This is September 11 2008

[Elind]

I thought I would visit here again just to see what was being said about this anniversary, which should not be forgotten nor ignored.

[Pardalis]

It's almost the 12th in our time zone though.

[quixotecoyote]

Just for the purposes of discussion, what benefits do you see from remembering and observing it?

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Giuliani has been out of the running for a while now...

[egslim]

Just for the purposes of discussion, what benefits do you see from remembering and observing it?
It's always terrible if you're hit by a disaster, but what really matters is how you respond. That's when you show what you're really made of.

Hence Pearl Harbour should be remembered and observed, since the US rose to the occasion and did a generally very good job of it. That set an example for future generations.

The US's response to the WTC attacks includes:
- An assault on civil liberties through the Patriot Act and other legislation.
- Finally rebuilding the WTC site, after a whole lot of mucking about, as Penn & Teller exposed in one of their shows a few years ago.
- Invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, turning both countries into a mess, and Islam extremists have simply moved to Pakistan.
- If anything, Muslim extremism is on the rise now.

So basically, it has been a costly mess. That's not an example to set for future generations, it's an embarassment. Get over it, clean up, and move on.

[mrbaracuda]

Hey Elind! :w2:

[Gurdur]

I thought I would visit here again just to see what was being said about this anniversary, which should not be forgotten nor ignored.


Uh huh. Make up your mind whether you're just visiting to see, or to say something.

[Elind]

Pity, nothing but moronic smartass comments from the usual useful idiots, not to mention the 110 viewers with nothing to say at all.

This forum, at least in politics, should merge with Daily Kos and stop pretending to be what it is not.

[mrbaracuda]

I take great offense, Elind! :mad:

[Lanzy]

[QUOTE=Elind;4030066]Pity, nothing but moronic smartass comments from the usual useful idiots, not to mention the 110 viewers with nothing to say at all.

QUOTE]

And YOU said what? That it should not be forgotten or ignored.

Its hard for me to personally forget as I am one that was in the Pentagon choking on the smoke and trying to find an exit that wasn't burning. But yesterday was easy to ignore by not turning on the TV and having not a few drinks.

[Gurdur]

Pity, nothing but moronic smartass comments from the usual useful idiots,


That's hardly a good way to speak of the OP! True, though, but hey, attacking your own OP like this is not terribly good.

not to mention the 110 viewers with nothing to say at all.


The endless whining.

This forum, at least in politics, should merge with Daily Kos and stop pretending to be what it is not.


More empty bitching. Did you have anything concrete to say? Anything?

[Nancarrow]

I thought I would visit here again just to see what was being said about this anniversary, which should not be forgotten nor ignored.

No, you thought you would post here again just to let the forum know what a principled, upstanding, moral person you are. And then, when people point this out to you, sneer at them.

Troll.

[Oliver]

I thought I would visit here again just to see what was being said about this anniversary, which should not be forgotten nor ignored.


There wasn't much fuss about the anniversary: McCain and Obama
gave their political correctness speeches, Bush whined about "teh
threats of teh world", some Truthers showed up at Ground Zero
and the Media still didn't point out the numbers of casualties or
reported about Iraqi refugees as a consequence of 9/11.

[gumboot]

Personally I think September 11 served as a warning to the West that we are not immortal, and that despite our seeming invulnerability we are still threatened by ideologies and entities that would like to destroy us, and could easily do so if we let our guard down.

As such it serves as a valuable reminder, and commemorating it serves an important purpose.

[The Fool]

Pity, nothing but moronic smartass comments from the usual useful idiots, not to mention the 110 viewers with nothing to say at all.

This forum, at least in politics, should merge with Daily Kos and stop pretending to be what it is not.
you use the anaversary of 911 as a tool for cheap trolling. Disgusting.

[kylaBC]

Personally, I can see the value of observing what happened that day, but enforcing a "moment of silence" upon others is just dumb.

On Sept. 11th, 2008, my high school had its normal morning announcements. At the end, our announcer asked us for a "moment of silence to remember the fallen". The people in my class were so busy ignoring the announcements and talking that it was only until the few people who had heard went "SHHH!" that people understood that we were having forced respect. A few people went "what's going on?" and earned some dirty glares.

Yes, I realize that New York was attacked and a lot of people died, and I also realize it is important not to forget our past (doomed to repeat it, and all that), but can we honestly pretend that high-schoolers care about something that happened 7 years ago on the other side of the country?

All I can see now is the first and second graders who had to have 9/11 explained to them 3 days ago after asking the teacher why the flags were halfway down the poles that day.

[fishbob]

Pity, nothing but moronic smartass comments from the usual useful idiots, not to mention the 110 viewers with nothing to say at all.

Just for you:
Darn those Iraqis for blowing up the World Trade Center.

Better now?

[The Fool]

I watched a brilliant documentary called 102 minutes that changed america. It is one of the best piece of documentary fiml-making I have ever seen. It reminded me of my reaction to the event which I watched live on TV. I simply thought "go get them" and my attitude hasn't changed. I would fully expect that the US would go all out to eliminate those responsible for this act and I would have no problems with how it was done. The only possible qualifier is that I would expect the targets to be the actual people involved.

[fishbob]

. . . . . I would fully expect that the US would go all out to eliminate those responsible for this act and I would have no problems with how it was done. The only possible qualifier is that I would expect the targets to be the actual people involved.

There is no pleasing some people. We blew all kinds of stuff, but no - just not good enough for you. I suppose you want a pony too?

[The Fool]

There is no pleasing some people. We blew all kinds of stuff, but no - just not good enough for you. I suppose you want a pony too?
No....I resent the suggestion.


I want a motorcycle.

[Gurdur]

No....I resent the suggestion.
I want a motorcycle.


Social climber.

[gumboot]

Personally, I can see the value of observing what happened that day, but enforcing a "moment of silence" upon others is just dumb.

On Sept. 11th, 2008, my high school had its normal morning announcements. At the end, our announcer asked us for a "moment of silence to remember the fallen". The people in my class were so busy ignoring the announcements and talking that it was only until the few people who had heard went "SHHH!" that people understood that we were having forced respect. A few people went "what's going on?" and earned some dirty glares.

Yes, I realize that New York was attacked and a lot of people died, and I also realize it is important not to forget our past (doomed to repeat it, and all that), but can we honestly pretend that high-schoolers care about something that happened 7 years ago on the other side of the country?

All I can see now is the first and second graders who had to have 9/11 explained to them 3 days ago after asking the teacher why the flags were halfway down the poles that day.


This is actually a good argument for increased awareness of 9/11. If you don't retain a present day awareness of the event - through things like memorial services - the upcoming generations will be oblivious of it.

For what it's worth the United Kingdom still observes a minute of silence in remembrance of World War One, 90 years after it happened.