Obama Fellatio, Biden False Arrest

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Interesting that the man holding a press conference at the National Press Club claiming participation in the act of fellatio with Obama was falsely arrested by the son of the man named Vice-Presidential candidate.


Charges have been dropped against Larry Sinclair. No evidence of a crime.

Interesting that the Attorney General of Delaware, Biden's son, would ask Washington D.C. police to arrest Larry Sinclair and extradite him to Delaware for a crime that has no evidence.



CHANGE you can BELIEVE in.

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[Sword_Of_Truth]

Interesting that the man holding a press conference at the National Press Club claiming participation in the act of fellatio with Obama was falsely arrested by the son of the man named Vice-Presidential candidate.


Charges have been dropped against Larry Sinclair. No evidence of a crime.

Interesting that the Attorney General of Delaware, Biden's son, would ask Washington D.C. police to arrest Larry Sinclair and extradite him to Delaware for a crime that has no evidence.



CHANGE you can BELIEVE in.

:irule:13:

I'm sorry... can you explain that again, slowly, with details and supporting links?

ETA: I'm no fan of Obama, but I'm fairly certain that he is innocent of whatever you're accusing him of.

ETA2: Yes, I know what fellatio is... I'm just not seeing what the point is or what exactly the crime is.

[chipmunk stew]

I'm sorry... can you explain that again, slowly, with details and supporting links?
Here's a caution sign for the road up ahead:
:hb:

Fair warning.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Here's a caution sign for the road up ahead:
:hb:

Fair warning.

I already know Jeromes reputation.

I'm just curious to know exactly what this is before I ignore it.

[leftysergeant]

Larry Sinclair is a low-life and his misadventures have no bearing on Obama's ability to lead the country in a rational manner.

[corplinx]

Interesting that the man holding a press conference at the National Press Club claiming participation in the act of fellatio with Obama was falsely arrested by the son of the man named Vice-Presidential candidate.


Charges have been dropped against Larry Sinclair. No evidence of a crime.

Interesting that the Attorney General of Delaware, Biden's son, would ask Washington D.C. police to arrest Larry Sinclair and extradite him to Delaware for a crime that has no evidence.



CHANGE you can BELIEVE in.

:irule:13:

Obama is a black guy and Palin is a woman. How do you even begin to figure who you would vote for if you bothered to vote?

[JEROME DA GNOME]

I'm sorry... can you explain that again, slowly, with details and supporting links


Below is the press conference at the National Press Club in Washington D.C.

Obama is accused of using cocaine and engaging in fellatio.

Sinclair was arrested on a warrant issued by Biden's son, the Attorney General of Delaware, immediately after the press conference.

All charges have been dropped by the State of Delaware due to lack of evidence.

After Sinclair's arrest Biden was named Vice-Presidential candidate by Obama.


Follow the links for the entire press conference.
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[Sword_Of_Truth]

Obama is a black guy and Palin is a woman. How do you even begin to figure who you would vote for if you bothered to vote?

He'll be voting for the black guy, the woman was endorsed by a jew.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Larry Sinclair is a low-life and his misadventures have no bearing on Obama's ability to lead the country in a rational manner.

You do not care if Obama has a current cocaine addiction?

Obama has already admitted to using cocaine in the past to deal with his hardships.


:irule:13:

[Ausmerican]

Wow! Cocaine and fellatio! He really IS a rockstar! Definately voting for hime now!

[dirtywick]

Larry Sinclair is a habitual liar, basically.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

You do not care if Obama has a current cocaine addiction?

Yes I do. But no, he doesn't.

Obama has already admitted to using cocaine in the past to deal with his hardships.

Political candidate only human, reported to have done stupid things as a youth, film at 11.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Yes I do. But no, he doesn't.

Based on what evidence do you state that he does not have a current addiction?

The fact that he is having his accuser falsely arrested...

[Upchurch]

I'm just curious to know exactly what this is before I ignore it.
Same ol' same ol'. All claims, no evidence.

