In Memory of the Fallen

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I will not be posting to this forum from 2359 hrs on September 10th, 2008 to 0001 hrs on September 12th 2008, New York/Washington time.

I call on all debunkers to do the same.

[NYCEMT86]

Though I barely post in this sub-forum anymore, I agree with Sword. Why spend one of the worlds most tragic days debating with the most tragic excuses of life?

[Redtail]

Agreed.

[jhunter1163]

Agreed as well.

[Jontg]

Agreed.

[AJM8125]

Student debunker, but OK, I agree.

[Jontg]

I think most of us count as student debunkers, really.

[lee5]

+1

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I think most of us count as student debunkers, really.


Aye, 'tis true.

We are but the beneficiaries of those who have gone before.

[gumboot]

I post here so rarely now that it would probably be more significant were I to actually make the effort of posting on that day.

As it is my girlfriend has that day off work so I will be spending it with her anyway, with not an internet forum in sight.

[orphia nay]

I agree as well.

23:59:00 Wednesday September 10, 2008 in America/New_York converts to
13:59:00 Thursday September 11, 2008 in Australia/Melbourne

http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc

I will not post in this sub-forum from Wednesday night until 2pm Friday, my time.

[eromitlab]

I think most of us count as student debunkers, really.

Agreed. On that count, and on not posting in this sub-forum this Thursday.

[T.A.M.]

Yes, we did the same (many of us) last year. I am in.

TAM:)

[MG1962]

Although I dont post there these days, I think it is a brillant and very meaningful gesture. Very well suggested

[RedIbis]

I will not be posting to this forum from 2359 hrs on September 10th, 2008 to 0001 hrs on September 12th 2008, New York/Washington time.

I call on all debunkers to do the same.

Why only debunkers? There are those of us who would just call ourselves researchers who will not be posting that day either.

[Quad4_72]

Why only debunkers? There are those of us who would just call ourselves researchers who will not be posting that day either.

Red actually we have something special for you. Don't post for a full 7 years in memory of the fallen. That will make up for 7 years of spitting on their graves. That goes for all twoofers.

[RedIbis]

Red actually we have something special for you. Don't post for a full 7 years in memory of the fallen. That will make up for 7 years of spitting on their graves. That goes for all twoofers.

I'm sure that would make your life easier, but it's not going to happen. I'm not one of these posters who backs away from the debate, or claims victory when there's an enormous amount of questions left unanswered.

[Pardalis]

I'm not one of these posters who backs away from the debate, or claims victory when there's an enormous amount of questions left unanswered.

:faint:

[Dave Rogers]

Why only debunkers? There are those of us who would just call ourselves researchers who will not be posting that day either.

I'm glad to hear it, and applaud your participation in this gesture of respect.

Dave

[JihadJane]

I will not be posting to this forum from 2359 hrs on September 10th, 2008 to 0001 hrs on September 12th 2008, New York/Washington time.

I call on all debunkers to do the same.

I call on the USA to end its 911 wars immediately, for ever.

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[matty.the.damned]

Actually I don't see the point of stopping discussion of these many and various issues on the date of September 11.

I doubt that it makes a difference to the 3,000 worker bees who were rubbed out in a greasy plume of av-gas on that day. As for their families and loved ones, well they're always gonna remember it whether or not the hair-pulling goes on here at JREF or not.

MtD

[applecorped]

Actually I don't see the point of stopping discussion of these many and various issues on the date of September 11.



It's called a gesture of respect.

I'm in.

[matty.the.damned]

Respect is for the weak.

MtD

[applecorped]

Respect is for the weak.

MtD

Well, you must be very strong then.

[Quad4_72]

I call on the USA to end its 911 wars immediately, for ever.

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That has nothing to do with the thread...but for the record, I for one will never stop fighting until the perpetrators of 9/11 (Al queda) are brought to justice. Its sad how some people forget.

[matty.the.damned]

Well, you must be very strong then.

Apparently so.

MtD

[The Doc]

As a gesture of respect, I too will not be posting in this subforum or any 9/11 related internet forum on the 11th of September.

[T.A.M.]

