Michigan: Police seek shooter who saved teen girl

[Richard G]

October 23, 2003

BY DAN SHINE AND BEN SCHMITT FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS

A man was beating a 16-year-old girl with a pipe Wednesday morning on Detroit's west side.

Suddenly, the man was dead, shot several times by a passenger in a passing car.

Police are looking for the driver of the car and the gunman, who might not be a criminal suspect, but a much rarer species -- a drive-by vigilante.

http://www.freep.com/news/locway/nshot23_20031023.htm

[corplinx]

As a law abiding gun owner and someone who believes with freedom comes responsibility, I have taken it upon myself to get excellent training on the use of those items. That said:

DON"T SHOOT FROM A MOVING VEHICLE

This is a big no-no no matter how many TJ Hooker episodes you've watched.

I am assuming the car was actually stopped when the shooter fired since the bullets landed in her attackers and not her or some pedestrian down the street.

Now, the female being beaten is most likely the primary witness and her recollection can't be trusted.

When you do shoot in self-defense you are supposed to call the cops and wait in most states................

[Zep]

Hmmm... Two moving people grappling while one beats the other, third person moving while driving by. BANG, BANG, BANG, one select person hit precisely enough to be killed outright, no-one else hurt...

That's either DAMN fine shooting ability - better than Lee Harvey Oswald was reputed to do, or it simply didn't happen like that.

I wonder if the girl's father/boyfriend/older brother pulled the trigger while standing real close and then made a run for it (with her?) in the family car... If it happened something like this then it's a whole different scenario entirely happening, isn't it.

[fishbob]

Zep, what are you anyway - some kind of skeptic or something?

[Zep]

For these types of stories, yes, I'm sceptical. :)

The thing is, I'm not willing to address the morality side of stuff like this until we get to the bottom of the actual facts. I've been fooled too often myself by misleading presentation to be accepting of this sort of information without a high degree of cynicism.

For example, take this case. The original story as presented was very much "Hopalong Cassidy rides in to heroically save the girl with some fancy shootin'." The alternative that I suggested is more likely, given the facts as presented, sounds like a gang turf war. Who knows - the real facts may reveal something else entirely different.

The ultimate result is that I don't know enough about it, but what is presented so far has too many loose ends to draw conclusions. And this is very common, unfortunately. And people fall for it.

[Tony]

Who cares? The girl is safe and the attacker is dead.

[The Fool]

Richard has already invented a little cowboy movie scenario for this incident

might I also join in the game?

A pimp decides to murder another pimp.... At the time of the driveby murder the target pimp happens to be bashing one of his prostitutes.

Richard supports the rights of pimps to perform driveby shootings of other pimps.

This version of events was pulled from my arse

Stay tuned from the next story from richards arse........

Richard, you should just stick to telling us how cool you are when you have a gun.... Don't try to think, it just gets in the way.

[specious_reasons]

In other news, John Edward told the wife of someone who "crossed over" that he saw a father figure whose name begins with "J".

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Tony
Who cares? The girl is safe and the attacker is dead.

Do you see any problems with driveby shootings as a system of justice?

[arcticpenguin]

"Man defending himself from mob is shot dead"

[The Fool]

Originally posted by arcticpenguin
"Man defending himself from mob is shot dead"
For a flightless bird you are very intuitive.........;)

[Tony]

Originally posted by The Fool


Do you see any problems with driveby shootings as a system of justice?

Only if the "attacker" turns out to be innocent.

[Kodiak]

Originally posted by The Fool
might I also join in the game?

Ask the victim if she thought it was a game, jerk...

[Hexxenhammer]

If we can learn anything from this it's: Don't bring a pipe to a gun fight.

[LTC8K6]

The driver stopped, and the passenger opened fire from inside the car.

An excellent way to make a nice accurate shot, imo.

Where did the comments about shooting from a moving car come from?

That said, they should have waited for the cops. Unless the gun was somehow illegal, or they had some pot on them or something like that.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Kodiak


Ask the victim if she thought it was a game, jerk...

What would you be saying to the shooter if he accidentally shot the victim, jerk?