[Sefarst]

Is Larry Sinclair a personal friends of yours, Jerome? You disappear for long periods of time and then only show up again to report on the latest from him.

Why the obsession with the guy?

PS: I think you're a lunatic.

Please keep in mind the Membership Agreement and do not use personal attacks to argue your point.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Larry Sinclair is a habitual liar, basically.

Then why did Biden have him falsely arrested?

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Same ol' same ol'. All claims, no evidence.

Larry Sinclair was falsely arrested by Biden's son at the press conference in which he details the current Obama cocaine abuse.


Obama hiding from the truth once again.


BELIEVE in CHANGE!!!

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Based on what evidence do you state that he does not have a current addiction?

The fact that he is having his accuser falsely arrested...

Have you turned on a TV or read a newspaper at all in the last 18 months?

The republicans (and half the democrats) would be all over it like hot-pants on a Hooters™ girl if there was even a whiff of possible scandal of this scale.

[dirtywick]

Then why did Biden have him falsely arrested?

I guess for a gay crack sex orgy with Obama :con2:

Or, you know, not.

[chipmunk stew]

I'm sorry...did Jerome just use the term the truth, in reference to these accusations?

:dl:

[Upchurch]

in which he details the current Obama cocaine abuse.
with no evidence.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

with no evidence.

This is where you show evidence of your lack of knowledge concerning this circumstance.

[Nogbad]

I'm sorry...did Jerome just use the term the truth, in reference to these accusations?

:dl:

He lives in hope :)

[Upchurch]

This is where you show evidence of your lack of knowledge concerning this circumstance.
Oh, then you can provide evidence of Sinclair's claims?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Ok, I watched the stupid video and two thoughts come to mind:

1. If Obama were indeed gay... he could do better. :p

2. This is such obvious BS that the only people who could get hurt by it are the republicans. They'll get blamed for it. Though I see no reason to believe that Mr (Miss?) Sinclair isn't just a single attention whore working alone.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Why did Biden have Sinclair falsely arrested?

:irule:13:

[mortimer]

Why did Biden have Sinclair falsely arrested?

:irule:13:
Obviously gay cocaine sex is the only possible answer. :rolleyes:

[Upchurch]

Why did Biden have Sinclair falsely arrested?
Evidence? of this or Sinclair's original claims? of anything, really?

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Obviously gay cocaine sex is the only possible answer. :rolleyes:

Why did Obama have Sinclair falsely arrested?


Do you really want a President that will use minions to arrest detractors sans evidence of a crime?



Are you not getting it?

If everything Sinclair states is fake, Obama still falsely arrested a citizen because said citizen made him uncomfortable.

:gnome:

[Upchurch]

So, this is a CT thread, is it?

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Evidence? of this or Sinclair's original claims? of anything, really?


Sinclair was arrested without any evidence by Biden.


Sorry, you fail at protecting the Savior.





Are you really going to vote for a man that would have a detractor falsely arrested?



Anyone that would vote for a man that falsely arrests detractors is a fool and deserves...





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[JEROME DA GNOME]

So, this is a CT thread, is it?

Reported. Off-topic attempt to derail.

Embarrassing for a moderator to do such, don't you think?

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

Are you really going to vote for a man that would have a detractor falsely arrested?

Yes; and now that I know he's had gay cocaine sex with Larry Sinclair I think I'll vote for him twice.

[Upchurch]

Off-topic attempt to derail.
Not at all. I'm trying to ascertain whether you have any evidence to support this conspiracy or if it is just a conspiracy theory.

What do you think this is?

[Skepticintraining]

Hi everyone, I'm mostly new.

Jerome: When people ask for evidence you cannot say "Why did he have him arrested" as if it is evidence because we don't know he was arrested and if he was, we don't know why.

You have to provide evidence of the arrest and then, to tie it to Obama, you need to provide evidence of what the charges were (or perhaps evidence of an absence of charges).

