john lennon - no

[Nie Trink Wasser]

if only Yoko Ono would get lost in the woods for an extremely long period of time.



Musician -- John Lennon

A self-obssessed, calculating, anorexic family-abandoner who slagged his friends, chased whatever the current zeitgeist was, and reportedly made everyone around him miserable. But, like Lucifer, he managed to pull off one of the greatest tricks in the history of rock 'n' roll -- convincing everyone that Paul McCartney was the a**hole, and that he was just a humble, peace-loving, fame-and-money-shunning second-coming of Christ that the world just didn't understand. Keep in mind, his first recorded Beatles song was "Please Please Me", which was named for his habit of demanding that groupies fellate him before he went onstage.

I have to give the guy credit for making the masses, especially (again!) New York's clueless cultural elite, in the late 70's, swallow his ten-years-too-late hippie New Age bulls**t ("Imagine") as if it were this great new direction in rock. And how about when he sold himself as the GREATEST FATHER IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, when Julian, his first son, very much alive and aware, had to swallow decades of neglect and even scorn? Although he did write that heartfelt song "Hey Jude" for Julian when Julian was so sad about John's divorce from...oh, wait, Paul wrote that one. Sorry.

But wasn't it cool how John Lennon wrote that bad-ass, edgy "How Do You Sleep At Night?" song about Paul -- an unlistenable, plodding number that no one's ever played twice? And what did that a**hole Paul respond with? Oh yeah, "Silly Love Songs", a self-mocking, good-humored pop tune you can hum.

John Lennon -- woman hater, shi**y father, trend follower, bulimic, sour-natured heroin addict and millionaire. Imagine!

http://www.pattonoswalt.com/

[Evolver]

I always thought the best post-Beatles Lennon song was "Genius Is Pain", from National Lampoon's Radio Dinner album. Of course, it wasn't really Lennon, but it should have been.

[shecky]

Am I missing something? What's the point of this post?

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by shecky
Am I missing something? What's the point of this post?


why do morons always ask the same question ?



here's the point, genius :

I don't like John Lennon and the text i posted helps explain why.

[TruthSeeker]

Please please me...like I please you..
If it has anything to do with oral sex, it actually sounds more like a man who is begging his woman to reciprocate. From what I hear, this is not an uncommon situation.


The lyrics:

Last night I said these words to my girl,
I know you never even try, girl,
C'mon...
Please please me, whoa yeah, like I please you.

You don't need me to show the way, love.
Why do I always have to say "love,"
C'mon...
Please please me, whoa yeah, like I please you.

I don't wanna sound complainin',
But you know there's always rain in my heart (in my heart).
I do all the pleasin' with you, it's so hard to reason
With you, whoah yeah, why do you make me blue.

Last night I said these words to my girl,
I know you never even try, girl,
C'mon...
Please please me, whoa yeah, like I please you.

[wilzoid]

John Lennon was arguably one of the greatest rock-n-roll singers ever and created a legacy of wonderful music that generations have shared. Like many of us, he was flawed when it came to relationships. His efforts on behalf of humanity should not be degraded by the obvious imperfections of the human condition. Nobody's perfect.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
if only Yoko Ono would get lost in the woods for an extremely long period of time.




:s2:

moron

[a_unique_person]

They were both very talented, artistc egomaniacs. That was a part of the magic of the Beatles, Paul and John trying to outdo each other all the time. I like the work both of them produced, while being aware of their personal flaws.

And Paul put out just as much rubbish as John did. I have just been listening to "Plastic Ono Band" again, and it is brilliant. (Fortunately, even though Yoko has her name on the cover, she isn't hear at all.)

[Peter Jenkins]

John Lennon -- woman hater, shi**y father, trend follower, bulimic, sour-natured heroin addict and millionaire. Imagine!

I don't like John Lennon and the text i posted helps explain why.

