Church of Englang apologises to Charles Darwin

[lionking]

www.theage.com.au/world/evolving-church-says-sorry-to-darwin-20080914-4g9e.html

Wonder what response this will get from the fundamentalists who are still nominally Church of England?

[Cainkane1]

Well maybe the American southern Baptists will apologise next. Yeah right.

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Fascinating.

~~ Paul

[paximperium]

Charles Darwin rises from the grave, accepts their apology and goes about eating some clergy brains.

[lionking]

Sorry about the typo in the title. And I used to look at typos like this and think "what an idiot".

[qayak]

Sorry about the typo in the title. And I used to look at typos like this and think "what an idiot".

I still do. :D

[SezMe]

I still do.
















'Jes kidding. :) Get a mod to fix it for you.

ETA: Damn you, qayak.

[devnull]

All that will happen is the COE will marginalise themselves from the rest of christianity.

[Achán hiNidráne]

Zombie Gallileo turns to Zombie Darwin and says....

"Don't feel bad, it took the Catholics 350 to admit I was right."

While we're on the topic guess who said this:

“The Church at the time of Galileo kept much more closely to reason than did Galileo himself, and she took into consideration the ethical and social consequences of Galileo's teaching too. Her verdict against Galileo was rational and just and the revision of this verdict can be justified only on the grounds of what is politically opportune.”

[triadboy]

I'm waiting for the Calvinists to apologise to Michael Servetus.

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

I'm waiting for the Calvinists to apologise to Michael Servetus.

Good luck; I've yet to meet a Calvinist who was willing to admit they're wrong about anything.

[qayak]

While we're on the topic guess who said this:

It was The Rat Pope quoting Paul Feyerabend.

[Silentknight]

Charles Darwin rises from the grave, accepts their apology and goes about eating some clergy brains.

Wouldn't he starve before long?

[Kopji]

The apology, written by the church's director of mission and public affairs, Malcolm Brown...

I'll go out on a limb here and post a time stamped prediction that this will either be retracted, ignored, revised into obfuscation, or Malcolm will be seeking new employment soon.

[lionking]

I'm not so sure. The C of E has been ordaining women, accepting gays etc. What it will do is increase the number of nominally C of E clergy who move away.

[Kopji]

Ok, from the actual Church of England website.
From the introduction to Brown's essay:

A new essay by the Revd Dr Malcolm Brown, Director of Mission and Public Affairs, gives a personal view of Darwin’s contribution to science, whilst warning of social misapplications of his theories.

http://www.cofe.anglican.org/news/pr6808.html

Boldface mine.
That's clearly introduced as a personal opinion and not church policy. So darn, I can't even make a prediction out of this, theage.com has already misrepresented what the essay actually was.

But even so, the essay concludes:

But the struggle for your reputation is not over yet, and the problem is not just your religious opponents but those who falsely claim you in support of their own interests. Good religion needs to work constructively with good science – and I dare to suggest that the opposite may be true as well.

This is not a new idea from the Church - that good science (for some reason) needs good religion. (I disagree, yawn)

This may sound cynical, but a large portion of readers are... RELIGIOUS!!! Non stories like this are good for business and make your content seem like it is serving the readers by keeping them informed on news that interests them. It's just that when you take the 'new' out of 'news', you sorta get
Sssssssss.

[lionking]

Look, you may be right, but my experience in bureaucracies is that essays like this from someone of high ranking are almost always given the okay by the hierarchy. The Age may have misrepresented this, but I believe that it is, at very least, a bit of kite flying to see what the reaction is.

[Darat]

This is from someone in the Church of England not the larger Anglican movement and the CofE is very much out of step with the larger Anglican community in its "liberal" leanings. The Anglican churches in the places like Africa tend to be increasingly fundamentalist.

[Achán hiNidráne]

It was The Rat Pope quoting Paul Feyerabend.

He shoots, he SCOOOOORES!

[Mojo]

All that will happen is the COE will marginalise themselves from the rest of christianity.


Maybe not all of it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_and_the_Roman_Catholic_Church).

[fuelair]

Where is Englang and why is it there?

[Nogbad]

About time too!

[Safe-Keeper]

Where is Englang and why is it there?Eng Lang, also known as Englong, Ing Long, 臺北市, and Spork, is off the coast of Penghui.

[Lothian]

Good religion needs to work constructively with good science – and I dare to suggest that the opposite may be true as well.
This is not a new idea from the Church - that good science (for some reason) needs good religion. (I disagree, yawn).Actually by the opposite I think they meant bad religion needs to work with bad science a clear reference to the I.D. movement.

[MarkCorrigan]

How odd....considering that Dr Rowan Williams, Arch-Bishop of Canterbury, already accepts evolution, and he generally speaking is pretty much in line with how the CoE thinks (and indeed, my CoE primary school was very much behind modern science, as far as I could tell) .

How strange. Maybe they aren't as decent as I thought?

[MarkCorrigan]

Double post.