Why dont the 9-11 Truthers just give up?

[parky76]

I mean, they arent any closer to a new investigation then they were in 2005. They are totally not gonna have a revolution. Most of the American people really either dont care about them, find them annoying, or want them in jail.

So what keeps them going? Dont they see the writing on the wall?

Or is it.....insanity. Repeating the same things again and again....even though they have all the evidence to suggest it will have the exact same result...year after year?

[bje]

I mean, they arent any closer to a new investigation then they were in 2005. They are totally not gonna have a revolution. Most of the American people really either dont care about them, find them annoying, or want them in jail.

So what keeps them going? Dont they see the writing on the wall?

Or is it.....insanity. Repeating the same things again and again....even though they have all the evidence to suggest it will have the exact same result...year after year?

Narcissism is like that.

[Quad4_72]

My guess would be for people like Dylan, Jason, Jones, DRG, etc is that they are still turning a profit. Anyone not making a profit are simply suckers of those liars.

[parky76]

was there a similar phenomenon after the JFK assassination? lots of folks refusing to let go even after investigation after investigation? im only 32 so i dont really know.

[TinfoilCat]

Why don't we give up?
BECAUSE!
We want the twoof and nothing but the twoof!
:D

[Havermayer]

I mean, they arent any closer to a new investigation then they were in 2005. They are totally not gonna have a revolution. Most of the American people really either dont care about them, find them annoying, or want them in jail.

So what keeps them going? Dont they see the writing on the wall?

Or is it.....insanity. Repeating the same things again and again....even though they have all the evidence to suggest it will have the exact same result...year after year?

The same thing that keeps creationists, anti-vaccinationists, etc going. Cognitive dissonance, confirmation bias and a few other things. Never underestimate the powers of self-deception. I suggest reading the excellent book, Mistakes Were Made (But Not by Me): Why We Justify Foolish Beliefs, Bad Decisions, and Hurtful Acts. It deals with that.

[CHF]

At this point the twoof movement cult exists for two reasons:

1) to make money for scum like DR Griffin and Alex Jones

2) to give its members a sense of belonging within the cult

Notice that almost everything they do these days is directed at their fellow nutters more then anyone else.

Why does each TM/WAC chapter make silly videos of their tiny rallies? To show other twoofer groups that they exist.

Why does Steven Jones get "peer-reviewed" in journals no one has ever heard of? Because he's simply trying to satisfy his followers' demands for publication.

Why do they spend so much time making youtube videos and so little time writing scientific reports? Because the TM is a popularity contest where stupid kids try to outdo one another with who can get the most hits.

[applecorped]

Some people prefer illusion to despair.

[alex04]

At this point the twoof movement cult exists for two reasons:

1) to make money for scum like DR Griffin and Alex Jones

2) to give its members a sense of belonging within the cult


3) to destroy the matrix!

[AJM8125]

These things also have a long shelf life too. It would be interesting to see what the attitude is 40 years from now. There are stills theories abounding about Pearl Harbor and the Titanic.

Hmmm.... There are some that say Titanic didn't sink in one piece; It broke up and then sank. You don't suppose.... THERM*TE??!?

[DavidJames]

At this point the twoof movement cult exists for two reasons:

1) to make money for scum like DR Griffin and Alex Jones

2) to give its members a sense of belonging within the cult

Notice that almost everything they do these days is directed at their fellow nutters more then anyone else.

Why does each TM/WAC chapter make silly videos of their tiny rallies? To show other twoofer groups that they exist.

Why does Steven Jones get "peer-reviewed" in journals no one has ever heard of? Because he's simply trying to satisfy his followers' demands for publication.

Why do they spend so much time making youtube videos and so little time writing scientific reports? Because the TM is a popularity contest where stupid kids try to outdo one another with who can get the most hits.While I generally agree with your comments, regarding the question I highlighted, I believe the answer is really they can't. At least most of them don't have the ability to write a scientific report and those that do, don't because they know the data won't support their beliefs.

[parky76]

yeah. i guess its like trying to get an evangelical christian to stop believing in God.

if they give up on God..what more do they have? nothing.

i suspect some truthers, like some evangelicals. would commit suicide if they were faced with the real truth.

[HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP]

Just look @ Red and IT'S "FBI doesn't have records of 4 hijacked planes" Stupidity.
Why should they give up now?

[240-185]

All those who don't agree with them are called "sheeps". So, I was just thinking: are they looking for a lot of wool in order to bear a very cold winter? :D

BTW, I think that they shout first their hatred to G. W. Bush. They are so focused on bashing Bush that they forget everything else: logic, thinking, etc... He invaded Iraq without a good reason, so he made 9/11 without a good reason. Twoofer's logic.

