CuriousAsCouldBe
23rd November 2011, 08:31 PM
Curious is obviously ignoring me. He actually loves me, but his manly ego just won't allow him to admit it...
Here is their photo originally posted on the LCF Website.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9344/tribbyc130ploton4.jpg
Now, what's wrong with it? It is an obvious and intentional manipulation designed to deceive the gullible.
The large overhead portion of the photograph is from a different camera position and angle than the smaller inset showing the smoke column and the C-130. The inset was taken at approximately 1:55 of the Tribby video... I do not know the source of the overhead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV4ja...eature=related
We can see they are from a different viewing positions because the smoke column was never North of the impact point at any time. The winds were northerly and the smoke column drifted South. Also, note the different angles of the oil/fuel tanks. They are different, vividly indicating a different camera position.
This proves that CIT is a fraud and are liars to support their deluded agenda...
An analysis was done of the Tribby Video here several months ago showing that the video verifies the 84th RADES data and totally refutes CIT's version of the ANC grave diggers statements that the C-130 arrived on the scene from the NW and departed to the NW. The C-130 arrived from the SW and departed to the NW just as the pilot said and that the radar returns show....
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=120994
Curious, you may tell Ranke and Waldo that they are FRAUDS and LIARS. (It might be easier to simply look into a mirror and whisper)
Please. The C-130's flight path was established by the pilot and eyewitnesses to not only the c-130 but also the attack plane over DC skies, east of the Potomac.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/C-130/northandwest.jpg
Lt Col Steve O'brien's account about taking off from Andrews AFB and flying north and west taking them by the south side of the mall is a very important detail. This fits perfectly with the attack plane approaching into downtown DC, near the White House, which for those reading who don't know also proves an inside job as they completely changed the flight path loop to SW of the pentagon and Reagan instead of over DC.
To familiarize everybody...
Official NTSB flight path loop SW of the pentagon and the Reagan National Airport:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lyt...flight_path.jpg (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/flight%20path/691px-Aa77_dc_flight_path.jpg)
DC/White House/EoP(east of potomac) flight path:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lyt...0path/093-1.jpg (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/flight%20path/093-1.jpg)
Contrary to information put out there by an anonymous entity trying to support the official story and flight path of both planes, the C-130's flight path is more in line with Morningside One DP(departing procedure):
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/flight%20path/morningsideonedeparture.jpg
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0801/00561MORNINGSIDE.PDF
It says he could "expect radar vectors" on runway 1L/1R after his departure north. It says radar vectors are required within 10 nautical miles from departure.
It makes sense that he received a radar vector to the west after he flew north for 3 to 5 nautical miles.
4 to 5 nautical miles is within 10 nautical miles.
This fits with his description of flying north and west which took them by the south side of the mall. Not the south side of Reagan.
His flight plan was to take him north and west to MN, ending up over PA both of which are north and west either way.
Remember, the RADES data was released right after I started piecing together his account and publishing it publically.
The RADES flight path takes him through the Reagan approach corridor which also doesn't make much sense as noted by Pilot Rob Balsamo.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/flight%20path/C1303DPOV.jpg
P56 DOES ALLOW flight paths on the south side of the mall and certainly does not restrict it.
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/C130P56.jpg
In fact, that would take him right towards the end of the departure flight path for Reagan, where planes fly up river and out of the area, banking sometimes west and certainly north I am sure. He would have continued north and west toward MN.
The RADES flight path takes him southwest.
Let's not forget,
-Steve Chaconas did NOT see a C-130 only THE jet approaching from the east side of the Potomac from the NE as it was coming out of it's turn.
http://www.youtube.com/v/I5D2K19Y
-Joe Hurst, Joseph Candelario, Gen Clyde Vaughn, Stuart Artman saw the attack plane in DC skies which only fits with the C-130 DC Mall flight path.
-Ari Fleischer admits there was another flight path that took the plane towards the white house and not well SW of it as the NTSB/RADES data attempts to depict. This only fits with the C-130 DC Mall flight path
Sources say the hijacked jet continued east at a high speed toward the city, but flew several miles south of the restricted airspace around the White House.
[...]
At the White House Friday, spokesman Ari Fleischer saw it a different way.
"That is not the radar data that we have seen," Fleischer said, adding, "The plane was headed toward the White House."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/11/...ain310721.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/11/national/main310721.shtml)
-ATC Danielle O'Brien was sure the plane "over-shot" or over missed the White House which only fits with the C-130 DC Mall flight path.
O'Brien went to the Pentagon to see what happened for herself, making her ever more certain that the Pentagon was a secondary target, and that the hijackers overshot or missed the White House.
