Obama To Appear on FOX News O'Reilly's The Factor Thursday

[Cicero]

The DailyKos declared moratorium for Obama to appear on FOX News was already breached when Obama was interviewed by Chris Wallace, but Obama going on O'Reilly has got to be the final neutering for this inchoate and vitriolic blog.

[NotJesus]

Whatever.

[KoihimeNakamura]

Nandeska?

[boloboffin]

Cicero, I started this poll (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/3/201417/3063/570/585232) over at the Kos just for you. It's currently at 64% of the Kossites thinking it's a good or great idea.

[Upchurch]

I am shocked! Shocked, I say!

How can the Daily Kos let you do a poll without a Planet X option? It's absence totally invalidates the results.

[Cicero]

Cicero, I started this poll (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/3/201417/3063/570/585232) over at the Kos just for you. It's currently at 64% of the Kossites thinking it's a good or great idea.

Odd that the Kos Hacks conveniently forgot how Obama ignored their commandment on never to appear on FOX News and now beleive Obama will be fairly treated by O'Reilly.

MSNBC's Dan Abrama will throw his usual fit about how Obama will appear on a cable channel that is critical of him, yet will not come on his show. While Abrams is mystified why he is snubbed, Obama is smart enough to spend his valuable time where there is actually a viewing audience larger than that of "Brooke Knows Best."

[joobz]

Actually, I'm impressed with it.
Way back early in the primaries, I remember O'Reilley giving Kudos to Obama for how he handled an altercation between one of Obama's handlers and O'Reilly interviewers.

(I'm going off very faulty memory here)
But I believe Obama came up apologized for the missunderstanding, and ORielly asked, "When you coming on the factor?" and Obama replied with an "After I get the Nomination."

IF he's already planning to be on the factor 1 week after he has the nomination, that's proof to his word.



I'd be curious to know how OReilly's been dealing with that.

[MattusMaximus]

Sounds like it'll be interesting. I can't wait for the YouTube video.

ETA: Now that I think of it, this is actually a very smart move by Obama. It gets him high profile press on Fox News (and likely other networks as well due to the novelty of it) on the very same day that McCain accepts the GOP nomination. Smart.

[BenBurch]

Sounds like a brave thing to do.

Will McCain consent to be interviewed by Keith Obermann, you think? Not likely if Larry King was too hardball for him!

[MattusMaximus]

Sounds like a brave thing to do.

Will McCain consent to be interviewed by Keith Obermann, you think? Not likely if Larry King was too hardball for him!


*Ouch!* :p

[Cain]

ETA: Now that I think of it, this is actually a very smart move by Obama. It gets him high profile press on Fox News (and likely other networks as well due to the novelty of it) on the very same day that McCain accepts the GOP nomination. Smart.

Which is exactly why he took it. Though CNN had much higher ratings than Fox for the DNC, Fox always gets its best ratings covering the RNC. Obama's going to go on their biggest night.

[MattusMaximus]

Which is exactly why he took it. Though CNN had much higher ratings than Fox for the DNC, Fox always gets its best ratings covering the RNC. Obama's going to go on their biggest night.


And watch him tear all those Wednesday night GOP talking-points to shreds. Better yet, he'll be doing it right in O'Reilly's face. :D

[Cain]

Rip GOP talking points to shreds? Now, now, don't get overexcited. I'm guessing the interview will not be talked about or referenced one week from now.

[Freddy]

O'Reilly's interview with Clinton wasn't very confrontational. It far exceeded my expectations. I expect the same treatment of Obama. As big a blowhard as O'Reilly is, he does a decent interview when he knows he has to go out of his way to be fair.

[Freddy]

Sounds like a brave thing to do.

Will McCain consent to be interviewed by Keith Obermann, you think? Not likely if Larry King was too hardball for him!

I really can't see Olberman being as restrained in an interview of McCain as O'Reilly was in interviewing Hillary Clinton. I expect he'll treat Obama with the same degree of respect. I also think that Obama wouldn't agree to this had O'Reilly not gone out of his way to give Hillary a fair shake. Is there any video out there of Olberman interviewing a conservative and going out of his way to be fair? I don't usually watch him, and I'd be interested in knowing. I consider the two of them equally annoying, for the record.