[parky76]

The funny thing about them, is that they are much more sheepish then the ones they accuse of being "sheep". They follow around Dylan Avery and Alex Jones like they were the second coming of Christ. They swallow every ounce that is thrown at them. They claim to have an open mind, but they swear by Prisonplanet, Loose Change Forum, and Rense.com. Meanwhile, they think anti-war folks, liberals, socialists, communists, and democrats, are "sheeple" because they refuse to accept their very narrow view of history.

This is why, 9-11 Truthers, are really 9-11 Sheepers.

Take that, William Rhea. I know you're reading this.

[eromitlab]

Spot on, parky.

They swallow every ounce that is thrown at them.
Which wouldn't be so bad, if they didn't insist on chasing it with ipecac and then regurgitating it all over other people's internets. The nWo really needs to reassign some of the surplus disinfo agents to help with cleaning that stuff up.

[Tweeter]

Why dont the 9-11 Truthers just give up?

Thats what the british wondered about patriots back in the 1700`s.
You all fail, foreigners.

[lordofwaffles]

The American rebels actually had bands of people numbering greater than six, and were capable of roughing up more than people in wheelchairs. Also, many prominent men (and to some extent, women*) of actual stature took sides with the rebellion, and further after Saratoga, several world powers backed the American cause.

So, yeah, kinda more important than your joke of a movement. Really this isn't even that important of a post except for I am so insulted that you're tying our forefathers into the horrible abortion of a thought that you call the "truth" that I felt the need to object.

[Tweeter]

I`m sure the revolution started with just a few, as all others have.
You fail.

[1337m4n]

I`m sure the revolution started with just a few, as all others have.


Yes. It started with just a few, then grew in size.

The Truth Movement started with many (...relatively speaking), and is by all accounts shrinking.

Not to mention, the American Rebels did more than just post on the Internet. The Truth Movement doesn't even seem to exist outside of the Web.

[DC]

The Truth Movement doesn't even seem to exist outside of the Web?

why are there topics about how truther idiots was at GZ?
how come we have topics where people complain about inside job stickers in their town etc?

tztztz

[lordofwaffles]

The American Revolution was the end result of years of tensions, political thought, expression, tensions and violence. It was not based on a largely discredited, and ignored version of lies surrounding a historical event.

If anything you should be likening yourself more to the Bolsheviks, who were also unpopular liars, given to rewriting history as they saw fit.

[1337m4n]

why are there topics about how truther idiots was at GZ?

All 10 of them (truthers, not topics)?

You seriously calling that a "movement"?

[Tweeter]

Yes. It started with just a few, then grew in size.

The Truth Movement started with many (...relatively speaking), and is by all accounts shrinking.

Not to mention, the American Rebels did more than just post on the Internet.The Truth Movement doesn't even seem to exist outside of the Web.

You seem to have a selective memory.
Truthers do go out and protest, then you guys show the videos here and cry about it. You may have alzheimers.

[DC]

All 10 of them (truthers, not topics)?

What?

what? the TM was at GZ? is GZ in the internet?

strange, a movement that is death and does not exist outside the web was spottet at GZ?

:rolleyes:

[1337m4n]

Truthers do go out and protest

In numbers around 10, yes.

[1337m4n]

what? the TM was at GZ? is GZ in the internet?

strange, a movement that is death and does not exist outside the web was spottet at GZ?

:rolleyes:

What? 10 people were at GZ? is 10 people a "movement"?

Strange, a "movement" that only has 10 people.

:rolleyes:

[Hokulele]

Heh, it sounds like there were more cross-dressers than truthers at Dylan's 9/11 event.

[DC]

In numbers around 10, yes.

are you sure about the numbers? or are you just uninformed or are you a liar?

i thought you said you WAS a nerd.....

[1337m4n]

are you sure about the numbers? or are you just uninformed or are you a liar?

My bad. After checking again it seems the most accurate estimate we have is actually 15.

The revolution is nigh!

[DC]

My bad. After checking again it seems the most accurate estimate we have is actually 15.

The revolution is nigh!

tztztz :)

[Tweeter]

are you sure about the numbers? or are you just uninformed or are you a liar?

i thought you said you WAS a nerd.....

He would never lie, he was just: confused, erroneous, false, inaccurate, incorrect, in error, misguided, misinformed, wrong.

