Alex Jones and Truthers support Russian imperialism

[Thunder]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/alex-jones-on-georgias-invasion-of-south-ossetia.html

Thats right folks. Alex Jones and some of his sheeper allies now openly support Vladimir Putin's goal of recreating the Russian Empire. They openly consider Russia to have come to the defense of the South Ossetians and the Abhkazian fight for "independance".

They know full well, that Russia's goal is not the independance and the sovereignity of these lands, but the annexation and/or defacto control of these areas by the Kremlin. Slowly but surely, Russia is trying to rebuild the rhealm. Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, you all could be next.

9-11 Sheepers....Alex Jones..do not ever talk about freedom and democracy and free speech ever again. Your support for Putin and his authoritarian, irridentalist regime have rendered you dead when it comes to human rights and freedom.

[leftysergeant]

This should be in politics.

[Tbone]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/alex-jones-on-georgias-invasion-of-south-ossetia.html

Thats right folks. Alex Jones and some of his sheeper allies now openly support Vladimir Putin's goal of recreating the Russian Empire. They openly consider Russia to have come to the defense of the South Ossetians and the Abhkazian fight for "independance".

They know full well, that Russia's goal is not the independance and the sovereignity of these lands, but the annexation and/or defacto control of these areas by the Kremlin. Slowly but surely, Russia is trying to rebuild the rhealm. Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, you all could be next.

9-11 Sheepers....Alex Jones..do not ever talk about freedom and democracy and free speech ever again. Your support for Putin and his authoritarian, irridentalist regime have rendered you dead when it comes to human rights and freedom.

You forget that Georgia is backed by the US government. Ergo, everything Georgia does is controlled by the NWO.

[MarkyX]

Not really a surprise. Alex Jones has supported Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's actions, probably because they both hate homosexuals and women's rights. Then there is dictator of Venelueza, Hugo Chavez, who Alex Jones supports despite having a larger government control over the country moreso then the United States. Why does he support them? 9/11, of course.

We could get more into it, such as Alex Jones' buddy-buddy relationship with various holocaust denier groups and white supremacists factions.

[Thunder]

Anyone who supports Vladimir Putin, Hugo Chavez, and Ahmedinajad, doesnt care at all about freedom, liberty, or human rights.

Alex Jones is clearly a tool.

[dudalb]

It's a extreme version of BDS (Bush Dementia Syndrome) : Anybody who run afoul of Bush is automatically a good guy.

[moon1969]

Oh great George W. Bush is friends with a cult leader like pastor Sun Myung Moon and the moonies and loons in USA support KGB thug Putin?

[Inertia]

You guys are blowing this way out of proportion, he is not supporting Russian imperialism. He is just saying the truth, which is that the NWO is playing the puppet bush into making saskchsvilli, invade south ossetia telling them that they have the support of us and nato, when they attacked russia obviuosly defended their own people in south ossetia against the georgian, and american aggression toward russians. In the then both sides are neither good nor bad, they are all being played by the NWO thugs, either way people as usual lose.
Its simple, they wanna show the Russians as the bad guy, in order to build their misile shields as they already made a deal with Poland,a deal with Lithuania will probably go through as well, while Ukraine well, they just kiss USa's ass. :)

[Thunder]

Russia invaded South Ossetia. Fine. Then they invaded Georgia. Not fine.

Then they started down the road towards Tbilisi....very very bad.

Did the NWO cause this? Is Putin a great hero coming to the aid of fellow slavs?

No. Putin is trying to rebuild the Russian Empire..and Alex Jones is justifying it because he hates Bush and sees his enemies enemy as his friend.

How dare Alex Jones come to the defense of Vladiimir Putin. Putin is an authoritarian fascist pig..and Alex Jones knows this. Jones has stooped to a low he can never be forgiven for. He has supported Chavez, Ahmedinajad, and now Putin.

He clearly hates America..and loves the enemies of freedom and liberty. That is now painfully clear...to those who have eyes and ears.