[Cicero]

I really can't see Olberman being as restrained in an interview of McCain as O'Reilly was in interviewing Hillary Clinton. I expect he'll treat Obama with the same degree of respect. I also think that Obama wouldn't agree to this had O'Reilly not gone out of his way to give Hillary a fair shake. Is there any video out there of Olberman interviewing a conservative and going out of his way to be fair? I don't usually watch him, and I'd be interested in knowing. I consider the two of them equally annoying, for the record.

Since KO has referred to McCain as a war monger, and KO never has on guests with contrary views, the only reason for McCain to go on KO would be to KO KO. Maybe McCain will go on Raychill Maddow's new MSNBC show. Considering her sour outlook for all things not far left, he could get her ratings out of the cellar, for one night.

[NotJesus]

Since KO has referred to McCain as a war monger, and KO never has on guests with contrary views, the only reason for McCain to go on KO would be to KO KO. Maybe McCain will go on Raychill Maddow's new MSNBC show. Considering her sour outlook for all things not far left, he could get her ratings out of the cellar, for one night.


You still can't spell Rachel, I see.

[Cicero]

The Cos Hacks screwed the pooch, again. O'Reilly's interview with Obama airs hours earlier than McCain's convention speech tonight.

[boloboffin]

The Cos Hacks screwed the pooch, again. O'Reilly's interview with Obama airs hours earlier than McCain's convention speech tonight.

How so? How did this group you appear to consider as a monolithic one have any control over any such thing at all?

[Policenaut]

Should be an interesting interview. Also anyone mentioning Keith Olbermann and a real interview should be laughed out of town. Olbermann is so far up Obama and the KOS's ass that I'm surprised people can even get close to him. Also Olbermann has NEVER had anyone with a differing opinion on his show EVER. It's so predictible it's a wonder why people even watch it. Republican attack, Bush attack, anything said or done by anyone not republican praised, liberal friends and commentators agree with Olbermann, McCain attack, McCain attack, Obama love fest, Bill O'Reilly is the worst person in the world, ranting and raving for 5-10 minutes, the end. Every single show follows the same pattern.

[Cicero]

How so? How did this group you appear to consider as a monolithic one have any control over any such thing at all?

Reading the posts on your Cos Hacks thread sure do parrot the same anti FOX News theme.

"More people will watch Obama on FOX...
that will watch McCain accept the nomination.
ENOUGH!"
by David Kroning on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 05:26:29 PM PDT


37 million watched Palin's speech. How does Kroning figure O'Reilly's interview will garner more or less viewers than McCain's speech? The two events are not competing for the same time slot.

"There is a convergence of interests. Fox wants Obama on their network. By boycotting Fox, MSNBC elevated itself as the cutting edge network for political news. Fox wants back in the game and wants to crush MSNBC, so Obama has leverage. Fox is also not pleased about the Palin pick. They wanted Giuliani, Lieberman or Romney. They might have more to gain in an Obama administration."
by khyber900 on Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 05:39:42 PM PDT


MSNBC is the "cutting edge political network?" What study determined this? It surely can not be based on ratings since FOX News trounces both CNN and MSNBC.

Where does khyber900 get his info about whom FOX News wants as McCain's VP? Don't Cos Hackers ever challenge unsubstantiated comments like these?

[dudalb]

Smart move. If he is treated fairly he will have a opportunity to preach in the opposition's favorite pulpit; If O'Reilly does a hatchet job Obama, Obama can make points about how he was willing to face the enemy in his den .

[dudalb]

Should be an interesting interview. Also anyone mentioning Keith Olbermann and a real interview should be laughed out of town. Olbermann is so far up Obama and the KOS's ass that I'm surprised people can even get close to him. Also Olbermann has NEVER had anyone with a differing opinion on his show EVER. It's so predictible it's a wonder why people even watch it. Republican attack, Bush attack, anything said or done by anyone not republican praised, liberal friends and commentators agree with Olbermann, McCain attack, McCain attack, Obama love fest, Bill O'Reilly is the worst person in the world, ranting and raving for 5-10 minutes, the end. Every single show follows the same pattern.

For all the bitter feuding between O Reilly and Olbermann, they are cut from the same cloth, just different colors: BOth are blind Partisans who use the same half truths, dirty tricks, and general dishonesty to get thier ideology across.
Just change the names in the above description of a typical Olbermann show ..which I 100% agree with..and you have a perfect description of the OReilly show.
Both are so much up the butts of their respective parties it is pathetic.