"I've been down to the Pentagon and stood on the hillside and imagined where, according to what I saw on the radar, that flight would have come from," she says. "And I think that they came eastbound and because sun was in their eyes that morning, and because the White House was beyond a grove of trees, I think they couldn't see it. It was too fast. They came over that Pentagon or saw it just in front of them. You can't miss the Pentagon. It's so telltale by its shape and its size, and they said, 'Look, there it is. Take that. Get that.' They certainly could have had the White House if they had seen it."
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=124266&page=3 or
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123822&page=1
-Col Deskins reports the radar for the attack plane terminating over Washington DC which only fits with the C-130 DC Mall flight path...
Poster 22205:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8721198283922671798
IMPORTANT note at 15:20 minutes video time of the above clip: Colonel Deskins, a lady radar person (with air force uniform), from the New York Command Center (of norad) comes on:
http://aycu22.webshots.com/image/48901/2001858935616653985_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001858935616653985)
-and she very SPECIFICALLY describes the last maneuver of the plane. whats KEY in her exact quote is this (bolded):
"we caught, on the radar scope, a few blips, maybe 7 or 8 (hands showing the spiral maneuver motion in correspondence with these radar dots), just enough to kinda go around in a half circle and then fade, eh - losing radar contact - RIGHT OVER um, WASHINGTON."
-Colin Scoggins (and Kevin Nesapany) place the/an unidentified plane SE & east of the White House/Potomac which only fits with the C-130 DC Mall flight path...
Scoggins: Just to report, be advised the aircraft is 4-6 miles SE (southeast) of the White House.
Huntress: 6 miles SOUTHEAST of the White House?
Scoggins: Yup
Huntress: He's moving away?
Apparently Colin Scoggins recieved this information based on a VISUAL from FAA HQ in Washington DC!!!
“I was on aTELCON and there were people who were actually looking at their window and saw the plane, they were speaking it verbatim on the phone to the TELCON. So it was a visual encounter, I assume they were in FAA HQ on Independence AVE. I know one persons name who was there and according to a USA article on around 9/20/01 I have an idea who said it on the phone, and he is the same person that I received the Phantom 11 call on.”
“I don't know what office window they were looking from, I've always felt it was FAA HQ […] I am 99 % sure that the statement was made by visual...
Not to mention,
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/SouthSideOfMall.jpg
If you watch the BBC interview with him, he pulls out the map and says...
http://www.youtube.com/v/Q9ag6brfWro
"Well here's a chart of the Washington DC area...
That's Andrews Air Force Base right here...
We departed out of Andrews, climbed to 3000 ft which took us by the south side of the mall."
Narrator: Lt. Col. O'Brien was on a routine flight, but as he flew over Central Washington air traffic control reported an unidentified jet fast approaching on his left hand side.
And again, the narrator said as "Flight AA77 descended in a wide turn over the Capitol and lined up with it's target there was a military C-130...flying above Washington DC".
Clearly the BBC interviewed him and understood what he had explained to them, because they mention central DC several times.
"and as he moved to our 11 o' clock position..."
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/11oclock.jpg
"he started his turn..."
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mer...1oclockbank.jpg (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/11oclockbank.jpg)
"and by the time he got to our 12 O'clock position,* right out the front of the aircraft,"
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/12oclock.jpg
"uh he was rolled up into 30-40 degrees of bank which is considerable for a commercial airliner."
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mer...ockrollbank.jpg (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/12oclockrollbank.jpg)
Note he said "and as he moved to our 11 o' clock position he started his turn..."
He STARTED his turn as he moved to O'Brien's 11 O'Clock position.
As you can see in the NTSB animation, the plane was ALWAYS IN A "TURN" or the bank that ends up being 30-45 degrees of bank at one point. Again he states the plane was to his LEFT or 11 o'clock when it STARTED it's turn.
http://www.youtube.com/v/aP3EMnCx4yI
Furthermore, when they finally discussed the C-130's role Lt. Col Kenneth states that the decoy jet was heading into Washington at an angle (the 30-45 degree bank)...
A C-130 cargo plane had departed Andrews Air Force Base en route to Minnesota that morning and reported seeing an airliner heading into Washington"at an unusual angle," said Lt. Col. Kenneth McClellan, a Pentagon spokesman.
Another account documenting a DC/East of Potomac flight path...
