Corporal punishment in school.

[Cainkane1]

Lets hear your corporal punishment stories.

When I was in highschool in my senior year I was sent to the principals office for throwing paper wads. I had been there two other times that week for talking in class. I was sent to the office with two football players who had also been to the office three times that week. The football coach doubled as vice principal and he gave us two choices. Ten strikes with a razor strop or ten days kicked out of school. All three of us opted for the whipping. I offered to go first and he really whipped my butt good. I didn't cry but my face was red. The other two tried to opt out of the whipping after seeing what had happened to me but the coach stood firm. First one and then the other athlete was whipped and whipped good. After school I looked at my butt in the mirror and it was black, blue, yello, red and basically looked like a scewed rainbow. It took three weeks for all of the bruisnig to disappear. I was told by the players later on that they had had the same results.

Anyone else have a story like this?

[dann]

When was this? And is corporal punishment still allowed in American schools?

[Cainkane1]

This was in 1965. Corporal punishment is till allowed in most American school systems.

[Rob Lister]

When was this? And is corporal punishment still allowed in American schools?

I don't think it is allowed in anymore, though there still may be a few 'hold-out' districts. It was certainly allowed in the 60's and 70's when I went to school. I've remember having had a number of rulers broken over my palm and knuckles, as well as a few lessons from the board of education.

Nowadays it's usually...

Step 1 - (before/after school) detention
Step 2 - in-school suspension
Step 3 - out-school suspension
Step 4 - expulsion

Which actually works well if done consistently.

[Nogbad]

Seems a tad extreme to me but I am sure Cain is a better person for it :D

I think they scrapped the belt in Scottish schools in the early 80s - long after I left :(

I don't recall anyone ever being beaten with that severity though. Most teachers had a belt and it was usually a quick couple on the hands in the classroom and was applied liberally to boys and girls alike. Stung like feck but forgotten in a couple of hours.

[Rob Lister]

This was in 1965. Corporal punishment is till allowed in most American school systems.

Seems you're right! Since I live in Virginia (illegal now), and given the likelihood of law suits, I just assumed all schools got a clue.

Where the states stand on corporal punishment:
Alabama--Legal
Alaska--Illegal
Arizona--Legal
Arkansas--Legal
California--Illegal
Colorado--Legal
Connecticut--Illegal
Delaware--Illegal
District of Columbia--N/A
Florida--Legal
Georgia--Legal
Hawaii--Illegal
Idaho--Legal
Illinois--Illegal
Indiana--Legal
Iowa--Illegal
Kansas--Legal
Kentucky--Legal
Louisiana--Legal
Maine--Illegal
Maryland--Illegal
Massachusetts--Illegal
Michigan--Illegal
Minnesota--Illegal
Mississippi--Legal
Missouri--Legal
Montana--Illegal
Nebraska--Illegal
Nevada--Illegal
New Hampshire--Illegal
New Jersey--Illegal
New Mexico--Legal
New York--Illegal
North Carolina--Legal
North Dakota--Illegal
Ohio--Legal
Oklahoma--Legal
Oregon--Illegal
Pennsylvania--Legal
Rhode Island--Restricted*
South Carolina--Legal
South Dakota--Illegal
Tennessee--Legal
Texas--Legal
Utah--Illegal
Vermont--Illegal
Virginia--Illegal
Washington--Illegal
West Virginia--Illegal
Wisconsin--Illegal
Wyoming--Legal
* banned by every school board in the state

ETA: being legal doesn't necessarily mean it is practiced. Not sure.

[bozothedeathmachine]

Well, I went to a boarding school run by the Brothers of the Sacred Heart. That's right, a good ole Catholic boarding school in Bay St. Louis, Mississisppi. Considering the nature of my school, it was known for schooling deliquents, and I was sent then for having a discipline issue. So, corporal punishment at my school was a bit of a given, and this was understood at my school.

That being said: I was strapped with leather whip, hit upside the head a couple of times with a hand, poked in the chest with a rather steel-like finger. And when boarders (the residents who lived there, as opposed the "day students" who went home at night), did something that wasn't so serious we had "wall time", which meant we stood with our face against the wall for at least an hour (often going to many hours) after lights out.

[Nogbad]

Ahh! the happiest days of our lives.

[NobbyNobbs]

My 5th grade teacher washed my mouth out with soap. I can't remember the reason why, but she was notorious for it.

My junior high band director threw a pencil at me, but it missed and hit the kid behind me.

That's as bad as it got at my school. This was 25 years ago or so.

[Suddenly]

ETA: being legal doesn't necessarily mean it is practiced. Not sure.

Yeah. They are just asking for a lawsuit when they do this, if not a parent taking some sort of personal revenge.

I went to a punishment happy school as a child. I still have some weird resentment and fear of authority from having the crap knocked out of me, often for no valid reason or based on virtually zero evidence.

Mainly this sort of thing develops kids that think violence and authority are the same thing, and kids who have absolutely no respect for authority. At best it would intimidate children into being meek followers of suspect authority, which is arguably the worst outcome when one considers the big picture.

[slingblade]

This was in 1965. Corporal punishment is till allowed in most American school systems.

I need to see a cite on that factoid.

The information I can find says it's still allowed in 21 states (out of 50, mind), so I seriously question your assertion of "most."

It shouldn't be in any of them, though. If parents can be punished for spanking their own children, then school personnel shouldn't be allowed to touch students either.

[Rob Lister]

I need to see a cite on that factoid.

The information I can find says it's still allowed in 21 states (out of 50, mind), so I seriously question your assertion of "most."

It shouldn't be in any of them, though. If parents can be punished for spanking their own children, then school personnel shouldn't be allowed to touch students either.

I agree that it is likely not 'most' but it is certainly 'many', which is to say that it is "legal" in more than a few. I'm just suggesting that you (and this thread) not get wrapped around 'most' axles.

As an aside, as a somewhat young father I used Corporal Punishment is a tool. A hammer in fact. It wasn't a great tool but it was the only tool I had (being young and ignorant of the existence of better tools). Soon I realized that if your only tool is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail (screws, drink glasses and Jello included). Suffice it to say, I read a book or four and got a clue. Effective tools abound.

