Why Don't The Pilots For 9/11 Truth Corroborate Their Findings With Real FDR Experts?

[WildCat]

Because no one is taking their pretend FDR experts seriously.

Anyone from PfffT care to answer this?

[twinstead]

I think I'd rather wait until the world's FDR experts or organizations come out and declare they have been convinced. Since most of this stuff is mumbo jumbo to me, it is the lack of REAL support among actual professionals in this field that is the most telling to me.

[twinstead]

Yea, well Turbo you just go and take your obvious rock-solid evidence and convince somebody who can, unlike your little movement, actually DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

Then you'll have something

[T.A.M.]

"Captain Bob" seems obsessed with getting people's info. I assume he enjoys "outing" them to other truthers for the purpose of harrassment, as I see no other practical application for posting a persons IP address and/or other personal information.

I would not join that site under ANY circumstance.

TAM:)

[twinstead]

If you want to be tracked down and harrassed, by all means head on over...

Well, that sounds lovely and all, but sadly I won't be able to make it; I'm pretty sure I have to wash my hair that day.

ETA: WOO HOO! Made it to 4000 posts without really being able to contribute a whole lot to just about ANY subject! That must be a record, right?

[CHF]

Seriously, get off your butt and register.

You want answers, but you wont type a few keys to allow yourself to
contact the people you need to ask?

I don't know the details about such bannings, so I wont comment. Members
are given fair warning before any ban occurs. That I know for sure.

The sad part is Rob was registered here not too long ago and banned again
because the mods didn't believe it was him?

Try the link. Sign up. Follow proper forum procedure and you'll all be fine.

I can promise you that much.

You can promise all you want but REALITY has proven you wrong time and time again.

P4T basically runs the message board equivalent of a Soviet Gulag. Any dissent is met with the proverbial bullet to the head.

[Drudgewire]

You want answers, but you wont type a few keys to allow yourself to contact the people you need to ask?


In a thread asking why PfT doesn't confirm their findings with FDR experts rather than playing verbal badminton with skeptics, we may need a dam to keep the irony from drowning us all. :boggled:

[Reality Believer]

Why Don't The Pilots For 9/11 Truth Corroborate Their Findings With Real FDR Experts?
The most obvious answer is they are after DVD sales, not exposure of lies and fabrications.

Why else would one sell the "truth" instead of taking "evidence" to the justice department? Money whores plain and simple. Not after truth and justice.

[Jonnyclueless]

It's kinda of funny how PFT's goal pretty much is limited to discussion with non-experts on internet forums. I believe the original question was why don't they consult with experts. I think we really know the answer. Their findings are so baseless that they can't even get any experts to take them seriously enough to address their issues.

As if groups like th NTSB have the time to waste addressing a bunch of amateur hacks who run around calling real experts idiots.

[kookbreaker]

As always, the little zamfpolit shines through all their empty promises.

[bje]

If you spent as much time analyzing FDR data as you did my replies, you'd
be a pro! :rolleyes:

If you could provide eyewitness statements to your "flyover theory" we would stop laughing at you.

:dl:

[bje]

Remember this, from the Pilots for 9/11 Truth Fascist Forum?

- Skeptics, who follow the official story are asked to keep their discussions in the Debate section, we do not accept the official conspiracy theory as evidence in other areas of the forum.

[nicepants]

By the way, PFT has decoded the raw data file with help from industry
professionals.

THerefore, we have consulted with and contaced said experts.


The fact that "industry professionals" had to help the PFTers decode the data doesn't, in any way, mean that these professionals endorse or agree with the findings of pft with regard to that data, which is what the OP asks for.

Which FDR experts agree with the findings of PFT?

[Drudgewire]

Also, being a professional is not the same thing as being an expert. I'm not saying they gave any bad information, but the terms are not interchangeable.

[beachnut]

The people you want to contact have been banned from this board. Why don't you drop by the PFT forum and ask them directly?
No experts there, they never questioned the DME posted every single second when it is only sampled every four seconds. No experts at p4t, just terrorist apologists who sell implications of lies, on false DVD at a time.

