Actually I am not free to log onto this forum and put you down. That does violate the membership agreement I agreed to when I originally signed up. If you can point out where I have put you down, please show it to me and I will be happy to report myself.

But even the most difficult person has changes.

I'm willing to change. What about you?

There are 4 million personalities and a lifetime of changes for all of us. I have to teach you in 5 minutes how it works?

No, but 5 minutes of typing up some evidence on this board would help.

I need more like 5 years.

No, just 5 minutes. Unless you're a reaaaaaaaaaallllllllllyyyyy slow typist.

All I need to do is show I am on to something and I win 2.5 million.

Yes. We've been saying that all along.

I prove the existence of a God and all of you have to change your thinking forever.

We don't have to, no one could make us, but I would think it would be in all our best interest if we did.

What evidence do you have so we can start becoming penitent and change our heretical ways?

We are going to get there. I promise.

And we've been waiting. Why is it taking so long on your end?

[astroman818]

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1245091912#!/profile.php?id=1245091912 The Lawyers Facebook account, Laura Say hello. I am not a Liar. I had sexual confidence before I knew astrology. Pictures of the party are here. Go look for yourselves. ttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1245091912#!/album.php?aid=2058857&id=1200047042 I am Mark Du Boise.

[astroman818]

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1245091912#!/juliettolman
I think the pictures are open to the public I looked at them before she added me as a friend. Ashley's birthday.

[rsaavedra]

How can I do this here?
I don't believe you can. You can't do what you claim, that's what I think. Stop deluding yourself.

If you could repeat what you claim you did under controlled conditions, as in the million dollar challenge, then maybe people could start believing you, including yourself. Posting here that you did so and so, and then lamely posting links to private Facebook profiles, won't increase your credibility one single bit.

[astroman818]

I asked Laura if she would talk to one of you and she said yes. She didn't believe till last night. Ball is in your court now. Unless some of you who live here want to come meet me. I can't get any of you to even call me. My number is clearly here 818-787-8111. Your all stuck on that it is just not possible. How can Astrology have any validity? It does. I am just having a hard time finding a way to relate it. That is why I came here in the first place.

[Loss Leader]

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1245091912#!/profile.php?id=1245091912 The Lawyers Facebook account, Laura Say hello. I am not a Liar.


This Facebook information does not allow me to contact this person. There is no button to send her a message. Even when I log into my Facebook account and search for her, Facebook will not let me find her.

You are going to have to PM me with her email address, phone number or something else that I can use to contact her.

[astroman818]

I sent loss leader Laura's number. Let him come back with what she said. I am here to get help form some open minds, some thinkers. Isn't that who we are supposed to be, thinkers? I have so much work to do. I am ready to find a new world and I believe it starts here with the ones who asked questions. I asked questions and life lead me here. Just because all the others are liars and idiots doesn't make me one.

[Trent Wray]

I sent loss leader Laura's number. Let him come back with what she said. I am here to get help form some open minds, some thinkers. Isn't that who we are supposed to be, thinkers? I have so much work to do. I am ready to find a new world and I believe it starts here with the ones who asked questions. I asked questions and life lead me here. Just because all the others are liars and idiots doesn't make me one.Dude ... can I say a couple of words of advice? I think I have a pretty open mind, but I think it would benefit you to keep things in their proper place.

For example, if you believe there is "something" to astrology, then fine. Hone down what you think that you have a good handle on and put that in a "80% verifiable" category for yourself or something like that. And ask yourself questions about it, like, "what is this useful for other than picking up chicks? What is this "proof" of? What are the options that would explain it?" etc and so forth.

Then take the stuff you "think" might explain them, and keep those separate. This is the stuff you can't prove but you might jump to conclusions about. i.e. ---
* This is proof of God! He decreed it!
* We are going to enter a new world!
* astrology is 100% fact!
* there has to be a vibe for it to work!

