This is simply sad and scary and...I don't even know

[VicDaring]

From the Rapture Ready board
Sexless Marriage (http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?threadid=112567&perpage=25&pagenumber=1)

Take a few minutes and read this one. Then thank yourself for having a rational streak.

[WildCat]

No mystery here. Someone married a homosexual.

[Tez]

Sad.

A little bizarre.

But sad...

[Phil]

He's gay.

Talk about a dry spell. Maybe I should offer my services . . . Gotta go!!

[TruthSeeker]

She should find out what he thinks about when he pleasures himself....he may have a nonhomosexual fetish

Many homosexual people are capable of heterosexual relations (that's why so many managed to be married, have children and pursue homosexual affairs). However, many men with very strong paraphilias (esp. pedophilia) are incapable of performing with a woman yet can masturbate successfully.

I feel terribly sad for this woman. She should leave him and start again.

[Marquis de Carabas]

I have been down on my knees... down on my face.. praying to god
Perhaps she's not doing the right things when down on her knees?

[VicDaring]

Maybe I should offer my services . . . Gotta go!!

I bet she'd scream like a banshee.

It's hard to resist joking, but wow! This woman's life is hell. She's seriously contemplating suicide.

As I see it, she's got the following options:

1. Cheat
2. Buy a huge dildo
3. The afformentioned "suicide solution"
4. Divorce
5. Live with it

Those are pretty much the choices. She should be evaluating the merits or each and making a rational decision about how to live her life while she's still relatively young.

And what does she get from that group?
"Don't sin."
"Pray."
"Don't give in to the flesh."
"There is no happiness outside God's plan."
And she even gets into the act herself, "Maybe I just don't love Jesus enough." Yeah, that's probably it.

I just feel sad for her. She has no idea that just letting go of her superstition would relieve a lot of pain.

[TruthSeeker]

Is it possible to post to her as a guest? I really don't want to register...anyone know how?

[TruthSeeker]

Oh no....I kept reading and it is as I thought. She says the marriage counsellors (Christian no doubt) advised her as follows:

4. I need to submit to whatever my husband's wants and desires are, and must submit to him in the marriage bed... and if that means allowing him to think about wounded women.. or wounding myself so that he can get turned on.. I should do it...


Because he can only get aroused by violence against women.

She needs to get out of there and quick or she may end up seriously hurt or even killed.

[Phil]

All right, I'm beginning to get very concerned for this woman, damn it. Can we get in there and offer some reason somehow without registering? Anybody know?

[TruthSeeker]

a few have been brave enough to tell her to consider divorce.

This poor poor woman.

[RCNelson]

4. I need to submit to whatever my husband's wants and desires are, and must submit to him in the marriage bed... and if that means allowing him to think about wounded women.. or wounding myself so that he can get turned on.. I should do it... What if he's into necrophilia?

[Lord Kenneth]

Originally posted by RCNelson
What if he's into necrophilia?


Like that Jesus bastard who was into S&M?

[shemp]

Originally posted by Phil
He's gay.

Talk about a dry spell. Maybe I should offer my services . . . Gotta go!!

To which one of them?

[Suezoled]

That is horrible. She's supposed to hurt herself? She being told it's better to hurt herself or let herself be hurt rather than sin?

I'd keep up the divorce thing. Tell her God didn't intend for his children to suffer at the hands of another, or something.

Just get her out.

[Phil]

Originally posted by shemp


To which one of them? :roll: I'll take the wife, and you can service the husband.

[Zep]

I read it through to the end, and the following points came up later:

1. At least one poster had the guts to tell he to get out of the marriage NOW because the husband was basically a sick pervert. Kudos to that poster, at least.

2. As mentioned above, her "Christian counsellors" seemed to offer her THE most dangerous and frightening advice I could possibly conceive for a woman in that situation - stay, submit, "it's all your fault," pray. :eek: I was stunned, truly stunned. And sickened. If that's the best they can do, give me a Jewish psychiatrist.

3. Her story was NOT unique, for crying out loud! Other posters had similar stories, and they, too, seemed not to have dealt with their issues very well. Dysfunctional couples seem to abound in the RaptureReady world... Coincidence??