I was in FOB-8 (FDA) about 3 blocks from the Capitol, watching CNN on my PC because I had been told by a colleague across the hall that a plane had hit the WTC. (Our Center runs CNN off a Netshow encoder 24/7 so we can get news on the network.) I watched the second plane hit the WTC and shortly after that my wife called to tell me there was smoke showing from further down the Mall in the direction of the Whitehouse. (The Whitehouse is in the same direction as the Pentagon from our location at the foot of Capitol Hill.) There were then many rumors spreading in the hallway that car bombs had gone off on the Hill and near the State Dept, supposedly smoke was showing there as well. We now know that the car bomb rumors were false.
My Team Leader came in to say as he was coming in to the building, he saw a 757 flying in a peculiar location roughly over the Mall. (We now know that was the 757 that hit the Pentagon as it did circle downtown DC, supposedly looking for a target, possibly the Whitehouse which is not as easy to pick out from the air as the Capitol or the Pentagon, before heading west again, then turning east for its final run at the Pentagon.)
About that time, I suspected that there might be other hijacked aircraft targeting other buildings in the area (remember, we thought there might have been car bombs going off too at this point) so I walked across the hall to the lab of the colleague who initially told me the WTC had been hit by an aircraft. Looking out of the north facing 4th floor window, I saw the outline of a 747-400 flying slowly south to north nearly directly over head at a low altitude. Planes never flew there as it is restricted airspace, almost over the Capitol. As it turned over NE DC, roughly Union Station I guess, and banked east, the sun hit the pale colored paint and I could see that it was an Air Force E-4 and not a commercial 747. It was going so slow, it appeared to hang in the air over the Hubert Humphrey (HHS) building (across the street from FOB-8). For a moment it crossed my mind that such an aircraft carries much more fuel and could do considerably more damage than the aircraft that had hit the WTC (at this time it was being reported that those aircraft were commuter planes, we didn't know for sure they were 767's, though the outline sure looked like it to me when I saw the second one disappear into the building on CNN). Us chemists were already thinking of fuel loads and explosive equivalents, combustion temperature, melting point of steel, etc. when we watched the first tower collapse. (I'm hazy in my recall of the exact time we watched this relative to the Pentagon crash.)
http://forums.techguy.org/archive/index.php/t-72752.htm
This "757 flying in a peculiar location roughly over the mall", that "circled downtown DC" can only fit with the C-130 DC Mall flight path in order the allow their interaction to make sense.
Let's not forget the confirmation from the ANC witnesses!
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/gifs/c-130approachgif1.gif
They prove how the C-130 came from the northwest and not the south as shown in the fraudulent 84 RADES data.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/flight%20path/c-130comparison.jpg
Here is their photo originally posted on the LCF Website.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9344/tribbyc130ploton4.jpg
Now, what's wrong with it? It is an obvious and intentional manipulation designed to deceive the gullible.
The large overhead portion of the photograph is from a different camera position and angle than the smaller inset showing the smoke column and the C-130. The inset was taken at approximately 1:55 of the Tribby video... I do not know the source of the overhead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV4ja...eature=related
We can see they are from a different viewing positions because the smoke column was never North of the impact point at any time. The winds were northerly and the smoke column drifted South. Also, note the different angles of the oil/fuel tanks. They are different, vividly indicating a different camera position.
This proves that CIT is a fraud and are liars to support their deluded agenda...
An analysis was done of the Tribby Video here several months ago showing that the video verifies the 84th RADES data and totally refutes CIT's version of the ANC grave diggers statements that the C-130 arrived on the scene from the NW and departed to the NW. The C-130 arrived from the SW and departed to the NW just as the pilot said and that the radar returns show....
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=120994
Curious, you may tell Ranke and Waldo that they are FRAUDS and LIARS. (It might be easier to simply look into a mirror and whisper)
Please. The C-130's flight path was established by the pilot and eyewitnesses to not only the c-130 but also the attack plane over DC skies, east of the Potomac.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/C-130/northandwest.jpg
Lt Col Steve O'brien's account about taking off from Andrews AFB and flying north and west taking them by the south side of the mall is a very important detail. This fits perfectly with the attack plane approaching into downtown DC, near the White House, which for those reading who don't know also proves an inside job as they completely changed the flight path loop to SW of the pentagon and Reagan instead of over DC.
To familiarize everybody...
Official NTSB flight path loop SW of the pentagon and the Reagan National Airport:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lyt...flight_path.jpg (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/flight%20path/691px-Aa77_dc_flight_path.jpg)
DC/White House/EoP(east of potomac) flight path:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lyt...0path/093-1.jpg (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/flight%20path/093-1.jpg)
Contrary to information put out there by an anonymous entity trying to support the official story and flight path of both planes, the C-130's flight path is more in line with Morningside One DP(departing procedure):
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/flight%20path/morningsideonedeparture.jpg
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0801/00561MORNINGSIDE.PDF
It says he could "expect radar vectors" on runway 1L/1R after his departure north. It says radar vectors are required within 10 nautical miles from departure.