These are conclusions you can't back up yet, so I'd let the evidence you have speak for itself and leave the conclusions in the "hypothesis" category. Defending a hypothesis that is open to interpretation which you have created to explain something that isn't 100% accurate at what you claim it is will serve you no point. You are focussing on the wrong thing. You are trying to decide what caused the forest you think you see when you're not even sure what the trees are made out of yet. You see what I'm saying? I mean, feel free to think whatever hypothesis you want ... but don't expect others to be on board with your goals or your hypothesis/explanations. Focus on the "evidence" you think you have and categorize things accordingly. The stuff that seems less accurate and more open to interpretation ... try to find out why it is so. I mean, have you even asked yourself why it seems to mostly work on women (just from what I've gathered from your few posts)? If you really feel there is a "vibe" ... examine things from all angles then. Are the women drunk? Are they more open to being manipulated and/or lying to get in your pants etc? What are their ages? What was the common denominator amongst them? Were they willing to "believe"? And what did you actually accomplish by revealing some dates and stuff to them? You see what I'm saying? I mean, maybe the vibe were those pheremones which may or may not exist? Maybe the vibe was just your hormonal mojo at work? It just seems like you're all over the place and if you want people to look at it scientifically ... then you'll have to be willing to have your claims scrutinized and broken down into tiny parts and all angles. If you don't want that, then you're looking for "believers" which is your own thing. But realize that some will believe in you, or what you think, and some won't. The ones who believe in you and astrology / god / whatever will make you think you're onto something. Those who don't will make you think you merely need to tweak things, but that you're still onto something. But that's not that reliable.

Anyway, just my 2 cents for what it's worth. So what can you do over the phone anyway? What will that show you that you can't do online? Is it the "vibe"? If so, why do you think that is? Examine it. Anyway, I'm game and I'd be willing to do the phone and post whatever the results are. I have nothing personally vested in astrology or it's results one way or another. Never even really considered it at all tbh. But I do think stuff like this can be interesting and fun ...

[astroman818]

I am not currently dating, too busy and I am sober. So are all these people. Wait for his answer I am sick of talking here to people that act like children I want to move forward. So I am looking for a way to do that. Lets wait for the call. Laura will tell him what she saw me do and he will report it. In a court of law the jury would here the witnesses, right? Just because all of you believe it can never be possible, doesn't make you right. I think I need to get an idea of the person I am reading so I can see how they operate. I need to interact. We all go through similar changes. We all deal with them differently. I am mostly here to prove the changes exist and I want to show how they work and with what timing. The freedom of choice we all live with lets us do what we want with those influences. Do you think I would be here without doing my homework? The minute I try to break it down I loose every one and they say I am not speaking English anymore. There is a timing to Astrology. The signs that make people up have physical features that I can see. Influences on their behavior. Eye color is a big one. Height is also one of the features. Nose shapes. Thin verses more curvy figures. Hair color. So in many ways this influences Genes. Yes!! I have so much to show you all.

Most powerful thing is the connection between people. Friends Lovers. This is where astrology is flawless. This is where I will make the most money. I am trying not to use that to prove astrology. A future dating site is coming. I want to get to work with other great minds. I am here to share my knowledge.

[Sledge]

I think I need to get an idea of the person I am reading so I can see how they operate. I need to interact.
Yeah, cold reading is so much easier when you get information about the person.

[astroman818]

Your just not getting it at all. Some of us never marry, right? So how can I pick a marriage date for that person. I have a son that got married at 21 years old I got married at 23. I have twins sons that will probably never marry ever. My older brother got married at 38. We all are so different. Tell me I am wrong.

[AdinDraco]

Your just not getting it at all. Some of us never marry, right? So how can I pick a marriage date for that person. I have a son that got married at 21 years old I got married at 23. I have twins sons that will probably never marry ever. My older brother got married at 38. We all are so different. Tell me I am wrong.

????? Is non-sequitor the correct fallacy I'm seeing here? (Seriously, is it?) Any more incoherent and it would qualify for the WTF fallacy.

[Sledge]

Your just not getting it at all. Some of us never marry, right? So how can I pick a marriage date for that person. I have a son that got married at 21 years old I got married at 23. I have twins sons that will probably never marry ever. My older brother got married at 38. We all are so different. Tell me I am wrong.

You're wrong.

I'm not sure what you're wrong about, because what you just posted didn't make a lick of sense, but I think it's safe to assume you're wrong.

