The 9/11 Mystery Plane

[zorro99]

The 9/11 Mystery Plane: And The Vanishing of America (Paperback)
by Mark H. Gaffney (Author), Dr. David Ray Griffin (Foreword)

Unlike other accounts of the historic attacks on 9/11, this discussion surveys the role of the world’s most advanced military command and control plane, the E-4B, in the day’s events and proposes that the horrific incidents were the work of a covert operation staged within elements of the U.S. military and the intelligence community. Presenting hard evidence in the form of proprietary photos taken from raw footage filmed by CNN, the account places the world’s most advanced electronics platform circling over the White House at approximately the time of the Pentagon attack.

http://www.amazon.com/11-Mystery-Plane-Vanishing-America/dp/0979988608/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217700259&sr=1-2

Wayne Madsen has excerpts:

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20080731

[defaultdotxbe]

Presenting hard evidence in the form of proprietary photos taken from raw footage filmed by CNN
maybe my standards are too high, but how do screencaps constitute hard evidence?

[~enigma~]

The 9/11 Mystery Plane

Quote:
Unlike other accounts of the historic attacks on 9/11, this discussion surveys the role of the world’s most advanced military command and control plane, the E-4B, in the day’s events and proposes that the horrific incidents were the work of a covert operation staged within elements of the U.S. military and the intelligence community. Presenting hard evidence in the form of proprietary photos taken from raw footage filmed by CNN, the account places the world’s most advanced electronics platform circling over the White House at approximately the time of the Pentagon attack.

If the plane was a mystery as the title says, why do they know it's an E-4B? Must not have been a mystery after all. Sort of as idiotic as claiming the freemasons are a secret society that is known.

[Quad4_72]

The 9/11 Mystery Plane: And The Vanishing of America (Paperback)
by Mark H. Gaffney (Author), Dr. David Ray Griffin (Foreword)



http://www.amazon.com/11-Mystery-Plane-Vanishing-America/dp/0979988608/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217700259&sr=1-2

Wayne Madsen has excerpts:

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20080731

Its actually a very well done book. The author creates a fictional story about the role of the U.S. government's involvement in the attacks of September 11th. Gaffney's imagination comes alive in this book and makes for a very enticing fantasy. You can pretend like you are a detective uncovering the largest conspiracy in the history of the planet Earth based on the clever clues that Gaffney has pulled from the depths of his own creative mind. Leave your logic at the door, and let this book take you into a world not based on reality, but on the very essence of paranoia itself. A very exciting read!

[jhunter1163]

Doesn't an E4B have a big honkin' radar antenna thing on it? They're not exactly inconspicuous. Did anyone report seeing an E4B near the Pentagon that day? And if they did, would it be unusual seeing as DC is the nation's capital after all?

[~enigma~]

Someone want to explain how the plane was a mystery if it was identified?

[roundhead]

Doesn't an E4B have a big honkin' radar antenna thing on it? They're not exactly inconspicuous. Did anyone report seeing an E4B near the Pentagon that day? And if they did, would it be unusual seeing as DC is the nation's capital after all?


What would be unusual about it is if it were there as the Pentagon was hit, but nothing from Langley or the Presidents airstrip was able to make it(IE FIGHTER JETS)

[roundhead]

Someone want to explain how the plane was a mystery if it was identified?

The Mystery might mean why was it there, and no fighters?

[WildCat]

What would be unusual about it is if it were there as the Pentagon was hit, but nothing from Langley or Presidents airstrip was able to make it(IE FIGHTER JETS)
What is unusual? Please be specific.

[~enigma~]

the Presidents airstrip was able to make it(IE FIGHTER JETS)
The president has his own airstrip and personal fighter jets? Where, at his ranch in Texas?

[jhunter1163]

As has been explained here ad nauseam, the fighters' response time was too slow for them to be able to intercept 77. My questions remain unanswered. How was the "mystery plane" identified as an E4B, and would it be unusual to see an E4B in the sky over our nation's capital?

[~enigma~]

The Mystery might mean why was it there, and no fighters?
That could be but the title specifically calls it a mystery plane. But then again, I could understand the truther literary problem...