I like John Lennons Music. I like Paul McCartneys music
I don't believe that you have to choose between the two.
And I don't see how JL's reputation as a father, or how many drugs he took, changes his music.

You remind me of someone I once knew, who made the comment " Candle In the Wind. Yeah I used to like that song 'til I found out Elton was a poof". I thought that comment was the product of a total pr4tt. Guess what I think of your comments
Peter

[epepke]

Rebecca Walch's guide to categorizing Beatle's songs:

If it sounds like, "oh, oh, oy vey, I'm so depressed," it's a John Lennon song.

If it sounds like, "Do dee doo! Doo de DEE dee do!" it's a Paul McCartney song.

If it sounds like, "Neer neer neer neer boing boing," it's a George Harrison song.

And if you can't sing it, it's a Ringo Starr song.

[fishbob]

The Stones were better.

1 - They played songs you could dance to.
2 - Their drug and alcohol use was wild party related and not mixed with mystical, spiritual mumbo-jumbo.
3 - They stayed together.

(Note for 2 above - except for Ringo).

[Mark]

Oh, admit it NTW, your real goal with this post is the same as ALL your other posts: to convince people the Marilyn Manson is the only true artist who ever lived.

That said, I like some of Lennon's songs, I hate some others, and some are just OK.

Manson, however, is to my ears, excrutiatingly boring at all times.

[Mark]

Originally posted by fishbob
The Stones were better.

1 - They played songs you could dance to.
2 - Their drug and alcohol use was wild party related and not mixed with mystical, spiritual mumbo-jumbo.
3 - They stayed together.

(Note for 2 above - except for Ringo).

The Kinks were even better. Most of the things the Beatles and Stones were arguing over who-did-what-first, were done by the Kinks even earlier.

Edited to add:

I am curious, though. Why is drug use in the name of partying, preferable to drug use in the name of spritual exploration?

[shemp]

NTW doesn't even have enough brains to post attribution for his quote. Who wrote those words, that auto-fellating wife-beater you worship, Jim Goad? Yeah, he's a big f*cking talent! He makes his name by ripping everyone else and contributing nothing, just like you. Why don't you go please him, jackass?

[Frank Newgent]

http://www.hollywoodusa.co.uk/images/lennon.jpg

To Nie Trink,

I'm sick and tired of reading things from neurotic,
psychotic narrow minded hypocritics,
I’m sick to death of seeing things from paranoid,
condescending, mama’s little prima-donnas

John Lennon

[Mr Manifesto]

Sinister W! :roll:

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by fishbob
The Stones were better.

1 - They played songs you could dance to.
2 - Their drug and alcohol use was wild party related and not mixed with mystical, spiritual mumbo-jumbo.
3 - They stayed together.

(Note for 2 above - except for Ringo).


:clap:

the Kinks were a much better band for me too.

Shimp, wipe off your mouth and get back to growing bigger love handles.

John Lennon is the archetype of the boring rock star and the quote is from patton oswalt

[shemp]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser



:clap:

the Kinks were a much better band for me too.

Shimp, wipe off your mouth and get back to growing bigger love handles.

John Lennon is the archetype of the boring rock star and the quote is from patton oswalt


Oh, you have an interest in OTHER complete losers besides Jim Goad? When professional jerkoff blowhard Patton Oswalt does something that qualifies him to comment on John Lennon, somebody let me know please.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by shemp


Oh, you have an interest in OTHER complete losers besides Jim Goad? When professional jerkoff blowhard Patton Oswalt does something that qualifies him to comment on John Lennon, somebody let me know please.


john lennon is far from sacred.

you're just another bad act around here shimp. You talk as if anything that comes off of you lil fingertips in here is worth noting, but I'm afraid your personality is just another mixture of sh*t and a stupid chimp.

thus, shimp.

woop woop.

[billydkid]

What I never understood is why a guy who could have had any of an assortment of zillions of gorgeous women would choose to marry a hideous skank like Yoko.