[Cicero]

For all the bitter feuding between O Reilly and Olbermann, they are cut from the same cloth, just different colors: BOth are blind Partisans who use the same half truths, dirty tricks, and general dishonesty to get thier ideology across.
Just change the names in the above description of a typical Olbermann show ..which I 100% agree with..and you have a perfect description of the OReilly show.
Both are so much up the butts of their respective parties it is pathetic.

OREILLY:

Believes in man-made global warming
Is against the death penalty
RFK is his all time hero
Believes in gun control
Attacks the oil companies at every opportunity

also has on liberal pundits and left wing group leaders

Contrast that to KO who is a true liberal ideologue and absolutely would never even entertain the idea of having on any guest with an opposing view.

Changing the names does in no way make these two commentators identical in that description.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

For all the bitter feuding between O Reilly and Olbermann, they are cut from the same cloth, just different colors: BOth are blind Partisans who use the same half truths, dirty tricks, and general dishonesty to get thier ideology across.
Just change the names in the above description of a typical Olbermann show ..which I 100% agree with..and you have a perfect description of the OReilly show.
Both are so much up the butts of their respective parties it is pathetic.

Kieth Olbermann is actually much worse than O'Reilly.

O'Reilly actually challenges some of his guests, while Olbermann just has someone on to agree with him.

Sure, they are both biased as all Hell, but I have slightly more respect for O'Reilly's method for being biased.

Of course, I don't know that Olbermann ever tries to claim that he isn't biased like O'Reilly does, so maybe his is the more ethical bias.

[dudalb]

All I know is that generally when OLbermann or O Reilly comes on 99% of the time I switch channels.
What gets to me is neither Olbermann or O Reilly have a background in covering politics. O Reilly got his start as the star of "Inside Edition" possibly the most lurid Tabloid News Show in TV history (which makes his constant rants about the immoral media pretty silly) and Olbermann was a sportscaster.
Which might actually explain the low quality of the shows.

[dudalb]

OREILLY:

Believes in man-made global warming
Is against the death penalty
RFK is his all time hero
Believes in gun control
Attacks the oil companies at every opportunity

also has on liberal pundits and left wing group leaders

Contrast that to KO who is a true liberal ideologue and absolutely would never even entertain the idea of having on any guest with an opposing view.

Changing the names does in now way make these two commentators identical in that description.


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[Cicero]

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Does this mean that the reason you figured O'Reilly was a Republican echo chamber, even though he is on opposite sides on numerous issues, is because you drink the same beverage as KO?

[Snide]

Kieth Olbermann is actually much worse than O'Reilly.

O'Reilly actually challenges some of his guests, while Olbermann just has someone on to agree with him.

Sure, they are both biased as all Hell, but I have slightly more respect for O'Reilly's method for being biased.I don't see things the same, for this reason:

Of course, I don't know that Olbermann ever tries to claim that he isn't biased like O'Reilly does, so maybe his is the more ethical bias.I have more respect for Rush Limbaugh than Billo for some of the same reasons I have more for Olbermann than Billo. Rush and KO don't lie about who they are, for one.

[Cicero]

I don't see things the same, for this reason:

I have more respect for Rush Limbaugh than Billo for some of the same reasons I have more for Olbermann than Billo. Rush and KO don't lie about who they are, for one.

Where does KO admit that he is an invincibly biased liberal hack with zero journalistic credentials?

[Policenaut]

Well O'Reilly at least lets different viewpoints on his show. What is the point of a political show with no one ever disagreeing with the host? I imagine a Countdown style would play well in North Korea. I think people like Olbermann or Rush or anyone who spews garbage while their feet are never held to the fire are just boring. Why are they so popular? The truth, I fear, is that most people are just too stupid to have their own opinion and need someone who constantly feeds them one who is never questioned or challenged on their own show. It makes them feel smart and on the correct side of the argument.

[Snide]

Where does KO admit that he is an invincibly biased liberal hack with zero journalistic credentials?Oh, gee, I guess he doesn't...wow, you sure got me there! Whew, do I feel sheepish! :D:D

[Snide]

Well O'Reilly at least lets different viewpoints on his show. What is the point of a political show with no one ever disagreeing with the host?To satisfy an audience that doesn't want that.

