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latent aaaack
7th September 2008, 10:18 AM
There is a global convergence of governments across the world strongly and sharply towards the right, often accompanied by faint but increasing shades of radicalism. Look at these following examples from different countries below - including countries few commonly associate with right wing politics at all. This is something I've been noticing over the past few years and the recent UK election topped it all off and made me want to start a long thread detailing all the countries which have moved more right than historically normal.

I don't believe any one reason could account for this. So what's happening? Individual governments swing back and forth often between various ideologies but for so many countries to swing in the same direction in the same 10 year period? Is this a permanent reaction to new permanent features of western societies? If this, on the other hand, represents an emerging re-occuring pattern where countries trend left for fifty years and then swing right, how long might this trend last? Or is it all a coincidence that they're in synchrony currently and ten years from now will all these countries be the usual mix they were during the post WW2-1990s era? Are societies becoming so similar to each other and changing too fast for people's comfort or in ways they simply don't want?



Here are examples which encompass much of the developed western world:

1. The right wing growing Progress Party of Norway is now the most popular party in that country and is at an unprecedented high point, now more popular than the more left Labor Party.

2. In Sweden, after being led by the Social Democrats for 65 of the last 74 years the most right wing mainstream party won in 2006.

3. In France, Sarkozy, a tough right wing politician who supports a break with the political and elements of the traditional past of that country, actually espouses closer relations with and voices admiration for the US, and who supports attacking Iran, is the latest president.

4. In the UK the Labour Party is nose diving, Conservatives set to take power, and the BNP, a far right and whites only party is steadily gaining percentage points over the years and achieves support (like 5% in the London Mayoral election) that such a party (there isn't even a comparable one) in the US could only dream of.

5.Germany's center-right Christian Democratic Party won in 2005 and about the other major party, the left wing Social Democratic Party wikipedia says this:

But never before has the party moved so far away from its traditional socialist stance as it did under the Schröder government. Its ever increasing tendency towards liberal politics and cutbacks in government spending on social welfare programs led to a dramatic decline in voter support, and to Gerhard Schröder being pejoratively called “der Genosse der Bosse”, meaning the (socialist) comrade (who is a friend) of the (big) bosses.

For many years, membership in the SPD has been declining. Down from a high of over 1 million in 1976, there were about 775,000 members at the time of the 1998 election victory, by February 2008 the figure had dropped to 537,995.

6. Italy was won recently by Berlusconi, there are troops patrolling cities, a big unprecedented crackdown towards Roma ('gypsies' - all of whom will be fingerprinted and photographed and camps are being demolished) and illegal immigrants, and the President of the lower house of the Parliament is a 'post-Fascist.'

7. Russia is of course bordering on fascism and there is a growing current of xenophobia, racism, and of course agressive nationalism all of which is incredible due to its past and suffering caused to it by fascist Germany.

8. In Denmark the right wing Liberals are in power and when the Social Democrats lost to them in 2001 it was the first time since World War 2 the Social Democrats weren't the most popular party in the country.

9. I can't make sense of the Netherlands' politics but I read the center-right Christian Democratic Appeal party is currently the largest party.

10. Switzerland's strongest party is the growing right wing nationalistic SVP party, which although historically representing farmers, dramatically changed in character in the 1990s to what it is now and subsequently became the most popular. It made headlines last year for it's election campaign poster depicting white sheep kicking a black sheep out of the country with the words "Bringing Safety" on it.

11. In Canada conservatives recently took over.

12. America's 'Neo Cons' and right wing policies of the last 8 years have been talked about to death. Despite massive historic unpopularity of the current administration, the party's successor is tied with the opposition for the coming election.

At least two exceptions are Australia and New Zealand which are doing their own opposite thing currently.

I didn't systematically go through every country and cherry pick, these are all I've read about and are major ones. Is this trend here to stay and why is it not being talked about?

mrbaracuda
7th September 2008, 11:06 AM
Go and compare the former and current left parties' policies and you might find out why.
I see a lot of European states in here and a driving force might be energy politics.

andyandy
7th September 2008, 11:20 AM
The only region I can think which seems to be bucking the trend is South America, which with countries like Bolivia and Venezuela seems to be embracing left wing nationalism.