[Darth Rotor]

My browser hates me more than Alex Jones hates Jews. Double post. Drat. :(

[Darth Rotor]

Russia invaded South Ossetia. Fine. Then they invaded Georgia. Not fine.
Invaded or occupied parts of? ;)
Then they started down the road towards Tbilisi....very very bad.
You are being redundant.
Did the NWO cause this? Is Putin a great hero coming to the aid of fellow slavs?
What strawman are we dealing in here? Did I miss a memo? Did Putin ever sell Russia's move into Georgia as "coming to the aid of fellow slavs?" Aren't Georgians slavs? (If not, that would be of interest to me.)
No. Putin is trying to rebuild the Russian Empire
Yes.
..and Alex Jones is justifying it because he s Bush and sees his enemies enemy as his friend.
Yes. "Sees his enemy's enemy as his friend" is what you surely meant.
How dare Alex Jones come to the defense of Vladiimir Putin.
It's a free country, he's free to champion whatever cause suits him.
Putin is an authoritarian t pig..and Alex Jones knows this.
Putin is also a nationalist, who has reawakened, or at least harnessed, Russian nationalism rather effectively, for the time being.
Jones has stooped to a low he can never be forgiven for.
Who died and made you judge and jury? I can forgive Jones his eccentricity since I don't think he's playing with a full deck, but no, he's not ever going to be invited to my house for dinner. Too much lying in that one.
He has supported Chavez, Ahmedinajad, and now Putin.
With words, or with something more substantial?
He clearly s America..and loves the enemies of freedom and liberty.
I think Jones loves an America that exists only in his mind's eye. What he doesn't like is the America of the here and now. In that regard he tends to reflect White Nationalist tropes.
now painfully clear...to those who have eyes and ears.
It's been obvious since that troofer opened his soup strainer.

As pitiful and lame as I find Alex Jones, I have a question for you:

how much traction does Alex Jones have in the actual world of politics?

You are letting him get your goat. He's made quite an arse of himself by spouting pure rubbish for nearly seven years. He, like Gollum, deserves your pity.

DR

[DC]

Not really a surprise. Alex Jones has supported Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's actions, probably because they both hate homosexuals and women's rights. Then there is dictator of Venelueza, Hugo Chavez, who Alex Jones supports despite having a larger government control over the country moreso then the United States. Why does he support them? 9/11, of course.

We could get more into it, such as Alex Jones' buddy-buddy relationship with various holocaust denier groups and white supremacists factions.

liar, Chavez is not a dictator, his elections had alot less troubles than the US elections in 2000.........

[Gurdur]

Invaded or occupied parts of? ;)

Invaded. After all, the original invasion was Tsarist; then the Communist take-overs of 1921. The original Ingush and Chechens were largely forcibly relocated to Siberia by Stalin, and the land taken by raggle-taggle collections of folks; some Ingush returned, but the Ossetians recently passed laws not allowing Ingush to return nor to own land.

So: Russian invasions, using various small folks as troops / colonists, overall Russian occupation whenever felt warranted. Tsarist or Communist or post-Communist, the process has been the same under all three epochs of regimes.

And now Russia has occupied pretty much all Ossetia, using "militia" troops in some parts, and occupied significant parts of Georgia outside Ossetia and the other breakaway region, i.e. in Georgia proper.

[mrbaracuda]

liar, Chavez is not a dictator, his elections had alot less troubles than the US elections in 2000.........

May I? Here I go:

http://c.imagehost.org/0025/picard-no-facepalm.jpg

[DC]

May I? Here I go:

http://c.imagehost.org/0025/picard-no-facepalm.jpg

was Chavez elected ?

[Slayhamlet]

Invaded or occupied parts of? ;)

What strawman are we dealing in here? Did I miss a memo? Did Putin ever sell Russia's move into Georgia as "coming to the aid of fellow slavs?" Aren't Georgians slavs? (If not, that would be of interest to me.)