And yeah, you, me and Mark David Chapman all agree in our assessment of Johnny's character. I also thought many of his songs sucked, although I did own a number of his post Beatles albums. What happened Jullian's career anyway? Yoko has a big spread up here by me in Cooperstown. A friend of mine has done carpentry work for her once in a while. Turns out she is exactly the jackass she appears to be.

[Jessica Blue]

Keep in mind, his first recorded Beatles song was "Please Please Me", which was named for his habit of demanding that groupies fellate him before he went onstage.

I find that hard to swallow.

[Zep]

Yeah, that's right! John Lennon was a no-good, no-hoper d1psh1t from the back streets of Liverpool who wrote and played no music that had any merit whatsoever in that or any other time. He was a blowhard junkie with the morals of a rattlesnake, and about as much talent. Why he got all the kudos is beyond me - I fail to see why someone doesn't just shoot him in the street he's such a waste of oxygen.

Oh...wait. That's been done. By a lone-gun nutter. So he IS dead. Isn't he.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Well, NTW, you have got what your favourite commentator obviously wanted. An outlet for his inane and insane ramblings. So why bother to post his diatribe here? Even though he has got his historical facts entirely wrong and just has an axe to grind, is it that you "are of like mind" that you are simply lending him the grindstone? Being a hollow and brainless speaking-trumpet for a braying donkey? Hmmm??

Naw...couldn't be... You're too smart for that, aren't you! Of course. ;) ;) ;)

[shemp]

Sinister Wanker is just playing out his sick fantasies. He dreams of orally pleasing John Lennon in Strawberry Fields forever.

[Ove]

NTW climb back up your tree. The Beatles was FOUR gifted musicians that got together in the same test-tube and created one of the most powerfull reactions ever seen. Debating who was the best is like asking: "Is there farther to New York than there is on bike".


If it sounds like, "oh, oh, oy vey, I'm so depressed," it's a John Lennon song.

If it sounds like, "Do dee doo! Doo de DEE dee do!" it's a Paul McCartney song.

If it sounds like, "Neer neer neer neer boing boing," it's a George Harrison song.

And if you can't sing it, it's a Ringo Starr song.


Great list but i'll just say that it must be "If you CAN sing it it is a Ringo Song". The other guys wrote the songs with his (lack of) singing abilities in mind.:D Still he has sung some of Beatles's most charming numbers.;)

[jj]

Nie Trink Wasser is!
Astonishment , he remains?
His self, tragedy!

[Zep]

He's a real nowhere man,
Sitting in his nowhere land,
Making all his nowhere plans,
For nobody...


Sorry, but I couldn't resist!

[Iconoclast]

Originally posted by Jessica Blue
I find that hard to swallow.
I find that hard to believe considering the occupation listed in your profile.

[DrMatt]

The only band from the era worth remembering was the Monkees.

[Checkmite]

I'm forced to agree with many of the sentiments...yes, Lennon sucked as a husband and father; yes, I have to change the station everytime Imagine comes on the radio; yes, although he was a Very Famous Person who Called-For-Peace(TM), he didn't do a damned thing to achieve it except those brainless, idiotic "bed-ins" (That's what I think I'll do to help achieve world peace...sit in bed for five days). But if you're talking about the dissolution of the Beatles, I blame Yoko for that more than John. In any case, to be honest I don't think any of it really matters now.

[Mark]

Originally posted by DrMatt
The only band from the era worth remembering was the Monkees.

They (all 4) did a really good reunion CD in 1996 called "Justus."

[Ove]

But if you're talking about the dissolution of the Beatles, I blame Yoko for that more than John. In any case, to be honest I don't think any of it really matters now.

