The Yahweh Theological Challenge

[Yahweh]

Well, Mr. krkey has offered the skeptics a challenge, I'm not one to back down from a challenge. Go for it Mr. krkey, challenge my beliefs and I'll challenge yours.

I want to state a few things which I believe:

Philosophical Beliefs

I believe all things that exist can be explained in terms of matter and natural phenomena, nothing can exist outside of the laws of physics or science, anything that fails to meet those two criteria cannot and does not exist.

I'm very analytical.

I do not see faith as any means of rationalizing a belief.


Theological Beliefs

I have no religious beliefs.

I have no belief in the paranormal.

I try as best I can to rid faith out of my reasoning as best I can.

I do not believe in a Logical Goddess.

I question the scientific and historical accuracy of the bible. That is not to say Yeshua never existed, I just happen to doubt he was the son of god or had any paranormal powers.

I am vaguely familiar with the Bible.

I question the integrity of the Bible as it was passed down oral tradition based on anecdotal evidence. (The same reason I question the integrity of Paul Bunyan and the Big Blue Ox)

If I had any religious beliefs, they would most certaintly revolve around Wiccanism.


Scientific Background and Credentials

I am currently a Junior in highschool, my current age is 15 (I will be 16 this October 23).

I have no degees of any kind.

My IQ could be best summed up in the word: Big.

Virtually (as I've not tested everything) all things I believe are scientifically sound and demonstratably true.

I have a highschool level understanding of Physics, Biology, Psychology, Mathematics, and History. I've taught myself everything I know about Philosophy.

I know lots of "stuff".

While I am not the smartest or most competent guy on these boards, I feel I am "good enough". (And in all honesty, if you feel you are absolutely correct in your beliefs and competent to defend them, you should in all ways be plenty able to defeat all the skeptics here and force them to concede to your beliefs).

However, I am a good writer, I can present my beliefs very clearly.

[Tricky]

Um... What's the challenge, Mr. Good Writer? Pick one? Can anybody else play? ;)

[triadboy]

Originally posted by Tricky
Um... What's the challenge, Mr. Good Writer? Pick one? Can anybody else play? ;)

I think the idea is - we are going to try to leave this thread alone - only Yahweh and krkey can come in here. But we get to drink beer and watch in our underwear.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Tricky
Um... What's the challenge, Mr. Good Writer? Pick one? Can anybody else play? ;)
Krkey had made several statements in another thread, I havent narrowed down which one he wants to talk to.

The original challenge which I responded to was this:
Originally posted by krkey
As I said earlier I will only debate a person one to one. If anyone in this room is man enough to step up to the plate, we can go at it, one on one. The fact no one has choosen to take this option causes me to suspect that skeptics would much rather gang up on a single person( knowing he does not have enough time to properly answer all objections) then simply debate a person one on one. If no one is going to do this, I will simply leave. No point in wasting my time.

However, the challenge he offered was a little too broad to be covered in a single topic (the topics include but are not limited to Near Death Experiences, the Ressurrection of Yeshua, "transcendental theory", and what I think is a reference to out of body experiences).

However, I invite (invitation is pending) Yahzi to come and play as well (its the least I can do seeing the natural flaws in the "first come first serve" debating technique that has been offered).

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by triadboy


I think the idea is - we are going to try to leave this thread alone - only Yahweh and krkey can come in here. But we get to drink beer and watch in our underwear.

There are ladies present. May I request either underwear without holes or a robe? Thank you and pass the beer.

Hey, Yahweh, you and Mr. Krkey have very close birthdays. I wonder what the astrological implications of this debate are. Anyone willing to draw up a chart? :p

[T'ai Chi]

, challenge my beliefs and I'll challenge yours.


That about sums up all theist vs. atheist type of wars. :D

[Tricky]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
There are ladies present. May I request either underwear without holes or a robe? Thank you and pass the beer.

Hey, Yahweh, you and Mr. Krkey have very close birthdays. I wonder what the astrological implications of this debate are. Anyone willing to draw up a chart? :p
I think it means that their moon is in Virgo.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
There are ladies present. May I request either underwear without holes or a robe? Thank you and pass the beer.

Hey, Yahweh, you and Mr. Krkey have very close birthdays. I wonder what the astrological implications of this debate are. Anyone willing to draw up a chart? :p

I just tossed a mystical Pog and threw my enchanted dart.

I just take my astrological Number (which is 4 by the way), and I pump it into an equation (the equation is too dangerous to present before you heathens who know not the TRUE power of my Magycks)...

Uh oh...

Ummm... somebody help, I keep getting "Syntax Error".

[Mercutio]

I am reminded, oddly enough, of Renata and glee's chess match in Banter...will there be limericks? Oh, and I'll have a beer if anyone is buying...

[Suezoled]

Ummm... somebody help, I keep getting "Syntax Error".

Kick it in the hard drive, Yahweh. And I'll loan you my Mystical Pink Dot to fix it, if that doesn't work.

Pass me a beer, would ya, folks? :p

[triadboy]

I'm having a Sam Adams Oktoberfest right now. If you live on the East Coast, you could have the #2 rated beer in the world (according to beeradvocate.com) - Storm King Stout! (Victory brewers) (mmmmm....It just sounds good)

Is that what this debate is about? The best beer?

[WildCat]

Originally posted by triadboy
I'm having a Sam Adams Oktoberfest right now. If you live on the East Coast, you could have the #2 rated beer in the world (according to beeradvocate.com) - Storm King Stout! (Victory brewers) (mmmmm....It just sounds good)

Is that what this debate is about? The best beer?
I'm anxiously awaiting this years version of Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale.....but now I'm drooling all over the keyboard so in the meantime I'll have a Bell's Pale Ale.