MtD:

bye bye

TAM:)

[matty.the.damned]

MtD:

bye bye

TAM:)

Cheerio! :D

MtD

[Jonnyclueless]

I don't see how posting or not posting shows any respect or disrespect.

[RedIbis]

I don't see how posting or not posting shows any respect or disrespect.

Regardless of how you think the attacks occured, thousands of people lost their lives that day. We spend a lot of time during the year arguing, attacking each other, and sometimes lose sight of this fact.

Regardless of how you think the attacks occurred, 9/11 was the impetus of a two fronted war without end in which hundreds of thousands of people lost their lives.

One day of not bickering isn't that much to ask.

[Drudgewire]

I like this idea. Count me in.

[Pardalis]

Regardless of how you think the attacks occured, thousands of people lost their lives that day.

People who's very DNA you deny... :rolleyes:

[matty.the.damned]

Regardless of how you think the attacks occured, thousands of people lost their lives that day. We spend a lot of time during the year arguing, attacking each other, and sometimes lose sight of this fact.

Regardless of how you think the attacks occurred, 9/11 was the impetus of a two fronted war without end in which hundreds of thousands of people lost their lives.

One day of not bickering isn't that much to ask.

And their deaths are made all the more solemn because you stop foaming at the mouth for 24 hours?

MtD

[applecorped]

I think I will take my daughters to the newly opened 9/11 memorial near Logan Airport on thursday.

Taking one day off from posting here won't solve or change anything. Sometimes a gesture is just that, a gesture; but relfection is a powerful thing. Give it try, or not.

I am.

[Confuseling]

I'm in. And I'll even up the stakes - without meaning to start an argument.

I think maybe it would honour the dead to put things in perspective for a bit, and try to see things from the other side. I'm not asking anyone to forswear any strongly held beliefs, but I think we all accept that sometimes this place degenerates into name-calling and hysteria. Might do us some good to remember, if only for a moment, that there are those on the other side of this debate who are there for their own legitimate reasons, however ill-conceived they may appear to us.

Call that a meaningless platitude if you like. But these events happened in the first place because of humanity's propensity to dehumanise one another; and some very wise people have noted once or twice that a momentary pause for empathy can make a big difference. I hope they're right, and am willing to suspend disbelief on the off-chance that they are.

[/sentimentalism.]

[Quad4_72]

I'm in. And I'll even up the stakes - without meaning to start an argument.

I think maybe it would honour the dead to put things in perspective for a bit, and try to see things from the other side. I'm not asking anyone to forswear any strongly held beliefs, but I think we all accept that sometimes this place degenerates into name-calling and hysteria. Might do us some good to remember, if only for a moment, that there are those on the other side of this debate who are there for their own legitimate reasons, however ill-conceived they may appear to us.

Call that a meaningless platitude if you like. But these events happened in the first place because of humanity's propensity to dehumanise one another; and some very wise people have noted once or twice that a momentary pause for empathy can make a big difference. I hope they're right, and am willing to suspend disbelief on the off-chance that they are.

[/sentimentalism.]

Nah. I prefer to stay on the side of reality, not fantasy. We aren't talking about political issues here (Such as abortion, gay marriage, gun control, etc.) where they are matters of opinion. We are talking about a historical event in which twoofers are attempting to skew for personal gain. They blame innocent people for the murders of thousands and move focus away from the real perpetrators.

[Jonnyclueless]

Regardless of how you think the attacks occured, thousands of people lost their lives that day. We spend a lot of time during the year arguing, attacking each other, and sometimes lose sight of this fact.

Regardless of how you think the attacks occurred, 9/11 was the impetus of a two fronted war without end in which hundreds of thousands of people lost their lives.

One day of not bickering isn't that much to ask.

While anyone can understand a day of not spitting in the faces of the dead by making up these nonsense conspiracy theories is understandable, simply discussing the event on the anniversary of the event is pretty much how we honor such things, not ignoring it. On the anniversary of Pearl Harbor, we don't say "let's just ignore and not discuss Pearl harbor". On the 4th of July, we (in the states) don't say "Let's not talk about the independence of our nation".