True and ...true. That woman really had a very over inflated ego. I have told this story before but it is so good. There was a "Rockumentary" about Judas Priest and the making off "British Steel"(on the absolute to 10 of remarkable rock albums) and they apparently recorded the album in John's old mansion, which he sold to Ringo, who rented it out as studio. They discovered that all lavatories had two "thrones" side by side. Apparently Yoko wanted to share EVERYTHING with John, even crapping.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Legend has it that Ringo once said in her face: "You are an extremely twisted person" (or something like that).

[Crossbow]

I find that one should separate the work from the person.

There are many people in history who have accomplished incredible work and have had rather bad personalities. Michelangelo, Newton, Van Gogh, Wagner, Downey, Garland, Ellision, just to name a few; one does not have to be on good personal terms with a person in order to appreciate their work.

[Mark]

Originally posted by Ove


True and ...true. That woman really had a very over inflated ego. I have told this story before but it is so good. There was a "Rockumentary" about Judas Priest and the making off "British Steel"(on the absolute to 10 of remarkable rock albums) and they apparently recorded the album in John's old mansion, which he sold to Ringo, who rented it out as studio. They discovered that all lavatories had two "thrones" side by side. Apparently Yoko wanted to share EVERYTHING with John, even crapping.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Legend has it that Ringo once said in her face: "You are an extremely twisted person" (or something like that).

Regardless of your feelings about Yoko (truth is, you don't know her, and neither do I), to say she broke up the Beatles is silly and very insulting to John. He was a big boy, and fully capable of making his own decisions. The respective egos of John and Paul would have torn the band apart anyway. Get over it, and stop blaming a woman you have never met.

[Iconoclast]

Originally posted by Crossbow
There are many people in history who have accomplished incredible work and have had rather bad personalities. Michelangelo, Newton, Van Gogh, Wagner, Downey, Garland, Ellision, just to name a few
Thomas Edison as well.

[Mark]

Originally posted by Iconoclast

Thomas Edison as well.

Even Ghandi.

[Checkmite]

Originally posted by Mark

Get over it, and stop blaming a woman you have never met.

Instead blame two men I've never met? I'll blame whom I choose...and anyway, what are you gonna do about it, huh? HUH? Yeah, that's what I THOUGHT!

[Mark]

Originally posted by Joshua Korosi


Instead blame two men I've never met? I'll blame whom I choose...and anyway, what are you gonna do about it, huh? HUH? Yeah, that's what I THOUGHT!

(Insert gross and flatulent noises here)

:wink8:

[Ove]

Regardless of your feelings about Yoko (truth is, you don't know her, and neither do I), to say she broke up the Beatles is silly and very insulting to John. He was a big boy, and fully capable of making his own decisions. The respective egos of John and Paul would have torn the band apart anyway. Get over it, and stop blaming a woman you have never met.

No i'm sorry but i won't, true there was a multitude of reasons to the split but it didn't become inevitable until Yoko showed up on the stage. I have read a lot of books about that period and one thing that most of them mentionsl is Yoko's need for posession. She couldn't leave John alone for 2 minutes, she wanted to OWN him and she wouldn't share him with anybody else.

You are right in the sense that she didn't directly say to John: "Get out of that group" (as far as i know at least) but she was one of the major factors.

Besides, yes he was a big boy but he was also madly in love and when you are in love you do extremely stupid things.

[Iconoclast]

Originally posted by Mark
Even Ghandi.
Really?! I'd like to hear more, or was he just miffed that he couldn't solve the riddle of the sound of one hand clapping?

[Mark]

Originally posted by Ove


No i'm sorry but i won't, true there was a multitude of reasons to the split but it didn't become inevitable until Yoko showed up on the stage. I have read a lot of books about that period and one thing that most of them mentionsl is Yoko's need for posession. She couldn't leave John alone for 2 minutes, she wanted to OWN him and she wouldn't share him with anybody else.

You are right in the sense that she didn't directly say to John: "Get out of that group" (as far as i know at least) but she was one of the major factors.

Besides, yes he was a big boy but he was also madly in love and when you are in love you do extremely stupid things.