4. Most of the posters seemed more than ready not only to hand over all responsibility to God to bale them out of their marriage crises, they also seem unable to deal with the issue that their readiness to do so has seeded to the problem in the first place.

5. None of these posters could see the fact that it was a repressive Christian upbringing and lifestyle such as that which RR espouses that seemed to be the main contributor to the whole mess. Ergo, the obvious solution: Get a REAL life outside of their religious beliefs. Did not Christ also have day-to-day worries to deal with in his (sorry, His) time? I'm sure even he (He) was able to recover from a bruised thumb in his (His) father's carpentry shop without such lamentable wailing to God...

[Dancing David]

AAAAARRRRGH!
I hate it when churches support domestic violence.

Scumbags.

[Eos of the Eons]

So, no actual news on his actual problem? NO docs have said he's impotent or just uninterested? Does porn turn the guy on?

If she doesn't know any of that, then they aren't trying hard enough to discover the real problem.

What about viagra? What does he think about when m*?

Oh, found out...

my husband does masterbate, and is able to find release.. however, only when fantasizing about "wounded women"... women with bullet holes.. arrows... bruises.. blood... etc.

Umm, the guy is warped..

Yes, i'm not very sympathetic right now...I just don't hear enough about real solutions tried. What kind of 'counsellors' and 'specialists' did he see that none of them worked?

Did they ever try renting porn...and when he m*...can't he go from m* to her before he's 'relieved'? Or does he just go soft at the sight of her no matter what? Maybe she can smear some fake blood on her until he's used to her more and his fantasy less...

[UnrepentantSinner]

I'm half tempted to think scarlet is a troll, but given all the sexless wierdness from the other members of the board, the obsession with her affairs (as opposed to her weirdo husband) and worthless advice from people who clearly don't know what they hell they're talking about makes me feel she's probably legit.

And there was this "piece of advice."

What you've shared with the board about your husband's backround indicates to me spiritual bondage. I've read of many individuals who've been sexually abused and later discovered that there was also an evil spiritual entity involved. Families can often deal with satanic oppression for generations and often can be passed down through abuse. Yes, some of these families can be christians, more often than not christians are targeted by satan for oppression to inhibit the Good News being spread. Abuse tends to be the opening for satan to become involved with families, as well as occultic activities generations past, ect.

Christ gave us an example in the bible how to rid yourself and others of demonic oppression. Using the name of Jesus Christ out loud against satan. There is power in the name of Jesus Christ, which is one of the reasons we are not to take His name in vain. In the new testament Christ taught his desciples this and sent them out on their own to cast out demons by the power of Jesus' name. When they returned to report their successes Jesus answered, "I saw satan falling from the sky" (that was a paraphrase due to lack of time to look up the scripture).

So yelling "Jesus Christ" at your husband will cure him of the demons that are making him not want to have sex with you? Crazy man... crazy...

[reprise]

So yelling "Jesus Christ" at your husband will cure him of the demons that are making him not want to have sex with you? Crazy man... crazy...

If yelling "Jesus Christ" drives out demons, what does yelling "oh god" do (maybe I have paranormal powers and I don't even know it)?

Having read a number of other threads in the "We That Struggle" forum over there, my money would be on scarlett being legit, which makes most of the advice she's been given even more scary. :mad:

[hgc]

Eos:

Oh, found out...
my husband does masterbate, and is able to find release.. however, only when fantasizing about "wounded women"... women with bullet holes.. arrows... bruises.. blood... etc.Umm, the guy is warped..She needs to rent him the movie "Crash" as soon as possible. This might do the trick.

[Ruby]

Originally posted by VicDaring
From the Rapture Ready board
Sexless Marriage (http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?threadid=112567&perpage=25&pagenumber=1)

Take a few minutes and read this one. Then thank yourself for having a rational streak.

Oh my goodness...this is horrific. I just read the whole thread and feel sick. That poor woman. She needs to divorce this man right away before any semblance of life is completely taken from her. Most of the advice given is awful...but to be expected.

I can relate to her suffering and feeling that "God" is not helping her. That in itself is insidious. The emotional torture in her mind from just feeling utter rejection from a "God" who is supposed to love and protect her is enough to call for years of counseling to get over it. I know...been there! :(

[Ruby]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
Is it possible to post to her as a guest? I really don't want to register...anyone know how?