[Wildy]

Based on what has happened in my life when I was at school, sometimes I do wonder whether corporal punishment would have helped.

[fuelair]

Seems you're right! Since I live in Virginia (illegal now), and given the likelihood of law suits, I just assumed all schools got a clue.

Where the states stand on corporal punishment:
Alabama--Legal
Alaska--Illegal
Arizona--Legal
Arkansas--Legal
California--Illegal
Colorado--Legal
Connecticut--Illegal
Delaware--Illegal
District of Columbia--N/A
Florida--Legal
Georgia--Legal
Hawaii--Illegal
Idaho--Legal
Illinois--Illegal
Indiana--Legal
Iowa--Illegal
Kansas--Legal
Kentucky--Legal
Louisiana--Legal
Maine--Illegal
Maryland--Illegal
Massachusetts--Illegal
Michigan--Illegal
Minnesota--Illegal
Mississippi--Legal
Missouri--Legal
Montana--Illegal
Nebraska--Illegal
Nevada--Illegal
New Hampshire--Illegal
New Jersey--Illegal
New Mexico--Legal
New York--Illegal
North Carolina--Legal
North Dakota--Illegal
Ohio--Legal
Oklahoma--Legal
Oregon--Illegal
Pennsylvania--Legal
Rhode Island--Restricted*
South Carolina--Legal
South Dakota--Illegal
Tennessee--Legal
Texas--Legal
Utah--Illegal
Vermont--Illegal
Virginia--Illegal
Washington--Illegal
West Virginia--Illegal
Wisconsin--Illegal
Wyoming--Legal
* banned by every school board in the state

ETA: being legal doesn't necessarily mean it is practiced. Not sure.
May be technically legal in FL, but no district I know of does it.

[JoeEllison]

They tried it on me when I was in sixth grade... I guess I was 10 or 11 at the time, and the teacher wanted to paddle me because another student said I kicked "someone". I asked the question "who did I kick, and did they tell you I kicked them?" which is what got me in so much trouble. The fact that I didn't kick anyone, and the teacher hadn't spoken to anyone who said I kicked them, didn't seem to matter much because she was a psychopath who got off on hurting and humiliating people. She dragged three or four of us into a closet, and one by one had the other kids drop their pants and underwear in front of everyone and take a paddling.

When she came to me, I said "No, that's not going to happen. You'd better call my mother, because she's not going to be happy." My mom came in, found out what was going on, and lost her mind. She told the teacher that it was nonsense that I was in trouble on another child's say-so. She told the teacher and the principal that if anyone laid a hand or paddle on me, ever, they could expect her to be there the next day to hit them exactly the same way they hit me.

Good times... :)

[Skeptic Guy]

In sixth grade I got whacked with a ping-pong paddle for doing something I can't remember what. It was only one instance and maybe two to three whacks.

I feel so Brady family...

Now my wife went to a Catholic High School and the ruler on an open palm was frequently used.

[cj.23]

I believe it has been illegal in UK state schools since 1982, and in private schools since about 1990. I could be wrong - in Britain we don't beat children in that way now, and cp is still a recreational affair in the bedroom. L'Vice Anglais... actually there is a good serious academic study, The English Vice, by Gibson I think, Duckworth, circa. 1979.

cj x

[Francesca R]

Corporal punishment is a pretty bad idea and I am happy it is illegal in UK schools. I can elaborate later . . .

[Loss Leader]

This was in 1965. Corporal punishment is till allowed in most American school systems.


I know of no public school in the US that still practices any form of physical punnishment.

The exception is that some teaching methods for autistic students call for physical restraint and other types of touching. This is highly controversial and a subject of intense debate among special needs educators/parents.

[Rob Lister]

I know of no public school in the US that still practices any form of physical punnishment.

The exception is that some teaching methods for autistic students call for physical restraint and other types of touching. This is highly controversial and a subject of intense debate among special needs educators/parents.

Can you link to some of the debate? I'd be interested in reading it. Physical restraint, in certain situations, seems utterly necessary; is the degree of which the debate?

[JoeEllison]

In sixth grade I got whacked with a ping-pong paddle for doing something I can't remember what. It was only one instance and maybe two to three whacks.

The paddle I'm talking about is like one of the stereotypical paddles used to haze frat pledges and such, like this:

http://www.greek101.com/images/products/100.jpg

But, you know, with holes drilled in it.

[NobbyNobbs]

I don't know about corporal punishment, but we often had general punishment, and occasionally major punishment. And it wasn't even a military school!

[Mashuna]

I don't know about corporal punishment, but we often had general punishment, and occasionally major punishment. And it wasn't even a military school!

I'm opposed to capital punishment in schools.

[brodski]

I'm opposed to capital punishment in schools.

Chaos ruled OK in the classroom...

[Mashuna]

Chaos ruled OK in the classroom...

It's true that you have to watch out for those nooligans.

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Ah. Being scarred for life.

In "Lower Infants" when I was four I got called to the front of the class for some infraction or other (I don't even know that at the time I understood what) and the teacher (Miss ?) stood me in front of her and took a swat at my backside. I was never punished by been struck at home and immediately took a swipe back at her rear. She moved away and hit me again; so I moved and hit her back -- all the time balling my eyes out. Round and round we went. Swatting each other and me crying. I cannot remember what the reaction of the combined Upper and Lower Infants class was -- I like to think I remember laughter.

I don't remember how it ended. I don't know if my parents ever knew until I told them years later.

Did it work? Why yes it did. Corporal was legal and applied through the rest of my schooling to the end of high school in Montreal. However, I was never ever hit again by a teacher!

Too damn smart. If I have to say so myself. :D

[uk_dave]

Corporal punishment is a pretty bad idea and I am happy it is illegal in UK schools. I can elaborate later . . .

After the watershed?

[Billdave2]

The paddle I'm talking about is like one of the stereotypical paddles used to haze frat pledges and such, like this:

http://www.greek101.com/images/products/100.jpg

But, you know, with holes drilled in it.