[Checkmite]

A while ago, police in some city or other set up an elaborate system by which a suspect with a warrant for a violent crime (but who lived outside jurisdiction, or with relatives) was notified that they had won an exotic vacation, and that all they needed to do to collect was come to XXXX Anywhere Street, where (unbeknownst to them) police were waiting to serve the warrants and take the suspects into custody. Sounds dirty, almost, but a judge ruled it legal.

This article sounds like another such setup. They want to "seduce" Mr. "Driveby vigilante" into making himself public so they can snap him up for murder 3rd, I'd wager.

[Mr Manifesto]

Maybe someone should give this hero a medal (http://www.kovr13.com/01jan01/vo012301a.htm)

[c0rbin]

From the article...

She was taken to the UC Davis medical center. Both the woman and baby are expected to survive.

Incidentally, Kodiak is not a jerk for pointing out the seriousness of potential death.

You might be a jerk for using it to further your agenda in a sarcastic light, jerk.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by c0rbin
From the article...



Incidentally, Kodiak is not a jerk for pointing out the seriousness of potential death.

You might be a jerk for using it to further your agenda in a sarcastic light, jerk.

Get up on the wrong side of the bed today?

All I'm trying to say is that for every pro-vigilante anecdote, there is an anti-vigilante anecdote.

[Kodiak]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto


What would you be saying to the shooter if he accidentally shot the victim, jerk?

It wouldn't be a game then either, jerk...

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Kodiak


It wouldn't be a game then either, jerk...

You can't understand that Fool is using a figure of speech and you're calling him the jerk?

[Kodiak]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto


Get up on the wrong side of the bed today?

All I'm trying to say is that for every pro-vigilante anecdote, there is an anti-vigilante anecdote.

Anecdotes aside (I took no position), I was responding to, and you, it seems, were defending, The Fool's cavalier attitude.

[Kodiak]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto


You can't understand that Fool is using a figure of speech and you're calling him the jerk?

Maybe if the victim in question was your wife, daughter, mother, or sister, you'd have more of a problem with The Fool calling it a game and likening your family member to a prostitute.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Kodiak


Maybe if the victim in question was your wife, daughter, mother, or sister, you'd have more of a problem with The Fool calling it a game and likening your family member to a prostitute.

Red herring and, I would suggest, argumentum ad populum.

Whether or not someone would take offense to the Fool's use of prostitution as an example, it does not invalidate his argument, which is: the details are sketchy and for all we know the shooting could have been for personal motivations rather than a 'good' citizen doing his 'duty'.

[Kodiak]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto


Red herring and, I would suggest, argumentum ad populum.

Whether or not someone would take offense to the Fool's use of prostitution as an example, it does not invalidate his argument, which is: the details are sketchy and for all we know the shooting could have been for personal motivations rather than a 'good' citizen doing his 'duty'.

Your ascribing fallacies to my criticism of The Fools flippant attitude?!

Again, jerk, regardless of the anecdotes, an innocent woman was beaten with a pipe. That isn't a "game" and it's insulting to the victim to then compare her to a street whore. Again, would this tragedy have to strike home for you to realize that?

Again, you dolt, I was addressing his attitude, not his argument.

:nope: :con2:

Move on...you're embarrassing yourself.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Kodiak


Your ascribing fallacies to my criticism of The Fools flippant attitude?!

Again, jerk, regardless of the anecdotes, an innocent woman was beaten with a pipe. That isn't a "game" and it's insulting to the victim to then compare her to a street whore.

Again, you dolt, I was addressing his attitude, [b]not his argument.



Move on...you're embarrassing yourself.

I'd say you're the one embarassing yourself with your lack of reading comprehension. "Game" is a figure of speech, Fool does not literally think the episode was a game. His prostitution example was simply to illustrate that a different scenario is possible, one that would not make Richard G's case look so rosy. He was not comparing her to a street whore.

Did it sink in that time?

[Kodiak]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto


I'd say you're the one embarassing yourself with your lack of reading comprehension. "Game" is a figure of speech, Fool does not literally think the episode was a game. His prostitution example was simply to illustrate that a different scenario is possible, one that would not make Richard G's case look so rosy. He was not comparing her to a street whore.