I think you have to register. I have been registered on that forum for awhile...but have not posted in ages. I just posted in the thread in question. I posted carefully......because if I post as an unbeliever, I will not get notice and only get wrath. I posted in a somewhat liberal Christian type vein.

It only take a moment to register. I say we gang up and get this woman OUT of her marriage.:p

[Suezoled]

Couldn't a battered women's shelter or something help her? Granted, it would have to be on her initiative, but could someone mention it? Or did someone and I missed it?

[VicDaring]

Originally posted by Ruby
I just posted in the thread in question. I posted carefully......because if I post as an unbeliever, I will not get notice and only get wrath. I posted in a somewhat liberal Christian type vein.

Thanks Ruby. I read your post and I'll bet even that rational approach will get blasted by some of the fundies over there.

I considered registering, but here's the problem: I would be incapable of hiding my contempt for the general Rapture Ready populace. So not only would I get banned in about an hour, I'm afraid anything I said would cause harm. She'd be likely to do exactly the opposite of anything a godless heathen (like me) suggested. And the crowd there would surely steer her in that direction.

"See what the minions of Satan tell you? Don't be fooled by their evil ways. You need to ask for God's forgiveness now more than ever...blah, blah, blah."

[LFTKBS]

Those people are sick. Scarletakb, her husband, and every poster except for the one who said to leave the marriage are totally off their rockers.

Do you see, Jesus freaks, why premarital sex can be a very good thing? She would have known he was a nutjob! But nooooo . . . you have to stay pure so that after that happy, holy day your husband can masturbate to visions of injured and bleeding women and be a 42 year old virgin.

Hey, I have a question: wasn't it worth all that waiting, scarletakb, for that magical wedding night?

[TruthSeeker]

Thank you Ruby. That is an excellent post.

You have identified the reason I left Christianity ~ I was told (and believed and suffered as a result) that God did not answer my prayers because I was somehow defective, perhaps because of a previous generation. It was horrible. I'm glad to be free of it.

I think I will wait to see how you are responded to before I throw my hat in the ring. It brings up lots of anger and contempt for me.

[Phil]

Nice job, Ruby!!

Good message without disenchanting anyone. Let's hope it sinks in.

[pgwenthold]

I think she should ask her husband's permission to have sex with another guy.

If he approves, is it really adultery?

[VicDaring]

Originally posted by Phil
Nice job, Ruby!!
Good message without disenchanting anyone. Let's hope it sinks in.

Well, so much for sinking in.

You know what then, Scarlet? Live with it. And if you wind up blowing your own brains in a couple more years, well, guess that was God's plan.

Idiots.

Edited to say: Man! They honk me off so bad I can't even write in complete sentences.

[TruthSeeker]

she sounds just like the abused woman she is.

"Other than X, he's wonderful. I loooooooooove him so don't want to leave him"

Where X can equal physical abuse, addiction, or Scarlet's problem

The affairs will continue because it allows her to feel bad about herself and thus justifies her husband's treatment of her.

[pgwenthold]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
she sounds just like the abused woman she is.

"Other than X, he's wonderful. I loooooooooove him so don't want to leave him"

Where X can equal physical abuse, addiction, or Scarlet's problem


The word you are looking for is "neglect."

[Ruby]

Originally posted by VicDaring


Thanks Ruby. I read your post and I'll bet even that rational approach will get blasted by some of the fundies over there.

I considered registering, but here's the problem: I would be incapable of hiding my contempt for the general Rapture Ready populace. So not only would I get banned in about an hour, I'm afraid anything I said would cause harm. She'd be likely to do exactly the opposite of anything a godless heathen (like me) suggested. And the crowd there would surely steer her in that direction.

"See what the minions of Satan tell you? Don't be fooled by their evil ways. You need to ask for God's forgiveness now more than ever...blah, blah, blah."

You are right. Although I did not get blasted........I did get some mini sermons from posting. The thing I hate is that the person who started the thread was very upset by my posting.....at least her angry comments in a new post suggest she is referring to my statements...although she does not quote or reply to me directly. I had to bow my head and get out of the thread.