Millions of pilots, you have the only ones on earth who can't figure out 9/11. How it has been, and always will be. Terrorist can fly better, passengers out think them.

Your p4t decoded the FDR but can’t figure out 9/11. What a waste! Must be related to their outstanding math, and physics skills.

[Turbofan]

You know as we all do that Captain Bob's forum is no place for debate. (Even the rules of his forum say so)

Back to the OP

I'll rephrase to make it more clear: Is it important to you that PFT discuss their findings with FDR experts and receive validation or corroboration from said experts that their findings are, indeed, accurate?

How do you think PFT was able to get a data frame layout and decode
the raw file? How many times do I have to explain this? We have
experts on our side.

The moment you 'experts' give us names, we'll give you our experts' names.

PFT already has several Aircraft Accident Investigators on their side using
their real names (as told several times). Where are yours?
Can they be verified like PFT members?

Do you think Aircraft Accident Investigators know something about FDR's, or
do they disregard the FDR in their investigation? No one will sign up to PFT to
ask this question because they will get schooled.

[Jonnyclueless]

So basically Turbo here is just being a cheerleader to help boost their membership numbers. Yeah, I am gonna sign up to a crackpot conspiracy web site just to listen to more baseless nonsense that they seem to think will suddenly become more truthful if discussed on a crackpot site. From the same people claiming to have evidence of a coverup, for the right price.

I am sorry, but I am not supporting scam artists. But if anyone at PFT is interested, I have a friend in Nigeria who has inherited millions of dollars. They just need someone to wire some money first in order to get the millions and then they can pay that PFTer back. He even has all the official documents to prove it.

[nicepants]

PFT already has several Aircraft Accident Investigators on their side using
their real names (as told several times).

The OP was about "FDR EXPERTS" which is not the same as "Aircraft Accident Investigators". Being an "Aircraft Accident Investigator" does not automatically make someone an FDR expert, and vice versa.

No one will sign up to PFT to
ask this question because they will get schooled banned.

Fixed that for you.

The moment you 'experts' give us names, we'll give you our experts' names.

It's the responsibility of PFT to give credibility to their arguments by citing experts who corroborate their findings. This is necessary whether or not there are any FDR experts who have publicly stated their disagreement with PFTs findings.

You never answered my question: (third request)
Is it important to you that PFT discuss their findings with FDR experts and receive validation or corroboration from said experts that their findings are, indeed, accurate?

[funk de fino]

I asked TF many times in another thread to name one person on his Pft list who had more experience than me with FDR and he never gave me a name.

I have to look at a list of lapsed pilots, mechies and flight attendants and see which one of those has 1st and 2nd line experience of FDR.

Just one name off the list TF?

[bje]

I asked TF many times in another thread to name one person on his Pft list who had more experience than me with FDR and he never gave me a name.

I have to look at a list of lapsed pilots, mechies and flight attendants and see which one of those has 1st and 2nd line experience of FDR.

Just one name off the list TF?

Sorry, as with every other twoofer, TF does not answer questions.

[uruk]

It is a FACT that Captain Bob records IP addresses and posts your location. I have seen it done. I for one will not access that pathetic site.

They also do it at Loose change. Member 22205 spent some time looking me up.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=127855&t=297723

That's me in the Santa cap at the bottom of that rather long advertisement for JREF memorabelia he so lovingly posted on the loose change site.

The others than went on to make note of my rather stout frame. Some how one's weight figgures into a debate about CIT.

[beachnut]

Because no one is taking their pretend FDR experts seriously.

Anyone from PfffT care to answer this?

The p4t terrorist apologist have a salesman from an FDR company as their expert. They say the expert salesman says only .5 seconds data can be missing, no FDR can have missing data more than that.

Their salesman proven wrong with missing data on one FDR just like 77's FDR, of 13 minutes. Oops. Proven wrong out of the box; another p4t expert goes down. Now why can't a FDR have missing data? Why can't the data stop. It has stopped many times for many FDRs.

The p4t only quote mine once, they never go back and correct, they just move forward and make more errors. Why check twice, they know a FDR cannot be missing more than .5 seconds of data, an expert salesman said so.