Even if he was arrested, he might have been arrested legitimately, based on a real crime in Delaware, and then legitimately released. It happens.

[Upchurch]

Hi everyone, I'm mostly new.
And yet, you nailed it completely. Well done.

and welcome. :D

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Hi everyone, I'm mostly new.

Jerome: When people ask for evidence you cannot say "Why did he have him arrested" as if it is evidence because we don't know he was arrested and if he was, we don't know why.

You have to provide evidence of the arrest and then, to tie it to Obama, you need to provide evidence of what the charges were (or perhaps evidence of an absence of charges).

Even if he was arrested, he might have been arrested legitimately, based on a real crime in Delaware, and then legitimately released. It happens.



Hello!!!


This forum knows that he was arrested!!!

His arrest is why the Obama supporters on this forum stated that Sinclair was not credible in his accusations.


He was extradited!!!

States do not request an arrest in another jurisdiction and request extradition only to dismiss the case due to lack of evidence.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Not at all. I'm trying to ascertain whether you have any evidence to support this conspiracy or if it is just a conspiracy theory.


You are a fraud.


You know full well that Biden had Sinclair arrested.


Presenting that you do not know these facts shows that you are a fake.



By the way, your post was reported for being an off-topic attempt to derail the thread.



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[Sefarst]

Why did Biden have Sinclair falsely arrested?

:irule:13:
You've yet to prove that Biden had Sinclair falsely arrested.

[Skepticintraining]

Hello!!!
Hey there.


This forum knows that he was arrested!!!

Well, I haven't been here very long. Could you point me towards the evidence of the arrest?

[Upchurch]

You are a fraud.


You know full well that Biden had Sinclair arrested.
Yes, I know he was arrested. I don't know that he was falsely arrested.

I certainly don't know that Sinclair's original claim was even remotely true.

By the way, your post was reported for being an off-topic attempt to derail the thread.
You don't have to tell me. I get an automatic notification.

[gdnp]

IIRC, Sinclair was arrested based on bloggers reporting him to the DC police because he had an outstanding warrant in Delaware. He was extradited to Delaware where he was then released, because it seems he had never answered the warrant because the summonses were delivered to the wrong addresses. No evidence was ever presented in the previous thread that Obama or anyone with anything to do with his campaign had anything to do with the arrest.

I would dig up a link to the old thread, but it's not worth my time.

I'd say believing Sinclair's story shows about as much judgment as believing pro wrestling.

[Gagglegnash]

Hi

Obama is a black guy and Palin is a woman. How do you even begin to figure who you would vote for if you bothered to vote?


Well...

http://sites.google.com/site/gagglegnash/_/rsrc/1220916122308/what-me-done/ForWhomToVote.jpg

Seems straight-forward to me.

ALERT: This has been a JOKE. If you found it funny, no further explanation is necessary. If you did NOT find it funny, no further explanation is possible.

[Mercutio]

Why did Obama have Sinclair falsely arrested?


A couple of years ago, I was falsely arrested. Could you tell me why McCain did that?

[SezMe]

You are a fraud.
I'd report you, GNOME, but you're just back and have already given me my chuckle of the day in this thread. If you go back on suspension, my days would be gloomy. But, were I you, I'd review the MA and behave like the teacher's pet for a while.

[Upchurch]

If you go back on suspension, my days would be gloomy. But, were I you, I'd review the MA and behave like the teacher's pet for a while.
I don't think JdG gets another suspension. It'll be the big "B".

So, how about we all play nice and enjoy it while it lasts?*




* just my own personal opinion. not saying anything official.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Hello!!!


This forum knows that he was arrested!!!

His arrest is why the Obama supporters on this forum stated that Sinclair was not credible in his accusations.

Lie more, please Jerome.

I already said I am not an Obama supporter and that I think your little tale is BS.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

ALERT: This has been a JOKE. If you found it funny, no further explanation is necessary. If you did NOT find it funny, no further explanation is possible.