It makes sense that he received a radar vector to the west after he flew north for 3 to 5 nautical miles.
4 to 5 nautical miles is within 10 nautical miles.
This fits with his description of flying north and west which took them by the south side of the mall. Not the south side of Reagan.
His flight plan was to take him north and west to MN, ending up over PA both of which are north and west either way.
Remember, the RADES data was released right after I started piecing together his account and publishing it publically.
The RADES flight path takes him through the Reagan approach corridor which also doesn't make much sense as noted by Pilot Rob Balsamo.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/flight%20path/C1303DPOV.jpg
P56 DOES ALLOW flight paths on the south side of the mall and certainly does not restrict it.
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/C130P56.jpg
In fact, that would take him right towards the end of the departure flight path for Reagan, where planes fly up river and out of the area, banking sometimes west and certainly north I am sure. He would have continued north and west toward MN.
The RADES flight path takes him southwest.
Let's not forget,
-Steve Chaconas did NOT see a C-130 only THE jet approaching from the east side of the Potomac from the NE as it was coming out of it's turn.
http://www.youtube.com/v/I5D2K19Y
-Joe Hurst, Joseph Candelario, Gen Clyde Vaughn, Stuart Artman saw the attack plane in DC skies which only fits with the C-130 DC Mall flight path.
-Ari Fleischer admits there was another flight path that took the plane towards the white house and not well SW of it as the NTSB/RADES data attempts to depict. This only fits with the C-130 DC Mall flight path
Sources say the hijacked jet continued east at a high speed toward the city, but flew several miles south of the restricted airspace around the White House.
[...]
At the White House Friday, spokesman Ari Fleischer saw it a different way.
"That is not the radar data that we have seen," Fleischer said, adding, "The plane was headed toward the White House."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/11/...ain310721.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/11/national/main310721.shtml)
-ATC Danielle O'Brien was sure the plane "over-shot" or over missed the White House which only fits with the C-130 DC Mall flight path.
O'Brien went to the Pentagon to see what happened for herself, making her ever more certain that the Pentagon was a secondary target, and that the hijackers overshot or missed the White House.
"I've been down to the Pentagon and stood on the hillside and imagined where, according to what I saw on the radar, that flight would have come from," she says. "And I think that they came eastbound and because sun was in their eyes that morning, and because the White House was beyond a grove of trees, I think they couldn't see it. It was too fast. They came over that Pentagon or saw it just in front of them. You can't miss the Pentagon. It's so telltale by its shape and its size, and they said, 'Look, there it is. Take that. Get that.' They certainly could have had the White House if they had seen it."
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=124266&page=3 or
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123822&page=1
-Col Deskins reports the radar for the attack plane terminating over Washington DC which only fits with the C-130 DC Mall flight path...
Poster 22205:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8721198283922671798
IMPORTANT note at 15:20 minutes video time of the above clip: Colonel Deskins, a lady radar person (with air force uniform), from the New York Command Center (of norad) comes on:
http://aycu22.webshots.com/image/48901/2001858935616653985_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001858935616653985)
-and she very SPECIFICALLY describes the last maneuver of the plane. whats KEY in her exact quote is this (bolded):
"we caught, on the radar scope, a few blips, maybe 7 or 8 (hands showing the spiral maneuver motion in correspondence with these radar dots), just enough to kinda go around in a half circle and then fade, eh - losing radar contact - RIGHT OVER um, WASHINGTON."
-Colin Scoggins (and Kevin Nesapany) place the/an unidentified plane SE & east of the White House/Potomac which only fits with the C-130 DC Mall flight path...
Scoggins: Just to report, be advised the aircraft is 4-6 miles SE (southeast) of the White House.
Huntress: 6 miles SOUTHEAST of the White House?
Scoggins: Yup
Huntress: He's moving away?
Apparently Colin Scoggins recieved this information based on a VISUAL from FAA HQ in Washington DC!!!
“I was on aTELCON and there were people who were actually looking at their window and saw the plane, they were speaking it verbatim on the phone to the TELCON. So it was a visual encounter, I assume they were in FAA HQ on Independence AVE. I know one persons name who was there and according to a USA article on around 9/20/01 I have an idea who said it on the phone, and he is the same person that I received the Phantom 11 call on.”
“I don't know what office window they were looking from, I've always felt it was FAA HQ […] I am 99 % sure that the statement was made by visual...
Not to mention,
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/SouthSideOfMall.jpg
If you watch the BBC interview with him, he pulls out the map and says...
http://www.youtube.com/v/Q9ag6brfWro
"Well here's a chart of the Washington DC area...