... PFT already has several Aircraft Accident Investigators ...
Do you think Aircraft Accident Investigators know something about FDR's, or do they disregard the FDR in their investigation? .
Prove it, show the school they attended to become aircraft accident investigators. Show their paper work now. BTW, working an accident does not make them and investigator. Sorry, I was a board president and looking over your list of pilots and experts with doltish ideas I see no school trained people, I just see people who as the board president I used to do the busy work associated with their expertise. I see no trained investigators in your failed fantasy terrorist apologist group which spews false 9/11 ideas.

An accident investigator would know 77 hit the Pentagon and understand Flight 93. Alas, your anonymous investigators are not very good.

Your entire p4t group can't figure out 9/11. Show us their proof of being to school.

[jhunter1163]

Well, that sounds lovely and all, but sadly I won't be able to make it; I'm pretty sure I have to wash my hair that day.

ETA: WOO HOO! Made it to 4000 posts without really being able to contribute a whole lot to just about ANY subject! That must be a record, right?

Yes, but records are made to be broken. Just watch my smoke.

[PhantomWolf]

See, what I'd like to know is why are PfT making videos to sell rather than sending all this information to KSM's Laywer. Is making money off of the murder of 3,000 people more important to them than seeking the freedom of someone they believe is innocent?

[Turbofan]

The OP was about "FDR EXPERTS" which is not the same as "Aircraft Accident Investigators". Being an "Aircraft Accident Investigator" does not automatically make someone an FDR expert, and vice versa.



Fixed that for you.



It's the responsibility of PFT to give credibility to their arguments by citing experts who corroborate their findings. This is necessary whether or not there are any FDR experts who have publicly stated their disagreement with PFTs findings.

You never answered my question: (third request)

What do you need? A road map?

It is important, and I have reviewed the data. I also know some of
the professionals who have decoded that data.

I have e-mailed them, or spoke to them via phone.

Their credentials are good enough for me, and they can all be verified
(unlike members here).

You may call them crackjobs, however they were all just fine and dandy
until they put THEIR REAL NAMES behind research.

It's crazy how all of these poeple held/still hold high ranking positions in
their field, but after 9/11 it was open season on character drilling huh?

[nicepants]

What do you need? A road map?

No, just the names & credentials of any FDR experts who agree with/corroborate the findings (& conclusions) of PFT.

Their credentials are good enough for me, and they can all be verified.

They can't be verified until you post them.

[Turbofan]

Why do you keep asking for the same information that I gave you in other
threads?

Here's the list AGAIN:

http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

Jeff Latas, Dennis Cimino, Undertow are just a few others.

Undertow will not reveal his name at this time due to career threats.
He can however answer any of your questions about the FDR. He
met with ARINC reps and has all of the resources required to read
the raw data. If you want specifics, you know where to find him.

[beachnut]

Why do you keep asking for the same information that I gave you in other
threads?

Here's the list AGAIN:

http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

Jeff Latas, Dennis Cimino, Undertow are just a few others.

Undertow will not reveal his name at this time due to career threats.
He can however answer any of your questions about the FDR. He
met with ARINC reps and has all of the resources required to read
the raw data. If you want specifics, you know where to find him.

Cimino only worked on hardening the FDR and electronic, not a thing to help you here. Stick that one. He does threaten to beat up people; why?

Cimino never produce a single piece of evidence to support the failed ideas of p4t. He just talks or threatens to beat up people. There was virtually no debris from the 80-ton airplane, except a few small pieces that were picked up by hand. Proven wrong with a few photos! Why can't he find the photos? These guys have no logic.


Jeff, never produce a single piece of evidence to support the failed ideas of p4t. Jeff hates Bush so much he can not be truthful about 9/11. Why does he choose to remain ignorant on 9/11 and align with Balsamo the ultimate terrorist apologist; You can't be a patriot, and support the lies p4t imply.

Undertow? Can he explain the DME resolution and accuracy issues?

Undertow, never produce a single piece of evidence to support the failed ideas of p4t.

Can anyone.
You left out your salesman, .5 second, expert FDR guy.