And what if I'm printing it off and pinning it to my wall? ;)

[Gagglegnash]

Hi

And what if I'm printing it off and pinning it to my wall? ;)


I suppose that's Ok, too....

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Well, I haven't been here very long. Could you point me towards the evidence of the arrest?


Larry Sinclair Press Conference: Sinclair Arrested, Led Away in Handcuffs (http://www.bloggernews.net/116292)

Larry Sinclair–the gay man who’s accused Senator Barack Obama of sharing gay sex and drugs with him in a Gurnee, IL hotel room in 1999–held a press conference at the National Press Club today.


Sinclair was arrested by DC Police after 2 US Marshals showed up and presented a warrant from the State of Delaware for Sinclair’s arrest.


Keep in mind that Delaware dropped the unknown charges just a week ago due to lack of evidence.

Now, why would Biden issue a warrant and request extradition for a crime that has no evidence to present before a judge?

FYI: This arrest happened before Biden was chosen as the running mate.

:gnome:

[JEROME DA GNOME]

A couple of years ago, I was falsely arrested. Could you tell me why McCain did that?

Unless you were accusing Palin of something, no.

See?

Biden falsely arrests Sinclair and Biden is given the Vice-Presidential nomination.


Do you really want a President that make choices based upon what others can do for him personally?


Obama could have been a man and overtly stated that Sinclair was FOS, but this is not what he did.

Obama had a minion issue false charges.

Obama is a loser of the first degree.

:gnome:

[Upchurch]

Sometimes I wonder if people really believe this stuff. But, if they don't, why do they repeat this kind of garbage?

Jerome, is there a reason you find Sinclair to be credible? Is it just that he confirms your own baises?

[WildCat]

without any evidence
Sums up this whole thread.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Sometimes I wonder if people really believe this stuff. But, if they don't, why do they repeat this kind of garbage?

Jerome, is there a reason you find Sinclair to be credible? Is it just that he confirms your own baises?

You have not been paying attention. This thread has little to do with Sinclair's credibility.


The concern is Obama selecting Biden based upon Biden falsely arresting a detractor.



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[davefoc]

JEROME DA GNOME,
What is the purpose of this thread in your mind? Do you think you are going to convince any regular JREF forum participant either pro or anti Obama that Larry Sinclair was credible?

Larry Sinclair has a long rap sheet that includes a 16 year jail sentence for forgery and is generally a thoroughly non-credible individual.

Is it possible that Obama had sex with him? Of course. In this world certainty is at best elusive and it is difficult to be certain of anything. But for practical purposes is there a significant chance that any of the guys charges are true? No.

The Larry Sinclair story would have died almost instantly if truth or plausibility was a requirment for a story. It isn't. In this case all that was required was that some people thought it offered an opportunity for political gain and so they pushed the story. A story doesn't need to be credible for these people, the only thing that is important is whether pumping the story will help their guy. And in this case, their calculation was that a completely unfounded accusation against Obama still had value as political propaganda. There were going to be some people who heard this story who wouldn't vote for Obama, regardless of the fact that with only the tiniest research one could easily determine that the story was non-sense.

The story was so unlikely to be true that no national media including fox news, Hannity, Limbaugh or any other national pundit has followed up on it. But that hasn't stopped people on the internet with of control confirmation bias againt their guy's opponent from running with it.

The problem for you is the audience at JREF. I suspect that there is not one regular participant here, including the pro and anti Obama folks that are likely to find the slightest element of truth in this non-sense. You are just spinning your wheels here. But you might check out the Clintons4McCain forum. There you will find a ready audience for anything anti-Obama, no truth or plausibility required.

[BenBurch]

Even more interesting than Sinclair is his lawyer - who wears only kilts because he says he is much, much too well endowed to wear pants!

:dl:

[JEROME DA GNOME]

JEROME DA GNOME,
What is the purpose of this thread in your mind? Do you think you are going to convince any regular JREF forum participant either pro or anti Obama that Larry Sinclair was credible?