[eromitlab]

The Truth Movement doesn't even seem to exist outside of the Web?

why are there topics about how truther idiots was at GZ?
how come we have topics where people complain about inside job stickers in their town etc?

tztztz

Here's a comparison you might enjoy.
The real patriots of the Revolutionary War were willing to lay it all on the line. The real patriots of the Revolutionary War were willing to engage in very real battles, with very real risks, and possibly die for their cause. The real patriots knew there was great risk if they didn't succeed, which is why they fought so hard, to the death if need be.
The fake patriots of the 9/11 "truth" movement lay nothing but their allowances and the time they'd otherwise spend insulting people on the Internet about something besides non-belief in truthism on the line.The fake patriots of the 9/11 "truth" movement do passive-aggressive things like vandalize property with "inside jobby job" stickers and plead for attention by going out with a couple of their equally batty woo buddies to wave signs and chant slogans while everyone else ignores them. (That is, unless it's raining... or sleeting... or snowing... or too hot... or too cold; in which case, they don't go out at all.) The fake patriots know there is no risk if they don't succeed, because despite their fantastical "spy thriller" claims of government interference in their actions, no one in any Federal agency has spent one minute countering truthism and there really isn't a FEMA/Halliburton death camp they'll be sent to when their "rebellion" proves unsuccessful; they'll just go back to being socially maladjusted and eternally dateless Internet losers.
Yes, truthists get out and protest... in very limited numbers. Truthists had, and I'm being generous in the estimation, a couple of hundred... at Ground Zero... on the anniversary... representing a movement its members often claim is growing. To top that, your couple of hundred didn't just come from New York City. They came from all over, if I'm not mistaken; all over the US, and a few even came from outside the US... and all truthism could draw was a couple of hundred, to cover a city of eight million.
Of course, from which fountain do all things truthish spring forth from? The internet. Much like a fountain, most of what springs forth from it stays in the fountain. But, every now and then, a droplet of truthism escapes... and hits the ground, and either evaporates or dissipates quietly and without incident.

[Tweeter]

1377man says there were 15 and eromitlab says there were a few hundred. Should i believe anything yall say or what?

[eromitlab]

1377man says there were 15 and eromitlab says there were a few hundred. Should i believe anything yall say or what?

Actually, I said a couple of hundred. I mean, if you're actually pushing for accuracy...

[orphia nay]

Maybe eventually twoof will be as popular as crap:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=9%2F11+truth%2C+crap&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

[Grizzly Bear]

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So what keeps them going? Dont they see the writing on the wall?

Or is it.....insanity. Repeating the same things again and again....even though they have all the evidence to suggest it will have the exact same result...year after year?

I'll play devils' advocate (even if barely):
They continue because either:

A) They genuinely believe that the government committed itself to engaging in terrorist acts on 911, that the government truly orchestrated 9/11 in a false flag (or otherwise) operation that led to the towers being demolished. They believe that they have all the evidence they need to justify their accusations and continue to bring it out.

B) They believe the conspiracy theory second hand based of confirmation bias. They religiously follow leaders of a movement no matter how preposterous the claims they make are.

C) Some don't believe the conspiracy theories, but promote them for any kind of benefits that follow with promoting them...

And when they cite their architect and engineering "experts" they don't even scrutinize their mostly obviously contradicting claims...

All three are general... though if you ask me they seem to believe argument ad populum would make every one of their claims right as they seem to celebrate based on numbers. I think some genuinely believe in the conspiracies for whatever reason regardless of any evidence that contradicts them, and they will never change their minds.

Whatever the case if the movement isn't "dead" then it's certainly not right by "numbers."

[nicepants]

The Truth Movement doesn't even seem to exist outside of the Web?

why are there topics about how truther idiots was at GZ?


A few idiots does not a movement make.

ETA: Question for the truthers in the audience....what measurement do you use to determine the success, or failure, of the truth movement? What specific determining factor would lead you to consider it "Dead"?

[Crazytimes]

The thing that drives me crazy is that they refuse to actually take 5 minutes to research the canned lies they always say.

- No parts of a plane
- Fell at free fall speeds in it's own footprint
- Debris cannot end up 7 miles away
- The fires werent hot enough to melt steel - Assuming the steel would have to melt for stuctural failure.
- Cartoon like image of an airplane
- Cell phones don't work on airplanes


Then they take eye witness accounts and use them as fact or take them literally.

- "I heard an explosion" - hence, there must have been bombs
- "It looked like a demolition" - therefore it must have been
- "there are small fires" - which of course means that was the only fires

I just think they have lost all common sense for whatever reason. They want to believe the theories and they refuse to connect the dots of their theories because in the end, they know that have nothing.

This was one of the most chaotic days in US history and they want a perfect answer for everything. They want the correct information all at one time and if something doesnt add up....there is a conspiracy. They refuse to accept the fact that information is going to be innacurate and sometimes even wrong.

Nothing you can say will change their mind. Like a friend of mine who says there must be something wrong with the plane that hit the pentagon because they won't release the videos. I asked him what happens when they do and it shows the plane and he says he would then question wether the government was doctoring the video all this time.

They are hopeless.

[Miragememories]

Gravy wrote this but it was a waste of his time.

Intervention is required.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3984860&postcount=30

MM

[Comsat Angel]

You seem to have a selective memory.
Truthers do go out and protest, -

Not when it's raining.