With regards to the UK, it is interesting to note that the Labour Party are probably as right wing as the Tories at the moment. We have no left of centre party at all (beyond the fringe). Labour are hugely authoritarian in terms of data collection and population monitoring, in terms of tabling laws to detain people without charge for 42 days, and they have even resorted to playing the race card ("we want all foreigners to carry ID cards, and the Conservatives disagree") at the local by-elections.

There's no doubt that that the "war on terror" has allowed Labour to push through a lot of legislation that would otherwise have faced much stronger opposition, and has allowed the government to preside over a significant erosion of civil liberties in the name of national security.

RandFan
7th September 2008, 11:34 AM
There's no doubt that that the "war on terror" has allowed Labour to push through a lot of legislation that would otherwise have faced much stronger opposition, and has allowed the government to preside over a significant erosion of civil liberties in the name of national security. This is likely out of left field and incomprehensible to most (my apologies if I'm patronizing) but I think one can reconcile Rand and Marx (add Maslow).

Human dynamics are very complex and subject to the butterfly effect. Because we are humans we tend to see things on a continuum between left and right but that is really not accurate. We should think of it more as a scatter graph.

That said, They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. The corollary of course is that those who would give up some of their hot dog for condiments deserve neither. :)

Ok the post is scatter brained but there is a point.

Physiological
Safety
Love/Belonging
Esteem
Self-Actualization
Those who sincerely fear for safety can be blind to things like liberty from governmental oppression.

Bikewer
8th September 2008, 03:43 PM
It sells. When times are unstable, then people are pretty susceptible to manipulation along the lines of Nationalism, "security", and so forth.

It's easy to sell folks on the idea that their problems are caused by "those people".

lionking
8th September 2008, 04:06 PM
A slight quibble. The Labor party in Australia is at the moment miles from it's historical leftist philosophies. By any measure, it is right of what has been the traditional centre. This in fact supports the OP. The "centre" has moved to the right.

Tumblehome
8th September 2008, 10:26 PM
The fear generated by 9/11 might have added fuel to the fire, but I think the right-leaning trend goes back to the fall of the Soviet Union. In capitalist circles, that translated as "We are right", and gave a religious-like resurgence to capitalism. And the purer and freer the capitalism, the better it was supposed to be.

Kotatsu
9th September 2008, 08:07 AM
2. In Sweden, after being led by the Social Democrats for 65 of the last 74 years the most right wing mainstream party won in 2006.

To some extent, at least, this was due to the leader of the Social Democrats, Göran Persson. As I remember it, Persson declared he was going to resign as party leader after the results of the elections were in, and in polls taken since, the Social Democrats have almost invariably been the leading party again here (1). I think that the Social Democrats, the Left, and the Environmentalists --- the three parties that are now in opposition, but usually support each other --- have more than 50% of the votes together in recent polls, and as far as I can remember, that has been the case for long periods since the Right won.

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(1) Note that this statement may very well be coloured by confirmation bias and/or flawed memory.

dudalb
9th September 2008, 12:04 PM
Maybe people are realising that the idea that Goverment can solve all your problems is wrong?

Beerina
9th September 2008, 01:39 PM
...but that it can exacerbate problems easily enough. Or and create new ones.

With that as our operative theory, it's no wonder people get disgusted with the current round of politics, whatever it is, and switch to something new.


Let's just hope there's always another nation out there to compare our failure to thrive against. How well would China be doing right now without a US and West to compare itself to? Don't think progress can stagnate for a thousand years? Pick up a history book.

Darth Rotor
9th September 2008, 07:49 PM
There is a global convergence of governments across the world strongly and sharply towards the right, often accompanied by faint but increasing shades of radicalism.
You assert without proof. Sorry, you lose.
I don't believe any one reason could account for this. So what's happening?
Go look at a grandfather clock. Notice a pendulum swinging. It is a decent analogy for the left to right, and right to left, swing in political sentiment in a given society. To extrapolate that globally is a reach. Given the comparative liberalization in China over the past twenty years, an immense reach.