I understand your desire to change the subject of the thread, but unfortunately this thread is not about Larry Sinclair.


The topic is:

The concern is Obama selecting Biden based upon Biden falsely arresting a detractor.


Sorry for shouting but it seems that few can stay on topic.

:irule:13:

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Even more interesting than Sinclair is his lawyer - who wears only kilts because he says he is much, much too well endowed to wear pants!




Again:

The topic is:

The concern is Obama selecting Biden based upon Biden falsely arresting a detractor.


:irule:13:

[SezMe]

This thread has little to do with Sinclair's credibility.
But it has everything to do with yours. Which is zero. Or maybe less.

[BenBurch]

But it has everything to do with yours. Which is zero. Or maybe less.

Be careful, he alerts on everything.

[BenBurch]

Again:

The topic is:

The concern is Obama selecting Biden based upon Biden falsely arresting a detractor.


:irule:13:

Well, that is what I was addressing! Your allegation is as without proof as the endowment of said barrister.

[Shalamar]

Again:


The concern is Obama selecting Biden based upon Biden falsely arresting a detractor.


So.. What is the evidence that Biden arrested Sinclair?

[JEROME DA GNOME]

So.. What is the evidence that Biden arrested Sinclair?

Biden is the Attorney General of Delaware.


Do you read the papers?

:irule:13:

[Shalamar]

Biden is the Attorney General of Delaware.


Do you read the papers?

I did. Dismissed it as irrelevant.

So Bidens son is the AG of Delaware. What was the official reason of the warrant? When did Biden arrest Sinclair? What is Sinclairs evidence that the arrest was false?

It has been pointed out that Sinclair was arrested due to an outstabding warrant, and the arrest was rescinded when it was determined that the warrant was delivered to the wrong address.

Also appears to be a glut of Conservatives who believe Sinclairs claims without evidence... Including the claim that the arrest was false.

I'll await credible evidence.

[Skepticintraining]

Biden is the Attorney General of Delaware.

Are we to assume that the AG of every state is personally involved in every arrest the police make? Is it possible this is just a coincidence? Are we even sure Obama was aware of the connection between Biden, Biden's son, and the arrest of this detractor before selecting a running mate or even now?

I'm not saying it isn't possible Obama selected Biden because of this, but why don't you see how many numerous connections need to be made before there is any legitimacy to this theory?

And if this Sinclair dude was arrested and then released again quickly and largely without incident, are you suggesting that Obama selected a running mate based on personal favors in the forms of abuse of power, even though they were completely ineffective? If Obama were really up to something, shouldn't this Sinclair guy be in solitary by now?

[fishbob]

Are we to assume that the AG of every state is personally involved in every arrest the police make? Is it possible this is just a coincidence? . . .

Coincidence? Possible in many states, but please recall that Delaware is only about this [ ] big.

(As an Alaskan I have to say that or face a moose rifle reprisal from the gubnor.)

[Megalodon]

Hi Jerome...

Why are you so obsessed with Obama? You know that after the convention Hillary will be the nominee! You even have a bet on it with Tricky...

Oh, wait...

[Undesired Walrus]

Has Sinclair told the world whether Obama is circumcised or not?

[Upchurch]

So, Jerome, your working conspiracy theory is that Obama took extrodinary measures to silence a critic who no one believes anyway and is pretty much a laughing stock. Does that pretty much sum it up?

Do you really not understand why Sinclair's crediblity is relevant to this thread?

[Uzzy]

Remember people, Jerome has Regeneration 5, so he is a difficult foe to beat. But luckily, he takes normal damage from both fire and acid based attacks. So use that against him!

[BenBurch]

Remember people, Jerome has Regeneration 5, so he is a difficult foe to beat. But luckily, he takes normal damage from both fire and acid based attacks. So use that against him!

I have a wand of dragon's breath with two charges left! And a helm of resist poison [+5] (+2)!

(Extra points if you know what game I refer to.)

[Uzzy]

Good old Diablo. Though, Jerome's proving harder to kill then some of the end bosses in that game on Hell mode.