No. Neither are Ossetians, so I have no idea what Parky's talking about.

[dudalb]

was Chavez elected ?

Why does the idea that somebody can be elected but then once in office become a dictator seem so hard for you to understand?

[DC]

Why does the idea that somebody can be elected but then once in office become a dictator seem so hard for you to understand?

was he re elected in 2006?

did he try to remove elections from the venezuelan constitution?
did he try to make it possible to run infinite times? (still has to be re elected, no dictator)?

to bring it back to tpoic, i have alot more troubles with the russian "democracy" or with NSPD-51

[Gurdur]

.... What strawman are we dealing in here? Did I miss a memo? Did Putin ever sell Russia's move into Georgia as "coming to the aid of fellow slavs?" Aren't Georgians slavs? (If not, that would be of interest to me.)

1) Parky is actually right, if using wrong terminology.

Putin very much sells this inside Russia as going to the aid of fellow Russians --- there are in fact many ethnic Russians inside Ossetia. Furthermore, the Ossetians themselves have a large Russian component in their original make-up, and these days, the Cossacks (who form a large and active contingent from North Ossetia) are counted as honourary Slavs (though their origins were mixed).

2) Georgians are not Slavs, neither linguistically nor ethnically.

[azazal]

It makes perfect sense, seems Putin has joined the tinfoil hat brigade himself

Putin accuses U.S. of orchestrating Georgian war (http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/28/russia.georgia.cold.war/index.html)

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[mrbaracuda]

i have alot more troubles with [...] NSPD-51

I am not at all surprised you could not understand it.

[Darth Rotor]

1) Parky is actually right, if using wrong terminology.

Putin very much sells this inside Russia as going to the aid of fellow Russians --- there are in fact many ethnic Russians inside Ossetia. Furthermore, the Ossetians themselves have a large Russian component in their original make-up, and these days, the Cossacks (who form a large and active contingent from North Ossetia) are counted as honourary Slavs (though their origins were mixed).

2) Georgians are not Slavs, neither linguistically nor ethnically.
OK, no True Slavs in Georgia. Appreciate the E in JREF moment, Gurdur, and glad to see parky at least somewhat right, blind squirrel and acorn style. Happy moment. :)
An interesting tidbit from Wikipedia:
Georgians (with Adjarians, Mingrelians, Svans, Lazs) form a majority, about 83.8%, of Georgia's current population of 4,661,473 (July 2006 est.). Other major ethnic groups include Azeris, who form 6.5% of the population, Armenians - 5.7%, Russians - 1.5%, Abkhazians, and Ossetians. Numerous smaller groups also live in the country, including Assyrians, Chechens, Chinese, Georgian Jews, Greeks, Kabardins, Kurds, Tatars, Turks and Ukrainians. Notably, Georgia's Jewish community is one of the oldest Jewish communities in the world.

Georgia also exhibits significant linguistic diversity. Within the South Caucasian family, Georgian, Laz, Mingrelian, and Svan are spoken. Additionally, non-Georgian ethnic groups in the country often speak their native languages in addition to Georgian. The official languages of Georgia are Georgian and also Abkhaz within the autonomous region of Abkhazia. 71% of the population speaks the South Caucasian languages, 9% - Russian, 7% - Armenian, 6% - Azeri and 7% other. Georgia's literacy rate is said to be 100%.
I now see why Alex Jones is so upset. One of the oldest Jewish communities in the world. *light comes on*

DR

[Quad4_72]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/alex-jones-on-georgias-invasion-of-south-ossetia.html

Thats right folks. Alex Jones and some of his sheeper allies now openly support Vladimir Putin's goal of recreating the Russian Empire. They openly consider Russia to have come to the defense of the South Ossetians and the Abhkazian fight for "independance".

They know full well, that Russia's goal is not the independance and the sovereignity of these lands, but the annexation and/or defacto control of these areas by the Kremlin. Slowly but surely, Russia is trying to rebuild the rhealm. Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, you all could be next.