I imagine a Countdown style would play well in North Korea. I think people like Olbermann or Rush or anyone who spews garbage while their feet are never held to the fire are just boring. Why are they so popular? 'Cause they're good at what they do, even if what they do repulses you.

The truth, I fear, is that most people are just too stupid to have their own opinion and need someone who constantly feeds them one who is never questioned or challenged on their own show. It makes them feel smart and on the correct side of the argument.No doubt that's a large part of it.

[Cicero]

Well O'Reilly at least lets different viewpoints on his show. What is the point of a political show with no one ever disagreeing with the host? I imagine a Countdown style would play well in North Korea. I think people like Olbermann or Rush or anyone who spews garbage while their feet are never held to the fire are just boring. Why are they so popular? The truth, I fear, is that most people are just too stupid to have their own opinion and need someone who constantly feeds them one who is never questioned or challenged on their own show. It makes them feel smart and on the correct side of the argument.

A typical KO panel that runs the gambit of the political spectrum:

Raychill Maddow, David Shuster, Jonathen Alter, Wesley Clark, Howard Fineman, Dana Milbank, Eugene Robinson, and for true insight into the political process, Jeanine Garofalo.

[Cicero]

To satisfy an audience that doesn't want that.


Wouldn't a visit to the Daily Cos Hacks fulfill the same requirement? What does this say about an audience that only seeks out predicable like-minded opinions with zero dissenting voices?

[Dr Adequate]

I for one am enthralled by Cicero's mighty victory over the Daily Cos, which apparently is some kind of a blog. Who knew that this titanic struggle was taking place? But now that we all know about it, let us crown Cicero with laurels and proclaim him the victor.

[Cicero]

I for one am enthralled by Cicero's mighty victory over the Daily Cos, which apparently is some kind of a blog. Who knew that this titanic struggle was taking place? But now that we all know about it, let us crown Cicero with laurels and proclaim him the victor.

What would we do without the Cos Hacks for such accurate reports like Trig is actually Bristol's child? You can no more emerge victorious over this blog than the Orkin Man can with Periplaneta americana.

[Dr Adequate]

What would we do without the Cos Hacks for such accurate reports like Trig is actually Bristol's child? You can no more emerge victorious over this blog than the Orkin Man can with Periplaneta americana. There were some words in there that I recognised.

[BenBurch]

What would we do without the Cos Hacks for such accurate reports like Trig is actually Bristol's child? You can no more emerge victorious over this blog than the Orkin Man can with Periplaneta americana.

If you got a problem with KOS, go post over there, OK?

Because bitching about them here is unproductive.

[Cicero]

If you got a problem with KOS, go post over there, OK?

Because bitching about them here is unproductive.

They would never allow for my dissenting views. They injected themselves into the Palin story so if you feel they are being unfairly attacked, I suggest you skip over these remarks.

[BenBurch]

They would never allow for my dissenting views. They injected themselves into the Palin story so if you feel they are being unfairly attacked, I suggest you skip over these remarks.

Shout down a well for all the good it will do you to complain about them here. Be my guest.

[MattusMaximus]

Hmmm... this thread seems to have devolved into a rant by a conservative who doesn't like the Daily Kos blog - color me surprised.

Back on topic...

So has anyone actually seen the interview between Obama and O'Reilly? Got a YouTube linky?

[David Wong]

Hmmm... this thread seems to have devolved into a rant by a conservative who doesn't like the Daily Kos blog - color me surprised.

Back on topic...

So has anyone actually seen the interview between Obama and O'Reilly? Got a YouTube linky?

I was kind of hoping fox news would have it on their site, but they don't. I was too busy watching football, I'm ashamed to say.

I'm equally ashamed to say I like Bill O'Reilly. He reminds me of myself, sadly, but more importantly he's one of the few interviewers who will ask the freaking follow-up question.

I hate it when he loses his temper and starts talking nonsense, which seems to happen more frequently as time goes on, but when he's in journalist mode he can do a very good, tough, fair interview.

A lot of these pundit types have that in them, they just don't bother very often because the bluster gets better ratings.

[David Wong]

Is this the whole thing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhbYqZ24f08

May get taken down soon...

[Policenaut]

There's going to be another part on tuesday I think.