[gdnp]

Jerome, you keep claiming that Biden arrested Sinclair and was rewarded with the VP nomination. Yet the last I heard Joe Biden was a senator and the Delaware AG was his son. Are you asserting the two are the same person, in a God-Jesus sort of way? Because I would hate to vote against God, even if he is only the VP candidate. :D

[Upchurch]

Jerome, you keep claiming that Biden arrested Sinclair and was rewarded with the VP nomination. Yet the last I heard Joe Biden was a senator and the Delaware AG was his son.
No, he's claiming that the younger Biden did Obama a favor and Obama is returning that favor via the elder Biden.

Never mind that this all happened before Obama cinched the nomination and that Jerome was also claiming that Clinton would ultimately get the nomination in a coup at the convention.

[BenBurch]

Good old Diablo. Though, Jerome's proving harder to kill then some of the end bosses in that game on Hell mode.

Nope! Angband! http://thangorodrim.net/ (It's free!)

[Uzzy]

In my defence I could have said anyone one of D&D, WoW, Diablo or practically any other game of that genre and it'd have those items. :)

[gdnp]

No, he's claiming that the younger Biden did Obama a favor and Obama is returning that favor via the elder Biden.

Then why did he say

The concern is Obama selecting Biden based upon Biden falsely arresting a detractor.

Jerome, do you think we are psychic and able to distinguish between two different people with the same last name used in the same sentence?

If I were to say "Jerome always backs up his well thought out assertions with evidence" I might confuse people if I did not explain that I was referring to Jerome (http://forums.randi.org/member.php?u=19316)not Jerome (http://forums.randi.org/member.php?u=20270). :D

[mortimer]

Again:

The topic is:

The concern is Obama selecting Biden based upon Biden falsely arresting a detractor.


:irule:13:
Evidence that AG Biden issued, or otherwise had anything to do with issuing, the arrest warrant?

[davefoc]

Hi Jerome,
I think the difficulty with your claim for many of us is that it seems so unlikely to be true that there is a sense that either you have allowed your confirmation biases to cloud your thinking or that you realize that it is an almost certainly false story that you are putting forth to unfairly slander Obama.

Frankly, I haven't examined in detail the possibility that Joseph Biden's son used the power of his office in an attempt to benefit Obama. So far it seems that you haven't either. I haven't seen time lines from you about the events. I haven't seen a discussion of what he was charged with and how Biden's son was involved in trumping up those charges. I haven't seen any discussion from you about the routinely accepted story on this that it was bloggers that alerted the authorities about the outstanding warrants against Sinclair.

I propose this to you. If you can get even one person besides yourself that participates in the JREF forum to see your claim as something that has even a small but significant chance of being true then I'll get interested enough to examine the issue. There are a half dozen people or so that participate in the JREF forum that have strongly partisan pro-Republican views. Perhaps you could run your theory by some of them and see if they find any of it credible?

[ZenFountain]

To my knowledge Larry Sinclair is still wanted in Colorado on a count of forgery. Jerome has an pestiferous fascination with stirring the pot, all I've observed him do since I became a member here.

[SezMe]

I'm having an internal contest to see which gives me the biggest chuckle: 1) JDG, or 2) JREFers asking JDG a reasonable question and expecting a reasonable response.

[BenBurch]

I'm having an internal contest to see which gives me the biggest chuckle: 1) JDG, or 2) JREFers asking JDG a reasonable question and expecting a reasonable response.

Meanwhile, I just killed a Forest Wight and got a ring of Resist Poison.

Woo Hoo!

[Wangler]

I can't believe that this guy got any press coverage at all...what a joke!

[BenBurch]

Meanwhile, I just killed a Forest Wight and got a ring of Resist Poison.

Woo Hoo!

Crap! It was CURSED.

[leftysergeant]

Now, why would Biden issue a warrant and request extradition for a crime that has no evidence to present before a judge?