[ImpyTimpy]

Originally posted by Yahweh


--snipped--

I believe all things that exist can be explained in terms of matter and natural phenomena, nothing can exist outside of the laws of physics or science, anything that fails to meet those two criteria cannot and does not exist.

--snipped--



I hereby challenge your belief and state that it is undebatable because as soon as something becomes explainable and repeatable we can put it down into our laws of physics using the scientific method. So if we were to discover God is real, God would become a part of the laws of physics!

....eerrrr... yeah..... ummm.... i'll shut up now... back to SW:KOTOR with me...

:jedi:

[ReasonableDoubt]

Originally posted by Yahweh
I believe all things that exist can be explained in terms of matter and natural phenomena, nothing can exist outside of the laws of physics or science, anything that fails to meet those two criteria cannot and does not exist.

Thanks for sharing your faith, Yahweh. :rub:

By the way, when do we get to the challenge part?

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by ReasonableDoubt
Thanks for sharing your faith, Yahweh. :rub:

FAITH!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! GLAAAAARRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!

The-ist, you've just set yourself up and taken on the responsibility of upholding the BURDEN OF PROOF, I demand you present something which existence is accepted but cannot be described in terms of matter or natural phenomena, the-ist!

(My Frankoesque style preaching is a bit underdeveloped...)

By the way, when do we get to the challenge part?
I dont know, krkey hasnt made a post in a while. As soon as he notices this thread, I'm sure he'll be happy to start things off. Until then... I dont know the topic of this thread. Do I suspect this turning into another Kitten Thread?(HINT HINT!).

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Mercutio
I am reminded, oddly enough, of Renata and glee's chess match in Banter...will there be limericks? Oh, and I'll have a beer if anyone is buying...

I've never written a limerick before,
My threads tend to be kittens galore!
I hope Mr. krkey has a sense of humor,
The only other words I can find to rhyme are "tumor",
Satisfied now silly limerick whore? :D

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Yahweh


I've never written a limerick before...
Arghhhhh! Stop! Don't ever write one again! You have no concept of meter or rhyme. However, since you have violated no rules, there is no chance you will be bard.

[Nyarlathotep]

I recently had to write some haiku for an English class. I came up with this one

There once was a man
From Nantucket, who...oh, wait
Haiku, not limericks

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Tricky

Arghhhhh! Stop! Don't ever write one again! You have no concept of meter or rhyme. However, since you have violated no rules, there is no chance you will be bard.

Was that a ' Shakespear ' joke?

O.K., here we go.. ( I think Yahweh ( praise his name) may have to start this thread over again with krkey's name in the title, so he ( krkey ) can figure out what's going on )...


Anyway, here's my contribution to the derailment..

There was a young man from RD,
Who went by the name of krkey.
He showed up one day,
In a blustering way,
With a claim of vericidal fact.
After chirping a bit,
With pronounced lack of wit,
He found himself duly shellacked.


Next...

[Upchurch]

Curious to know,
If poetry will be used,
Will there be haiku?

[Phil]

Originally posted by Yahweh


I've never written a limerick before,
My threads tend to be kittens galore!
I hope Mr. krkey has a sense of humor,
The only other words I can find to rhyme are "tumor",
Satisfied now silly limerick whore? :D
That's hilarious, if not a bit harsh. But I'm sure the Mercutio has a thick skin.

Originally posted by Diogenes
There was a young man from RD,
Who went by the name of krkey.
He showed up one day,
In a blustering way,
With a claim of vericdal fact.
After chirping a bit,
With pronounced lack of wit,
He found himself duly shellacked.
Ugh! Is this supposed to be a limerick? Yikes.

So anyway, is this thing moving to another thread or what? I'm gonna go take a look around, and see if I can find another with krkey's name in it.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Curious to know,
If poetry will be used,
Will there be haiku?

Upchurch, if you look
Two posts up from your post, there
Haiku will you see

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep

Upchurch, if you look
Two posts up from your post, there
Haiku will you see
My great thanks to you.
For now I see haiku shall
lead the way to truth.

[BobM]

I believe all things that exist can be explained in terms of matter and natural phenomena, nothing can exist outside of the laws of physics or science, anything that fails to meet those two criteria cannot and does not exist.

Hmm... I don't think this is worded like you want it to be. You seem to be implying that we can "know all things." That's probably not true.

[Andonyx]

Originally posted by BobM


Hmm... I don't think this is worded like you want it to be. You seem to be implying that we can "know all things." That's probably not true.

Yeah not spoil it for your challenger, but should that maybe not be:

I bleieve that for all obeservable phenomena there can be found an underlying physical explanation. (or cause?)

Just a thought

[Yahzi]

Originally posted by Yahweh
However, I invite (invitation is pending) Yahzi to come and play as well
Even the silly posts are a bit of problem for Krkey. It's like the home-court advantage.

Of course, what Krkey doesn't understand is that we are skeptics. That means we are just as likely to challenge Yahweh's posts as we are his, if they contain logical fallacies. I suspect the whole one-on-one thing is because Krkey thinks your supposed to witness one-on-one.

In any case, I shan't reply in this thread again. But I will be reading.

[ReasonableDoubt]

Originally posted by Yahweh


FAITH!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! GLAAAAARRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!

The-ist, you've just set yourself up and taken on the responsibility of upholding the BURDEN OF PROOF, ...

(My Frankoesque style preaching is a bit underdeveloped...)The spaghetti man would have blathered about TBOP, rather than "the the BURDEN OF PROOF". :D