AMERITHRAX: So, let me get this straight...

[The Director]

I know that there are many threads that have been dedicated to this topic, but to be honest, the conversations have gotten a little out of the range of the layman.

So, can I just revamp this "delightful" conversation by clearing up my own ignorance?


1) Alex Jones and his mob have been saying for years that Al-Qaeda was not behind the 2001 Anthrax Attacks, but instead, these spores came from an individual that works for our own government.

2) The FBI narrowed the search down to Bruce Ivins--a government scientist that worked in a biodefense lab.

3) Although this conclusion pretty much matched that of Jones', Alex and his gang vehemently argue that it couldn't have been this individual that works for our government. (As suicide is often a clear motive for the "innocent")

So, for once in his ridiculous career, Alex Jones was correct in projecting someone in the federal government responsible for the attacks. When the FBI officially comes to the same conclusion, Alex cries foul and insists that it has to be someone else.

Is Alex's ONLY position disagreeing with ANYTHING the government reports?

[ElMondoHummus]

Yes. As well as disagreeing with common sense.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Is Alex's ONLY position disagreeing with ANYTHING the government reports?


Yes. His entire career is based on the simple belief that "everything the government says is a lie".

It's also based on his ability to bait people indefinitely. He can't let this one dry up, even he was basically correct; it's one less hook he has out in the water.

[The Director]

Yes. His entire career is based on the simple belief that "everything the government says is a lie".


Well, you would think judging by his maturity level he would start lauding some big "I told you so"s right about now


I think even if the Vice President went on national television and claimed that HE was behind the attacks Alex would claim that Cheney is just a patsy.

[The Director]

So, what would possess a man like Ivins to do this?

[CptColumbo]

So, what would possess a man like Ivins to do this?From the books on criminal profiling that I've read, there is a need among some people to "manipulate, dominate and control." Even if a poisoning plot is unsucessful, there is still the satisfaction of having it reported on the news, proving that they are able to influence the world.

[T.A.M.]

So, what would possess a man like Ivins to do this?

What possesses AJ to do what he does, or DRG to do what he does? Do you really think it is some selfless act of patriotic duty? Ha Ha.

DRG and AJ, in their own obsessed, attention needing way, are not that unlike Ivins. They dominate, manipulate, and control their own little truther minions all the time.

TAM:)

[roundhead]

There isnt any proof Ivans did it.

From what i have read, there is no evidence of Anthrax in his home, vehicles or elsewhere.

From what i understand, Ivans didnt have the ability to "coat" the Anthrax by himself, the Coating was studied a few years back.

Ivans could very well have been part of a the actual production, but didnt have either the skill or the ability by himself to have weaponised it as it was used back in 2001. It would have taken a number of people to hide the actual production of the final delivered product.

It is extremely unlikely Ivans did it, and even more unlikely any "one person" could have made the final delivered product.A team working together and insulated from being discovered.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

There isnt any proof Ivans did it.

From what i have read, there is no evidence of Anthrax in his home, vehicles or elsewhere.

From what i understand, Ivans didnt have the ability to "coat" the Anthrax by himself, the Coating was studied a few years back.

Ivans could very well have been part of a the actual production, but didnt have either the skill or the ability by himself to have weaponised it as it was used back in 2001. It would have taken a number of people to hide the actual production of the final delivered product.

It is extremely unlikely Ivans did it, and even more unlikely any "one person" could have made the final delivered product.A team working together and insulated from being discovered.


I'm also quite confident that a man with the surname of Ivans didn't do it. I also think Hister was probably a really cool guy and didn't order the extermination of millions of people. :rolleyes:

[Jonnyclueless]

When was anyone claiming Al Qaeda was behind it?

[Jonnyclueless]

"There isnt any proof Ivans did it."

As opposed to the NWO gang who is behind everything bad that ever happens accourding to you kids in your 9/11 cults. Forgetting the fact that you are completely incorrect in stating that there is no evidence he did it, it's pretty ironic.

[defaultdotxbe]

I know that there are many threads that have been dedicated to this topic, but to be honest, the conversations have gotten a little out of the range of the layman.

So, can I just revamp this "delightful" conversation by clearing up my own ignorance?


1) Alex Jones and his mob have been saying for years that Al-Qaeda was not behind the 2001 Anthrax Attacks, but instead, these spores came from an individual that works for our own government.
now the rest of it makes sense, its not a rogue individual within the government, but the government itself, which is not composed of individuals but mindless drones that work thoughtlessly toward the goals of some sinister mastermind

[T.A.M.]

There isnt any proof Ivans did it.

From what i have read, there is no evidence of Anthrax in his home, vehicles or elsewhere.

From what i understand, Ivans didnt have the ability to "coat" the Anthrax by himself, the Coating was studied a few years back.

Ivans could very well have been part of a the actual production, but didnt have either the skill or the ability by himself to have weaponised it as it was used back in 2001. It would have taken a number of people to hide the actual production of the final delivered product.

It is extremely unlikely Ivans did it, and even more unlikely any "one person" could have made the final delivered product.A team working together and insulated from being discovered.

I can't believe I am gonna say this, but to a degree I agree.

The evidence against Ivins, acting alone at least, seems to be sketchy. Even MSM have had on experts who say the grade of the anthrax in the attacks was beyond the capability of a single man to develop and deploy.

TAM:)

[Jontg]

Exactly--from the content of the letters (the use of the word "Allah," for example, where a native speaker of Arabic would probably have used "God"), the general consensus is that whoever handled the anthrax was most likely unaffiliated with Al Qaeda, and most likely a copycat. My take is that Ivins was probably part of a Christian end-times sect trying to provoke war in the middle east with false flag terrorism--his religious affiliation, lack of the skills required to do some of the work involved, and the fact that he either killed himself or was killed by someone with easy access to him, all suggest to me that we're talking about a small group of dedicated loons, maybe as few as two or three. Conspiracy theorists, note the careful application of Occam's Razor. :p

[MaGZ]

So, what would possess a man like Ivins to do this?