It's not the discussion of the events that is an insult, if anything that IS honoring them. it's the making up fictional stories about the events to use their deaths for our own personal gain that is dishonorable.

The rest of the world will be spending the day focusing on discussing the events of 9/11 to show their respect, not ignoring them.

[T.A.M.]

I don't see how posting or not posting shows any respect or disrespect.

I think it is similar to a "moment of silence". That type of thing. Perhaps others will have other ways of showing their respect and sympathy.

I do not think people are suggesting you are disrespectful if you don't. Sometimes it is all about the tone with which you present things, if you know what I mean (re: by putting MtD on my ignore list).

I think it is a personal choice.

TAM:)

[T.A.M.]

While anyone can understand a day of not spitting in the faces of the dead by making up these nonsense conspiracy theories is understandable, simply discussing the event on the anniversary of the event is pretty much how we honor such things, not ignoring it. On the anniversary of Pearl Harbor, we don't say "let's just ignore and not discuss Pearl harbor". On the 4th of July, we (in the states) don't say "Let's not talk about the independence of our nation".

It's not the discussion of the events that is an insult, if anything that IS honoring them. it's the making up fictional stories about the events to use their deaths for our own personal gain that is dishonorable.

The rest of the world will be spending the day focusing on discussing the events of 9/11 to show their respect, not ignoring them.

As others have said, it is a gesture, not unlike a moment of silence. You personally may have other ways of showing such...each to their own.

I also agree that simply DISCUSSING the events, and even the CTs, is not disrespectful. However, remember how often such things turn into name calling, taunting, etc....

TAM:)

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Why only debunkers? There are those of us who would just call ourselves researchers who will not be posting that day either.

Because 9/11 is the day when truthers are at their worst. On thursday, Alex Jones and every truther who can afford to travel farther than the corner liquor store will be in New York chanting, screaming and yelling, doing everything they can to draw attention away from ceremonies of rememberance and mourning and putting it onto themselves.

9/11 or truthers isn't about solemn reflection, it's about gratuitous self-aggrandization.

I do applaud your choice to join us in rememberance, Redibis.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

As others have said, it is a gesture, not unlike a moment of silence. You personally may have other ways of showing such...each to their own.

I also agree that simply DISCUSSING the events, and even the CTs, is not disrespectful. However, remember how often such things turn into name calling, taunting, etc....

TAM:)

TAM hits the nail on the head. Despite the noble intentions of some, this and other debunking sites are not places of reverence, they are battlegrounds. Battles which are worth fighting, but are not conducive to the kind of pause and reflection that we should have on that day of all days.

Let the guns fall silent for a day.

[JihadJane]

I will not be posting to this forum from 2359 hrs on September 10th, 2008 to 0001 hrs on September 12th 2008, New York/Washington time.

I call on all debunkers to do the same.

This call appears to be exploiting the line of argument that claims that questioning the truth of the government's account is somehow disrespectful to the dead.

Sword_Of_Twoof is leading a saintly advanced raiding party to claim 911 grief as the property of debunkers only. Plenty of the dead would likely have questioned the government's account just as their surviving family members have done.

I hope Sword_Of_Twoof's gesture has nothing in common with the behaviour of politicians who use the dead to score political points.

[CptColumbo]

I need a break from this anyway.

[applecorped]

This call appears to be exploiting the line of argument that claims that questioning the truth of the government's account is somehow disrespectful to the dead.

Sword_Of_Twoof is leading a saintly advanced raiding party to claim 911 grief as the property of debunkers only. Plenty of the dead would likely have questioned the government's account just as their surviving family members have done.

I hope Sword_Of_Twoof's gesture has nothing in common with the behaviour of politicians who use the dead to score political points.

I invite every member of the JREF community in a day long moment of silence and a refrain from posting in this forum on Thursday, September 11th, to honor those who died on 9/11/01. No politics, no ulterior motives, no exploitation. This is completely voluntary with no suggestion of anger or offense directed towards those who still choose to post on that day.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

This call appears to be exploiting the line of argument that claims that questioning the truth of the government's account is somehow disrespectful to the dead.