I attended school in two different states growing up (South Carolina and Kentucky) That type paddle was used in Kentucky, but South Carolina I only saw straps. The only time I was ever given corporal punishment was in Kentucky, shortly after we moved there,and the "reason" was I didn't complete all the math problems we had been given. This wasn't homework, it was in class. The teacher just couldn't believe that a student in the fourth grade (age 9 for those not in the US) who could read on an 8th grade level couldn't complete math problems quickly. I got one lick for each problem I did not complete. I tried to explain that I liked to read (hence the high reading level) but that math was something I struggled with. Afterwards when I still couldn't get the assignments finished I think she finally realized I wasn't kidding and layed off. I never got in that much trouble in South Carolina, but we had the option of licks or in-school suspension (usually). No one ever took in-school suspension if they had the choice. The licks weren't very hard, and if you got ISS your parents found out (which would probably result in a much worse paddling).

[wolfgirl]

Growing up in Winnipeg in the 60s and 70s, we did have corporal punishment. The tool of choice was a short, belt-like leather device with some sort of handle, if I recall. It was called simply "the strap," and you got one or two swats across the palm of the hand with it. I was a mouthy kid and often got into trouble. I had my share of strappings and always took them with teeth gritted and no show of emotion.

My favorite memory of this was in junior high, when a teacher decided to punish the whole class for something only a few of us had done (probably me included). I recall it being great fun to watch all the little goody-two-shoes kids who'd never been punished before crying like they were being murdered. That alone was worth the pain!

[Cainkane1]

They tried it on me when I was in sixth grade... I guess I was 10 or 11 at the time, and the teacher wanted to paddle me because another student said I kicked "someone". I asked the question "who did I kick, and did they tell you I kicked them?" which is what got me in so much trouble. The fact that I didn't kick anyone, and the teacher hadn't spoken to anyone who said I kicked them, didn't seem to matter much because she was a psychopath who got off on hurting and humiliating people. She dragged three or four of us into a closet, and one by one had the other kids drop their pants and underwear in front of everyone and take a paddling.

When she came to me, I said "No, that's not going to happen. You'd better call my mother, because she's not going to be happy." My mom came in, found out what was going on, and lost her mind. She told the teacher that it was nonsense that I was in trouble on another child's say-so. She told the teacher and the principal that if anyone laid a hand or paddle on me, ever, they could expect her to be there the next day to hit them exactly the same way they hit me.

Good times... :)
Ok thats wrong. Forcing a child to expose their private areas has to be illegal. Did the other parents sue?

[Cainkane1]

Also I want to add this. I didn't retaliate for my whipping but the other two students did. During summer vacation they came back and painted swastikas and obscenities on the asphalt in white paint. The paint was indelible and for all I know the obscenities s---, f--- and swastikas are there to this day. I don't recall that they ever got caught. I only know that they did it myself because they tried to get me to go with them.

[Loss Leader]

Can you link to some of the debate? I'd be interested in reading it. Physical restraint, in certain situations, seems utterly necessary; is the degree of which the debate?


Here's a thread (http://www.autismspeaks.org/community/forums/showthread.php?t=5794) over at Autism Speaks where parents talk about various forms of physical restraint in special ed classes.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Holy crap, I had no idea it was still legal in so many places.

The US truly is a beacon of "civility" for the world.

[NobbyNobbs]

I don't know about corporal punishment, but we often had general punishment, and occasionally major punishment. And it wasn't even a military school!

I'm opposed to capital punishment in schools.

You seem to have missed my subtle little joke. Perhaps you deserve some private punishment.

[cafink]

Corporal punishment isn't an issue I've thought about very much, so I'm very much open to arguments from either side, but my gut feeling is that a whack on the behind every once in a while never hurt anyone and is probably a fine way to discipline a child. Real child abuse is obviously an entirely different story, as are cases like Wolfgirl's in which children are spanked for no reason whatsoever, but for an actual misbehaving child--what's wrong with a good spanking?

It seems that most here feel that corporal punishment is wrong or "uncivilized," but except for Suddenly's post, nobody's really defended that position. I'd like to see someone who feels strongly about the issue either way explain why they feel the way they do. Convince me.

[Mashuna]

You seem to have missed my subtle little joke. Perhaps you deserve some private punishment.

I got your joke, I was trying to add to it.

Epic fail for me :(

[brodski]

I got your joke, I was trying to add to it.

Epic fail for me :(

now let that be a lesson

(you may have failed to amuse NobbyNobs, but you've given me something to riff on. :D)

[Mashuna]

now let that be a lesson

(you may have failed to amuse NobbyNobs, but you've given me something to riff on. :D)

That'll do for me then :D.

I'm off to the back of the queue. First come, first severed.

[brodski]

That'll do for me then :D.

I'm off to the back of the queue. First come, first severed.

Please may I leave the room sir?

[Ralph]

6TH grade...(about 1961). I got into a shoving match with another student in the classroom.

I pushed him and he fell against a wall telephone which fell & broke.

The next day we were both marched into the principle's office-told the phone system was old & not repairable, and we were both paddled by the principle who was an elderly lady--and it was all we could do NOT to laugh at the whole thing.

The next day--someone glued the phone back together and it was fine.

Today--it would mean lawyers-parents of the kids suing the school--school claiming kids did millions of dollars worth of damage- psychiatrists-counselors-who knows what else.

[Bikewer]

I come from a generation where as a young Catholic lad in the 50s and early 60s, we were supposed to be subject from corporal punishment from sadistic leather-clad nuns....(shhhh...looking at those websites again....)

Ah, anyway.... Never saw much. Very early in "grade" school, I saw a couple of minor whacks dealt out with a paddle, after that, nothing.

Of course, most of us lived in terror of anything that smacked of authority back then anyway.

But to go on.... A few years back, I read a scholarly book called "The English Vice", by which the author was referring to the British penchant for kinky algogenic activities. The author came to the conclusion that it was the widespread practice of public caning in the British "public" schools that fostered such activities.
He seemed to make a fairly compelling case, as I recall...

