John Lennon Is In Hell...

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

The Lord allowed us to see a man who was inside of one of the cauldrons. He was upside down and the flesh on his face was falling in pieces. He remained watching the Lord intently; and then started to shout and call on the name of Jesus. He said, "Lord have mercy! Lord give me a chance! Lord take me out of this place!" But the Lord Jesus didn't want to look at him. Jesus simply turned his back on him. When Jesus did this, the man started to curse and blaspheme the Lord. This man was John Lennon, the member of the satanic music group "The Beatles." John Lennon was a man who mocked and made fun of the Lord during his life. He said that the Christianity was going to disappear and Jesus Christ would be forgotten by everyone. However, today this man is in hell and Jesus Christ is alive!! Christianity hasn't disappeared either.

Apparently these seven youths claim God sent them to Hell and that while in Hell they saw John Lennon being tortured among other things all of which can be read here (http://www.hellandjustice.com/john_lennon_hell.htm) and here (http://www.freecdtracts.com/testimony/revelation_of_hell_by_7_youths.htm). I find this very curious; not just that they saw John Lennon who seems to be a favorite target of Theists, but that God actually revealed himself to these individuals so that they could spread His message. Yet despite this people such as this who make unverifiable claims aren't taken seriously by many people within the religious community. I doubt even some of JREF's most extreme Christians believe these people went through what they claim.

So on a somewhat related note I do have a question for some people here; particularly the religious folks. If God did indeed allow these people to see Hell and, in effect, saved them from Hell for eternity by revealing to them the Truth; is God in fact responsible for these people's torment? And if the answer is yes; doesn't that in fact mean that these people did not go through what they say they do?

ETA: The whole thing is irrelevent anyways if you're willing to stoop to arguing theology. Paul specifically said in regards to his visit to Heaven and Hell that you are not permitted to speak of what you see. And of course people who have written on this subject like Kenneth Hagin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Hagin) and Mary Baxter claimed that refusing to believe in the new "prophets" automatically equals damnation. With Hagin going so far as to claim that anyone, especially ministers, states that he is not a prophet of God that person will drop dead instantly. I've proved that wrong and I'll do it again. Kenneth Hagin is not a prophet of God. You'll notice I'm still typing. I'll even post a follow-up twenty-four hours from now to ensure that I am not dead.

On another note: the owner of the Hell And Justice webpage of course has a problem with Darwin (http://www.hellandjustice.com/human_eye.htm) too.

[gdnp]

Strange that god does not reveal this to everyone, so that they could make an informed decision on how they wish to live their lives.

[devnull]

wow, magic mushrooms?

[not daSkeptic]

Strange that god does not reveal this to everyone, so that they could make an informed decision on how they wish to live their lives.
If God did that then we'd all know he really existed. Faith would not be required. We wouldn't need priests or other figures of religious authority to tell us about him. The power structure would be gone.

[Chris H]

*SINGING*
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds!!

Chris

[Tricky]

Just imagine!

[Cainkane1]

Some churches believe that even if you are a Christian you'll go to hell for not worshipping God the same way they do. Since hell is nothing more than a lake with fire in it instead of water then some believers are in the same cauldron with ol John.

[billydkid]

I don't know, but if I'm upside down, burning in hell with the meat hanging off my face I think I'd be a little too preoccupied to be "cursing and blaspheming" the Lord. And how does this work, does the meat fall off your face and then grow back so that it can keep falling off for eternity?

[Mr Blue Sky]

Just imagine!

Aww, beaten to the punch.

[moon1969]

Imposible there is only one god and he is a very good friend of George W. Bush, Bush family and te republicans. His name is Sun Myung Moon and the moonies are his disciples. I really don"t know if Ted Haggard is a moonie or not but Ted Haggard is a gay sexaholic. Oh yeah and few other great religious people like John Hagee or pastor Jeremiah Wright. Lets not forget Pat Robertson and Charles Taylor. And didn"t even Billy Graham made anti semitic jokes with Richard Nixon? Oh god bless the holy people like Dalai Lama or Mother Teressa and gandhi. All holy people seem to be the bigest hypocrites and liars. John Lennon can"t be in hell. John Lennon is not holy enough like those other people.

[Moi.Frenchie]

So God isn't a Beatles fan? He probably likes the Stones...

[moon1969]

And if anybody is going to be in hell its going to be Tom Delay, Jack Abramoff, David Safavian, Grover Norquist and Ralph Reed. All are "holy" crooks who claim to worship Jesus. Too bad Delay and Reed said that evangelicals are wackos. No they really said that its true.

[moon1969]

Did Fred "god hates fags" Phelps say that John Lennon was in hell? :D

[The Painter]

I don't know, but if I'm upside down, burning in hell with the meat hanging off my face I think I'd be a little too preoccupied to be "cursing and blaspheming" the Lord.