All your questions have been answered here or on various debunking sites.

Sword_Of_Twoof is leading a saintly advanced raiding party to claim 911 grief as the property of debunkers only.

I've said no such thing.

Plenty of the dead would likely have questioned the government's account just as their surviving family members have done.

Which is why several people listed on the "Patriots question" site actually are dead?

I hope Sword_Of_Twoof's gesture has nothing in common with the behaviour of politicians who use the dead to score political points.

As a matter of fact, I got the idea for this from the McCain and Obama campaigns agreement to a joint appearance at Ground Zero and a general truce on political sniping for that day. Hence my call for debunkers to put the argument aside for a day.

[RedIbis]

9/11 or truthers isn't about solemn reflection, it's about gratuitous self-aggrandization.

I do applaud your choice to join us in rememberance, Redibis.

Unfortunately, the same can be said of politicians who politicized 9/11 and used it to promote foreign policy objectives.

My decision to avoid any debate on 9/11 was made a few years ago, and I always stuck to it. It's a vast tragedy any way you look at it and it deserves nothing but silent respect.

[dudalb]

I hope Sword_Of_Twoof's gesture has nothing in common with the behaviour of politicians who use the dead to score political points.


The Truth movement tries despertaly to use the dead of 9/11 to advance their screwy theories, so for a Truther to say this is really funny. Granted, the Truthers are incredibly inept at exploiting the dead, but it is not for lack of trying.....
As to your request to just give up the battle against Al Quida and the forces of Extreme Islamic Fundmentalism: No Freaking Way.

[dudalb]

I will not post on the 9/11 page this year.
But on 9/12 we will fully discuss the latest bunch of idiocies you know the Truthers will commit on 9/11.

[beachnut]

..argument that claims that questioning the truth of the government's account is somehow disrespectful to the dead.
If you have no evidence and make up lies, you have total disrespect for those who died. You have no evidence you make up stuff due to your politics. So sad you can't get this right.

[PhantomWolf]

How about we leave the bickering out of this thread?

[A W Smith]

I doubt I will be posting on the eleventh simply because we will be burying my mom that day. She passed quietly in her sleep Saturday evening.

[AJM8125]

I doubt I will be posting on the eleventh simply because we will be burying my mom that day. She passed quietly in her sleep Saturday evening.

With my utmost sympathy. May she rest in peace.

[PhantomWolf]

I doubt I will be posting on the eleventh simply because we will be burying my mom that day. She passed quietly in her sleep Saturday evening.

I'm sorry to hear that A W, best wishes for you and your family in what must be a hard time.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I doubt I will be posting on the eleventh simply because we will be burying my mom that day. She passed quietly in her sleep Saturday evening.

I am sorry for your loss, AW Smith. :(

[dudalb]

If you have no evidence and make up lies, you have total disrespect for those who died. You have no evidence you make up stuff due to your politics. So sad you can't get this right.

I believe this is called "Political Insight is more important to understanding 9/11 then Scientific insight".

[JihadJane]

If you have no evidence and make up lies, you have total disrespect for those who died. You have no evidence you make up stuff due to your politics. So sad you can't get this right.

"9/11 Family Members and First Responders Representative to Join 911Truth.org Conference Call 4 September 2008":

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20080904154348503

[jhunter1163]

My condolences on your loss, AWS.

[JihadJane]

I believe this is called "Political Insight is more important to understanding 9/11 then Scientific insight".

In the spirit of reconciliation I'd like thank dudalb for devotedly publicising my valuable insights at every opportunity.

[DC]

I doubt I will be posting on the eleventh simply because we will be burying my mom that day. She passed quietly in her sleep Saturday evening.

sorry for your loss.
Herzliches Beileid.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Jihadjane, could you consider taking whatever points you wish to make to a new thread please?

[Caustic Logic]

I'm in too for silence on Thursday. Let those who chose to post then take note of the silence that greets them, and maybe reflect. Maybe not. Why waste a good chance to graffiti the place up unopposed?

Condolences on your loss, Mr. Smith.

