Daylight savings. Whats the point.

[Tmy]

Almost tiem to turn the clocks back. Do we still need daylight savings. I hate this time of year when its dark on my way to work and when I get out.

Lousy farmers............not only do we give them subsidies, we move time for them too.

[shanek]

Then your problem, like mine, is not with daylight saving time; it's with the switch back to standard time.

It makes no sense to me. Don't you need that extra hour more in the winter than you do in the summer?

[Suddenly]

Originally posted by Tmy
Almost tiem to turn the clocks back. Do we still need daylight savings. I hate this time of year when its dark on my way to work and when I get out.

Lousy farmers............not only do we give them subsidies, we move time for them too.

How does this benefit farmers?

[Suddenly]

Originally posted by shanek
Then your problem, like mine, is not with daylight saving time; it's with the switch back to standard time.

It makes no sense to me. Don't you need that extra hour more in the winter than you do in the summer?

I'd agree with this. In the summer I drive home on dry roads in daylight. In the winter I drive home in the dark on wet icy roads. That darned government screws up everything, no?

I dropped in to this thread when I saw you posted. I was expecting to see some kind of "The government has no business regulating time; Daylight Savings Time is a government boonedoggle that costs millions of lives..." complete with some kind of assertion of how it has all gone to heck since DST was started... :)

Maybe I'm just a little cynical. ;)

[Boo]

Ummm, farmers don't care what time the sun comes up or goes down, they would or still do work from dawn to dusk. Now a city commuter that still wants a little daylight when he got home after 5:00 pm was very interested in what 'time' the sun came up and went down.



Boo

[toddjh]

Originally posted by Suddenly
How does this benefit farmers?

I think the farmer story is somewhat anachronistic. These days most of the justifications I see are "for the kiiiiids" stories about people not wanting their children waiting for school buses in the dark. :rolleyes:

I'm with y'all. I want DST year round. It's bad enough riding a bike on icy roads in -20C weather when the sun is up.

Jeremy

[Suddenly]

I'm kinda remided about the old (likely apocryphal) story about the midwestern state senator that argued against daylight savings time because all the extra sunlight would wear out curtains more quickly....

[zakur]

Rationale (http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/c.html) A poll done by the U.S. Department of Transportation indicated that Americans liked Daylight Saving Time because "there is more light in the evenings / can do more in the evenings." A 1976 survey of 2.7 million citizens in New South Wales found 68% liked daylight saving.

Daylight Saving Time also saves energy. Studies done by the U.S. Department of Transportation show that Daylight Saving Time trims the entire country's electricity usage by a significant, but small amount, of less than one percent each day with Daylight Saving Time. We save energy in both the evening and the morning because we use less electricity for lighting and appliances. Similarly, In New Zealand, power companies have found that power usage decreases 3.5% when daylight saving starts. In the first week, peak evening consumption commonly drops around 5%.Re: Farmers (http://www.standardtime.com/) In fact, farmers generally oppose daylight saving time. In Indiana, where part of the state observes DST and part does not, farmers have opposed a move to DST. And the chief adversary of daylight saving time in the United States is the Farm Bureau. Farmers, who must wake with the sun no matter what time their clock says, are greatly inconvenienced by having to change their schedule in order to sell their crops to people who observe daylight saving time.

[arcticpenguin]

I think it's silly. It's like people who are constantly late, so they set their clock ahead 10 minutes.

[Suddenly]

Originally posted by arcticpenguin
I think it's silly. It's like people who are constantly late, so they set their clock ahead 10 minutes.

Hey. Don't knock it. I'm so groggy in the morning that I never remember that I do that, so when I get in the car and see I have an extra 15 minutes, it is like x-mas every day!

[AmateurScientist]

Originally posted by toddjh


I think the farmer story is somewhat anachronistic. These days most of the justifications I see are "for the kiiiiids" stories about people not wanting their children waiting for school buses in the dark. :rolleyes:


Won't someone please think of the CHILDREN????

:D

AS

[shanek]

Originally posted by toddjh
I think the farmer story is somewhat anachronistic. These days most of the justifications I see are "for the kiiiiids" stories about people not wanting their children waiting for school buses in the dark. :rolleyes:

Oh, yeah, that was such a big concern in the late 18th century....

[toddjh]

Originally posted by shanek
Oh, yeah, that was such a big concern in the late 18th century....

Did you see the part where I said "these days?"

Jeremy

[a_unique_person]

We are just about to set our clocks forward. (or is it back, I always forget).

The farmers don't want daylight saving, as a rule.

I used to work as a paper boy, and found it annoying that, just when it was starting to get light in the morning, it would get dark again.