9-11 Sheepers....Alex Jones..do not ever talk about freedom and democracy and free speech ever again. Your support for Putin and his authoritarian, irridentalist regime have rendered you dead when it comes to human rights and freedom.

Ok...so a bunch of nobodies that no one important cares about support Russia. Too bad Alex Jones has ZERO power and Russia does not have the slightest clue of his existence.

[Childlike Empress]

Ok folks, it's time for your three minutes of hate:

t2Q7XchWA7o

[Quad4_72]

Ok folks, it's time for your three minutes of hate:

t2Q7XchWA7o

Now THAT guy has problems.

[Thunder]

liar, Chavez is not a dictator, his elections had alot less troubles than the US elections in 2000.........

what is up with 9-11 Sheepers supporting dictators like Chavez, Ahmedinajad, and Putin?

I just dont get it.

[Oliver]

You forget that Georgia is backed by the US government. Ergo, everything Georgia does is controlled by the NWO.


*LOL* :D ... "True"

[mrbaracuda]

Wait, wut? They gave Alex Jones a forum?
Thank you, Childlike Empress for showing me which propaganda station to avoid in the future.

Oh my he just said FEMA camps.

[Matteo Martini]

was he re elected in 2006?

did he try to remove elections from the venezuelan constitution?
did he try to make it possible to run infinite times? (still has to be re elected, no dictator)?

to bring it back to tpoic, i have alot more troubles with the russian "democracy" or with NSPD-51

You do not understand.
They do not like Chavez.
He has even insulted their beloved President Bush.
Hence, he is a dictator.
The matter if he has been elected in free-and-fair elections is totally irrelevant.
After all, everybody know that naive Americans, I mean, Venezuelans can be easily deceived by the media..

http://www.prisonplanet.com/alex-jones-on-georgias-invasion-of-south-ossetia.html

Thats right folks. Alex Jones and some of his sheeper allies now openly support Vladimir Putin's goal of recreating the Russian Empire. They openly consider Russia to have come to the defense of the South Ossetians and the Abhkazian fight for "independance".

They know full well, that Russia's goal is not the independance and the sovereignity of these lands, but the annexation and/or defacto control of these areas by the Kremlin. Slowly but surely, Russia is trying to rebuild the rhealm. Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, you all could be next.
[..]

Mm..
Not possible.
Poland, along with Czech, Hungary, Romania and other ex-USSR countries, have already ben taken by the American Empire(TM)

[Quad4_72]

Oh my he just said FEMA camps.

Lol I know. How did he find out about the sooper sekrit death camps?

[Darth Rotor]

Poland, along with Czech, Hungary, Romania and other ex-USSR countries, have already ben taken by the American Empire(TM)

What the hell are you talking about?

[DC]

well atleast Dictator Chavez is alot more loved in Venezuela than Dictator Bush is loved by the US people.

Dictator Chavez did not Invade other people countrys.
Dictator Bush lied to the people about WMD's and Iraqi-9/11 links and invaded Iraq, Dictator Bush also Invaded Afghanistan, Dictator Bush his regime is thinking about false flag operations to invade Iran.
Dictator Putin invaded Georgia after Georgia atacked OS and is already pulled back from Georgia. While the troops of the US regime are still in other people countrys.......

yeah one got to love dictator Bush and the US regime.

(When there is indeed a Presidental Directive that is talking about continuety of government without any elections etc, details about that plan are not known. this oc is no reason for the US sheep to worry about wolfes. they cry wolfes and point into a country that has mo such law and call it Dictatorship)

I wonder why so many people claim that Americans are so stupid, how could that be....

[DC]

You do not understand.
They do not like Chavez.
He has even insulted their beloved President Bush.
Hence, he is a dictator.
The matter if he has been elected in free-and-fair elections is totally irrelevant.
After all, everybody know that naive Americans, I mean, Venezuelans can be easily deceived by the media..



Mm..
Not possible.
Poland, along with Czech, Hungary, Romania and other ex-USSR countries, have already ben taken by the American Empire(TM)

they are full of it.