Spare the rod, spoil the budding BDSM fan?

http://www.amazon.com/English-Vice-Beating-Victorian-England/dp/0394538773/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219278526&sr=8-1

[Suddenly]

Corporal punishment isn't an issue I've thought about very much, so I'm very much open to arguments from either side, but my gut feeling is that a whack on the behind every once in a while never hurt anyone and is probably a fine way to discipline a child. Real child abuse is obviously an entirely different story, as are cases like Wolfgirl's in which children are spanked for no reason whatsoever, but for an actual misbehaving child--what's wrong with a good spanking?

It seems that most here feel that corporal punishment is wrong or "uncivilized," but except for Suddenly's post, nobody's really defended that position. I'd like to see someone who feels strongly about the issue either way explain why they feel the way they do. Convince me.

In real life, as reflected in this thread, teachers abuse this power. The one that whipped the whole class regardless of fault should have been thrown in jail for child abuse, plain and simple. Sometimes they do it without evidence, they do it from anger, they do it because they are sick ****s who themselves were beaten as children and it is time for payback. God only knows the weird repressed feelings that are bouncing around in the head of a nun with a ruler...

If a parent wants to screw up his or her kid by teaching them that violence and pain are the currency of respect, that is at least a choice by a parent.

[Loss Leader]

If a parent wants to screw up his or her kid by teaching them that violence and pain are the currency of respect, that is at least a choice by a parent.


So, in your opinion, should parents be able to opt to send their children to private schools which do use corporal punishment?

Do you think that the right to use physical violence against a child is assignable?


n.b. I don't mean the above to sound as though I am making any judgments about your beliefs. By my wording, I don't mean to imply that physical punishment of a child is legal, illegal, moral or immoral. I can't decide myself what I think is the correct answer and I'm honestly interested in your opinion.

[Suddenly]

So, in your opinion, should parents be able to opt to send their children to private schools which do use corporal punishment?

Do you think that the right to use physical violence against a child is assignable?


n.b. I don't mean the above to sound as though I am making any judgments about your beliefs. By my wording, I don't mean to imply that physical punishment of a child is legal, illegal, moral or immoral. I can't decide myself what I think is the correct answer and I'm honestly interested in your opinion.
Don't mistake tolerance for approval.

Beating children is an aspect of the circle of poverty in my opinion, and is the root of much evil and stupidity. However, I'd rather the parent make this sort of decision than the state.



Although I wouldn't stand for the passing of the choice to a third party. If a parent wants to do such a thing, he or she needs to step up and do the physical act her or his self. Contracting an outside party to decide whether commiting violent acts against your children is warranted and leaving it to them to commit same seems obscene to me.


My opinions are not developed as a parent. Rather they come from my experiences as a child and from observation of convicted felons.

In my opinion, beating children actually enforces the mindset that lands people in prison. A big deal is made of a punishment that is over quickly, and most felons that wind up in the joint are unable to appreciate the lasting ramifications of their conduct. They do wrong, they get a beating, they do wrong again, etc. It breeds disrespect for authority among the hellions and resentment among those that seek to live within the rules.

[richardm]

In my opinion, beating children actually enforces the mindset that lands people in prison. A big deal is made of a punishment that is over quickly, and most felons that wind up in the joint are unable to appreciate the lasting ramifications of their conduct. They do wrong, they get a beating, they do wrong again, etc. It breeds disrespect for authority among the hellions and resentment among those that seek to live within the rules.

Well, I don't want to come across as a Daily Mail reader here, but while your argument seems compelling I humbly submit to disagree. In the UK we banned corporal punishment in schools 26 years ago. So by your argument we should be seeing a great increase in the amount of respect for authority we're seeing amongst the young people- which, as it turns out, we are not seeing.

So I think we could argue that respect and mindset are not particularly negatively affected by corporal punishment, and that we should cut to the chase and say that we should avoid corporal punishment simply because striking another human being (especially a defenceless one whom you have utter power over) is morally bankrupt.

While I'm thinking about this: The last 26 years have been the first 26 years in history where British children have not been routinely thrashed in schools. I can't see that there has been a great improvement in behaviour since, or that the kids produced before the 1980s were notably more mentally deranged than those who were not thrashed since.

[Francesca R]

After the watershed?Well, once I had more time.

Corporal punishment isn't an issue I've thought about very much, so I'm very much open to arguments from either sideOK

my gut feeling is that a whack on the behind every once in a while never hurt anyoneIf that is so, what does it do?

and is probably a fine way to discipline a childHow exactly is it expected to do that?

what's wrong with a good spanking?Wrong question I think. What is beneficial about it?

Relevant questions are 1) Does it correct undesred behaviour and 2) does it deter undesired behaviour? I don't think any other question, such as "Does it avenge the victim?" is valid.

I see nothing about the physical violence aspect that would do either of 1 or 2 unless it was sufficiently frightening and potentially (physically) harmful that it scared the recipient--there became a physical disincentive to behave badly again. And that would be barbaric and uncivilised, and would teach those qualities too.

Emotional or mental disincentives can--as far as I can work out--be equally well achieved (and not always achieved) by non-physical punishment and by naming and shaming.

In summary, the physical aspect achieves nothing of positive value and something of negative value.

[gumboot]

A father here in New Zealand is facing assault charges for flicking his misbehaving son behind the ear. Needless to say, teachers cannot physically punish students in this country.

[BPSCG]

This just in (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SCHOOLS_CORPORAL_PUNISHMENT?SITE=1010WINS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT):
Paddlings, swats, licks. Paddlings, swats, licks. A quarter of a million schoolchildren got them last year - and blacks, American Indians and kids with disabilities got a disproportionate share of the punishment, according to a study by a human rights group.
Teachers - they're all racists...

I got paddled once, for yakking with the kid sitting behind me in gym class while the teacher was taking attendance.

I also had a tiny old English teacher - probably not more than 4' 10" - start furiously beating on me one day when she heard me mouthing off at her from outside her closed classroom door. I decided not to slug her back, since she wasn't really hurting me (she hit like a girl...) and even my stupid 16-year-old brain realized that whatever trouble I might be in now (I got suspended for a day) would be seriously compounded if I were to hit her back.

[shemp]

I'm opposed to capital punishment in schools.

Coddler!