[Trent Wray]

I am not currently dating, too busy and I am sober. So are all these people. Wait for his answer I am sick of talking here to people that act like children I want to move forward. So I am looking for a way to do that. Lets wait for the call. Laura will tell him what she saw me do and he will report it. In a court of law the jury would here the witnesses, right? Just because all of you believe it can never be possible, doesn't make you right. I think I need to get an idea of the person I am reading so I can see how they operate. I need to interact. We all go through similar changes. We all deal with them differently. I am mostly here to prove the changes exist and I want to show how they work and with what timing. The freedom of choice we all live with lets us do what we want with those influences. Do you think I would be here without doing my homework? The minute I try to break it down I loose every one and they say I am not speaking English anymore. There is a timing to Astrology. The signs that make people up have physical features that I can see. Influences on their behavior. Eye color is a big one. Height is also one of the features. Nose shapes. Thin verses more curvy figures. Hair color. So in many ways this influences Genes. Yes!! I have so much to show you all.

Most powerful thing is the connection between people. Friends Lovers. This is where astrology is flawless. This is where I will make the most money. I am trying not to use that to prove astrology. A future dating site is coming. I want to get to work with other great minds. I am here to share my knowledge.So if you need to interact, hows that dating site going to work? Or is that going to be just for the income?

ETA: and you really are sober?

[GrandMasterFox]

First, Astroman, you can drop the whole repeatitive statements of "I'm only going to talk to open thinkers", we are all open thinkers here.
Saying someone who doesn't agree with you isn't an open thinker doesn't show much of yourself.

Second, we're not going to wait to hear from Laura, you're analogy of a court of law shows how little you understand. I can give you plenty of people who swear that Sylvia Browne is real from "personal experience". That means absolutely nothing.
Even non-psychic con men have plenty of people who still swear they're real.
Not to mention she could be your partner in crime...

Let me try and make a suggestion to move this forward indeed.
So far, it seems clear to most of us that what you're doing is cold reading. You're saying it's not by constantly trying to tell us how real your astrology is.

Instead of that, why not tell us how what you are doing is simply not cold reading? please take up at least 10 minutes, do some internet searching on "cold reading". There's PLENTY of information on it.
Once you read a little about it, please return to us and explain to us what is the difference between "cold reading" and "your astrology".

[dafydd]

Your just not getting it at all. Some of us never marry, right? So how can I pick a marriage date for that person. I have a son that got married at 21 years old I got married at 23. I have twins sons that will probably never marry ever. My older brother got married at 38. We all are so different. Tell me I am wrong.

You are wrong.

[wardenclyffe]

astroman818,

Have you applied for any of those challenges, like your local IIG challenge? If not, why not?

Ward

[EHocking]

Your just not getting it at all. Some of us never marry, right? So how can I pick a marriage date for that person. I have a son that got married at 21 years old I got married at 23. I have twins sons that will probably never marry ever. My older brother got married at 38. We all are so different. Tell me I am wrong.Nearly a year ago I posted my date of birth on this thread.

Tell me when I got married.

I will PM anyone on this thread with the date and verification beforehand - just nominate someone you trust.

Show us then using this date.

30 July 1962

[rsaavedra]

The signs that make people up have physical features that I can see. Influences on their behavior. Eye color is a big one. Height is also one of the features. Nose shapes. Thin verses more curvy figures. Hair color. So in many ways this influences Genes. Yes!! I have so much to show you all.
Oh, the irony. And there's so much evidence for you to gather, so much basic statistics for you to learn, so much confirmation bias to become aware of, so much delusion to clear out...

[rsaavedra]

Instead of that, why not tell us how what you are doing is simply not cold reading? please take up at least 10 minutes, do some internet searching on "cold reading". There's PLENTY of information on it.
Once you read a little about it, please return to us and explain to us what is the difference between "cold reading" and "your astrology".
That comment is worth expanding, because indeed, whatever astroman is doing, it isn't really astrology. Dates of birth, or people's signs, or their ascendants (rather, the data needed to calculate it: birth time + birth place) are all data inputs for the astrologer, from which to derive the birth chart and other things, but are not things to be guessed by the astrologer; by coldreaders, psychic wannabees and other delusional types, maybe, but in general, not by (the delusional type of) astrologers. Though they commonly do pattern matching using astrological stereotypes, and commonly try to guess, for example, ascendants or signs, it is not part of their "formal" methodologies, astrological techniques, or tasks to guess people signs or ascendants, much less birth dates.

[Cuddles]

the planets themselves have nothing to do with it.

Every planet has a cycle of its own and a meaning.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consistency

[dafydd]

astroman818,

Have you applied for any of those challenges, like your local IIG challenge? If not, why not?