The warrant existed. Whether or not there was merit to the case is not relevant to the fact that Sinclair had not dispoised of the case in a proper manner. (What a surprise that a known low-life would not answer a warrant.) It is comon sense that you do not make a public nuisance of yourself when you are already dirty. Having him arreested actually served justice, because it showed the public what sort of creep that gay guy accusing Obama of playing around was.

He should also be a little more careful about who he picks as a lawyer. If you want to raise a stink in public, it is probably not too good an idea to choose a lawyer who has been declared a vexatious litigant. It reflects on his competency, and, indirectly, on your own judgement.

Sinclair is not a victim in any of this, nor is anyone acting in a manner contrary to the public interest in subjecting him to the justice system. If anything, public well-being is enhanced because people will know to treat him like the swine he is, thwarting any further attempts on hios part to swindle people.

FYI: This arrest happened before Biden was chosen as the running mate.

You are arguing post hoc ergo propter hoc. You ignore the fact that Biden is one bright dude and experienced in areas in which Obama has little hands-on experience. He was the most logical choice and people had been saying so for weeks. You are grasping at straws.

[Upchurch]

He should also be a little more careful about who he picks as a lawyer. If you want to raise a stink in public, it is probably not too good an idea to choose a lawyer who has been declared a vexatious litigant.
...and has a suspended license. Don't forget that.

[dudalb]

Hi Jerome,
I think the difficulty with your claim for many of us is that it seems so unlikely to be true that there is a sense that either you have allowed your confirmation biases to cloud your thinking or that you realize that it is an almost certainly false story that you are putting forth to unfairly slander Obama.

Frankly, I haven't examined in detail the possibility that Joseph Biden's son used the power of his office in an attempt to benefit Obama. So far it seems that you haven't either. I haven't seen time lines from you about the events. I haven't seen a discussion of what he was charged with and how Biden's son was involved in trumping up those charges. I haven't seen any discussion from you about the routinely accepted story on this that it was bloggers that alerted the authorities about the outstanding warrants against Sinclair.

I propose this to you. If you can get even one person besides yourself that participates in the JREF forum to see your claim as something that has even a small but significant chance of being true then I'll get interested enough to examine the issue. There are a half dozen people or so that participate in the JREF forum that have strongly partisan pro-Republican views. Perhaps you could run your theory by some of them and see if they find any of it credible?

Don't waste your time. Logic and common sense just don;t work with Jerome.
And probably won't be around that much longer anyway.

[dudalb]

I'm having an internal contest to see which gives me the biggest chuckle: 1) JDG, or 2) JREFers asking JDG a reasonable question and expecting a reasonable response.


I have to agree. I am not at all surprised at Jerome's antics...it's what we hve come to expect...but I surprised that so many JREF's still try to engage him in an intelligent discussion. I just come to his threads to have a laugh and poke fun at him, frankly.

[fuelair]

Hi everyone, I'm mostly new.

Jerome: When people ask for evidence you cannot say "Why did he have him arrested" as if it is evidence because we don't know he was arrested and if he was, we don't know why.

You have to provide evidence of the arrest and then, to tie it to Obama, you need to provide evidence of what the charges were (or perhaps evidence of an absence of charges).

Even if he was arrested, he might have been arrested legitimately, based on a real crime in Delaware, and then legitimately released. It happens.I just ran a check - the temperature of hell has not changed. I fear you will get no cites from JdeG this year.

[Tricky]

I don't think JdG gets another suspension. It'll be the big "B".

So, how about we all play nice and enjoy it while it lasts?*




* just my own personal opinion. not saying anything official.
Oh gosh, I hope not. He still hasn't installed the new avatar I sent him that he has to wear for a week.
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/28248d7c78151e94.jpg

[BenBurch]

Oh gosh, I hope not. He still hasn't installed the new avatar I sent him that he has to wear for a week.
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/28248d7c78151e94.jpg

Well, once he has earned his rest, you should just change the Avatar in the database for a week yourself.

