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[Pvt. Stash]

you know those "Stand" commercials ?

Anti-smoking ads by kids? Well they Really piss me off.


I dont even smoke (cigarettes) , its a Choice that I've made myself as an Adult living in a "Free" Society.

It pisses me off that kids are now encouraged to "Stand up" to Adults and tell them to stop smoking and such.

Sit down and stfu you snot-nosed punk, you don' wanna smoke Dont, but I dont need You telling Me Anything.... its even worse than the Government telling me not to do something.




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[Prospero]

Pvt. Stash, you can't really blame the organization for employing a grass-roots campaign to eliminate such a destructive habit. It just further entrenches the beliefs of people like yourself that aren't particularly inclined to smoke and starts to insinuate itself into the thoughts of older generations that younger generations have made a stand against something that is undeniably bad for your health.

Personally, I'd run a campaign consisting of delivering the tar-blackened lungs of smokers to people's homes on days like Thanksgiving or Christmas around lunch time, just to get the point across. Oh, and they could have little colorful stickers to point out the metastaticized tumors and such. Work in a cancer research facility and you'll realize that these anti-smoking campaigns are actually quite tame.

[Pvt. Stash]

Is there Anyone in the year 2003 that Doensnt know the Potential health hazards of Smoking ?

do we need to Pay (taxes) to have the government tell Children to tell us to stop smoking ?

This is PC BS in the extreme.


I think its one thing to have PSA that simply give information to foster this "grassroots movement" you speak of ; it is Anther thing altogether to incite some pimple-faced know-nothing to "Stand Up" to me an tell me not to smoke.




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[corplinx]

More annoying than those truth.com ads?

[Thanz]

Smoking is a habit I don't think that I will ever understand fully. Everyone knows that it is harmful. I don't think that anyone enjoys their first cigarette. You really have to work at it to get hooked on a product that makes you stink, is bad for your health and stains your fingers and teeth.

Originally posted by Pvt. Stash

I think its one thing to have PSA that simply give information to foster this "grassroots movement" you speak of ; it is Anther thing altogether to incite some pimple-faced know-nothing to "Stand Up" to me an tell me not to smoke.

Maybe they are trying to make it rebellious to not smoke rather than smoke?

[richardm]

Originally posted by Thanz
I don't think that anyone enjoys their first cigarette. You really have to work at it to get hooked

Some people do enjoy that first one. And I have heard it said - and I don't know if it's true - that nicotine is regarded as being more rapidly addictive than heroin.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by corplinx
More annoying than those truth.com ads?

Not possible. Nothing is more annoying than those truth.com ads. They annoy the living hell out of me and I don't smoke and never have (one of the positive side effects of having been a Mormon when I was younger).

[c0rbin]

Quit watching TV and I think you will be fine, private.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by c0rbin
Quit watching TV and I think you will be fine, private.

I don't know, the guy has a point. If I did smoke and some snot-nosed punk came up to me and began preaching tome about the dangers of it, All it would accomplish would be getting me to tell him/her to cram it where the sun doesn't shine (and I don't mean Seattle, Washington). Any facts that were presented would be wasted because it would make me too hostile to listen. If this is a government funded advertising campaign it seems useless and a waste of my tax dollars.

[AmateurScientist]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep


I don't know, the guy has a point. If I did smoke and some snot-nosed punk came up to me and began preaching tome about the dangers of it, All it would accomplish would be getting me to tell him/her to cram it where the sun doesn't shine (and I don't mean Seattle, Washington). Any facts that were presented would be wasted because it would make me too hostile to listen. If this is a government funded advertising campaign it seems useless and a waste of my tax dollars.

I'm not a smoker either, and I don't care for moralizing or preaching. On the other hand, I can play the devil's advocate here and suggest that on the whole, it just might be the kids' business whether we smoke or not.

From a public health standpoint, smoking is a leading cause of many serious, life-threatening and life-shortening illnesses. As such, smokers in the aggregate presumably take more resources from the medical industry than non-smokers, all other things being equal. Given that a huge chunk of our national budget goes to providing the elderly and the indigent health care, and given that those of us with private health insurance subsidize insured smokers' health care, smoking costs each of us real money for health care than wouldn't be needed otherwise.