[shadron]

I come from a generation where as a young Catholic lad in the 50s and early 60s, we were supposed to be subject from corporal punishment from sadistic leather-clad nuns....(shhhh...looking at those websites again....)

Ah, anyway.... Never saw much. Very early in "grade" school, I saw a couple of minor whacks dealt out with a paddle, after that, nothing.

Of course, most of us lived in terror of anything that smacked of authority back then anyway.

I've got to agree with Bikewar. I was in Catholic schools from 3rd grade in 1955 through undergrad college, and I don't think I was whacked once (can't remember any), and I don't actually remember much of anyone else getting it, either. The threat was always there, and there was the occasional nun/brother's hand across the top of the head for someone who had the temerity to smart off, or talk when silence was the rule. There were rulers slapped across desks, and there were check problems (ye gods, take a five digit number and multiply it by 2, then 3, then 4,...up to 12, and the divide it by 2, 3, ...12, and you'd better get the same number back). Mostly it was stiff respect and some measure of humor (looking back 50 years later through rose colored glasses?) that got us through, as I remember. And, yes, parents backed up the teachers.

[pgwenthold]

I've got to agree with Bikewar. I was in Catholic schools from 3rd grade in 1955 through undergrad college, and I don't think I was whacked once (can't remember any), and I don't actually remember much of anyone else getting it, either.

I had Sister Claire Marie Meyer in second grade.

She would routinely hit us, using various techniques, for various infractions. I don't remember all of them, but I do remember one, in particular. We were making posters for a local heritage event, which was, in fact, having a poster competition. I made my poster using colored magic markers, and, I don't remember exactly what I was drawing, but I messed it up in some way (of course, it was not correctable). I got hit for that one. Amazingly, despite that, I still won second prize in that poster competition. Just goes to show that good ideas can still get recognized (it was a nice poster, I remember).

So those were the kinds of things that led to getting hit. Coloring outside the lines in artclass, failure to make letters properly in handwriting, and other academic mistakes in addition to behavioral problems. We had a student who was very developmentally challenged, well behind the rest of the class in ability and seriously LD, and he got hit all the time.

Now, in terms of getting hit, it was never a paddle. She would just use whatever she had in her hand as a weapon, whether it was a ruler, a stapler, or the handle of a scissors. She tended to hit the back of your head (feel that notch at the back of your skull -around there). If she didn't have something in her hand, she would turn around her big fat nun ring and use the stone.

This was in the mid-70s (it was around Centennial time in 1976).

The problem was, we never really did anything about it. Mom insists that we never told her, and she could be right (we talked about it all the time among classmates and all the kids knew of it (especially my older brothers)), but I can't imagine they never got wind of it. Then again, we were so afraid of her and she made us feel so bad about ourselves, that we may not have said anything, believing we deserved it.

I should mention, the physical abuse was only half of it. She was also a master at mental abuse, and would consistently humiliate us for everything we did wrong. So while berating and hitting us, she would be doing the equivalent of the big brother thing, "What, are you going to cry now, baby? Oh quit crying, I barely touched you." I won't say that was the exact words, but that was exactly what it was like in effect (believe me, I had enough older brothers to get that treatment all the time). But with her it was in front of my friends and classmates.

Keep in mind that I was in 2nd grade. A lot of you have related your 6th grade stories, but we were only 8 years old!

I always say, I am not a hateful person, and I tend to look for the best in people. However, I always worry about how I would respond if I ever saw her again. This is the only time you will here me say it, but hopefully, she is dead so I won't have any chance of seeing her anywhere. She was an evil, evil woman and I will never forgive her.

If she is still alive, she is probably in her 80s. If I were to meet her on the street, I would probably knock her over. I don't care what would happen to me.

She didn't last much longer at my school, BTW. A friend of mine two years behind in school made it happen. She had heard so many horror stories about the old witch that she would basically go into hysterics every morning before schooling, screaming about how she didn't want to go. Instead of just making her go, her mom found out why, and started learning about what was actually going on in that classroom. The nun didn't last long after that point.

A lot of people owe my friend big time for getting that old cow out of town, and away from kids. Thanks, Oscar!

[PaKu]

I've allways wondered, if a kid hits back, would it be considered self-defence?

[shadron]

I had Sister Claire Marie Meyer in second grade.

Maybe I was lucky to have been in second grade in a public school.

[Lonewulf]

I've allways wondered, if a kid hits back, would it be considered self-defence?Nope. That's when they call the police and get the kid handcuffed to teach him a lesson.

[pgwenthold]

Maybe I was lucky to have been in second grade in a public school.


Yeah, but then again, you would have missed Sister Janet in the 5th grade. The woman so weak (not talking physically, although she was) and hopeless that 10 year olds walked all over her (curiously, it was the same developmentally challenged and LD student who was the worst).

There were definately good years and bad years. 2nd grade was definately a horror, but 3rd grade and the first half of 4th grade were spectacular (my old third grade teacher is now the principal at the school). Unfortunately, our 4th grade teacher left in the middle of the year and our class went out of control (with two old biddies coming in as replacements).

It is a very sad story, because the one most affected was the student referred to above. Our 4th grade teacher had a wonderful interaction with him, and he loved her like nothing else. He was doing things with her that no other teachers could get him to do, and was really developing well. When she left, he couldn't deal with it. He was never the same after that.

This isn't a catholic school thing, though, but just a really unfortunate series of events.

[Mark6]

I oppose corporate punishment of children, particularly of girls. In my experience, women who had been spanked/paddled in childhood are all but impossible to get interested in S&M. What a waste! :D

[matty.the.damned]

All the schools I attended (except for my last two years which spent in a state school) used corporal punishment on boys with considerable enthusiasm.

I and most of the other boys were caned and/or strapped with tedious regularity for just about any offence.

If deterrence was the objective then it failed considering the number of beatings I received between 1980 and 1991. I suppose it worked on the more delicate types.

Girls were not allowed to be beaten and were sentenced to detentions and similar interminable punishments which usually involved some degree of parental notification. The floggings handed out to us boys were generally swift, summary and didn't include your parents being informed.