[Caustic Logic]

As has been explained here ad nauseam, the fighters' response time was too slow for them to be able to intercept 77. My questions remain unanswered. How was the "mystery plane" identified as an E4B, and would it be unusual to see an E4B in the sky over our nation's capital?

White, four engines (modified 747), widely seen, photographed, videotaped, broadcast, often confused with Flight 77 (reports of it flying over the capitol are usually referring to this). Linda Brookhart's famous photo:
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/chainsawmoth/FrustratingFraud/E4B_Brookhart.jpg
I don't know how unusual it is, but many people felt it was unusual, flying over restricted airspace. Four of these "Doomsday planes" were part of the Global Guardian exercise happening that morning. This is probably one.

It's not officially acknowledged but in every other way. CNN did a segment on it even. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUUF7a42qz8 The 84 RADES radar data farmer obtained shows it taking off from Andrews AFB at 9:43, flying north over the east side of the capitol at 9:45, west along its north edge, looping north and passing south over its west edge again at 9:49.

So I dunno, is that unusual?

I pre-ordered the book, he's not a CIT-Pffft level liar, but I don't really hold high hopes for it. 9:32? (http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com/2007/11/another-six-back.html) He's in good company there - Terral Lee Croft and Barbara Honegger are the other two champions of a case built on two wall clocks that had fallen and stopped at attack time - and had their hands wind up lower, pointing at 9:30-32. Broken clocks + gravity? Or 9:32 attack? It's no Essene secret that Gaffney chose the latter (if couched as "might it be," etc.)

I have to say, not promising. But I'll see how the book is.

[jhunter1163]

How could this plane be the flyover plane if it didn't take off till six minutes after the attack?

[Caustic Logic]

How could this plane be the flyover plane if it didn't take off till six minutes after the attack?

"Ambiguous blending," faked radar, etc... In other words, Twoofer BS. I don't think that's Gaffney's case, but Farmer sorta suggested it recently, and he's been consulting on the book.

[SezMe]

Presenting hard evidence in the form of proprietary photos taken from raw footage filmed by CNN maybe my standards are too high, but how do screencaps constitute hard evidence?
And how do they become proprietary to anybody other than CNN?

[doctoraudit]

And why would you need to fly the E-4B low over the capitol? Would not its radar and communications system work just as well at altitude?

[SDC]

What are "proprietary photos"? Without cruising the dictionary, the phrase sounds like, "someone owns them." How does that make them better?

Language inflation.

[fitzgibbon]

SDC,

The irony is that the video footage from CNN would be the truly "proprietary" component of that equation. Wonder if they bothered to do something as mundane in publishing as 'clearance'?

And doctoraudit? You seem to forget that in twooferland, like all Bondian supervillains, the Bush administration has this Achilles heel about setting everything up perfectly for a faked plane crash except for one astonishingly stupid oversight. Sort of like the fracas going on over in the AA77 FDR Data, Explained thread. You know, the government set everything up, knocked over light poles while everyone was distracted, blew holes in the Pentagon, placed bodies and plane parts and somehow overlooked something as basic as making the fake FDR data match the observed flight path.

HTH
Fitz

[doobiedoright]

Seems to me with the issues of transponders and all .Putting one of those baby's in the air is a very prudent thing to do......no?

[Reheat]

Troofers dearly love these "mysteries" for which they know no one can answer with authority. The flying schedule for any USAF combat asset is not published anywhere for public consumption. More so, the E4B is a sensitive platform for which the USAF will not publish any information other than general generic stuff such as that it does exist. That's all of the information that will be published regardless of the number of troofer's that imply that it had some nefarious purpose regarding 9/11.

It's quite obvious that it was at Andrews for one of the NORAD exercises, probably Global Guardian. That exercise was a Command level Command Post Exercise (CPX) so logically an E4B would be involved. It is a COMMUNICATIONS PLATFORM, not necessarily an advanced electronics platform that is suggested by the idiot writing a book. There is a huge difference.