[WildCat]

Is this the whole thing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhbYqZ24f08

May get taken down soon...
What a tool O'Reilly is. What's with a question that starts with "I think you should"? It's not about you Bill, you're not there to debate Obama you're supposed to be interviewing him.

[David Wong]

Yeah this is all that aired, he's stretching the interview out into next week. I think there's going to be like four parts.

[Redtail]

Is this the whole thing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhbYqZ24f08

May get taken down soon...

:jaw-dropp Sweet baby platypus Jesus! Obama is a werewolf! Look at his hands! American werewolf in the No Spin Zone!!!!

[MattusMaximus]

Is this the whole thing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhbYqZ24f08

May get taken down soon...


Wow. I have to admit, that was damned good. Props to O'Reilly for being a tough but fair interviewer. And props to Obama for giving straight answers and not dancing around the questions.

Dare I say it... has Fox News perhaps renewed my faith that liberals and conservatives can <gasp> get along? :confused:

I definitely want to see part two.

PS: If McCain had any real balls, he'd appear on CNN's Election Center and go toe-to-toe with Campbell Brown. What a wuss.

[MattusMaximus]

What a tool O'Reilly is. What's with a question that starts with "I think you should"? It's not about you Bill, you're not there to debate Obama you're supposed to be interviewing him.


I kind of liked it though. It was more like a dialogue than an interview. An interesting change of pace.

I cannot believe I'm actually complimenting a Fox News show...

Obama's still my man, though! :D

[Cicero]

I kind of liked it though. It was more like a dialogue than an interview. An interesting change of pace.

I cannot believe I'm actually complimenting a Fox News show...

Obama's still my man, though! :D

Hillary's best interview was with O'Reilly as well. It doesn't take MYTHBUSTERS to reveal that FOX News does offer a fair outlet for liberals to come on and make their case.

[Brainster]

Somebody seems to be working with Obama on the um and uh front; even when O'Reilly started hammering him, he avoided the stutter. This could help Obama quite a bit in the debates, as the hesitation has always been one of his weak points as an extemporaneous speaker (compared to his obvious gift at oratory).

[Undesired Walrus]

I was slightly disappointed with Obama, although I suspect it was a result of O'Reilly's frequent interruptions. It was like Obama trying to calm down a raging drunk.

That said, O'Reilly seems like a fine guy, and a better one than Olbermann.

On the stutter front -as Brainster points out- Obama seems to remedy this by extending his vowels, giving him more time to think. See for example the way he says 'Aaaaaaaaand'.

[David Wong]

From that interview, I get the sense that O'Reilly likes Obama.

[Tony]

OREILLY:

Believes in man-made global warming
Is against the death penalty
RFK is his all time hero
Believes in gun control
Attacks the oil companies at every opportunity



He also supports gay adoption, or did when I used to watch him a lot. What turned me off of Bill O was his moralizing, his bluster, his often shallow analysis, his lying (paris business review), his demoguogery (SP's aka "secular progressives" aka anti-American evil doers) and his ignorance (support of creationism). But I will admit that he has a streak of independence that you don't see in alot of in his commentator counterparts.

He also comes off as someone less interested in actual debate and more as someone who uses the opposing guest as a foil to show how correct he is. In short, it's theater, not information.

I never watch Keith O, so I dont know enough about him.

[BenBurch]

From that interview, I get the sense that O'Reilly likes Obama.

Its hard NOT to like Obama.

[not_so_new]

He also supports gay adoption, or did when I used to watch him a lot. What turned me off of Bill O was his moralizing, his bluster, his often shallow analysis, his lying (paris business review), his demoguogery (SP's aka "secular progressives" aka anti-American evil doers) and his ignorance (support of creationism). But I will admit that he has a streak of independence that you don't see in alot of in his commentator counterparts.

He also comes off as someone less interested in actual debate and more as someone who uses the opposing guest as a foil to show how correct he is. In short, it's theater, not information.
How about his flip flopping (http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-card), that doesn't bother you?

;)

You have to watch that link for a little to get to Pappa Bear. Now THAT is good journalism by Bill O.

I used to watch the guy until I realized just how full of it he is. A bag of hot air (http://www.comedycentral.com/colbertreport/videos.jhtml?videoId=168451).

[Cicero]

How about his flip flopping (http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-card), that doesn't bother you?

;)

You have to watch that link for a little to get to Pappa Bear. Now THAT is good journalism by Bill O.