[beachnut]

"9/11 Family Members and First Responders Representative to Join 911Truth.org Conference Call 4 September 2008":

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20080904154348503
You can't list evidence to support the ideas of 9/11 truth.
9/11 truth makes up false ideas about 9/11 and misleads people.

This is disrespectful.
Loved ones of those who died say so! You hurt those who lost loved ones on 9/11 when they see your lies. Lies based on hearsay and opinions.

Relax, you do what you want to, it is your right to spread the lies of 9/11 truth. Freedom to make up false ideas about 9/11. Anything you want. Your movement lacks evidence, and act like apologist for the terrorists. Free to spread false information and disrespect those who died on 9/11.

To prove me wrong present some hard evidenced to support your 9/11 truth ideas.

You can't.

To honor those on 9/11, it would be neat if 9/11 truth would look for evidence before making up lies.

[JihadJane]

Jihadjane, could you consider taking whatever points you wish to make to a new thread please?

Sword_Of_Truth, you have chosen to use this memorial call as an excuse to indulge in anti-"Truther" rhetoric (see post #41). You should expect responses.

Do not change member names as a form of insult

[JihadJane]

]This is disrespectful. Loved ones of those who died say so!

I'll take your word for it though I have never seen a public statement to this effect. Many loved ones of those who died also say the opposite, as evidenced by the article I linked to.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Jihadjane, subtle didn't work so now I'm being blunt.

I am not taking up this topic with you in this thread.

[JihadJane]

Jihadjane, subtle didn't work so now I'm being blunt.

I am not taking up this topic with you in this thread.

Do not change member names as a form of insult

It is up to you whether you wish to discuss a topic which you yourself introduced to this thread at the very beginning of it. I am certainly not asking you to.

I accept applecorped's respectful invitation (post #45).

[applecorped]

I doubt I will be posting on the eleventh simply because we will be burying my mom that day. She passed quietly in her sleep Saturday evening.

Your mother is always with you...She's the whisper of the leaves
as you walk down the street. She's the smell of bleach in
your freshly laundered socks. She's the cool hand on your
brow when you're not well. Your mother lives inside
your laughter. She's crystallized
in every tear drop... She's the place you came from,
your first home.. She's the map you
follow with every step that you take. She's your first love and your first heart
break....and nothing on earth can separate you. Not time, Not space...
Not even death....
will ever separate you
from your mother.... You carry her inside of you....

[chillzero]

How about we leave the bickering out of this thread?

I completely agree.

Please stop the bickering and insults in this thread. If you do not agree with the OP, you don't have to post in the thread.

[applecorped]

I will not be posting to this forum from 2359 hrs on September 10th, 2008 to 0001 hrs on September 12th 2008, New York/Washington time.

I call on all debunkers to do the same.

All JREF members.

[HyJinX]

agreed.

[applecorped]

bump

[Myriad]

Agreed.

If I have any non-CT-related thoughts to express about the attacks or their anniversary, I'll post them in Current Events.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[applecorped]

Agreed.

If I have any non-CT-related thoughts to express about the attacks or their anniversary, I'll post them in Current Events.

Respectfully,
Myriad

ditto

[applecorped]

I will not be posting to this forum from 2359 hrs on September 10th, 2008 to 0001 hrs on September 12th 2008, New York/Washington time.

I call on all debunkers to do the same.

A little over 4 hours to go.

[applecorped]

I will not be posting to this forum from 2359 hrs on September 10th, 2008 to 0001 hrs on September 12th 2008, New York/Washington time.

I call on all debunkers to do the same.

Just about two hours to go. Remember those who died and if you choose to post here do it with them in mind. Twenty four hours is not a lot to ask.

[beachnut]

Flight 93 passengers took action first, the first to figure out 9/11.

9/11 truth, the last to figure out 9/11.

...

[jaydeehess]

I'm in.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

See you all on friday.

May they rest in peace.

[AJM8125]

Should I not post anything after 2100 hours (I'm in California) or may I post up until 2359 pacific time? I wanna play by the rules.

[CHF]

Count me in as well.

Have a good 9/11/08, fellow JREFers.