Another issue is that the photos do not prove it was in prohibited airspace at all. P-56 is quite small and covers only the White House and Capitol area. Besides the fact that it is not so uncommon that the airspace is violated periodically anyway.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/03/national/main505323.shtml

The issue of the E4B is really a non-issue to anyone besides a troofer. They will continue to exploit it, adding mystery and intrigue forever simply because it is one of the few elements which they know no one will ever answer authoritatively.

[Reheat]

Seems to me with the issues of transponders and all .Putting one of those baby's in the air is a very prudent thing to do......no?

Please don't confuse an E4B with an AWACS. They are two different platforms used for different purposes.

The E4B is a communications platform, whereas the AWACS is essentially a Radar platform and would have the ability to interrogate a transponder. The E4B would not have that capability.

[pomeroo]

The 9/11 Mystery Plane: And The Vanishing of America (Paperback)
by Mark H. Gaffney (Author), Dr. David Ray Griffin (Foreword)



http://www.amazon.com/11-Mystery-Plane-Vanishing-America/dp/0979988608/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217700259&sr=1-2

Wayne Madsen has excerpts:

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20080731


Wayne Madsen is scarily insane. He is bat-guano bonkers beyond Ace Baker or Heiwa. He gives Killclown a run for his money.

[WildCat]

"Ambiguous blending," faked radar, etc... In other words, Twoofer BS. I don't think that's Gaffney's case, but Farmer sorta suggested it recently, and he's been consulting on the book.
The book has a forward written by David Ray Griffin, looks like truther BS through and through.

[Norseman]

Here is the official fact sheet on the E-4B:
http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=99

From the fact sheet:
Mission
The E-4B serves as the National Airborne Operations Center for the president, secretary of defense and the Joint Chiefs of Staff or JCS. In case of national emergency or destruction of ground command control centers, the aircraft provides a highly survivable, command, control and communications center to direct U.S. forces, execute emergency war orders and coordinate actions by civil authorities.

The bolded text explains why an aircraft like the E-4B would and should be ordered into the air as consequence of the september 11th attacks.

Here is a lengthy Wikipedia entry on the E4-B and its role:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-4B

From the Wikipedia article:
On September 11, 2001, an aircraft closely resembling an E-4B was spotted orbiting the Washington D.C. area by news outlets and citizens, during the attack on the Pentagon. This aircraft sighting has added fuel to the continued speculation and debate concerning the 9-11 attacks.[3] In his book "Black Ice" author Dan Verton identifies this aircraft as an E-4B taking part in the 2001 operational exercise "Global Guardian". The exercise was cancelled when the first plane struck the World Trade Center, and the E-4B which was waiting on the tarmac at Andrews AFB in Washington D.C. immediately took off, and was seen circling the Nation's Capital at low altitude during the attack on the Pentagon.


It looks like all four E-4B's were ordered into the air on september 11th, if we can trust the authors use of sources in this article that got a truther twist:
http://www.huliq.com/34171/new-details-about-the-9-11-mystery-jet-plane

What the author does not get is that there is no mystery in the fact that the E4-Bs were in the air on september 11th. It would have been the opposite that would have called for questions. That would have been why wasn't an asset like the E4-B, designed to ensure continuation of command and control, not put into action in a situation where the nation were under an attack of unknown size and extent.

[KDLarsen]

Presenting hard evidence in the form of proprietary photos taken from raw footage filmed by CNN.
Wait, I thought the CNN were in on it and had faked all of the footage from that day? :boggled:

[gumboot]

The clue to why the E-4Bs were in the air is that after the close of the Cold War there wasn't as much of a use for the four aircraft. One is kept at Andrews AFB on stand by, but the other three are routinely seconded to FEMA for managing disaster relief. I suspect that with the E-4Bs ready to fly for the Guardian exercises, FEMA grabbed control of them to oversee disaster relief in Washington and New York.

And just to reiterate some facts others have pointed out:

-The E-4B is a communications platform not a surveillance platform
-The aircraft took off after the Pentagon was hit
-If the "bad guys" wanted a secret bunker to control the attack from it wouldn't be a friggen modified 747 flying directly over the targets that were hit by other aircraft