I used to watch the guy until I realized just how full of it he is. A bag of hot air (http://www.comedycentral.com/colbertreport/videos.jhtml?videoId=168451).

Any TV/cable/radio show hosted by a pundit/commentator is by nature a "gas bag." There are no exceptions. But KO's noxious gas is never neutralized with less combustionable mixtures.

[Wangler]

I kind of liked it though. It was more like a dialogue than an interview. An interesting change of pace.

I cannot believe I'm actually complimenting a Fox News show...

Obama's still my man, though! :D

I agree, it was a great interview.

It was seven minutes; if there are four parts, that was a long interview!

O'reilly didn't seem too obnoxious, and Obama seemed to do OK as well.

[BPSCG]

I don't watch O'Reilly much, but I've noticed that his style is very different depending on whether he's doing a one-on-one interview, as with Obama or Clinton, or his usual five minute interview with a guest.

On the five-minute interviews, his guest is there to talk about one issue, and, depending on O'Reilly's own opinion, gets either a friendly reception with a few softball questions, or gets steamrolled.

The one-on-one, as others have pointed out, he comes across as tough, but fair.

I've never seen Olberman at all, so I can't speak to him, but I've read and heard nothing about him that would make me think he would do a tough-but-fair interview with anyone. If Tim Russert were still alive, he'd have been covering the conventions for NBC/MSNBC. I think that's an indication of how far NBC/MSNBC's standards have fallen.

[Redtail]

Somebody seems to be working with Obama on the um and uh front; even when O'Reilly started hammering him, he avoided the stutter. This could help Obama quite a bit in the debates, as the hesitation has always been one of his weak points as an extemporaneous speaker (compared to his obvious gift at oratory).

Yeah I worked on this with some local politicians in CT one summer when I was in grad. As UW mentioned the elongating of vowels, hand gestures to cover pauses, and most important breathing. (For some reason when most people start to focus hard on a response they tend to hold their breath and that will silp your brain into neutral.) From the looks of it it's been fairly recent since they've gotten to breathing exercises because his pattern looked a little forced.

That said I'll be looking forward to the rest of the interview. Both did a good job in that segment.

[not_so_new]

Any TV/cable/radio show hosted by a pundit/commentator is by nature a "gas bag." There are no exceptions. But KO's noxious gas is never neutralized with less combustionable mixtures.

I don't think I brought up the name "Keith Olbermann" and neither did the post that I quoted but let me go check…. hummm no, nope I didn't. Kind of a strawman on your part don't you think?

Also, did you happen to watch the clips I posted? Because in the first one there is more going on than just Pappa Bear being a gas bag.

He takes a very a strong stance in both instances so he is either lying in the first segment or lying in the second, I don't think he changed his views in the 6 or so months between each.

It's not a liberal or conservative thing here. I think BOTH sides should be equally disgusted by the sad state of the news media in our nation. Bill O is at the top of the list for me and NOT because of his political slant but because of the false presentation of his slant.

If we fought for better news coverage we would probably spend a lot less time fighting among ourselves IMHO because people like Bill and KO are divisive.

[Cicero]

I don't think I brought up the name "Keith Olbermann" and neither did the post that I quoted but let me go check…. hummm no, nope I didn't. Kind of a strawman on your part don't you think?

Also, did you happen to watch the clips I posted? Because in the first one there is more going on than just Pappa Bear being a gas bag.

He takes a very a strong stance in both instances so he is either lying in the first segment or lying in the second, I don't think he changed his views in the 6 or so months between each.

It's not a liberal or conservative thing here. I think BOTH sides should be equally disgusted by the sad state of the news media in our nation. Bill O is at the top of the list for me and NOT because of his political slant but because of the false presentation of his slant.

If we fought for better news coverage we would probably spend a lot less time fighting among ourselves IMHO because people like Bill and KO are divisive.

The fact you did not mention KO in your condemnation of O'Reilly was conspicuous by its absence. Neither O'Reilly or KO are disseminators of news. But what we have now are two separate interviews by O'Reilly of the leading Democrat leaders and both interviews provided the interviewee with fair platforms. The news quotient of these interviews, for those who reflexively dismiss O'Reilly as some sort of crazed far right bomb thrower, is that for a "divisive" fellow, he manges to be courteous and fair to both sides of the political spectrum. If you still deny this then you refuse to give the guy a fair shake.