Thus, as a public health issue, smoking is everyone's business. In a very real sense, someone else's smoking eventually will cost you and me both real money. The same goes for the kid waving his index finger in the smoker's face. That smoke will cost the kid in taxes and health insurance premiums too.

Forget second-hand smoke. It's the first-hand smoke that burns into my wallet and yours.

It is our business.

[/end devil's advocate stance]

AS

[DaChew]

{Denis Leary}
I don't know. Personally, I think Billy Martin said it best when he said, "Hey! I can drive!" Because we tried to be nice to you non-smokers. We f*****g tried. Okay? You wanted your own sections in the restaurants. We gave you that, huh. But that wasn't enough for you. Then you wanted the airplanes. We gave you the whole God d**n plane! You happy now? You own the f*****g plane! I'd like an explanation about that one folks because I will guarantee you if the plane is going down, the first announcement you're gonna hear is, "Folks, this is your Captain speaking. Look, uhm, light 'em up, 'cause we're going down, okay. I got a carton of Camels non-filters, I'll see you on the ground. Take it easy." Actually, it'd be more like this, "[VB] This is your Captain speaking. Smoke 'em if ya got 'em. Rrrr Rrrr"

The filters the best part. That's where they put the heroine. Only us real good smokers know that f*****g secret. Yeah, we tried to be nice to you non-smokers. We tried. But you just f*****g badger us, you know? You won't leave us alone! You got all your little speeches you're always giving to us. All these little facts that you dig out of a newspaper or pamphlet and you store that little nugget in your little f*****g head, and we light up and you spew 'em out at us, don't ya? I love these little facts. "Well you know. Smoking takes ten years off your life." Well it's the ten worst years, isn't it folks? It's the ones at the end! It's the wheelchair kidney dialysis f*****g years. You can have those years! We don't want 'em, alright!? And I guarantee if I'm still alive, I'll be smoking then. I'll be in my wheelchair, with my adult diapers on and my twenty-five year old, non- smoking, born again christian, son behind me. I'll be going, "Hey! Make sure you wipe this time. I was itching all week for Christ's sake! And get me some more wippets. I'm almost out, you f*****g p*****y! Come on!"

Because you're always telling us, "You know, ever cigarette takes six minutes off your life. If you quit now you can live an extra ten years. If you quit now, you can live an extra twenty years." Hey, I got two words for you, ok. Jim Fix. Remember Jim Fix? The big famous jogging guy? Jogged fifteen miles a day. Did a jogging book. Did a jogging video. Dropped dead of a heart attack when? When he was f*****g jogging, that's when! What do you wanna bet it was two smokers who found the body the next morning and went, "Hey! That's Jim Fix, isn't it?" "Wow, what a f*****g tragedy. Come on, lets go buy some butts."

It's always the yogurt sprout eating mother f*****s who get run over buy a bus driven by a guy who smokes three and a half packs a day. "Sorry officer, I didn't see him. I was too busy smoking!"
{/Denis Leary}

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by richardm


Some people do enjoy that first one. And I have heard it said - and I don't know if it's true - that nicotine is regarded as being more rapidly addictive than heroin.

One of the points missed by those who hear that nictoine is more addictive than heroin is that it does, in fact, take a while to get addicted to cigarettes. It took me about a year to get hooked, and five to finally quit (after you don't have a cigarette for about 18 months or so, cigarettes taste like crap again, so it's real easy to stay off 'em). This should dispel the myth of the 'instant heroin addict'. But of course, the ill-educated still think one pop of smack is all that you need to get hooked.

Mind you, one pop of smack is all you need to overdose, as a friend of mine's sister found out. I hate to laugh at tragedy, but the family thought it must have been murder because she was shot up in her right arm, and she's right handed. Also, her boyfriend skipped town when she died.

Well, first-time users usually get someone else to shoot up for them. And I can't imagine anyone sticking around waiting for the hammer to come down if their girlf's just died, especially if the person in question is an established user with a criminal record.

Uhm... Sorry for the hijack. :wink8:

[Tony]

Originally posted by Thanz
Smoking is a habit I don't think that I will ever understand fully. Everyone knows that it is harmful. I don't think that anyone enjoys their first cigarette.


The same could be said about beer.

[Tony]

Originally posted by Pvt. Stash
you know those "Stand" commercials ?