I am wondering if she is a troll due to how she has just posted....only because she seems to want to call Christians out on condoning divorce, but saying adultery is wrong. Either that, or she just wants someone to tell her she should have an affair. :confused:

[Ruby]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
Thank you Ruby. That is an excellent post.

You have identified the reason I left Christianity ~ I was told (and believed and suffered as a result) that God did not answer my prayers because I was somehow defective, perhaps because of a previous generation. It was horrible. I'm glad to be free of it.

I think I will wait to see how you are responded to before I throw my hat in the ring. It brings up lots of anger and contempt for me.

Yep, I can relate. I am SO glad to hear you are free!! One of the driving forces behind my leaving Christianity behind was the lack of answered prayer and unending suffering. I was depressed, social phobia, and anxiety ridden. I had to endure being told I might have demons or some sort of generational curse. I sought so much prayer for the depression...which was very severe.....but nothing helped.

My cure has come through leaving christianity behind. The social phobia that crippled my life to where I could not leave my home is almost gone now. I am "recovering". Without the guilt, fear and condemnation that Christinaity puts on you...and without the incessant belief that demons are around every corner, I have been able to come out of my shell of phobic shyness and start living.

I am driving all over now.....and going alone to many places. "God" never did that for me. I feel more free and real than I ever had before. Christianity was just a prison for me. It was a breeding ground for fear and phobias of all sorts.:mad:

Anyhow, I did not so well by posting on RR.:(

[Ipecac]

That was one of the most disgusting things I've ever read. A bunch of morons debating issues they don't understand and applying archaic standards that make no sense.

Ruby was one of the only ones that made any sense. Nice try, Ruby. Unfortunately, the woman doesn't seem to understand the difference between divorce and adultery, so your wisdom likely fell on deaf ears.

The situation is actually reasonably simple to resolve. What's keeping this poor woman from resolving it is the pool of superstition she wades in. The whole idea of "sin" is hateful.

:mad:

[Ruby]

Originally posted by Phil
Nice job, Ruby!!

Good message without disenchanting anyone. Let's hope it sinks in.

Thanks. It did not sink in. I got a mini sermon on how suffering is sometimes God's will. Plus, the woman in the miserable marriage was upset that divorce was encouraged. I had to apologize to her. I don't want to look bad.....and I don't want to seem like I am encouraging her to divorce if she is dead set against it.

[Phil]

Originally posted by Ruby


Thanks. It did not sink in. I got a mini sermon on how suffering is sometimes God's will. Plus, the woman in the miserable marriage was upset that divorce was encouraged. I had to apologize to her. I don't want to look bad.....and I don't want to seem like I am encouraging her to divorce if she is dead set against it.
Yes, I saw the subsequent posts. And I agree with Ipecac, the pool of superstition is what's drowning this woman, but I don't think she wants to get out of it. At least, it doesn't seem so. But Ruby, you offered some reason. You led the horse to water . . .

[Ruby]

Originally posted by Phil

Yes, I saw the subsequent posts. And I agree with Ipecac, the pool of superstition is what's drowning this woman, but I don't think she wants to get out of it. At least, it doesn't seem so. But Ruby, you offered some reason. You led the horse to water . . .

I tried.........:(

[UnrepentantSinner]

Originally posted by Ruby
Thanks. It did not sink in. I got a mini sermon on how suffering is sometimes God's will. Plus, the woman in the miserable marriage was upset that divorce was encouraged. I had to apologize to her. I don't want to look bad.....and I don't want to seem like I am encouraging her to divorce if she is dead set against it.

One of the things she was stressing in her earlier posts was that "God abhors divorce" was all she was getting from her prayer and "counseling."

As I reviewed the thread again, it's clear that she's as nutty as the husband is. I've lost sympathy for her. She needs professional help, and I don't mean Christian "counseling." She needs to get with a psychologist.

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by pgwenthold


The word you are looking for is "neglect."

neglect seems too mild. He makes her feel unattractive because she is not wounded. Convincing a person they have a "defect" which renders them wholly unattractive is more than neglect IMHO.