That's Andrews Air Force Base right here...
We departed out of Andrews, climbed to 3000 ft which took us by the south side of the mall."
Narrator: Lt. Col. O'Brien was on a routine flight, but as he flew over Central Washington air traffic control reported an unidentified jet fast approaching on his left hand side.
And again, the narrator said as "Flight AA77 descended in a wide turn over the Capitol and lined up with it's target there was a military C-130...flying above Washington DC".
Clearly the BBC interviewed him and understood what he had explained to them, because they mention central DC several times.
"and as he moved to our 11 o' clock position..."
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/11oclock.jpg
"he started his turn..."
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mer...1oclockbank.jpg (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/11oclockbank.jpg)
"and by the time he got to our 12 O'clock position,* right out the front of the aircraft,"
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/12oclock.jpg
"uh he was rolled up into 30-40 degrees of bank which is considerable for a commercial airliner."
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mer...ockrollbank.jpg (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/12oclockrollbank.jpg)
Note he said "and as he moved to our 11 o' clock position he started his turn..."
He STARTED his turn as he moved to O'Brien's 11 O'Clock position.
As you can see in the NTSB animation, the plane was ALWAYS IN A "TURN" or the bank that ends up being 30-45 degrees of bank at one point. Again he states the plane was to his LEFT or 11 o'clock when it STARTED it's turn.
http://www.youtube.com/v/aP3EMnCx4yI
Furthermore, when they finally discussed the C-130's role Lt. Col Kenneth states that the decoy jet was heading into Washington at an angle (the 30-45 degree bank)...
A C-130 cargo plane had departed Andrews Air Force Base en route to Minnesota that morning and reported seeing an airliner heading into Washington"at an unusual angle," said Lt. Col. Kenneth McClellan, a Pentagon spokesman.
Another account documenting a DC/East of Potomac flight path...
I was in FOB-8 (FDA) about 3 blocks from the Capitol, watching CNN on my PC because I had been told by a colleague across the hall that a plane had hit the WTC. (Our Center runs CNN off a Netshow encoder 24/7 so we can get news on the network.) I watched the second plane hit the WTC and shortly after that my wife called to tell me there was smoke showing from further down the Mall in the direction of the Whitehouse. (The Whitehouse is in the same direction as the Pentagon from our location at the foot of Capitol Hill.) There were then many rumors spreading in the hallway that car bombs had gone off on the Hill and near the State Dept, supposedly smoke was showing there as well. We now know that the car bomb rumors were false.
My Team Leader came in to say as he was coming in to the building, he saw a 757 flying in a peculiar location roughly over the Mall. (We now know that was the 757 that hit the Pentagon as it did circle downtown DC, supposedly looking for a target, possibly the Whitehouse which is not as easy to pick out from the air as the Capitol or the Pentagon, before heading west again, then turning east for its final run at the Pentagon.)
About that time, I suspected that there might be other hijacked aircraft targeting other buildings in the area (remember, we thought there might have been car bombs going off too at this point) so I walked across the hall to the lab of the colleague who initially told me the WTC had been hit by an aircraft. Looking out of the north facing 4th floor window, I saw the outline of a 747-400 flying slowly south to north nearly directly over head at a low altitude. Planes never flew there as it is restricted airspace, almost over the Capitol. As it turned over NE DC, roughly Union Station I guess, and banked east, the sun hit the pale colored paint and I could see that it was an Air Force E-4 and not a commercial 747. It was going so slow, it appeared to hang in the air over the Hubert Humphrey (HHS) building (across the street from FOB-8). For a moment it crossed my mind that such an aircraft carries much more fuel and could do considerably more damage than the aircraft that had hit the WTC (at this time it was being reported that those aircraft were commuter planes, we didn't know for sure they were 767's, though the outline sure looked like it to me when I saw the second one disappear into the building on CNN). Us chemists were already thinking of fuel loads and explosive equivalents, combustion temperature, melting point of steel, etc. when we watched the first tower collapse. (I'm hazy in my recall of the exact time we watched this relative to the Pentagon crash.)
http://forums.techguy.org/archive/index.php/t-72752.htm
This "757 flying in a peculiar location roughly over the mall", that "circled downtown DC" can only fit with the C-130 DC Mall flight path in order the allow their interaction to make sense.
Let's not forget the confirmation from the ANC witnesses!
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/gifs/c-130approachgif1.gif
They prove how the C-130 came from the northwest and not the south as shown in the fraudulent 84 RADES data.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/flight%20path/c-130comparison.jpg