[Turbofan]

When I see your real name on your research, I'll give you some respect.

Until then, keep hiding behind the keyboard and avoiding PFTs request to
debate and explain all of your questions you keep asking.

See my signature.

[Jonnyclueless]

Oh yes, it's jsut other people not releasing their real names (like you!) that is the reason you show a complete lack of respect for non-crackpots and experts. Right.....

Does anyone else get a kick out of an anonymous poster being critical of other people being anonymous? At least the people that this anonymous turbofan (who is hiding behind a keyboard as he puts it) have a good reason to seeing as Rob has a violent history.

[DavidJames]

Does anyone else get a kick out of an anonymous poster being critical of other people being anonymous? Yes indeed. coming from a pffft waterboy with 15 years of electrical experience who's now an auto tech whose sole goal to expose the U.S. governments complicity in 9/11 is to debate people on JREF, indeed, quite funny.

[beachnut]

When I see your real name on your research, I'll give you some respect.

Until then, keep hiding behind the keyboard and avoiding PFTs request to
debate and explain all of your questions you keep asking.

See my signature.
You can't debate, you lie, saying, "77 did not hit the Pentagon". (where is the evidence? your failed knowledge on FDR?)

Just like your error pushing 64 words per second, then having to be corrected by me; you are still spewing junk. You have nothing that means anything to the FDR information that shows 77 over 6 seconds away from the Pentagon at 400 feet MSL. Over 6 seconds, only 400 feet MSL. Verified by RADAR. What happen to the DME? lol

Your experts are not. They are hate filled people who lack knowledge and rational thought on 9/11 issues. Check it out.

[nicepants]

Here's the list AGAIN:

http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

No one listed there as an FDR expert

Jeff Latas, Dennis Cimino, Undertow are just a few others.

Where are their credentials? You know...the ones you said could be verified?

[Turbofan]

No one listed there as an FDR expert

Where are their credentials? You know...the ones you said could be verified?

Contact them and they'll be able to help you out. You know where to find
them. No sense asking me to do a job that you can do directly. My hourly
rate certainly isn't free.

Here's the address in case you forgot:

pilotsfor911truth.org

[Drudgewire]

Just noticed the tags for this thread.

:dl:

[Jonnyclueless]

Contact them and they'll be able to help you out. You know where to find
them. No sense asking me to do a job that you can do directly. My hourly
rate certainly isn't free.

Here's the address in case you forgot:

pilotsfor911truth.org

You are the one bringing up the argument of how they are experts and how everyone else are just fake experts. So the burden is on you. If you don't want to do the work, then your claim does not hold up and we can safely assume that your claim is false since you are unable to back that claim up with actual evidence.

And your hourly rate is clearly very free as you spend much of your time here making baseless arguments, most of which just simply consist of trying to pretend you have some sort of expertise that you cannot verify and making accusations about other people not having expertise (including the NTSB).

So we're back to square one with the fact that PFT has no members with FDR expertise despite their false claims of it. Funny how it's the groups that tout "truth" that are always being so dishonest.

[16.5]

When I see your real name on your research, I'll give you some respect.


STUNNING EXAMPLE of the ad hominem fallacy, "Turbo Fan." Perhaps the clearest example I have ever seen!

Good job Turbo!

[Turbofan]

Typical run-around BS.

I gave you the expert names. YOU don't like them.

That's YOUR problem. I can t do anything else for you at this point.

If you have questions, and want to know more about them, get a clue and
start researching. DO YOUR OWN WORK for once.

These people are waiting for anyone to go live and nobody wants to take
part.

What's the matter? Are you scared to talk to a crackpot? Are you scared
they will blow your doors off with their conspiracy education?

If I knew someone was a fake, and I had the chance to expose them world
wide, I'd sure as hell go live on radio/TV.

I'm offering. PFT has offered. We're waiting!:cool:

[Turbofan]

STUNNING EXAMPLE of the ad hominem fallacy, "Turbo Fan." Perhaps the clearest example I have ever seen!

Good job Turbo!

Stunning that you only read or post what you want. Do you work for NIST?

My name has already been made public.