May you all enjoy your day free of idiots in creepy black t-shirts shouting annoying slogans from bullhorns.

[HyJinX]

Less than two hours here in Wisconsin. We miss our fallen. Our brave. Our heroes.

Nothing changes evidence and science. Politics plays no part in my beliefs.

Tomorrow will be a sad day...especially to those who lost loved ones at the hands of cowardly radicals. My thoughts and prayers are with those souls and the souls of those we lost.

Peace to all.

[LashL]

Count me in as well.

[DavidJames]

Using EDT, I'm off until tomorrow night.

[matty.the.damned]

Matty the Damned observed a moment of silence today. Funnily enuff, no one came back to say thank you.

Happy 9/11 Y'all! :)

MtD

[1337m4n]

Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

[Grizzly Bear]

Just as I did at the University earlier today I'll offer my heartfelt condolences. May we never forget....

[gumboot]

9/11 (or 11/9) was yesterday down this way. It was a pretty cruddy day, miserable rain and wind.

That day in Fall the sky was clear
Of cloudy hurt and stormy strife.
A day of peace unscathed by fear
But teeming full with blissful life.
Yet on that quiet, noteless date
The world we knew became no more.
Turned upside down by blind hot hate;
From life to death; from peace to war.

Fierce eyes gazed out past oceans wide;
Blades poised to strike with but a word.
Yet blind they were to threats inside,
And here within the danger stirred.
In skies of aching endless blue
As souls traversed from place to place
The gutless foe his weapons drew
And showed to all true hatred’s face.

That day in Fall flight one-one fell
Out of the sky towards the ground.
Seven and eighty souls in her shell
As fierce eyes slowly turned around.
Too slow they turned, those ancient eyes,
So long forgot and put aside.
Their daggers stripped by leaders “wise”;
Yet now the land for daggers cried.

Too late they came, though hard they tried
Too late the shout; too late the call.
In fire and roar the silence died;
The flight plunged through a castle tall.
Flame, death and heat through office swept;
The flight unleashed its deadly load.
While most gazed on and others slept
Towards the smoke brave heroes rode.

With siren’s wail and lights they came
As steel and glass and victims fell.
Without applause and with no fame
They stepped within the maw of hell.
With heavy load they climbed the stair
With blade of water, shield of foam.
They climbed, those knights, in spite fear.
So many climbed; so few came home.

Above the street on floors alight
The fate of hundreds, cruel was cast.
No words or thoughts describe the plight
Of those that up there lived their last.
‘Twas they; the trapped, the damned, the lost
That felt the sting of senseless rage.
‘Twas they that paid the utter cost;
‘Twas they within that buckling cage.

That day in Fall had just begun;
One seven five, the next to die.
A clever web the foe had spun
As chaos swept across the sky.
Sixty souls within this tomb
As devils drove it screaming in.
Then buildings through the windows loom;
Ahead approached the castle’s twin.

In shock we watched around the world
On TV set of every size.
The tower burned, the smoke unfurled,
Watched live by half a billion eyes.
The second flight, in tower’s shade,
On jagged evil black-swept wing
With dark intent, of evil made,
It struck the burning castle’s twin.

Oh nine oh three, the clocks they read
As here at last the truth we saw;
‘Deliberate act,’ the word was spread,
No accident, but act of war.
A second hell through office seethed
Through crowded streets the impact barked.
A world was shocked, a nation heaved,
In that moment immortal marked.

That day in Fall, as side by side
The shattered towers fiercely burned.
In loved ones’ arms we wept and cried,
To strangers met in fear we turned.
Our woes forgot, our cares disposed,
Our very values redefined.
Our common ground, by fire exposed;
We watched as one; as humankind.

But far above in haunted soar
The fate of many lay in doubt.
The hijackers had struck once more;
Flight seven seven turned about.
Eastward over meadows green,
Fifty nine souls held in her breast,
The third flight taken flew unseen,
By eyes that frantic searched the west.

Four daggers streaked along the coast
But sought a flight that no more flew.
Four blades on wing, but chased a ghost
As closer seven seven drew.
Too little time they had that day,
Though in the air four blades now burned;
The hunter seeking out its prey,
Towards a five-side fortress turned.