I think the operative question is, why did John Lennon choose to be with someone who "wouldn't leave him alone for 2 minutes." The Beatles, as a performing unit, were clearly doomed anyway. Ringo had left once already, George had one foot out the door after touring with Bonnie and Delaney, Paul wanted to play ALL the instruments on his songs, and John was obviously terribly conflicted with the whole whole pop star thing. You give Yoko too much credit; she didn't break up the Beatles. Drugs, egos, fame, and bad management (Allen Klein) decisions did that.

Ghandi was said to be aterrible family man.

[fishbob]

I am curious, though. Why is drug use in the name of partying, preferable to drug use in the name of spritual exploration? Party use - doing something stupid for no good reason. Later you can say "damn, I was stupid that night". Personally responsible for your actions.

Spiritual exploration - justification for for doing something stupid. Later you have an excuse for stupid behavior. No personal responsibility = Cop Out.

[Jessica Blue]

Originally posted by billydkid
What I never understood is why a guy who could have had any of an assortment of zillions of gorgeous women would choose to marry a hideous skank like Yoko.Maybe he wasn't shallow...

Like her or not, uppity bitch or not, Yoko got a huge amount of unfair flak from the media/fans when she took up with John Lennon...like she was some sort of evil Eve luring Adam away from Beatles Paradise.

Why? Was it because she was so distinctive, Asian, ultra-arty and dared to veer from the familiar?

[Ove]

I think the operative question is, why did John Lennon choose to be with someone who "wouldn't leave him alone for 2 minutes."

Let me spell it out for you: L O V E!!!!!!!!! (which is all you need as you probably know):D

The Beatles, as a performing unit, were clearly doomed anyway.

The Beatles gave up performing when they made Sgt. Pepper. Read George Martin's exellent book "Summer of Love" i can recommend it, it gives a lot of reasons why the Beatles stopped performing but mostly it was because they simply couldn't hear themselves when playing because of screaming girls, remember PA systems wasn't what they are today.

But i see no reason to why John and Paul couldn't have continued as a successfull writing Duo for many years other that Yoko's desire to "own" John and decide what was good for him and what was not.
Why? Was it because she was so distinctive, Asian, ultra-arty and dared to veer from the familiar?

One of the reasons could be that she publicly said many times that her "art" was far more important and artistic than John's songwriting. She actually several times mocked Beatles and Beatles songs. That isn't a good start of a relationship with Beatles fans (OTOH she didn't mind helping John spend his money).

[Mark]

Originally posted by Ove


Let me spell it out for you: L O V E!!!!!!!!! (which is all you need as you probably know):D



The Beatles gave up performing when they made Sgt. Pepper. Read George Martin's exellent book "Summer of Love" i can recommend it, it gives a lot of reasons why the Beatles stopped performing but mostly it was because they simply couldn't hear themselves when playing because of screaming girls, remember PA systems wasn't what they are today.

But i see no reason to why John and Paul couldn't have continued as a successfull writing Duo for many years other that Yoko's desire to "own" John and decide what was good for him and what was not.


One of the reasons could be that she publicly said many times that her "art" was far more important and artistic than John's songwriting. She actually several times mocked Beatles and Beatles songs. That isn't a good start of a relationship with Beatles fans (OTOH she didn't mind helping John spend his money).

C'mon, guys. Paul left first. Yes, I realize John was talking about it before Paul, but Paul did it. George was talking about it before John. And Ringo DID quit before any of them, although he came back.

This was hardly a happy family until Yoko showed up.

My point with John choosing someone like Yoko was simply that: why did he choose to fall in love with someone like her? The fact that he did indicates to me that if it hadn't been her, it would have been someone just like her.

[shecky]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser



why do morons always ask the same question ?



here's the point, genius :

I don't like John Lennon and the text i posted helps explain why.

Aw, c'mon NTW. You couldn't dig up a more colorful quote to express you venom?

"...me not like lennon... me post... tell why..."