I've also offered to debate live with anyone here and give out my real name.

Until your guys start putting up some names, then why should I? I never
claimed to be an expert, but I know a hell of a lot more than anyone here
about FDR.

PFT experts use their real names. Nobody here does.

Ill give you my real name if you go live with me?

Put your money where your mout... I mean FACELESS KEYBOARD IS! LMAO! :cool:

[DavidJames]

Typical run-around BS.

I gave you the expert names. YOU don't like them.

That's YOUR problem. I can t do anything else for you at this point.

If you have questions, and want to know more about them, get a clue and
start researching. DO YOUR OWN WORK for once.

These people are waiting for anyone to go live and nobody wants to take
part.

What's the matter? Are you scared to talk to a crackpot? Are you scared
they will blow your doors off with their conspiracy education?

If I knew someone was a fake, and I had the chance to expose them world
wide, I'd sure as hell go live on radio/TV.

I'm offering. PFT has offered. We're waiting!:cool:Just so we're clear...

You bitch about people here being anonymous, but so are you.
You want people here to do their own work, but you do nothing but carry the water from pffft.

Is that it Auto Tech?

[Jonnyclueless]

Here, I too will provide some expert names:

Jimmy, Bob Fish, Joe Jones, Billy Fitz, Corky Remano.

BTW Turbo, you do realize that no one actually cares what your real name is right? The point being that you look pretty silly accusing other people of being faceless and hiding, when that's all you do.

[Turbofan]

Nope.

I bitch about your "experts" remaining nameless. PFT uses their real names.

See the difference?

Once again, I'll give you my name if ANY of your members care to go
live with me and debate the FDR.

So far, everyone here continues to play on the internet and post crap.
Chicken is what I call them.

I own my own auto shop. That is not my only formal background however.
You just need to read a little bit and figure things out.

[DavidJames]

So far, everyone here continues to play on the internet and post crap. Chicken is what I call them.Now that's funny.

You guys have evidence that the U.S. government is complicit in 9/11 yet all you do is send out press releases and post on the Internet and people here are chicken?

Have you or your friends at pfffft contacted the lawyers or government officials of those currently incarcerated due to 9/11 related charges or possible charges? I'm sure they would love to know you have proof their clients or citizens are innocent.

I've got to believe there are hundreds of lawyers who would gladly take your case, pro bono, for the publicity or because of their patriotic duty. What lawyers have pfffft retained? Which have they contacted and been turned down. Name the bastards that are chicken and refuse to stand up for justice and truth.

[Turbofan]

More circular BS.

Do all of you take turns asking the same questions, over and over and over and over again?

Do a search and you will see this question has been answered.

You can also check the answer of PFT.

[16.5]

Stunning that you only read or post what you want. Do you work for NIST?

PFT experts use their real names. Nobody here does.

Ill give you my real name if you go live with me?

Put your money where your mout... I mean FACELESS KEYBOARD IS! LMAO! :cool:

WOW!!! Laughing Dog here!

You have no idea what an ad hominem fallacy is, do you Turbo?? This is an ad hominem fallacy:

“When I see your real name on your research, I'll give you some respect.”

Let me take you through it, slowly.

An ad hominem fallacy is consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted.

So you are saying that you are not going to address the substance of what is presented because of the character of who is presenting the argument, i.e. the person does not use his real name on a web site. Convenient for cowards like the PFT, wouldn’t you agree?

I am still waiting for the flight path and calcs, Turbo Fan. I don't give a damn what your name is, or where you work. Just show me the freaking math.

[Turbofan]

Hey Laughing dog, what's up?

You seem to have misunderstood my previous post, so let me explain it
ONCE more:

I don't do YOUR work for you. You are asking the WRONG person to
supply the answers you are looking for.

Go to PFT, ask the people involved and THEY will give you the answer.

The experts who give their real names who are waiting for YOU to call up,
or debate them on radio, or PFT.

Capice?

Do I need to bold anytihng, or increase font size for added emphasis?

[Drudgewire]

I am still waiting for the flight path and calcs, Turbo Fan. I don't give a damn what your name is, or where you work. Just show me the freaking math.