DR

Cain
9th September 2008, 08:26 PM
Which journal do you plan to publish in? You have 12 data points to demonstrate a "global convergence"? This would be like looking at all of the measures in the last ten years to restrict marriage between a man and a woman and say, "see, people are becoming more bigoted, finally taking action." These appeals work (in the short term) because the general trend is looming, accepted as almost natural.

Nation-states are receding while globalization is ascendant. European Union, anyone?

latent aaaack
29th September 2008, 08:07 PM
Austria just lurched to the far right. To preempt, I'm not saying Austria is about to become a dictatorship and that doom is imminent but for some historical context the Nazi party at its peak won 37% of the vote while at other times getting about a third of the vote.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jpPSh_wJf1e3YfDhp9aDPWfk8NUQD93GI40O1


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Two rightist parties — the Freedom Party and the Alliance for the Future of Austria — won a combined 29 percent in Sunday's balloting. Both parties advocate an end to immigration and the expulsion of foreigners and asylum seekers who commit crimes.

In contrast, the People's Party and the Social Democrats had their worst showings since World War II.
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Preliminary results show the Social Democrats won 29.71 percent of the vote, followed by the People's Party with 25.61 percent. The Freedom Party received 18.01 percent of the vote while the Alliance for the Future of Austria had 10.98 percent.http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/30/austria



Austria in crisis as far right win 29% of vote

He has been filmed in forests, carrying arms and wearing paramilitary fatigues in the company of banned German neo-Nazis. Islam, he says, is "the fascism of the 21st century". He was photographed apparently giving a three-fingered neo-Nazi salute - though he says he was ordering three beers.


He mocks gay people; wants a ministry for the deportation of immigrants; says "Vienna must not become Istanbul"; hopes to repeal laws banning Nazi revivalism, and is pushing for a constitutional ban on the building of minarets. Heinz-Christian Strache, a former dental technician, is the new star of Austrian politics and the new poster boy of Europe's extreme right.

"I was never a neo-Nazi, and never will be," Strache has insisted. But when he sued the Vienna news weekly Profil for defamation, the court ruled that Strache could fairly be said to display "an affinity to national-socialist thinking".

Polaris
29th September 2008, 08:17 PM
Must be time for another world war I reckon.

latent aaaack
29th September 2008, 08:25 PM
Which journal do you plan to publish in? You have 12 data points to demonstrate a "global convergence"? This would be like looking at all of the measures in the last ten years to restrict marriage between a man and a woman and say, "see, people are becoming more bigoted, finally taking action." These appeals work (in the short term) because the general trend is looming, accepted as almost natural.

Nation-states are receding while globalization is ascendant. European Union, anyone?

You're discounting a trend that includes most or all of the entire western world because that's not enough countries and that's not a logical grouping of countries to make? Where's the term "the west" come from then? Besides even China is moving it's economy towards being more capitalist while still being authoritarian.

Your analogy would fit the situation if the gay rights movement halted or declined in supporters and then successful proposals, not failed proposals against the trend, were made at the national level to not only ensure no more progress is made with gay marriage, but to start taking away gay rights in general. That's closer to what's happening to the left in many, many countries at least at this moment.

AWPrime
1st October 2008, 03:10 PM
After WW2 Europe had a massive guilt trip. This generally allowed the left to set the stage for many years. In this period even being center or slightly right had massive consequences not limited to being called a Nazi.

And now its slowly swinging back, hopefully we can stop in the center.

Darth Rotor
1st October 2008, 05:38 PM
After WW2 Europe had a massive guilt trip. This generally allowed the left to set the stage for many years. In this period even being center or slightly right had massive consequences not limited to being called a Nazi.

And now its slowly swinging back, hopefully we can stop in the center.
Ah, the quest for the Golden Middle. :cool:

dudalb
1st October 2008, 05:49 PM
Ah, the quest for the Golden Middle. :cool:


The eternal quest.
I don't know if it will ever be found, but I think it does help to keep the wackjobs on the extreme ends of the spectrum in line.