At last, at last, the eyes they found
The sudden threat and closely traced.
The word was quickly spread around
And daggers hungry northward raced.
Too little time they had that day
And once again too late they saw.
While still at distance daggers lay
Death slammed into the throne of war.

Ten dozen souls and five there died
Within their office razed by ill.
Survivors marched up side by side
To save their comrades living still.
The blades above, their anger grew
And now at last their chance did show;
For farther east beyond the blue
The foe had struck their final blow.

The final flight, its cards were played;
Flight ninety three soared on the wing.
All forty souls inside afraid,
As mobile phone began to ring.
From loved ones now the tale they heard
Of sorrow, sin, and waste and war.
And lying clear beneath each word
Their certain death that lay in store.

That day with certain death abounds
That Day in Fall as towers sear.
As trussing sags, as column bows
The fire fighters climbed the stair.
As pillar groans, as floorboard whines
Still up and up those heroes huffed.
Then thunder like the end of times
Dragged down a tower wreathed in dust.

A princely twin in roar is slain
His carcass torn and cast about.
His skin all broken falls like rain
While far away his fall is felt.
These giants paired that claimed our awe
Their skyline rule begins to wane.
Eternal castles, twins no more;
For only one of them remains.

The daggers ready circle high
Alert as ninety three draws in.
Before them duties solemn lie
For this time evil shall not win.
A bitter ending to the fight
For either way too great the dead.
But meanwhile on the dooméd flight
“Let’s roll,” the word is softly said.

They came in strangers, each unknown
Their own concerns, own lives to run.
But to one fate they all were thrown
Defiant, free, they rose as one.
These heroes knew the cards they played
They knew the odds against them rose.
Yet still they acted, unafraid
They knew the choice and bravely chose.

Their captors unprepared were caught
The demons threw the craft around.
Heroes on knees onwards they fought
And forced the flight into the ground.
Though daggers waited, no threat came,
That duty lifted from their head.
Knowing that waited only flame
Dead heroes acted in their stead.

And then the final prince in strife
Like his brother collapsed as well.
With loss of hope and loss of life
The second castle earthwards fell.
The streets below were wreathed in white
A dozen smaller castles rent.
The smoke and dust shut out the light
The towers’ reign came to an end.

Nineteen devils with hearts of coal
A legacy of chaos made
Two near three thousand souls the toll
And cost of stone in billions paid.
The day wears on and tears are shed
As broken souls, they inward cave.
The living culled by unknown dead
Buried down deep without a grave.

Choked in the dust, a country kneels
Broken, drowning in ashen fume.
Trying to rise the county reels
Yet helping hands through the smoke loom.
In bold defiance stand the free
Rank on rank, the world is shown.
Friend nation great, across the sea
You stand up hurt, but not alone.

A world as one stood free, stood tall
As sun set on that day in Fall.

[JoeyDonuts]

Salute. For the Fallen. Always.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

It's back on!

We got a 24 hour backlog of stupid to clear though. Let's get to work. ;)

[orphia nay]

And in those 24 hours I saw no mention of 9/11 conspiracy theories on TV, in the paper, or in the news on the web, except for buried twoof on Digg.com. (I didn't view this sub-forum, either.) Ah, bliss. :D

[jaydeehess]

You weren't looking hard enough, or at least you weren't in Canada. There was one program comparing the conspiracy theories to what really happened. Sorry I don't know the date or station. I believe that it was the CBC.

[A W Smith]

And in those 24 hours I saw no mention of 9/11 conspiracy theories on TV, in the paper, or in the news on the web, except for buried twoof on Digg.com. (I didn't view this sub-forum, either.) Ah, bliss. :D

A total absence of any 911CT on any of the media yesterday that I could see. Watched news coverage of all the memorials and no Inside job placards in the background at all. Today we were looking at the work of an engraving artist in another graveyard for an updated portrait on my parents headstone. When I saw a 9/11 victims (my age even) headstone featuring an engraving of the twin towers. It occurred to me that I have found more local 9/11 victims grave sites than i have met real live 911 truthers.