[Tricky]

Well, once he has earned his rest, you should just change the Avatar in the database for a week yourself.
I'm just a dictator. I don't have Mod-like powers.

[joobz]

Oh gosh, I hope not. He still hasn't installed the new avatar I sent him that he has to wear for a week.
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/28248d7c78151e94.jpg
Do you have a link to the offending thread?

[Tricky]

Do you have a link to the offending thread?
Here's the thread where the bet was made. (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=4061357#post4061357)

[joobz]

Here's the thread where the bet was made. (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=4061357#post4061357)
Oh, I remember that now.
thanks!

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Biden having Sinclair extradited, without evidence, from another State, and then receiving the nomination.


Just a coincidence.


:mgduh

[gdnp]

Biden having Sinclair extradited, without evidence, from another State, and then receiving the nomination.


Just a coincidence.



There was evidence, and there was an outstanding warrant based on a grand jury indictment. AG Biden did not receive the nomination, his father Senator Biden did. Are there any other factual errors you need me to clear up?

[SezMe]

Are there any other factual errors you need me to clear up?
Speaking as an observer, there is one. Could you give our good friend JDG a hand on the flat/round Earth controversy that is sweeping the nation? Thanks.

[Upchurch]

Are there any other factual errors you need me to clear up?
Yeah, could you explain how, at the time Sinclair was arrested, Obama had not yet clinched the Democratic nomination? Therefore, Obama was not in a position to definitively offer Biden (Jr. or Sr.) anything.

Also, you might clear up for me how Sinclair was any sort of threat to Obama's campaign since he was, in no way, credible and is widely considered to be nothing but a joke by Democrats and Republicans?

[BenBurch]

Yeah, could you explain how, at the time Sinclair was arrested, Obama had not yet clinched the Democratic nomination? Therefore, Obama was not in a position to definitively offer Biden (Jr. or Sr.) anything.

Also, you might clear up for me how Sinclair was any sort of threat to Obama's campaign since he was, in no way, credible and is widely considered to be nothing but a joke by Democrats and Republicans?

Indeed the move to arrest him seems to have come out of DU and was payback for Sinclair filing frivolous libel suits against several DUers for calling him a nutbar. And there was an actual warrant, that was not invented by anybody. And there still is one in Colorado, except that Colorado will not go through the expense of an extradition for a fairly minor offense like the one he is charged with. Instead they will wait for him to set foot in the state and move then.

[davefoc]

...
Also, you might clear up for me how Sinclair was any sort of threat to Obama's campaign since he was, in no way, credible and is widely considered to be nothing but a joke by Democrats and Republicans?

I think you have spent too long in the land of the sane upchurch. Over at Clintons4McCain this story was big time stuff. I suspect other hyper anti-Obama sites made use of the story, also.

The fact seems to be that each candidate will suffer from various unfair and unfounded charges. In net, false charges that get a little publicity do harm. So Jerome's theory, I suspect, is that even though the charge in this case was not credible to most people Obama was still so worried about it that he made a quid pro quo deal with Biden's son to select his dad as VP to reduce in a tiny way the impact of the story.

Of course, Jerome's theory is wildly unlikely to be correct given the timing and the circumstances. But then Jerome has not provided any evidence to support his theory either. So the perfect storm of improbability compounded by a complete lack of evidence. But you do know that Obama is a Muslim right?

[Gurdur]

.... Of course, Jerome's theory is wildly unlikely to be correct .....


Massive redundancy in that.

[gdnp]

The fact seems to be that each candidate will suffer from various unfair and unfounded charges. In net, false charges that get a little publicity do harm. So Jerome's theory, I suspect, is that even though the charge in this case was not credible to most people Obama was still so worried about it that he made a quid pro quo deal with Biden's son to select his dad as VP to reduce in a tiny way the impact of the story.

The conspiracy theory is particularly untenable because

1) the arrest did not stop Sinclair from speaking and
2) it only increased the publicity about his press conference, which otherwise would have been barely noticed.