Ward

Because he knows that he would fail.

[Pure Argent]

Oct 19 is 4 days from Oct 23 the end of Libra. So fast forward every five years from there. You become a Sagittarius at 34.

Uh. No? Pretty sure I stay a Libra...

So the highlights of your Sun sign change are 19,24,29,34,39,44,49,54,59. Remember to always subtract 6 months. So April 16 every year you change, But at the ages of 18,23,28,33,38,43,48,53,58. On about
April 16 you have the big changes for your life.

O_o

Mmkay... I'll get back to you...

[AvalonXQ]

I sent loss leader Laura's number. Let him come back with what she said.

I'm intrigued to hear Loss Leader's report of his conversation with Laura.

[AvalonXQ]

Why suspend me? I am a sweet nice person that treats everyone with love and kindness. It is not ok to call my children gay and say my brother is married to his sister. Suspend those who deserve it. I want this behavior to stop. I am an adult and I expect other adults to treat me with love and respect. I can put up with the name calling when it is just me but my family members, that is just one step over the line. I have been in touch with www.iigwest.org for years. I don't want to say that everyone here is over the line. But we have now crossed it in my book so it is time to clean up the comments.

Then edit your last post to remove your own aggressive words and shouting and let their unreasonable remarks speak for themselves.

ETA: Too late; there goes the mod.

[Tricky]

A few posts containing insults et. al. moved to AAH. Keep this thread civil and discuss the topic. All of you.

[wardenclyffe]

astroman818,

If, as you say, you "have been in touch with www.iigwest.org for years," then why has there been no test set up? If I recall correctly from way back earlier in this thread (last year some time), you said that you had been in touch with IIG years before, but not recently. If that's still true, why not? This is worth $50K and it would certainly get you the press coverage and academic interest that would qualify you for the Million Dollar Challenge if you pass the test.

Ward

P.S. I hope you are not lumping me in with the people that you feel are attacking you. I didn't say that you would be suspended. I just feared that you might be. So far, I'm happy I'm wrong.

[Loss Leader]

Astroman did PM me a phone number. I was too busy to call today. I'll make a point of calling at about 1:00 p.m. Eastern tomorrow. Set your disappointment clocks.

[Trent Wray]

Set your disappointment clocks. Mine won't shut off :)

[Sideroxylon]

You have ignored a lot of good advice and just talked at everyone the whole thread.

Someone many pages back suggested you read up on cold reading. Have you done that yet? Have you considered that you might be just fooling yourself? If so, what have you done to rule that possibility out?

[AvalonXQ]

Less than two hours until dramatic lawyer-on-lawyer action commences!

[AvalonXQ]

Astroman did PM me a phone number. I was too busy to call today. I'll make a point of calling at about 1:00 p.m. Eastern tomorrow. Set your disappointment clocks.

How'd the call go?

[Loss Leader]

1:47 pm. Will call in twenty minutes. Sorry to keep people waiting, but it turns out I have a job.

[Loss Leader]

Called. Got voicemail. Left message asking her to call or email me.

Once again, I appologize for the non-excitement.

[Trent Wray]

Called. Got voicemail. Left message asking her to call or email me.

Once again, I appologize for the non-excitement. You are like the stargate to a new world that is awaiting, well, the whole world! :clap::hb:

[AvalonXQ]

Any word yet?

[Loss Leader]

Although I left my work phone number and email address, I have not heard from Laura. I have no desire to continue bothering a woman who does not know me and who I am not sure welcomes any contact. Thus, I will not call her again.



ETA: Fixed as per Avalon

[AvalonXQ]

Laura, you mean.

[wardenclyffe]

astroman818 has been suspended for a month according to the Forum Management section of the JREF Forum. Sounds like it'll be pretty quiet in this thread for a while, unless we actually hear from Laura.

Ward

[Ladewig]

astroman818 has been suspended for a month according to the Forum Management section of the JREF Forum.

The notices says "threats." Does anyone know what these threats were or are we not allowed to talk about it?

[Trent Wray]

He's suspended? That must mean his birthday is 6 months away ...

[AvalonXQ]

The notices says "threats." Does anyone know what these threats were or are we not allowed to talk about it?

Another poster made some VERY inappropriate comments involving family members of his and incest.
He responded by calling those "fighting words" and claiming that he would likely physically assault the poster if the insults had occurred face-to-face.