[Matteo Martini]

well atleast Dictator Chavez is alot more loved in Venezuela than Dictator Bush is loved by the US people.
[..]
I wonder why so many people claim that Americans are so stupid, how could that be....

I guess one point of friction between the US and Venezuela is that Venezuela has quite a lot of oil, and therefore US want to control the region (same goes for Iran).

[mrbaracuda]

Lol I know. How did he find out about the sooper sekrit death camps?

The mole must have slipped the sekret memo once more! :mad:

[mrbaracuda]

What the hell are you talking about?

His own demons perhaps? ;)

[Undesired Walrus]

9-11 Sheepers....Alex Jones..do not ever talk about freedom and democracy and free speech ever again.

Er..? Does someone else want to point out the contradiction here?

Parky, the sheer volume of new threads you create causes cock-ups like this.

[doobiedoright]

Mm..
Not possible.
Poland, along with Czech, Hungary, Romania and other ex-USSR countries, have already ben taken by the American Empire(TM)

\


Link please.Need to see facts!

No such thing as American Empire..
I think you are over compensating for your little manhood syndrome!

[Klimax]

Poland, along with Czech, Hungary, Romania and other ex-USSR countries, have already ben taken by the American Empire(TM)

What the hell are you talking about???????
Czechs are often enough critical of USA and fact that we have goverment,which signs agreement about radar,does not mean we are suddenly under rule of Congress!(I am for radar,but in different location for security and interference(EM physics) reasons)(Second inclusion,even influence is limited,we have other and better examples much closer :) )

We sometimes do copy and often enough wrong things (like "education","health service"),but there are only international organizations of which we are members,like EU (definitly not run by USA or AE) , NATO (only military ops are directed by USA) ,OSN (not run by USA),...

So could you please show your source of info or do you want to be sent into same bin as "not-knowledgabe americans"?

Let's stay on topic, folks. If you'd like to start a new thread, I'll be glad to split this off.

[Childlike Empress]

Klimax, i've read that polls are showing that a vast majority of the Czech (and a small majority of the Polish) people are opposed to being part of an american missile shield. Is that, from your experience, true?

[Alex Libman]

Why don't you lazy American MSM worshipers admit that you don't know anything about the Ossetian people and do a little research? The Russian government is as evil as any government, but the Ossetians' right to self-determination must not be ignored! And we are talking about one of the widest consensus for secession that ever existed!

[Matteo Martini]

What the hell are you talking about?

What the hell are you talking about???????
[..]

Czech, Romania, Georgia, Ukraine are/will soon be under NATO.
being under NATO = being under the US.


We sometimes do copy and often enough wrong things (like "education","health service"),but there are only international organizations of which we are members,like EU (definitly not run by USA or AE) , NATO (only military ops are directed by USA) ,OSN (not run by USA),...


The EU (no idea what the OSN is) is not a military organization.
And NATO is managed by the US (bold is mine)

[Klimax]

Klimax, i've read that polls are showing that a vast majority of the Czech (and a small majority of the Polish) people are opposed to being part of an american missile shield. Is that, from your experience, true?
Yes,it is.Those polls are this time right.Only exception could be Prague,but since radar can influence life there,even they are partly against.

Why don't you lazy American MSM worshipers admit that you don't know anything about the Ossetian people and do a little research? The Russian government is as evil as any government, but the Ossetians' right to self-determination must not be ignored! And we are talking about one of the widest consensus for secession that ever existed!
Hmm.It is play of Putin,not Ossetians.They happily lived together with Georgians before.Oh and apparently Ksovo-type analogy failed,since Ossetians themselves were doing bad things,not Georgians.(And there were no 2000 dead caused by G. according to Human rights watch)

Czech, Romania, Georgia, Ukraine are/will soon be under NATO.
being under NATO = being under the US.