Anti-smoking ads by kids? Well they Really piss me off.


I dont even smoke (cigarettes) , its a Choice that I've made myself as an Adult living in a "Free" Society.

It pisses me off that kids are now encouraged to "Stand up" to Adults and tell them to stop smoking and such.

Sit down and stfu you snot-nosed punk, you don' wanna smoke Dont, but I dont need You telling Me Anything.... its even worse than the Government telling me not to do something.



That's never happened to me, but the first kid who tells me not to smoke is getting a face full of second hand smoke.

[Suddenly]

I'm all for trying to keep kids from wanting to smoke, but...

When has their ever been an attempt to influence the behaviour of the young by manipulating what is "cool" or "smart" that didn't backfire completely?


By making smoking sound stupid and dangerous, and being shocking about it, they are just amplifying the message many young smokers are trying to send, that they just don't give a sh*t and they find it really important that you absolutely know that they don't care what you think.

Guide to rebellious teen behaviour:

1) Figure out what authority wants you to do

2) Do the opposite

[Ed]

Originally posted by AmateurScientist


From a public health standpoint, smoking is a leading cause of many serious, life-threatening and life-shortening illnesses. As such, smokers in the aggregate presumably take more resources from the medical industry than non-smokers, all other things being equal.

Given that a huge chunk of our national budget goes to providing the elderly and the indigent health care, and given that those of us with private health insurance subsidize insured smokers' health care, smoking costs each of us real money for health care than wouldn't be needed otherwise.
AS [/B]

Well, if smokers are dieing left and right that means that they don't live to be old farts, right? Now, if they don't live to be old farts that means that all of those $ spent on old -nonsmoking- farts can't be blamed on cigs, right? Seems to me it is cheaper to have people die with the associated medical costs than to have people linger forever (80's seems like forever) with their associated medical care.

Light up boys, it's a public service.:D

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by AmateurScientist


I'm not a smoker either, and I don't care for moralizing or preaching. On the other hand, I can play the devil's advocate here and suggest that on the whole, it just might be the kids' business whether we smoke or not.

From a public health standpoint, smoking is a leading cause of many serious, life-threatening and life-shortening illnesses. As such, smokers in the aggregate presumably take more resources from the medical industry than non-smokers, all other things being equal. Given that a huge chunk of our national budget goes to providing the elderly and the indigent health care, and given that those of us with private health insurance subsidize insured smokers' health care, smoking costs each of us real money for health care than wouldn't be needed otherwise.

Thus, as a public health issue, smoking is everyone's business. In a very real sense, someone else's smoking eventually will cost you and me both real money. The same goes for the kid waving his index finger in the smoker's face. That smoke will cost the kid in taxes and health insurance premiums too.

Forget second-hand smoke. It's the first-hand smoke that burns into my wallet and yours.

It is our business.

[/end devil's advocate stance]

AS

Fair enough. I won't argue too much on the actual costs of smoking because I guarantee that it will derail into a long thread about all the other things that may or may not cost the public and what ought to be done about them. I have seen this happen on this forum many, many times before. In any case, it's not even my point.

My point is that if you want to get people to quit smoking that is a laudable goal. However encouraging some kid to confront smokers about their smoking isn't an effective way to do it. I think that it will make most people hostile to the messenger and thus make them ignore the message. I am not sure if this "Stand" thing is tax funded. If it is, I want my tax dollars to be used on things that are actually effective. Geting some kid to tell you that smoking is bad doesn't seem like it would be effective and thus seems like it would be a waste of tax money.

[Suddenly]

Originally posted by Tony



The same could be said about beer.

I liked my first beer. Just like any real American.

[AmateurScientist]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep


Fair enough. I won't argue too much on the actual costs of smoking because I guarantee that it will derail into a long thread about all the other things that may or may not cost the public and what ought to be done about them. I have seen this happen on this forum many, many times before. In any case, it's not even my point.


You're right, and I apologize for the somewhat hijack.

AS

[Tony]

Originally posted by Suddenly


I liked my first beer. Just like any real American.


I liked my first cigarette.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by AmateurScientist


You're right, and I apologize for the somewhat hijack.

AS

I didn't see it as a hijack. more as an issue that had the potential to become a hijack. No apology needed, not as far as I am concerned anyway.