It's the shining example of twoofers being more interested in continuing to play silly games rather than finding answers to the questions they're "just asking" when they come here.

They KNOW we're a skeptic's board. They KNOW the whole point of skepticism is to rely only on evidence and leave nothing to faith. Yet they come in here either bereft of evidence or present "evidence" laden with holes big enough to fly an orbiting space beam weapon through.

And then when this is pointed out them they claim it's our pre-conceived biases rather than the fact WE DON'T ACCEPT ANYTHING WE CAN'T VERIFY AS EVIDENCE as proof we're government apologists or disinfo agents or whatever the "duh bunker" party line is this week.

So TF, either present what you have IN FULL so it can be given an honest skeptical evaluation or quit acting like we're the ones dodging anything. It's as pathetic as your stupid, dishonest to the core, dying movement.

[uk_dave]

Turbofan,

You're a salesman pitching a rubbish product.

You come here trying to sell it to people who are pretty damn certain that they don't need it.

Your sales technique sucks.

You want people who don't believe that they need your product to go to your store to find out more about it. But all of your samples up to date have been rubbish and all you have managed to do is piss off your potential customers by insulting them and acting the arrogant fool.

You came here, don't expect anyone here to go anywhere else to find out more about your product.

If you have faith in it, then sell it by making it something people here would want. To do that you have to convince us that your product has the endorsement of people who we are prepared to listen to. That means people from outside of your company and people who actually have a specialism in the field of study.

If you were trying to sell a car that you claimed would do 200mph on one glass of tap water, it wouldn't matter how many paint specialists or upholstery contractors or even engine specialists from your company you put forward. All the youtube videos in the world aint gonna do it either. But what would do it would be independant mechanics with a proven expertise in engine design inspecting and testing your product and then coming out publicly to confirm and endorse your claims.

Go for it tiger!

[16.5]

I don't do YOUR work for you. You are asking the WRONG person to
supply the answers you are looking for.

Go to PFT, ask the people involved and THEY will give you the answer.Capice?

Do I need to bold anytihng, or increase font size for added emphasis?

You see, I am not asking anyone to do my work, I am asking PFT/CIT to show us their work: you know, their flight path and calculations supporting their flight path.

They must have done it, correct? You would not be here spamming the forum unless they had in fact done the necessary work to show that what they claimed happened could actually happen.

[bje]

Do a search and you will see this question has been answered.

You can also check the answer of PFT.

Flat out utter nonsense. You have never yet supplied the flight path over the Pentagon nor have you provided any eyewitness testimony from anyone anywhere in Metro DC claiming to see any twin engine jet flying beyond the Pentagon.

P4T, CIT, and you have been asked dozens of times by dozens of people on many different forums to provide the eyewitness testimony and each time you all refuse and whine. All Ranke does is mumble about a confused witness in the Pentagon parking lot seeing a flyover and he can't provide a single corroborating eyewitness. Neither can any of you,

Either provide the necessary evidence to support your flyover theory necessitated by your claim that AA77 flew a NOC flight path so could not have hit the pentagon or admit that you have no possible way of supporting your claims.

Got that, Turbofan?

[DavidJames]

I don't do YOUR work for you. You are asking the WRONG person to supply the answers you are looking for.

Go to PFT, ask the people involved and THEY will give you the answer.

The experts who give their real names who are waiting for YOU to call up,
or debate them on radio, or PFT.You're their water boy, you've been quite happy parroting their drivel but now when the heats getting a little warm, you can't deliver. You couldn't finish college, you couldn't hack it in the electronics field and now you are failing as a water boy. How sad for you.

[Turbofan]

it's too bad this water boy is schooling your JREF 'pros' on FDR.

Like I said, when you guys can pick up a phone, or decode a raw FDR file,
come and see us.

Until then, keep asking why government released info doesn't support the
OGCT.

Maybe this thread can be 60+ pages of junk like Anti's poor excuse of a
thread. I wonder where he went anyway? Is he scrambling to find
a frame layout so he can keep up? :D;):cool:

[Drudgewire]

Until then, keep asking why government released info doesn't support the OGCT.