You'd be surprised. You get used to it.



And how does this work, does the meat fall off your face and then grow back so that it can keep falling off for eternity?

Yes, like Prometheus. Vultures ate his liver in the day and it grew back at night.


So God isn't a Beatles fan? He probably likes the Stones...

No, God likes ABBA

[moon1969]

Ah then there is the holy man John Doolittle who is a very good friend of Jack Abramoff.

[moon1969]

If god puts people like John Lennon in hell and god lets people like John Doolittle or Bob Ney go to heaven then god is a very evil man or a woman.

[Beerina]

The Lord allowed us to see a man who was inside of one of the cauldrons. He was upside down and the flesh on his face was falling in pieces. He remained watching the Lord intently; and then started to shout and call on the name of Jesus. He said, "Lord have mercy! Lord give me a chance! Lord take me out of this place!" But the Lord Jesus didn't want to look at him. Jesus simply turned his back on him. When Jesus did this, the man started to curse and blaspheme the Lord. This man was John Lennon, the member of the satanic music group "The Beatles." John Lennon was a man who mocked and made fun of the Lord during his life. He said that the Christianity was going to disappear and Jesus Christ would be forgotten by everyone. However, today this man is in hell and Jesus Christ is alive!! Christianity hasn't disappeared either.

I would like to point out to Christians who believe this that neither John nor anyone else believes in Jesus precisely because we don't see him. So creating a fraudulent context where Jesus clearly exists and is still "rejected" is completly, what's the word? Idiotic. Cathartic for you, perhaps. But idiotic.

"You didn't believe in me without proof, so here's lots of torture for you! Yes, I know there wasn't proof there'd be torture, either, but you were supposed to be scared enough of the possibility to maybe follow through. If you logically rejected it, well, enjoy the pain."

I suppose this just demonstrates God hates logic.



Apparently these seven youths claim God sent them to Hell and that while in Hell they saw John Lennon being tortured among other things

And people express incredulity when presented with the suggestion that The Bible was just made up. This is how it happens, folks!


So on a somewhat related note I do have a question for some people here; particularly the religious folks. If God did indeed allow these people to see Hell and, in effect, saved them from Hell for eternity by revealing to them the Truth; is God in fact responsible for these people's torment? And if the answer is yes; doesn't that in fact mean that these people did not go through what they say they do?

Not sure I follow you. "The devil will torture you, but he's only doing God's bidding" has long been a theological problem. Best not to think about it too deeply and just keep sending in your checks.

ETA: The whole thing is irrelevent anyways

Stop right there. No more need be said.

[applecorped]

John wrote a song for God, entitled "God". It apparently didn't go over well with the big guy:

"God is a concept by which we measure our pain".

God always liked Paul best.

[JohnG]

God likes ABBA

Ah-Haaaaaaaa!




Anyway, if there IS a rock and roll hell, you know they've got a heavenly band.

[Aitch]

Ah-Haaaaaaaa!

Anyway, if there IS a rock and roll hell, you know they've got a heavenly band.

But I thought that the devil had all the good music! :cool:

That's a quote from somewhere, just not sure where :blush:

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

Not sure I follow you. "The devil will torture you, but he's only doing God's bidding" has long been a theological problem. Best not to think about it too deeply and just keep sending in your checks.

Supposedly God does not condemn people to Hell but people condemn themselves to Hell. If God reveals Hell to these individuals then is he not responsible for the eternal torture of those he does not reveal Hell to?

In anycase these individuals contradict themselves and the bible. When Paul had Heaven and Hell revealed to him he claimed that God commanded him to not write of what he saw. And, biblically speaking, the theological concept that Satan and his demons rule Hell and deliver punishments onto humanity for their non-belief is a myth and is not-biblical in any sense.

Stop right there. No more need be said.

Quite so.

[ServiceSoon]

So God isn't a Beatles fan? He probably likes the Stones... You have it all wrong. God likes to get stoned.

[Beerina]

Supposedly God does not condemn people to Hell but people condemn themselves to Hell. If God reveals Hell to these individuals then is he not responsible for the eternal torture of those he does not reveal Hell to?

Sure. But he's responsible in both cases.

A crook says, "I'm gonna shoot you in the face if you walk near me." So someone walks near them anyway, and gets shot.

"Well, it was your fault!"

Would that stand up in a court of law? No?

Huh.






In anycase these individuals contradict themselves and the bible. When Paul had Heaven and Hell revealed to him he claimed that God commanded him to not write of what he saw.

I think God meant details, like names, addresses, and dates.

It's an old fraudster's trick, "I saw the future, but I can't tell you because you can't handle it/it must play out as it is supposed to."