You've finally understood and have begun addressed the points I was making, and I'm the one who should be embarrassed??!!?? :rolleyes:

Thanks, but I'll wait for an apology/explanation/clarification (or a "screw you"...) concerning The Fool's posts to come from The Fool himself if you don't mind.

[roger]

Originally posted by Zep
Hmmm... Two moving people grappling while one beats the other, third person moving while driving by. BANG, BANG, BANG, one select person hit precisely enough to be killed outright, no-one else hurt...

That's either DAMN fine shooting ability - better than Lee Harvey Oswald was reputed to do, or it simply didn't happen like that.
I don't think you read the story. ???

The subtitle is: "They say passing car stopped and passenger opened fire".

[billydkid]

Originally posted by Richard G
October 23, 2003

BY DAN SHINE AND BEN SCHMITT FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS

A man was beating a 16-year-old girl with a pipe Wednesday morning on Detroit's west side.

Suddenly, the man was dead, shot several times by a passenger in a passing car.

Police are looking for the driver of the car and the gunman, who might not be a criminal suspect, but a much rarer species -- a drive-by vigilante.

http://www.freep.com/news/locway/nshot23_20031023.htm

I don't think you understand the meaning of the word vigilante. You are not being a vigilante when you are saving someone from an ongoing attack. It is well to remember that the police are not actually charged with protecting us. It has been reaffirmed in a number of court cases that the police have no particular responsibility to protect individuals from attack. It is a popular misunderstanding that the police are supposed to protect us.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Kodiak


You've finally understood and have begun addressed the points I was making, and I'm the one who should be embarrassed??!!?? :rolleyes:

Thanks, but I'll wait for an apology/explanation/clarification (or a "screw you"...) concerning The Fool's posts to come from The Fool himself if you don't mind.

well Jerk...you will get no apology from me. Its not my fault if you don't understand my post, You need to pay more attention before you shoot your mouth off. I tried to keep the words simple,
I'll try again.

Richard is playing a game, its called spamming with fairytales. He takes a story and creates a fantasy world around it where he can wear a gun and talk tough...... I decided to join the game.

I offered the Pimp - prostitute storyline as an alternative to Richards "who was that masked man" lone ranger version, the only thing he missed was having Tonto in the car too.

I like your "innocent girl, outraged mother/sister appeal to family values" version too.... Maybe you can tell me what form of remote viewing you use to confirm your version is better than mine. I pulled mine out of my arse, which orifice did yours come from?

Anyway thats enough of explaining the obvious for today.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by The Fool


well Jerk...you will get no apology from me. Its not my fault if you don't understand my post, You need to pay more attention before you shoot your mouth off. I tried to keep the words simple,
I'll try again.

Richard is playing a game, its called spamming with fairytales. He takes a story and creates a fantasy world around it where he can wear a gun and talk tough...... I decided to join the game.

I offered the Pimp - prostitute storyline as an alternative to Richards "who was that masked man" lone ranger version, the only thing he missed was having Tonto in the car too.

I like your "innocent girl, outraged mother/sister appeal to family values" version too.... Maybe you can tell me what form of remote viewing you use to confirm your version is better than mine. I pulled mine out of my arse, which orifice did yours come from?

Anyway thats enough of explaining the obvious for today.

Did it sink in that time, Kodiak?

[Richard G]

It never cease to amaze me, no matter how much evidence one heaps at the feet of the idiots here, they accuse your evidence of being made up. Simple fact is, the evidence drives them bonkers. It distorts their pre-fabricated sense of la-la land reality.

Those same idiots amazingly can find fault with forcibly preventing a man from beating a women to death with a pipe. Taking that stance is not going to find favor with anyone of common inteligence, unless your a total flake, or a socio path.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Richard G
It never cease to amaze me, no matter how much evidence one heaps at the feet of the idiots here, they accuse your evidence of being made up. Simple fact is, the evidence drives them bonkers. It distorts their pre-fabricated sense of la-la land reality.

Those same idiots amazingly can find fault with forcibly preventing a man from beating a women to death with a pipe. Taking that stance is not going to find favor with anyone of common inteligence, unless your a total flake, or a socio path.

Anecdotal evidence doesn't prove your case, as I demonstrated above.