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by Ruby


Yep, I can relate. I am SO glad to hear you are free!! One of the driving forces behind my leaving Christianity behind was the lack of answered prayer and unending suffering. I was depressed, social phobia, and anxiety ridden. I had to endure being told I might have demons or some sort of generational curse. I sought so much prayer for the depression...which was very severe.....but nothing helped.

My cure has come through leaving christianity behind. The social phobia that crippled my life to where I could not leave my home is almost gone now. I am "recovering". Without the guilt, fear and condemnation that Christinaity puts on you...and without the incessant belief that demons are around every corner, I have been able to come out of my shell of phobic shyness and start living.

I am driving all over now.....and going alone to many places. "God" never did that for me. I feel more free and real than I ever had before. Christianity was just a prison for me. It was a breeding ground for fear and phobias of all sorts.:mad:

Anyhow, I did not so well by posting on RR.:(


Congrats! I've followed your story ever since I first started lurking here. You are an inspiration.

I have no doubt that with your courage you will overcome any lingering issues with time.

I too found great freedom after I stopped being a Christian. The best part was finally beginning to accept myself ~ faults and all. It is so wonderful to see the world through the eyes of someone who is "good enough" instead of someone who has been "cursed from birth".

I think you did the best you could for this woman. She is in a place where she can't see. She is in her own private hell of Christianity and, I agree, is looking for an excuse to have an affair.

Let's hope she sees the light.

[the_ignored]

Originally posted by Ruby


Thanks. It did not sink in. I got a mini sermon on how suffering is sometimes God's will. Plus, the woman in the miserable marriage was upset that divorce was encouraged. I had to apologize to her. I don't want to look bad.....and I don't want to seem like I am encouraging her to divorce if she is dead set against it.

Well, at least you tried. Blast, I really don't know what else to say. Hopefully, she'll realize what's going on and just get out of there before he hurts her or something. I don't know what I could say in that situation.

It is scary as hell that they turned against you?!

This is no longer funny.:mad:

[Eos of the Eons]

I find it ludicrous that are affairs are considered, but divorce is not.

Affairs are way worse than leaving a bad marriage. My husband better divorce me before he ever has an affair.

I can't believe their stinking peaves about Ruby's post.
Nutballs, all of them, and I admire you all for leaving this craziness behind when you left christianity behind.

I bet that's mostly what made them all so nuts in the first place. The guy's shame at his fantasies keep him from being sexually functional with a woman. I know lots of guys with warped fantasies, and it doesn't hold them back from sex with their wives.

Gads. Nuts nuts nuts.

[Ruby]

Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner


One of the things she was stressing in her earlier posts was that "God abhors divorce" was all she was getting from her prayer and "counseling."

As I reviewed the thread again, it's clear that she's as nutty as the husband is. I've lost sympathy for her. She needs professional help, and I don't mean Christian "counseling." She needs to get with a psychologist.

I had to look back through the thread too. This is one mixed up lady.

She went through that thread and deleted all her posts. The Admin posted to her abouting deleting like that.

[Ruby]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker



Congrats! I've followed your story ever since I first started lurking here. You are an inspiration.

I have no doubt that with your courage you will overcome any lingering issues with time.

I too found great freedom after I stopped being a Christian. The best part was finally beginning to accept myself ~ faults and all. It is so wonderful to see the world through the eyes of someone who is "good enough" instead of someone who has been "cursed from birth".

I think you did the best you could for this woman. She is in a place where she can't see. She is in her own private hell of Christianity and, I agree, is looking for an excuse to have an affair.

Let's hope she sees the light.

Thanks for saying I am an inspiration! It's incredible how life has opened up to me now. And christians think only they have awesome "testimonies".

[Ruby]

Originally posted by the_ignored


Well, at least you tried. Blast, I really don't know what else to say. Hopefully, she'll realize what's going on and just get out of there before he hurts her or something. I don't know what I could say in that situation.

It is scary as hell that they turned against you?!

This is no longer funny.:mad:

No, it isn't. I am getting in trouble in another thread now...this one.......http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=1258335#post1258335

I may end up getting banned...that's me, getting banned!!:D

[Ruby]

Originally posted by Eos of the Eons
I find it ludicrous that are affairs are considered, but divorce is not.

Affairs are way worse than leaving a bad marriage. My husband better divorce me before he ever has an affair.