[AmateurScientist]

Originally posted by a_unique_person
We are just about to set our clocks forward. (or is it back, I always forget).



Here's the rule:

Spring forward, fall back.

AS

[Jessica Blue]

Originally posted by Suddenly
I'm kinda remided about the old (likely apocryphal) story about the midwestern state senator that argued against daylight savings time because all the extra sunlight would wear out curtains more quickly....
*laughter*...

Personally I love daylight saving. You have more opportunities to do outdoorsy things and the days seems longer, brighter and fuller.

It's probably just that I have all these nice summer associations with daylight savings...

[arcticpenguin]

Originally posted by AmateurScientist


Here's the rule:

Spring forward, fall back.

AS
Yes, but remember that he's in the Southern hemisphere. Their seasons are upside down.

[AmateurScientist]

Originally posted by arcticpenguin

Yes, but remember that he's in the Southern hemisphere. Their seasons are upside down.

Easy. All he has to do is stand on his head.

AS

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by AmateurScientist


Here's the rule:

Spring forward, fall back.

AS

Fall?

[AmateurScientist]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


Fall?

Excuse me, upside down person. Autumn. "Fall" is American slang (not really slang, more like informal alternative usage) for autumn.

AS


[edited to add "down"--that's what I meant anyway]

[shanek]

Originally posted by arcticpenguin

Yes, but remember that he's in the Southern hemisphere. Their seasons are upside down.

The mnemonic still applies. It's just that he's going to be springing forward while we're falling back.

[Ove]

Daylight Saving Time also saves energy. Studies done by the U.S. Department of Transportation show that Daylight Saving Time trims the entire country's electricity usage by a significant, but small amount, of less than one percent each day with Daylight Saving Time. We save energy in both the evening and the morning because we use less electricity for lighting and appliances. Similarly, In New Zealand, power companies have found that power usage decreases 3.5% when daylight saving starts. In the first week, peak evening consumption commonly drops around 5%.

I haven't heard anything about farmers????? This story is the only one ever used as an explanation over here and as far as i remember the amount of power saved was quite considerably.

[Tmy]

Originally posted by AmateurScientist


Won't someone please think of the CHILDREN????

:D

AS

Ah yes Mrs. Lovejoy!

My "lousy farmers" line is actually stolen from The Simpsons. If Homer is againts daylight savings than somthing must be wrong with it.

[roger]

Okay, I guess when I tell you this you'll all back away slowly, being sure to never turn your back to me, but I observe DST year round. I refuse to reset my clock in October. Yes, that means I get to work an hour earlier, leave an hour earlier, go to bed an hour earlier (earlier based on what time _you_think it is).

It takes some mental gymanastics to show up at a movie theater at the right time, or answer someone who asks what time it is, but you get used to it.

(honestly, by around febuary my body has recalibrated to standard time and I usually reset my clocks then).

[Tricky]

I agree that resetting the clock twice a year is incredibly stupid. If you are worried about the kiddos going to school in the dark, THEN JUST CHANGE THE TIME THE BLOODY SCHOOL OPENS! Sheesh! Are people really this stupid?

[Graham]

Originally posted by AmateurScientist


Excuse me, upside person. Autumn. "Fall" is American slang (not really slang, more like informal alternative usage) for autumn.

AS

You have to admit though - Spring forward, Autumn back (unless you're in the southern hemisphere, then you have to spring when you autumn and vice versa) doesn't have quite the same snappy ring to it.

:D

[Evolver]

[INCOHERENT RANT] Why does daylight have to get shorter anyway? Can't the government do anything about it? And where is that global warming they promised? This morning I left for work in an inch of snow? What idiot was dreaming of a white Halloween? I think I'll go out and spray all my aerosol cans into the ozone.[/INCOHERENT RANT]

[teddosan]

Originally posted by roger
Okay, I guess when I tell you this you'll all back away slowly, being sure to never turn your back to me, but I observe DST year round. I refuse to reset my clock in October. Yes, that means I get to work an hour earlier, leave an hour earlier, go to bed an hour earlier (earlier based on what time _you_think it is).


Roger - you scare the hell out of me.

[Solitaire]

Originally posted by Tmy
Almost tiem to turn the clocks back. Do we still need daylight savings.
I hate this time of year when its dark on my way to work and when I get out.

It's a way of giving everyone jet-lag without putting them on aircraft.
Saves on fuel, money, and potential accidents.

[blackpriester]

Originally posted by AmateurScientist


Here's the rule:

Spring forward, fall back.

AS

That's the spring of the NORTHERN hemisphere, right ;)?
Just wanted to nitpick on behalf of our Australian friends...

Edited to add: (Ahh f*** me again... always read a thread to the end before replying ;)