Here's an anecdote saying vigilantes are idiots (http://www.newschannel5.com/content/news/2211.asp). Does it prove beyond doubt that vigilantes are idiots? No, because it's only an anecdote, like yours. Not evidence.

[specious_reasons]

Originally posted by Richard G
It never cease to amaze me, no matter how much evidence one heaps at the feet of the idiots here, they accuse your evidence of being made up. Simple fact is, the evidence drives them bonkers. It distorts their pre-fabricated sense of la-la land reality.

Those same idiots amazingly can find fault with forcibly preventing a man from beating a women to death with a pipe. Taking that stance is not going to find favor with anyone of common inteligence, unless your a total flake, or a socio path.

It's not evidence - it's anecdotes. It's not like you're documenting every use of a gun here.

[Richard G]

I call it the real world. You call it whatever you like.

[evildave]

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/2573064/detail.html

A little update here. He attacked five women.

Police say a man in his 20s went on a rampage along Plymouth Road on Detroit's west side, attacking several women with a pipe.

There was no obvious motive for the attacks as the man apparently did not attempt to sexually assault or rob his victims, Local 4 reported.

Police say at least five girls or women were attacked before some local residents decided to take action in what they referred to as Detroit-style street justice, Local 4 reported.

They pulled up, shot at him, chased him down the alley in their car and ran him over with the car. Then they shot him.

Dennis Powell, who witnessed the retaliation, said it was incredible.

Powell told Local 4 that a gray-color Grand Prix pulled up, and the persons inside the car fired five shots at the alleged attacker. Powell said the man then ran into an alley, where he was chased down and run over by the Grand Prix. The people inside the car then shot the man and left him behind, lying on the ground, Powell said.

Some people simply lack the critical reading skills to understand the real culprit here: CARS.

If they didn't have a gun, they'd have only run him over twice.

OBVIOUSLY, people should not be allowed to have cars. Cars are what allowed these evil vigilantes to arrive, kill the poor innocent pipe wielding maniac who was randomly brutally attacking women, and then escape, too.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Richard G
I call it the real world. You call it whatever you like.

Well, you're 'real world' is awfully selective. You've nothing to say on the two anecdotes I've provided for your reading pleasure. Maybe that's because they contradict your 'real world'. Do you think?

And, do you think?

[Richard G]

I only just checked out the link you provided. The barber was justified defending himself....he was not justified (legaly) running down the people he shot. I sure as hell don't give a damn about those he shot however, it is only the letter of the law that he violated.

One can hardly criticise the man for dying in a shootout either. He made a stand, and did what was right. The man had gutts, and courage to do the right thing. The man was a victim of dirtbags who have total disregard for laws, life, property, and society.

[evildave]

Barber?

Running down the people he shot?

I have one (or more) people in a grey car who shot at (unclear whether they hit him), chased down, ran over and then plugged a guy who was hitting girls (at least five) with a pipe.

http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/7095761.htm
Another link to content relating to the case. Also cites examples of other vigilante cases.

Of course, now it's a small white car, the two men in the car got out and shot him, and ran him over as they left.

Sounds like there are enough variations that the people who killed the pipe wielding @$$hole will be very hard to track down. They're probably all white and black and hispanic, too. According to what version of story you get from an eyewitness.

The last quote in the story is catchy.

In 1985, an 85-year-old man shot and killed a younger man who had attacked him on a Detroit bus. Then-Homicide Inspector Gil Hill, who went on to become a city councilman, said this about the killing:

"I'm always glad when a--holes and bullets meet."

[The Fool]

Originally posted by evildave

Of course, now it's a small white car, the two men in the car got out and shot him, and ran him over as they left.

Sounds like there are enough variations that the people who killed the pipe wielding @$$hole will be very hard to track down.
It probably doesn't matter Richard Earp has already got the fairytale well formed in his mind.... No need for further evidence here....

Do you cruise the streets in your car at night Richard, looking for baddies to cap? or is that too creepy even for you?

[peptoabysmal]

Originally posted by Zep
Hmmm... Two moving people grappling while one beats the other, third person moving while driving by. BANG, BANG, BANG, one select person hit precisely enough to be killed outright, no-one else hurt...

That's either DAMN fine shooting ability - better than Lee Harvey Oswald was reputed to do, or it simply didn't happen like that.