The EU (no idea what the OSN is) is not a military organization.
And NATO is managed by the US (bold is mine)

NATO was founded by USA,but only military ops are directed by USA,while what is going on at all is under Europe control.(Including WHAT ops are going on!)

EU is planning AFAIK its own force.

And sorry,OSN should be UN... :o

[Alex Libman]

Hmm.It is play of Putin,not Ossetians.They happily lived together with Georgians before.Oh and apparently Ksovo-type analogy failed,since Ossetians themselves were doing bad things,not Georgians.(And there were no 2000 dead caused by G. according to Human rights watch)

Looks like your history research skills are as lazy as your space key.

And the "Criticism of Human Rights Watch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Human_Rights_Watch)" WP article is going to get a lot bigger soon...

[Foolmewunz]

Looks like your history research skills are as lazy as your space key.

And the "Criticism of Human Rights Watch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Human_Rights_Watch)" WP article is going to get a lot bigger soon...

The wiki article is living proof THE WIKIPEDIA WILL PUBLISH ANYTHING. Gee, what a surprise, governments singled out as abusers by HRW are critical of HRW. Why this merits a separate article is beyond me. I can only assume it was because they had so many unsubstantiated edits of the main article that they decided to give the "criticisms" a separate page.

And your post is absolutely pointless, BTW... other than a little bit of traditional s-disturbing. If you have something to counter with, please post it. Your drive-by postings are getting rather annoying.

[Klimax]

Looks like your history research skills are as lazy as your space key.

And the "Criticism of Human Rights Watch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Human_Rights_Watch)" WP article is going to get a lot bigger soon...

Writing at night,so some typos overlooked.

And why there was no problems before and they started as soon as Russians lost control over Georgia?Putin has conspiracy not Georgians.They only have not uncovered soon enough to prevent Putin in advance into second phase...

[Matteo Martini]

NATO was founded by USA,but only military ops are directed by USA,while what is going on at all is under Europe control.(Including WHAT ops are going on!)

EU is planning AFAIK its own force.

And sorry,OSN should be UN... :o

No.
European countries basically do what the US asks them to do.

[funk de fino]

No.
European countries basically do what the US asks them to do.

Oh really?

[Thunder]

is that why france, germany, spain, and most other nations have NO troops in Iraq??

[Thunder]

Why don't you lazy American MSM worshipers admit that you don't know anything about the Ossetian people and do a little research? The Russian government is as evil as any government, but the Ossetians' right to self-determination must not be ignored! And we are talking about one of the widest consensus for secession that ever existed!

What does leaving Georgia..and becoming part of Russia..have anything to do with seccession and self-determination?

[Thunder]

Er..? Does someone else want to point out the contradiction here?

Parky, the sheer volume of new threads you create causes cock-ups like this.

Alex Jones and his 9-11 Sheepers are taking the side of Vladimir Putin and Russian Imperialism.

This goes against their supposed love of freedom, liberty, and self-determination.

How did I cock-up?

[Klimax]

No.
European countries basically do what the US asks them to do.

Ehm.Do you have another joke at hand?COntries in EU do only those things,which are good for them.THIS is realpolitic.Some do bit more than others,but even then the biggest was too small compensation for RADAR placement in CR.

Do you have some nice links for your assesment or do you just want to twist reality?

[DC]

Ehm.Do you have another joke at hand?COntries in EU do only those things,which are good for them.THIS is realpolitic.Some do bit more than others,but even then the biggest was too small compensation for RADAR placement in CR.

Do you have some nice links for your assesment or do you just want to twist reality?

are there countrys that do things that are NOT good for them?

[funk de fino]

are there countrys that do things that are NOT good for them?

yes, georgia

this matteo is a right one aint he?

[Klimax]

are there countrys that do things that are NOT good for them?

As long as it is not illegal under international law,then if it suits them,why not?
Or do nothing,which is more likely-see Germany,France,Spain,... ETA:(vis Iraq,Iran,Afghanistan,...)

Do you see what they do/did?