So whilst the girls laboured in the schoolroom equivalent of the Augean Stables, we just had to endure a sore arse (or hand) for a few hours with the standard bollocking from the master who dealt the strokes. Also, the ability to receive a beating with a suitably manly demeanour earned one enhanced standing amongst one's fellows.

So I'm opposed to beating children. There are far more unpleasant things one can and indeed should subject them to.

MtD

[shadron]

I oppose corporate punishment of children, particularly of girls. In my experience, women who had been spanked/paddled in childhood are all but impossible to get interested in S&M. What a waste! :D

I presume that is "corporal". Corporates do what they damned well please.

[shadron]

Yeah, but then again, you would have missed Sister Janet in the 5th grade. The woman so weak (not talking physically, although she was) and hopeless that 10 year olds walked all over her (curiously, it was the same developmentally challenged and LD student who was the worst).

For fifth we had Sr. Agnes, who was a 4'10" 70 year old nun who could whisper a lion to sleep in her classroom - she was that good. The only thing I got in trouble about was when one morning my best friend (may his soul rot) told Sr. Agnes that I spent a quarter (a whole quarter!) on candy on the way to school. Sr. Agnes was sure at least 50 kids in Africa were dead for my thoughtlessness (because I should have given it to the missions, don' you see), and she made the whole rest of the school aware of that fact, too.

We had a 7th grade teacher name Sr. Luticia (I kid you not) who was hell on wheels, though. Never hit anyone, but everyone always felt the heavy hand hanging right...over...them. Ideal for junior high age.

[Aitch]

We had corporal punishment when I was at school (back in the dark ages :)) - a clip around the ear at junior school and the strap at secondary (good RC grammar school).

Never did me any harm :boggled:

[cj.23]

I strongly oppose cp in schools or any use of violence in education. One of the strongest reasons why can be found by typing "spanking" in to Google -- or "corporal punishment" or whatever. 99% of the sites returned are sexual in nature -- this is a major fetish enjoyed by consenting adults. Thta's cool by me, but why expose children to something where adults can act out sexual roles towards them~? You see the problem?

cj x

[richardm]

By that argument you shouldn't dress girls in school uniforms either.

[Mark6]

I presume that is "corporal". Corporates do what they damned well please.

Oops. Of course I meant "corporal". Sometimes typos wind up actual words.

[Mark6]

I strongly oppose cp in schools or any use of violence in education. One of the strongest reasons why can be found by typing "spanking" in to Google -- or "corporal punishment" or whatever. 99% of the sites returned are sexual in nature -- this is a major fetish enjoyed by consenting adults. Thta's cool by me, but why expose children to something where adults can act out sexual roles towards them~? You see the problem?

Speaking as a dedicated spanking fetishist, I do not agree, at least not fully. I never spank my children, mostly because other punishment methods are more effective, but if I had to I would not "get off" on it. I do not find children sexually attractive, and hence would not get anything sexual out of spanking them. Neither, to the best of my knowledge, would any other spanking fetishist I know -- whether male of female, they all like adult bodies[1]. To get off on spanking a child, one would have to be a fetishist AND a pedophile.

[1] Never mind that 16-17 year old girls do have "adult bodies" and in fact were considered adults for most of human history.

[fuelair]

Don't mistake tolerance for approval.

Beating children is an aspect of the circle of poverty in my opinion, and is the root of much evil and stupidity. However, I'd rather the parent make this sort of decision than the state.



Although I wouldn't stand for the passing of the choice to a third party. If a parent wants to do such a thing, he or she needs to step up and do the physical act her or his self. Contracting an outside party to decide whether commiting violent acts against your children is warranted and leaving it to them to commit same seems obscene to me.


My opinions are not developed as a parent. Rather they come from my experiences as a child and from observation of convicted felons.

In my opinion, beating children actually enforces the mindset that lands people in prison. A big deal is made of a punishment that is over quickly, and most felons that wind up in the joint are unable to appreciate the lasting ramifications of their conduct. They do wrong, they get a beating, they do wrong again, etc. It breeds disrespect for authority among the hellions and resentment among those that seek to live within the rules.A woman - ex-teacher,ex-principal - named Ruby Payne wrote a book and runs a program about poverty and the practices that are commonly found in it - with generational poverty being the primary topic. One of the characteristics that are typical of G.P. as regards discipline is: child misbehaves, child is disciplined (hit, beaten, slapped across room) and the incident is never mentioned again. As you note, the result of this is that children who grow up in poverty learn at least two very bad lessons for dealing with the real world: A)punishment is always hard but over quickly and B) the deed (crime) doesn't affect anything after the punishment for it occurs. Obviously this is not quite how the justice system works and sort of explains partly recidivism, etc. Notes: due to a lot of the things Payne speaks of in her examples (which are basically correct) being used in certain older films I love to say she is making money for remembering how the poor acted in 1930s films.

[fuelair]

I had Sister Claire Marie Meyer in second grade.

She would routinely hit us, using various techniques, for various infractions. I don't remember all of them, but I do remember one, in particular. We were making posters for a local heritage event, which was, in fact, having a poster competition. I made my poster using colored magic markers, and, I don't remember exactly what I was drawing, but I messed it up in some way (of course, it was not correctable). I got hit for that one. Amazingly, despite that, I still won second prize in that poster competition. Just goes to show that good ideas can still get recognized (it was a nice poster, I remember).

So those were the kinds of things that led to getting hit. Coloring outside the lines in artclass, failure to make letters properly in handwriting, and other academic mistakes in addition to behavioral problems. We had a student who was very developmentally challenged, well behind the rest of the class in ability and seriously LD, and he got hit all the time.

Now, in terms of getting hit, it was never a paddle. She would just use whatever she had in her hand as a weapon, whether it was a ruler, a stapler, or the handle of a scissors. She tended to hit the back of your head (feel that notch at the back of your skull -around there). If she didn't have something in her hand, she would turn around her big fat nun ring and use the stone.

This was in the mid-70s (it was around Centennial time in 1976).

The problem was, we never really did anything about it. Mom insists that we never told her, and she could be right (we talked about it all the time among classmates and all the kids knew of it (especially my older brothers)), but I can't imagine they never got wind of it. Then again, we were so afraid of her and she made us feel so bad about ourselves, that we may not have said anything, believing we deserved it.