I can't believe their stinking peaves about Ruby's post.
Nutballs, all of them, and I admire you all for leaving this craziness behind when you left christianity behind.

I bet that's mostly what made them all so nuts in the first place. The guy's shame at his fantasies keep him from being sexually functional with a woman. I know lots of guys with warped fantasies, and it doesn't hold them back from sex with their wives.

Gads. Nuts nuts nuts.

Yep!!!:mad:

[VicDaring]

You know Ruby, if they're gonna ban you anyway, you may as well go out letting themn know exactly what you've told us here: How your life changed for the better once you rejected their life of superstition and guilt.

Who knows, you may even save one or two (and wouldn't that be the most delicious irony).

From Over There
I am really sorry that you don't feel the Bible has ALL the answers because trust me, it does.

Yeah. Well, I'm truly sorry you think your book of fables has ANY of the answers. Because it doesn't.

[Ipecac]

Originally posted by Ruby


No, it isn't. I am getting in trouble in another thread now...this one.......http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=1258335#post1258335

I may end up getting banned...that's me, getting banned!!:D

Ugh. How can you stand participating in those threads? Man, those people are deluded.

[Ruby]

Originally posted by VicDaring
You know Ruby, if they're gonna ban you anyway, you may as well go out letting themn know exactly what you've told us here: How your life changed for the better once you rejected their life of superstition and guilt.

Who knows, you may even save one or two (and wouldn't that be the most delicious irony).



Yeah. Well, I'm truly sorry you think your book of fables has ANY of the answers. Because it doesn't.

Well, I figured I may as well go out like a bang. I've got them all praying for me now....it's pretty serious when they all start into praying for you!!!:D

[Ruby]

Originally posted by Ipecac


Ugh. How can you stand participating in those threads? Man, those people are deluded.

Yeah, I'm pretty nuts...but just had to say something.

[Beleth]

Originally posted by Ruby
I may end up getting banned...that's me, getting banned!!:D You are better off without them.

Unfortunately, they are worse off without you, and I commend you for staying for that reason.

[Ruby]

Originally posted by Beleth
You are better off without them.

Unfortunately, they are worse off without you, and I commend you for staying for that reason.

It's frustrating. I used to think and talk they do. They think they are free in Christ, but they are not.................I can't point that out to them. Pretty soon, someone is going to say I'm being used of the Devil or my heart is hardened towards God...........these are the type of things flung at former Christians. It's pathetic. They will not see it. I need to drop out of the discussion on the judgment house. I hate to look defeated....I don't feeel it...but they are all thinking I am just a lowly sinner who has turned their back on God and has "scales on my eyes".......those damn scales.....I had forgotten about them. I used to wear them as a Christian, they feel off when I stopped believing in Christian nonsense......still, to convince them of that would take a miracle!!:wink8:

[Eos of the Eons]

Holy freakin bible quotes. Scales? Scales on your eyes? :roll:

Now you are trollalicious. How long have you hung out there?


I like how they put everything to you so 'nice nice'. Being blunt is not a skill for most of those folks.


I for one would put them all behind me. I know it's hard to give up a community, but it looks like you are breaking the ties. I'd hate for it to become vicious.

[VicDaring]

Am I missing something?

Where is this "Aplogetics forum" the admin keeps speaking of?

I don't see it (although it's entirely possible that I'm just an idiot).

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by VicDaring
Am I missing something?

Where is this "Aplogetics forum" the admin keeps speaking of?

I don't see it (although it's entirely possible that I'm just an idiot).

It is in the Members Only section. And as the name suggests you have to sign up to see it

[Ruby]

Originally posted by Eos of the Eons
Holy freakin bible quotes. Scales? Scales on your eyes? :roll:

Now you are trollalicious. How long have you hung out there?


I like how they put everything to you so 'nice nice'. Being blunt is not a skill for most of those folks.


I for one would put them all behind me. I know it's hard to give up a community, but it looks like you are breaking the ties. I'd hate for it to become vicious.

I registered at RR back in May. I used to post there a bit...but then stopped until now. I was a liberal Christian when I posting in May. Now I am an agnostic.....well on my way to being atheist. So, my old posts are quite different from my new posts.