Better yet, how about someone mention it if and when you finally provide what you've claimed to have and people have been asking for in two different threads for days now.

Because until then, I've read my last Turbofan post. Welcome to ignore.

[Turbofan]

Thanks, that's one less person I have to repeat myself to.

Sorry you all don't understand the flight data, and you'd rather listen to
faceless cowards who don't have the documents to decode a raw file,
or understand the FDR.

We've already shown the plane is too high and off course.

Believe what you want. It's obvious most people here would rather
jump on the bandwagon than pick up a phone, or contact those who
know better.

I'm happy I'm siding with a team of pros with experience rather than
a message board full of opinions and twisted fact.

Can anyone help Anti out with the frame layout? I think he's gone on
vacation trying to find answers. :cool:

[DavidJames]

Goodbye waterboy. Report back when you stop being complicit in the cover up of 9/11 by failing to honestly seek justice. If you are correct, you are part of the reason the real criminals remain free.

[beachnut]

... faceless cowards who don't have the documents to decode a raw file,
or understand the FDR.

We've already shown the plane is too high and off course.
...
I'm happy I'm siding with a team of pros with experience rather than
a message board full of opinions and twisted fact. :cool:
Balsamo taught you insults well, he is the ugly face of implied lies you freely spew. Your lie, “77 did not hit the Pentagon”. Your facts and evidence!? NIL

You have not shown where the plane is, let alone your failed claims.

You are siding with Balsamo the terrorist apologist, he has no real abilities to solve 9/11, he is selling implications of lies, 15 bucks a DVD.

If you had something, there is a thing called the Pulitzer Prize, you would have it. But you lack knowledge on many things required to form rational thoughts on 9/11.

Why do you lie, we are not faceless!? Why can't you get something right, and where is your evidence you failed to produce? dog ate it?

[funk de fino]

Why do you keep asking for the same information that I gave you in other
threads?

Here's the list AGAIN:

http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

Jeff Latas, Dennis Cimino, Undertow are just a few others.

Undertow will not reveal his name at this time due to career threats.
He can however answer any of your questions about the FDR. He
met with ARINC reps and has all of the resources required to read
the raw data. If you want specifics, you know where to find him.

Sorry none of those members seem to have my experience with FDR. Care to name one who does?

[Bobert]

I'm happy I'm siding with a team of pros with experience rather than
a message board full of opinions and twisted fact.


OH MAN!
Where is that laughing dog when you need him?

[Drudgewire]

OH MAN!
Where is that laughing dog when you need him?


He was standing too close to the irony meter. It'll be a long time before he's able to laugh again. :(

[beachnut]

it's too bad this water boy is schooling your JREF 'pros' on FDR.

Like I said, when you guys can pick up a phone, or decode a raw FDR file,
come and see us.

Until then, keep asking why government released info doesn't support the
OGCT.

Maybe this thread can be 60+ pages of junk like Anti's poor excuse of a
thread. I wonder where he went anyway? Is he scrambling to find
a frame layout so he can keep up? :D;):cool:
If you had evidence. Where did you loose your evidence to support your post of junk. Sorry, the NTSB decoded the FDR, it shows 77 over 6 seconds from the Pentagon when the terrorist turned off the FDR, or it stopped due to reason you can't figure out.

You can't understand the data so you need a new investigation, but you would not understand the results, you are unable to correct math errors by your terrorist apologist leader, but you repeat his implied lies as your own. You are not quick to pick up on errors, i.e. 64 w/s. And over all you just talk and make mistakes.

You failed on this thread, just tell us you can’t get real experts to support your lie of 77 not hitting the Pentagon, instead of talking about junk. You are the one who is telling a lie, you need to debunk all the DNA, and aircraft parts, RADAR data, FDR data, and witnesses who saw 77 hit lampposts and impact the Pentagon.

You are behind 7 years, at least you movement has never had evidence, you are not different you are the same as all 9/11 truth, fact less, and evidence free. You can’t even place 77 at a location of for time stamp 13:37:44. Why? No real clue how to, no real ability to understand the FDR information.