I should mention, the physical abuse was only half of it. She was also a master at mental abuse, and would consistently humiliate us for everything we did wrong. So while berating and hitting us, she would be doing the equivalent of the big brother thing, "What, are you going to cry now, baby? Oh quit crying, I barely touched you." I won't say that was the exact words, but that was exactly what it was like in effect (believe me, I had enough older brothers to get that treatment all the time). But with her it was in front of my friends and classmates.

Keep in mind that I was in 2nd grade. A lot of you have related your 6th grade stories, but we were only 8 years old!

I always say, I am not a hateful person, and I tend to look for the best in people. However, I always worry about how I would respond if I ever saw her again. This is the only time you will here me say it, but hopefully, she is dead so I won't have any chance of seeing her anywhere. She was an evil, evil woman and I will never forgive her.

If she is still alive, she is probably in her 80s. If I were to meet her on the street, I would probably knock her over. I don't care what would happen to me.

She didn't last much longer at my school, BTW. A friend of mine two years behind in school made it happen. She had heard so many horror stories about the old witch that she would basically go into hysterics every morning before schooling, screaming about how she didn't want to go. Instead of just making her go, her mom found out why, and started learning about what was actually going on in that classroom. The nun didn't last long after that point.

A lot of people owe my friend big time for getting that old cow out of town, and away from kids. Thanks, Oscar!
Kick her cane out from under her. Sadists are sadists.

[fuelair]

Those interested in this thread might want to see the film The Magdalene Sisters. On my nicest day I would have shot them down without a thought.

[maxfrost]

Those interested in this thread might want to see the film The Magdalene Sisters. On my nicest day I would have shot them down without a thought.

And transported the families who sent the girls to them to Devil's Island.

[fuelair]

And transported the families who sent the girls to them to Devil's Island.
I like it!!:)

[Skeptic Guy]

The paddle I'm talking about is like one of the stereotypical paddles used to haze frat pledges and such, like this:

http://www.greek101.com/images/products/100.jpg

But, you know, with holes drilled in it.

Ouch...that hurt. I got off lucky.

[pgwenthold]

Kick her cane out from under her. Sadists are sadists.

I fear it would be too subtle.

A slap upside the back of her head would be appropriate; even moreso if I had a big scissors whose handle I could utilize.

[Damien Evans]

Ahh! the happiest days of our lives.

But in the town it was well known when they got home at night their fat, psychopathic wives would thrash them within inches of their lives!

[joobie]

Maybe I was lucky to have been in second grade in a public school.

my second grade teacher left 4 kids at the zoo for not being back at the bus on time.

the philadelphia zoo is not in the world's greatest neighborhood.

[Lonewulf]

my second grade teacher left 4 kids at the zoo for not being back at the bus on time.

the philadelphia zoo is not in the world's greatest neighborhood.o_O

[Nogbad]

But in the town it was well known when they got home at night their fat, psychopathic wives would thrash them within inches of their lives!

I wished :D

[cwalner]

You seem to have missed my subtle little joke. Perhaps you deserve some private punishment.

Don't you mean private punishment

[Cuddles]

I have to say, I'm somewhat torn on this issue. I don't oppose physical punishment on general principles. Children are not entirely rational all the time and simply saying "No" won't always cut it. There are times when a quick clip around the ear is entirely appropriate, and the fanatics who claim that even something that mild is child abuse are just plain nuts. When it's not acceptable to even physically restrain a violent child, something is definitiley wrong. With schools, there's also the extra problem that while it's possible to raise a child without ever needing to use physical punishment, many parents just aren't that good as parents. If a child has been brought up knowing that it can get away with doing anything it likes and all that will ever happen is a few words it doesn't care about, how is a teacher supposed to keep control?

However, the problem, as always, is where the limits should be and how they could be enforced. If any kind of physical punishment is allowed, there will be people who take it too far. Some of the stories in this thread are excessive enough (being beaten for colouring outside the lines is just insane), and they're not even close to some of the worst practice that happened. I can't really see any practical way of policing this, and even proper policing could only catch people after they have abused children. Given that, the only conclusion I can really come to is that although I think corporal punishment could be useful within certain limits, the only sensible course is to ban it entirely.

Even without corporal punishment, people still need to keep a sense of proportion though. Touching a child is not necesarily abuse. Restraing a violent child, giving your own kid a little clip, and so on, are really not in the same league as someone trashing a child within an inch of its life with a cricket bat. While we shouldn't let people beat children for no apparent reason, neither should we arrest or sue people who don't even come close to crossing the line.

[jdp]

I don't think this is done anywhere in the US any more. Even if there are specific states that don't explicitly make it illegal. It is even frowned upon for a parent to discipline their kid in this way and if anyone hit a kid, or an adult for that matter, to the point where they were as black and blue as the OP was, they could expect some kind of assault charge and probably also some civil liability too. Even if it was a cop who did it, his dashboard cam or other witnesses had better make it clear that this was necessary.

[noch1Narr]

In middle school in Germany in the early Fifties I was punished for snowball throwing at girls: my hefty teacher used a pencil-thick bamboo stick across my outstretched hand, several times. Did that ever smart! And if you made a face or if you cried, the rest of the class, especially the girls, would giggle/laugh. Thank you very much!
In public high school (called Gymnasium in Germany) I got caught once passing around a dirty picture (involving a couple of nuns and a donkey). Punishment: several slaps across the face and some loud yelling at me by the teacher. I foolishly mentioned this at home and got some more of the same!
I do not think back at those incidents as having been child abuse.
I wish I still had that dang picture though! :)

[cwalner]

I got caught once passing around a dirty picture (involving a couple of nuns and a donkey). Punishment: several slaps across the face and some loud yelling at me by the teacher.

Thank God you didn't go to Catholic School :D

[godofpie]

For your amusement.
http://www.trutv.com/shows/principals_office/index.html

[Soapy Sam]

Our teachers used...sarcasm.
I've been emotionally stunted ever since.

Who do I sue?