I wonder if the girl's father/boyfriend/older brother pulled the trigger while standing real close and then made a run for it (with her?) in the family car... If it happened something like this then it's a whole different scenario entirely happening, isn't it.

Jesse James' gang had military training in the civil war to shoot and kill from horseback at full gallop. (LOL, I would be on my arse if I tried that with my nutty thoroughbred) They were part of an elite guerilla fighting unit. They put those skills to good use after the war, robbing trains etc. Is this shooter had military training like Oswald, it would be more believeable.

I'm skeptical of the story in question, but maybe we shouldn't assume that just because we can't do something, that it can't be done by someone. Kudos to the father/boyfriend/older brother/drive-by vigilante anyway. Nice shooting.

[Ian Osborne]

Originally posted by Richard G
...it is only the letter of the law that he violated...

...dirtbags who have total disregard for laws, life, property, and society.

:rolleyes:

[Mr Manifesto]

Vigilante hero slays knicky-knocky-ninedoors prankster (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-pshot26oct26,0,7480708.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines)

But Richard, don't take this to mean I disapprove of you carrying a gun and using it to uphold the law at every opportunity. In fact, I suggest you do your homework and go after organised criminals, bank robbers... You could be the Yokel Lone Ranger.

The sooner you do this and end up dead like our barber friend or in jail like other vigilantes, the sooner America can be just a little bit happier a place to live.

[Zep]

Originally posted by Richard G
It never cease to amaze me, no matter how much evidence one heaps at the feet of the idiots here, they accuse your evidence of being made up. Simple fact is, the evidence drives them bonkers. It distorts their pre-fabricated sense of la-la land reality.

Those same idiots amazingly can find fault with forcibly preventing a man from beating a women to death with a pipe. Taking that stance is not going to find favor with anyone of common inteligence, unless your a total flake, or a socio path. Yeah, sure. :rolleyes:

Look, here's a simple question: Why are the police still looking for this shooter?

Surely a hero would be prepared to stand up and be recognised, or at least provide the police with some details even anonymously and in private. But he/she isn't, and they are actually avoiding the police, otherwise they wouldn't still be sought.

Anyway, if THAT'S the way they deal out "justice" in that part of the USA then I'm not going there. You certainly don't get a fair hearing, and no right of appeal. In fact, it sounds JUST like Iran under the Ayatollahs, come to think of it...instant justice meted out by religion-wielding civillian vigilantes in the street. And I STILL wonder why some people here think this is a GOOD thing!

[Mr Manifesto]

Maybe the police are looking for the shooter because vigilantes do more harm than good.

'Street justice' has a long history in Detroit (http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/7095761.htm)

(You don't need to worry about the fact that it's in a college website either. The byline is from Detroit Free Press- same source as Richard G's)

Detroit Police are adamant, though, that vigilantism is never the right thing to do.

"You have individuals that may be out there committing acts they're not trained to commit, they may be jumping to conclusions that are wrong, and they may be violating the law themselves," Cmdr. Craig Schwartz said. "They become little better than the people they're trying to save the public from."

But that doesn't mean such tactics aren't popular. Clint Eastwood's "Dirty Harry" and Charles Bronson's "Death Wish" movies glorified vigilantism.


It certainly seems to have struck a chord with one poster on this forum.

[Suddenly]

For the shooters sake when the cops pick him up for questioning I hope he has the sense to talk to a lawyer ot at least get an understanding of the law, because:

- If he says he was just defending the woman being attacked, he's got a fighting chance at justification (acquittal, or no charges) or at least mitigation (some sort of manslaughter for imperfect self defense)


- If he spouts some macho garbage about justice, that is evidence of premeditation and he will soon find out what an indictment for 1st degree murder looks like.

This is pretty much what it comes down to, his intent.

[Lord Kenneth]

So, if the attacker wasn't shot, what does that leave the girl? Getting beaten longer until the police came (if, of course, someone called the police in the first place?)

As I see it, someone defended someone whose life was potentially in danger.

[Pat Kelly]

Interesting.

[evildave]

The truth of the matter is probably a lot less heroic than this is being made up to be. Possibly, the people in the car weren't passing "heroes"; maybe just local gang bangers cruising the streets, and pipe boy might have only been invading their 'hood'.