He didn't do it. He was just the last one on the FBI's list so they pinned it on him and drove the man to suicide.

[boloboffin]

Exactly--from the content of the letters (the use of the word "Allah," for example, where a native speaker of Arabic would probably have used "God"), the general consensus is that whoever handled the anthrax was most likely unaffiliated with Al Qaeda, and most likely a copycat.

This is silly. Native speakers of Arabic use Allah when speaking English all the time.

My take is that Ivins was probably part of a Christian end-times sect trying to provoke war in the middle east with false flag terrorism--his religious affiliation, lack of the skills required to do some of the work involved, and the fact that he either killed himself or was killed by someone with easy access to him, all suggest to me that we're talking about a small group of dedicated loons, maybe as few as two or three. Conspiracy theorists, note the careful application of Occam's Razor. :p

I believe it's been shown that Ivins was a registered Democrat and a Catholic who gave money to the American Family Association. There is no evidence of any end-time sect.

[Jigsaw_Psyche]

This is silly. Native speakers of Arabic use Allah when speaking English all the time.

Al - The
ilah - god

Al - ilah - The God
Allah - Name of The one and only God (muslim of course).

[Jontg]

Exactly--most Arab speakers I know just use the English word for the same being, because a) it makes sense and b) frankly, there are a lot of idiots out there.
EDIT: And being a Roman Catholic doesn't preclude being a Christian Zionist.
Rabbi Morris Kosman is entirely correct in summarily rejecting the demands of the Frederick Imam for a "dialogue." By blood and faith, Jews are God's chosen, and have no need for "dialogue" with any gentile. End of "dialogue."
Sounds pretty Zionist to me.

[Jigsaw_Psyche]

Exactly--most Arab speakers I know just use the English word for the same being, because a) it makes sense and b) frankly, there are a lot of idiots out there.
Sounds pretty Zionist to me.
Actually I more agree with boloboffin. It has been my experience that all Muslims I have met/talked with, say Allah because Allah to them = God. ilah does mean god but the lesser 'false gods' of other belief systems; so to say God instead of Allah would not be correct.

However I don't claim to have met every single Muslim, so perhaps yes, there are some (or quite a few) that say "God" instead.

Thanks for the reply :)

[theprestige]

I figure Jones will play this one out, and then in a few years, with the facts of the case no longer fresh in the minds of the the gullible and the ignorant, he'll hold it up as proof positive that he does, in fact, know what's really going on.

It'll be a "miss" now, and a "hit" later.

[Jontg]

Actually, that brings up an interesting question... how long has he been bleating about 9/11?

[Jigsaw_Psyche]

Actually, that brings up an interesting question... how long has he been bleating about 9/11?
The wayback machine shows 30th November, 2001 (http://web.archive.org/web/*/infowars.com) as the closest archive after 9/11; with stellar articles like:

GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT IN TERRORIST ATTACKS (http://web.archive.org/web/20011211164825/infowars.com/resources.html)

WHETHER THE GOVERNMENT WAS BEHIND IT OR NOT, THEY'RE CERTAINLY CAPITALIZING ON IT.
"GIVE UP YOUR LIBERTY FOR SECURITY" (http://web.archive.org/web/20011201080653/infowars.com/archive_wtc.htm)

etc...

[Jontg]

Lovely fellow, that one.

[Russ_Dalton]

Lets see...so the FBI says a government scientist sent the deadly anthrax in the name of fundamental religious terrorist acts and the government cashed on it to pass legislations to hinder the very freedoms the real terroists hate us for. Interesting!
I thought that was more important than what some AJ thinks.

[Travis]

Lets see...so the FBI says a government scientist sent the deadly anthrax in the name of fundamental religious terrorist acts and the government cashed on it to pass legislations to hinder the very freedoms the real terroists hate us for. Interesting!
I thought that was more important than what some AJ thinks.

Care to list the freedoms that are now hindered?

[Cuddles]

Care to list the freedoms that are now hindered?

You're no longer allowed to send bioweapons via the regular mail service.

[Jontg]

You know, that really is a good point; I do get worked up about the intrusive surveillance and the elaborate, meaningless rituals of airport security, and just hearing the word Gitmo makes me want to start a revolt--but in the end, the average American is barely inconvenienced by the new security measures, most likely because they're just there to make us feel better. I think the folks in charge know that they're closing the barn doors after the horse is gone, but they know an attack like 9/11 would be impossible to pull off again, so they just throw out a few token gestures so they can claim they had something to do with it. Not that it stops paranoid morons from looking at them and BAWWWWing about police states...

[Travis]

You're no longer allowed to send bioweapons via the regular mail service.

Damn, there go my Christmas Holiday plans.

[Travis]

You know, that really is a good point; I do get worked up about the intrusive surveillance and the elaborate, meaningless rituals of airport security, and just hearing the word Gitmo makes me want to start a revolt--but in the end, the average American is barely inconvenienced by the new security measures, most likely because they're just there to make us feel better. I think the folks in charge know that they're closing the barn doors after the horse is gone, but they know an attack like 9/11 would be impossible to pull off again, so they just throw out a few token gestures so they can claim they had something to do with it. Not that it stops paranoid morons from looking at them and BAWWWWing about police states...

I long ago concluded that Conspiracy Theorists wouldn't know a real police state if they were actually locked up in one for just speaking their mind. When you think the possibility of changing the name of our currency equals 1984 you are probably not dealing with a full deck of cards.