[not_so_new]

The fact you did not mention KO in your condemnation of O'Reilly was conspicuous by its absence. Neither O'Reilly or KO are disseminators of news. But what we have now are two separate interviews by O'Reilly of the leading Democrat leaders and both interviews provided the interviewee with fair platforms. The news quotient of these interviews, for those who reflexively dismiss O'Reilly as some sort of crazed far right bomb thrower, is that for a "divisive" fellow, he manges to be courteous and fair to both sides of the political spectrum. If you still deny this then you refuse to give the guy a fair shake.

Reading comprehension skills got ya down? Don't worry camper, we all have bad days.

Here, let me help.

I wasn't talking about KO, I was responding to a post about BO (pretty funny….. I am a clever little devil). So your "conspicuous by absence" argument could be one of two things....

1) Am skipped KO when I was talking about BO because I think KO is better than sliced bread. Even though I didn't mention him by name I gave all the tell tail signs that I have a corner of my house devoted to KO worship.

2) You just assumed the omission of KO in my post was me showing my bias because it's part of your preconceived notion of ME, someone you have never met and who you only know from postings on the Internet.

Which is it... what could the real truth be.... hummmmm......

OH WAIT... I got it. How about the part were I said

If we fought for better news coverage we would probably spend a lot less time fighting among ourselves IMHO because people like Bill and KO are divisive.

You guessed it camper, #2 is correct. Bob tell him what he has won....

:)

[mrbaracuda]

Nandeska?

Uh, baka is gonna appear on aho'factor? :D

[not_so_new]

So someone just sent me this....

I am not a big KO fan (contrary to what some would have you believe :rolleyes: ) but you got to hand it to the guy, this is pretty freak'n funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxq4xZgtvmw&feature=related

[Malerin]

O'Reilly: If Iran gets a nuclear weapon, they're gonna give it to Hezbollah... why not?

Why didn't Obama challenge him on this? Achmedinijad is a nut, but I doubt the mullahs running the show over there have any desire to see Iran turned into slag, which is what would happen if we even had an inkling they were involved in a nuclear attack against us.

[Cicero]

Bill O is featuring his interview with Obama while KO is doing a 9 minute diatribe on Bush for not replacing the Twin Towers with a memorial or another structure. The U.S.S. Arizona Memorial wasn't erected until 20 years after the attack on Pearl Harbor.

***..."Who has left this hole in the ground? We have not forgotten, Mr. President.You have. May this country forgive you"...*** KO

KO then quotes Rod Serling from a "Twilight Zone" episode using that message as a rebuke of the Bush Administration's use of 911 to drum up fear. Unfortuantely for KO, Serling's point was anything but KO's interpretation. Serling was criticized by the political left for this very episode.

"The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street was my commentary on how the minorities always need a scapegoat to explain their own weaknesses." Rod Serling -March, 1960 The Miami Herald

Serling was also criticized for actually calling then Soviet Premier Kruschev a liar in his episode "The Whole Truth," January, 1961

I don't think Serling and KO share many, if any, political, social, or pop culture opinions.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/11/keith-olbermanns-special-commnet-on-bush-who-has-left-this-hole-in-the-ground-we-have-not-forgotten-mr-president-you-have-may-this-country-forgive-you/

[leftysergeant]

A typical KO panel that runs the gambit of the political spectrum:

Raychill Maddow, David Shuster, Jonathen Alter, Wesley Clark, Howard Fineman, Dana Milbank, Eugene Robinson, and for true insight into the political process, Jeanine Garofalo.

The whole idea is to provide a venue for persons with a view from the left to get out their message. There are too few venues that have survived the machinations of the right-wing corporate behemoth to waste time letting some drooling moron parrot the daily talking points from Karl Rove.

That's what they have the Rushblob for. With right-wing pirates pulling the plug on liberals in every market where they can get away with it, some sanitary spots must be preserved free of right-wing drool. It is just so difficult to get a right-winger on the tube who will conduct himself in a civilized manner, they are best left to rant and rave on their own venues.

[chipmunk stew]

O'Reilly: If Iran gets a nuclear weapon, they're gonna give it to Hezbollah... why not?

Why didn't Obama challenge him on this?
Because it would have derailed the interview into a wonky debate that would have made Obama look like an ostrich. Thank Ed he didn't take the bait.