[DC]

As long as it is not illegal under international law,then if it suits them,why not?
Or do nothing,which is more likely-see Germany,France,Spain,... ETA:(vis Iraq,Iran,Afghanistan,...)

Do you see what they do/did?

who is doing what?

is Iran doing things that are not legal under international law?
Germany is active in Afghanistand for example.

[DC]

yes, georgia

this matteo is a right one aint he?

yeah i have to agree on that about georgia :)

what i ment is more like, countrys sometimes do act when there is something they can profit from

[Klimax]

who is doing what?

is Iran doing things that are not legal under international law?
Germany is active in Afghanistand for example.

Iran is doing illegal thing - nuclear program,you know to make nuclear bomb.(And targeting Israel...)
Germany active?Sure,but how much and only because of "pressure" from USA and not because of their own interest?(Did Al-Qaeda target ONLY USA?)

[Matteo Martini]

Ehm.Do you have another joke at hand?COntries in EU do only those things,which are good for them.THIS is realpolitic.


Which means that they are fractioned, and they prefer to hve big brother around to protect them

[DC]

Iran is doing illegal thing - nuclear program,you know to make nuclear bomb.(And targeting Israel...)
Germany active?Sure,but how much and only because of "pressure" from USA and not because of their own interest?(Did Al-Qaeda target ONLY USA?)

Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty alows Iran to have a Nuclear power program
and so far they have no weapon program, yet. So actually they are not braking a law in this regard.

Why did AQ atack the west?

ETA: sorry OT :(

[Thunder]

Iran has no nuclear weapons and does not possess enough centrifuges to make a nuclear weapon.

[Klimax]

Which means that they are fractioned, and they prefer to hve big brother around to protect them

Sorry,but since when?NATO was established because of SSSR/new threats and no political power,otherwise EU was supposed to be new power block,but you see we have a lot of to do to reach target...

[Klimax]

Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty alows Iran to have a Nuclear power program
and so far they have no weapon program, yet. So actually they are not braking a law in this regard.

Why did AQ atack the west?

ETA: sorry OT :(

But they are trying AFAIK.
Is there thread to continue this interesting topic?(Or one can start it,but I am lazy *** to search/start)

[Matteo Martini]

But they are trying AFAIK.
[..]

To build nukes?
Evidence?

Sorry,but since when?NATO was established because of SSSR/new threats and no political power,otherwise EU was supposed to be new power block,but you see we have a lot of to do to reach target...

I am not speaking about political power, but military power.

[Matteo Martini]

Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty alows Iran to have a Nuclear power program
and so far they have no weapon program, yet. So actually they are not braking a law in this regard.

Why did AQ atack the west?

ETA: sorry OT :(

To be added.
The NPT also asks for countries with nuclear weapons to negotiate so that they get rid of nukes.
Is America, Russia, the UK and France doing this?

[Klimax]

To build nukes?
Evidence?

Good question.But unfortunately I must admit to have too little time (I wrote from memory) as of now.Really I will be keeping referencies(links) so I do not have to search again.Maybe in time I recover time :D to post them,unless somebody else will do.(doubtfull + this topic wil fall of everybodys radar :o )

I am not speaking about political power, but military power.
[/QUOTE]
Well sometimes diplomacy is said to be war waged by different means...

And I do not think NATO is under US control.And example?USA are not happy that they and GB have to do most of thinks in Afghainstan,where it was supposed to be NATO op.And still Germany and/or France disagreed with some moves by Bush,so I do not think they want to have any big brother watching over them.

*Sorry,but I must/have to go to lurk mode,so most probably no replies for nearest future*

[Matteo Martini]

Good question.But unfortunately I must admit to have too little time (I wrote from memory) as of now.Really I will be keeping referencies(links) so I do not have to search again.Maybe in time I recover time :D to post them,unless somebody else will do.(doubtfull + this topic wil fall of everybodys radar :o )


OK.
I will wait for your evidence.


And I do not think NATO is under US control.[..]

It largely is..