After all, the upstanding, law-abiding thing to do is get out of the car, load the weapon, warn pipe boy, shoot pipe boy (aiming low if he isn't an imminent threat, such as turning to run), and standing by coordinating 911 call and rendering aid (including aid to wounded pipe boy) and waiting for the police and ambulance. That makes you a proper hero. "I did what I had to, to keep people from getting hurt." There is no DA in the U.S. that will press charges if you behaved in this manner. One night of inconvenient police questioning, and then your 15 minutes of fame. Especially if pipe boy is not dead. That's a home run.

Fleeing the scene and running over wounded pipe boy, or running over pipe boy and then shooting him and fleeing the scene, according to the version of the story you believe, does not qualify as "heroic" by any measure, unless you happen to find criminal behavior "heroic".


We have three versions of news stories about it, and there are probably more.

As far as laws to break, these guys have multiple misdemeanors and felonies.

OK, you shot them from the car? You had a loaded weapon in a vehicle. Driving around with a loaded weapon in the passenger compartment (or any compartment) is a no-no. Firing a weapon from a vehicle (moving or not) is also a no-no.

You ran the guy over after the danger to the girl was over? Now, according to whether they chased him with the car as in story #2, or shot him and ran him over as they left (I can't think of a way to do this without getting out of the car to some degree, unless they maneuvered the car just to squish him), that's various classes of vehicular homicide.

If these guys know the law, and don't want to spend a number of years in prison, they'll leave the state and strip/dump the car somewhere and never return. They also need to know politics: knowing what states are least likely to extradite them, if they are identified. Legal advise from OUTSIDE the state's jurisdition is called for.


The other thing I must stress again, is that in all versions of the story: THE CAR PULLED UP.

This does not imply the car is in high speed motion. They most likely STOPPED to shoot the bozo with the pipe. It still isn't really clear if they got out of the car, or not, to do the shooting. It wasn't a "drive by".

[Mr Manifesto]

Hey, Richard... You don't seem to have looked at our hero keeping America free from teenage knock-and-runners... Aren't you going to comment on that guy's right to protect his property?

Why have you left this thread so soon to start another crap one?

[Zep]

Evildave, I agree with your comments on this, from the information presented so far.

[Kodiak]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto


Did it sink in that time, Kodiak?

That you're both a couple of crass asses? Sadly, yeah, it did... :(

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Kodiak


That you're both a couple of crass asses? Sadly, yeah, it did... :(

Can't admit you shot your mouth off without thinking first, huh? Pride is a wonderful thing.

[Kodiak]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto
Can't admit you shot your mouth off without thinking first, huh? Pride is a wonderful thing.

Whatever you say. :rolleyes:

Reexamine your recent posts and think about it...

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Kodiak


Whatever you say. :rolleyes:

Reexamine your recent posts and think about it...

Can't admit you shot your mouth off without thinking first, huh? Pride is a wonderful thing.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto


Can't admit you shot your mouth off without thinking first, huh? Pride is a wonderful thing.

maybe time to let go....
I think there is a strong possibility that Kodiak and myself are both correct, we are probably both Jerks.....

Anyway, I got to call him a Jerk last so that probably means I win (I think)... :D

[Kodiak]

Originally posted by The Fool


maybe time to let go....
I think there is a strong possibility that Kodiak and myself are both correct, we are probably both Jerks.....

Anyway, I got to call him a Jerk last so that probably means I win (I think)... :D

Never were truer words spoken... ;) :D

[Doubt]

Follow up on the original issue again.

http://www.freep.com/news/locway/vig29_20031029.htm


Does street justice justify the killing of a mentally ill person?

The person Taylor referred to was her son, 23-year-old Johnny Donalson Jr. of Detroit, whom she said suffered from bipolar disorder and paranoid schizophrenia.

Donalson swung a metal pipe at passers-by on a west-side Detroit street last week and attacked a 16-year-old Detroit girl, before falling victim to a drive-by shooting, police said. The gunman has not surrendered. The act prompted reaction from across the country, many in support of the killer.


At this point, there is still not enough info to determine if this was justifed or not. But the shooter not coming forward puts him on the wrong side of the law.