In modern times, psychics use it. When asked why they didn't predict a big event, they will lie say (after the fact, of course) that they did suspect something big was up, but that they didn't reveal it because they were worried about the panic they'd cause.



And, biblically speaking, the theological concept that Satan and his demons rule Hell and deliver punishments onto humanity for their non-belief is a myth

In the bigger picture, it doesn't matter whether I'm thrown into the lake of lava by a guy with horns or a guy with a halo.

[bokonon]

I don't know, but if I'm upside down, burning in hell with the meat hanging off my face I think I'd be a little too preoccupied to be "cursing and blaspheming" the Lord. And how does this work, does the meat fall off your face and then grow back so that it can keep falling off for eternity?
That's what it says in the Quran. No second chances, but Allah the "most merciful" will happily give you a new skin so it can have the pleasure of burning your flesh off again. It doesn't do this just to amuse itself, but also to entertain the people in paradise whose primary activity (apart from sitting around and eating) is to laugh at the damned.

Those folks who visited hell and saw John Lennon in a cauldron apparently think Jesus is one mean S.O.B. And that's what they want to worship. Pretty sick, if you ask me.

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

I think God meant details, like names, addresses, and dates.

It's an old fraudster's trick, "I saw the future, but I can't tell you because you can't handle it/it must play out as it is supposed to."

In modern times, psychics use it. When asked why they didn't predict a big event, they will lie say (after the fact, of course) that they did suspect something big was up, but that they didn't reveal it because they were worried about the panic they'd cause.


Right; never accuse me of siding with Paul on this matter. I'm simply pointing out that these people are contradicting the scripture they claim to support. If I have one problem with religion it would be the massive amounts of frauds who show up to leech off of people's sincerely held religious beliefs.


In the bigger picture, it doesn't matter whether I'm thrown into the lake of lava by a guy with horns or a guy with a halo.

That it doesn't. Merely pointing out the contradictory nature of these accounts.

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

I don't know, but if I'm upside down, burning in hell with the meat hanging off my face I think I'd be a little too preoccupied to be "cursing and blaspheming" the Lord. And how does this work, does the meat fall off your face and then grow back so that it can keep falling off for eternity?

Maybe God will invoke Zeno's Paradox in this case.

[bobcarp]

What do you think got John sent to hell? Was it "All we need is love", or "Give Peace a Chance?"

[Skeptic Guy]

What do you think got John sent to hell? Was it "All we need is love", or "Give Peace a Chance?"

No, it was letting Yoko sing on Double Fantasy.

[JohnG]

So God isn't a Beatles fan? He probably likes the Stones...

Maybe HE has sympathy for the Devil, too.

[UncaStuart]

What do you think got John sent to hell? Was it "All we need is love", or "Give Peace a Chance?"

I expect it was "Imagine" that annoyed the Big Guy:

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky

"No hell below us, eh? Try THIS!"

[Mark6]

And if anybody is going to be in hell its going to be Tom Delay, Jack Abramoff, David Safavian, Grover Norquist and Ralph Reed. All are "holy" crooks who claim to worship Jesus. Too bad Delay and Reed said that evangelicals are wackos. No they really said that its true.

Well, Jack Abramoff never claimed to worship Jesus. He claimed to worship God of Moses and to obey the laws of Torah. Somehow he must have misread the laws about honesty in financial dealings.

[CurtC]

But I thought that the devil had all the good music! :cool:

That's a quote from somewhere, just not sure where :blush:

Bart Simpson said:

Christian rock ?!?

Everyone knows all the good bands are affiliated with Satan!

[Foster Zygote]

Kenneth Hagin is not a prophet of God.

Nothing happened.

After a moment nothing continued to happen.

[Safe-Keeper]

If I woke up one morning and realized I'd published something half as childish as the story quoted in the OP to the Internet, I'd throw myself off a cliff:covereyes

He said, "Lord have mercy! Lord give me a chance! Lord take me out of this place!" But the Lord Jesus didn't want to look at him. Jesus simply turned his back on him. When Jesus did this, the man started to curse and blaspheme the Lord."OMG Gawd's torcher victim blasphemed Him!11111"

This is what meth does to perfectly ordinary people. I've seen far worse:(.

[kedo1981]

Oh my freaken god.
What a perfect story arc for my heaven and hell saga.
The people after being in heaven for 100s of billions of years are bored crapless.
Then they hear the music produced by the great musicians in hell, imagine the kind of blues that Robert Johnson or Jimmy Page will make after being tormented for eons.
Then, the saved start to sneak off to hell to listen

[gypsey]

those guy's are nuts cause I have it on good authority that the last time anyone saw John he was having lunch at the Oasis with The Rose just killing time away from their big parts in the final scene of Hells Gate
Hellywoods biggest production yet :duck:


:o sorry couldn't resist

[Fnord]

I'm just sitting here, watching the fundies go 'round and 'round; I really love to watch them roll...