[Beerina]

When I was in highschool in my senior year I was sent to the principals office for throwing paper wads. I had been there two other times that week for talking in class. I was sent to the office with two football players who had also been to the office three times that week. The football coach doubled as vice principal and he gave us two choices. Ten strikes with a razor strop or ten days kicked out of school. All three of us opted for the whipping. I offered to go first and he really whipped my butt good. I didn't cry but my face was red. The other two tried to opt out of the whipping after seeing what had happened to me but the coach stood firm. First one and then the other athlete was whipped and whipped good. After school I looked at my butt in the mirror and it was black, blue, yello, red and basically looked like a scewed rainbow. It took three weeks for all of the bruisnig to disappear. I was told by the players later on that they had had the same results.

Anyone else have a story like this?


Yes!


When I was in highschool in my senior year I was sent to the principal's office for putting on makeup in class. I had been there two other times that week for talking in class. I was sent to the office with two other cheerleaders who had also been to the office three times that week. The cheerleading coach doubled as vice principal and she gave us two choices. Ten strikes with a razor strop or ten days kicked out of school. All three of us opted for the whipping.

I offered to go first and she really whipped my butt good. I didn't cry but my face was red. The other two tried to opt out of the whipping after seeing what had happened to me but the coach stood firm. First one and then the other athlete was whipped and whipped good.

After school I looked at my butt in the mirror and it was black, blue, yello, red and basically looked like a scewed rainbow. The other girls looked much the same. Becky, who was around 5 foot 1, had fairly wide hips in spite of a tiny waist, and her round bottom was shockingly red, a tremendous contrast to her creamy white skin. Debbie and I were both about 5 foot 9, and not quite so hippy, though we still had quite the hourglass figures.

"Olivia, let me see you." Olivia was my nickname, because I looked just like Olivia Munn, but with much larger, natural, heavy, pendulous breasts and 4" diameter dark areolae. My real name was Bertie, short for...well, let's just say I'm glad nobody knew my real name.

"Ow ow ow!" I said as I laid face down on the bed.

"Here, I'll help you," said Debbie. Laughing nervously she reached under my hips and unbucled my pants. Then with a laugh, Becky grabbed the ankle cuffs and yanked them off. "Ow!" I yelped again as the denim pulled over my savaged bottom. We began to compare each other's butts.

"Geeze, you're as bad as Becky," said Debbie. "What are we gonna do?"

"I don't know. Check my mom's bottom drawer there. I think she has some painkilling cream in there. We can rub it on each other's sore butts."

"Haha," squealed Becky. She yanked the drawer open. "I see some books and a clipper. But no...oh wait, here it is, way in the back. And some Vaseline too. And, whoa! What's this? OMFG!!! Check it out!"

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Part II to come...

[OneDollarWilliam]

I am very surprised to find my state on the list where CP is still legal. My wife and mother are both teachers, and there is NO touching of any kind allowed at any level; especially corporal punishment. My wife is put in a tricky situation if a student even wants to hug her. The CP law may still be on the books, but it is about as antiquated as "No one may carry an ice cream cone in their back pocket if it is Sunday." (This is a real GA law.)

[Cainkane1]

Yes!


When I was in highschool in my senior year I was sent to the principal's office for putting on makeup in class. I had been there two other times that week for talking in class. I was sent to the office with two other cheerleaders who had also been to the office three times that week. The cheerleading coach doubled as vice principal and she gave us two choices. Ten strikes with a razor strop or ten days kicked out of school. All three of us opted for the whipping.

I offered to go first and she really whipped my butt good. I didn't cry but my face was red. The other two tried to opt out of the whipping after seeing what had happened to me but the coach stood firm. First one and then the other athlete was whipped and whipped good.

After school I looked at my butt in the mirror and it was black, blue, yello, red and basically looked like a scewed rainbow. The other girls looked much the same. Becky, who was around 5 foot 1, had fairly wide hips in spite of a tiny waist, and her round bottom was shockingly red, a tremendous contrast to her creamy white skin. Debbie and I were both about 5 foot 9, and not quite so hippy, though we still had quite the hourglass figures.

"Olivia, let me see you." Olivia was my nickname, because I looked just like Olivia Munn, but with much larger, natural, heavy, pendulous breasts and 4" diameter dark areolae. My real name was Bertie, short for...well, let's just say I'm glad nobody knew my real name.

"Ow ow ow!" I said as I laid face down on the bed.

"Here, I'll help you," said Debbie. Laughing nervously she reached under my hips and unbucled my pants. Then with a laugh, Becky grabbed the ankle cuffs and yanked them off. "Ow!" I yelped again as the denim pulled over my savaged bottom. We began to compare each other's butts.

"Geeze, you're as bad as Becky," said Debbie. "What are we gonna do?"

"I don't know. Check my mom's bottom drawer there. I think she has some painkilling cream in there. We can rub it on each other's sore butts."

"Haha," squealed Becky. She yanked the drawer open. "I see some books and a clipper. But no...oh wait, here it is, way in the back. And some Vaseline too. And, whoa! What's this? OMFG!!! Check it out!"

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§cÿÃjqÿŧØl®·ýeland I realized that, yes, I truly was into the fairer sex. We set about hatching a plan to get back at our cheerleading coach/vice principal, and get her good.

Part II to come...
HUH? A little plagery is fine but you copied my whole story. Girls didn't get whippings. They had to come in on saturdays for lenghty periods of time.

[Cainkane1]

By the way, I forgot to add this. When I was sent to the office the coach saw me and said rather sadistically, "Well well, if it ain't my ol pal John". "I see you've been in trouble three times this week". "Well guess what"? "You got two choices". "Ten licks or ten days". "Whats it gonna be?" The rest is history. Actually this was worse than the whipping because he was so eager and apparently happy.

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Yes!
When I was in highschool in my senior year I was sent to the principal's office for putting on makeup in class.

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Part II to come...

Can you please re-sync your modem? The text you sent seems to be somewhat garbled.

:mad:

[BPSCG]

§cÿÃjqÿŧØl®·ýeland I realized that, yes, I truly was into the fairer sex. We set about hatching a plan to get back at our cheerleading coach/vice principal, and get her good.

Part II to come...(***...BPSCG throws glass of cold water in face...***)