[Cicero]

The whole idea is to provide a venue for persons with a view from the left to get out their message. There are too few venues that have survived the machinations of the right-wing corporate behemoth to waste time letting some drooling moron parrot the daily talking points from Karl Rove.

That's what they have the Rushblob for. With right-wing pirates pulling the plug on liberals in every market where they can get away with it, some sanitary spots must be preserved free of right-wing drool. It is just so difficult to get a right-winger on the tube who will conduct himself in a civilized manner, they are best left to rant and rave on their own venues.

The "liberal" message is not getting out on ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, PBS, NPR, The New York Times, LA Times, Washington Post, Air America, The Daily Cos Hacks, Moveon.org or even FOX News?

Karl Rove has been out of the White House for over a year. Didn't you get the memo from KO?

[leftysergeant]

The "liberal" message is not getting out on ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, PBS, NPR, The New York Times, LA Times, Washington Post, Air America, The Daily Cos Hacks, Moveon.org or even FOX News?

Nope.

The right wingers buy the radio signals out from under progressive radio stations that carry people like Randi Rhodes, Thom Hartmann, Rachael Maddow and Ed Schultz so that they can give their own watered-down reports of what is going on. They can down-play scandals like McCain's son driving another bank into the ditch, or Palin's religious fanatacism or McCains mental deterioration. They can seize on irrelevant BS like the rage with which Pastor Wright grew up in an outrageous society.

It's an ownership thing. They own the strong signals and they are using them to shape public opoinion so that the ranting right looks main-stream.

[Alferd_Packer]

O'Reilly: If Iran gets a nuclear weapon, they're gonna give it to Hezbollah... why not?


Does O'Reilly really think that if Iran had a Nuke that they'd give it away?

[leftysergeant]

Good heavens! I finally got time to download that clip and watch it. BillO finally said something right about military strategy, admitting that Iraq was the wrong battelfield. Which way did the sun rise that day?

Obama got in the most important point on the surge, i.e., that there were other factors that came into play to allow it to succede, but that the follow-up is still ineffectual.

Obama shows a pretty good grasp of global strategy.

And even with the stutter, I think he is a better speaker off-the-cuff than McCain.

And he doesn't back down from BillO. I think he even intiomidates BillO because he is not used to people handing it back to him like Obama did.

[Cicero]

Nope.

The right wingers buy the radio signals out from under progressive radio stations that carry people like Randi Rhodes, Thom Hartmann, Rachael Maddow and Ed Schultz so that they can give their own watered-down reports of what is going on. They can down-play scandals like McCain's son driving another bank into the ditch, or Palin's religious fanatacism or McCains mental deterioration. They can seize on irrelevant BS like the rage with which Pastor Wright grew up in an outrageous society.

It's an ownership thing. They own the strong signals and they are using them to shape public opoinion so that the ranting right looks main-stream.


Raychill Maddow now has gig on MSNBC. She took the low rated Dan Abrams spot. Do you think she will reach more people on MSNBC than she did on the bankrupt Air America?

BTW: the book publisher of Ron Suskind's "The Way of the World: A Story of Truth and Hope in an Age of Extremism," is owned by Rupert Murdock. I guess the squelching of liberal voices by a conservative media magnate is not all it's cracked up to be.

[mhaze]

What turned me off of Bill O ....and his ignorance (support of creationism)....
Since he professes to be Catholic, you would be the ignorant one ....

[leftysergeant]

BTW: the book publisher of Ron Suskind's "The Way of the World: A Story of Truth and Hope in an Age of Extremism," is owned by Rupert Murdock. I guess the squelching of liberal voices by a conservative media magnate is not all it's cracked up to be.

He is still willing to take liberal's money, too. It costs a lot to gobble up the radio and television stations.

[mrbaracuda]

Good heavens! I finally got time to download that clip

May I ask where? :)

[Ausmerican]

Cicero this is OT but I have to ask. What is the reason you always misspell Rachel Maddows name as Raychill and Kos as Cos? I am genuinely curious and wondering if I am missing an obvious joke or something.

[leftysergeant]

Cicero this is OT but I have to ask. What is the reason you always misspell Rachel Maddows name as Raychill and Kos as Cos? I am genuinely curious and wondering if I am missing an obvious joke or something.

He appears to use the Rushblob's talking points.