... they should learn to just let it be.

[Moi.Frenchie]

... they should learn to just let it be.

Because the world is round...

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

I'm hereby posting a follow-up to ensure my lack of deadness.

[EventHorizon]

Lennon's family should sue for libel. Can anyone prove that John's in hell? :D

[Skeptic Ginger]

Lies for Jesus know no boundaries.

[-Fran-]

No, God likes ABBA

Can't be! Fred Phelps says god hates everything about Sweden! :)

[CurtC]

Lennon's family should sue for libel. Can anyone prove that John's in hell? :D

Can they prove he's not?

[EventHorizon]

Can they prove he's not?

Sure. Dig up the casket, open it up, see corpse, see corpse not in hell = winning lawsuit. Unless he was cremated. Then no, they can't. :)

[slingblade]

Can they prove he's not?

You've got your burden of proof backwards.

[Kopji]

The place was divided into different sections of torment and suffering. One of the first sections that the Lord allowed us to see was the "Valley of the Cauldrons" as we called it. There were millions of cauldrons. The cauldrons were inlaid at the level of the ground; each of them was burning with lava inside. Inside each one was the soul of a person who had died and gone to hell.

As soon as those souls saw the Lord, they started to shout and screamed, "Lord, have mercy on us! Lord give me a chance to get out of this place! Lord, take me out and I will tell the world that this place is real!" But the Lord didn't even look at them. There were millions of men, women and young people in that place. We also saw homosexuals and drunkards in torment. We saw all of these people shouting in such great torment.

Don't show me lord! take it away. O I can't look. Oh, ok, I'll look just a little bit. Oh it's TERRIBLE Lord... O look at the millions. How gruesome. Gruesome gruesome gruesome. O take it away! Ok I'll look just a little longer. Are those homosexuals? That branded label on the forward sure helped, thanks Lord. Oh they are hurting aren't they.

[Kopji]

Insane and willing tools.

[Ryan O'Dine]

The Lord allowed us to see a man who was inside of one of the cauldrons...
Hey, does anyone know where hell gets its cauldrons? Cauldrons R Us is cheap crapola, World of Cauldrons is ridiculously overpriced, and IBM stopped making cauldrons I don't know how long ago.

Yeah, and don't tell me they use Crazy Bob's House of Surgical Supplies and Cauldrons. Even Satan's standards can't be that low.

[Aitch]

Hey, does anyone know where hell gets its cauldrons? Cauldrons R Us is cheap crapola, World of Cauldrons is ridiculously overpriced, and IBM stopped making cauldrons I don't know how long ago.

Yeah, and don't tell me they use Crazy Bob's House of Surgical Supplies and Cauldrons. Even Satan's standards can't be that low.

Duh! Same place as Harry Potter, obviously. Can't remember the name of the place, but it's down Diagon Alley - you can't miss it. ;)

[Safe-Keeper]

This just occurred to me: Why the **** didn't they bring a camera?!

In related news, Soviet scientists recently dug into Hell:rolleyes:.

[RobRoy]

Duh! Same place as Harry Potter, obviously. Can't remember the name of the place, but it's down Diagon Alley - you can't miss it. ;)

It's called "The Cauldron Shop". Not very inventive for Ms. Rowling, so I'm not surprised you couldn't recall it.

They do, however, sell a variety of cauldrons: copper, brass, pewter, silver, self-stirring, collapsible, and solid gold.

[Nogbad]

What a sad story this.

One needs to get grounded to snap out of this sort of silliness.

This will do nicely

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eELH0ivexKA

[Lrrr]

He said, "Lord have mercy! Lord give me a chance! Lord take me out of this place!" But the Lord Jesus didn't want to look at him. Jesus simply turned his back on him. When Jesus did this, the man started to curse and blaspheme the Lord..

My question is, what was Jesus doing in Hell with two teenagers in the first place. Was this some sort of school field trip?

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

This just occurred to me: Why the **** didn't they bring a camera?!

In related news, Soviet scientists recently dug into Hell:rolleyes:.

But...they (http://www.snopes.com/religion/wellhell.asp) have audio recordings!


Those of you expecting audio recording will be sadly dissapointed. I will however say that I loved the part at the bottom about thirteen oil rig workers being killed when Satan himself burst from the well. THAT is some good ole' fashioned crazy! :D

ETA: By the way; the future (http://news.softpedia.com/news/Astronomers-Discovered-Hell-in-Space-54349.shtml) of this legend.

[XBoxWarrior]

Can they prove he's not?

It's really that simple....

John is Not in Hell, nor in Heaven.

That was 'HIS' plan, or "Philosophy"...

Get it?

"life is....."

[Ron_Tomkins]

I suppose this just demonstrates God hates logic.

... and freaks